The Crimewatch Years 1992 Murders

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  • Опубликовано: 15 дек 2024

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  • @johnrollins8346
    @johnrollins8346 5 лет назад +88

    They don't make tv like this anymore. No dumbing down or gimmicks, treating the viewers like intelligent people.

    • @bigchris80
      @bigchris80 9 месяцев назад +1

      Far from the days of the Nicola bulley case!

  • @PC-lu3zf
    @PC-lu3zf 5 лет назад +45

    Ronald Castree was the real killer of Lesley it took another 14 years to get the evil bastard least her Mother saw him convicted.

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +5

      Evil bastard is being kind. Absolute wanker is being nice. What sort of warped mind does that to any human being let alone a defenceless little girl.

    • @ifaiful
      @ifaiful 3 года назад +1

      Let’s not forget how police and bunch of girls lied to fit up Stephan shishco fir a crime ge didn’t commit.

  • @Paul-mq5yn
    @Paul-mq5yn 3 года назад +37

    Sad story about poor old Kiszko - spent 16 years in prison for Lesleys murder and was taunted and attacked on multiple occasions. He suffered mental illness as a result and died of a heart attack not long after his eventual release in 1992, 4 months after that his mother died. Poor people, all involved

    • @johnpaterson6741
      @johnpaterson6741 3 года назад +14

      The stuff nightmares are made of.

    • @mickykedian7753
      @mickykedian7753 2 года назад +1

      And Detective Superintendent Dick Holland escaped punishment despite being charged with perverting the course of justice for suppressing the evidence (semen samples from Kiszko) that would exonerate him…..all that for an easy conviction. RIP Stefan and Lesley RIH Dick Holland and Ronald Castree

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 2 года назад +1

      the police were disgraceful in Stefan Kiskos they had seen samples , Stefan couldn't produce semen lazy shoddy policewoman.

    • @stephenholmes1036
      @stephenholmes1036 2 года назад +11

      shoddy policework

    • @anthonymcken6050
      @anthonymcken6050 Год назад +5

      ​@@stephenholmes1036no corrupt policing and outright discrimination of the man's mental age.

  • @MJ-bb8op
    @MJ-bb8op Год назад +15

    The 4 teenage girls that lied about the local 'weirdo' (Kiszko) in the Lesley Molseed case admitted they made it up for a laugh. None of them even apologised. So at the very least they committed perjury which carries a sentence of max 2 years. Why did these girls just get away with saying yeah we made it up for a laugh? 16 years in prison because someone made up lies just for fun? What happened to Lesley Molseed(RIP) is disgusting but the 'lies' told by these girls literally pulled the police off the scent of the real killer.

    • @davidoconnell4100
      @davidoconnell4100 9 месяцев назад

      The cops fitted up an easy confession as was common at the time. They are the bastards.

    • @Yesman10
      @Yesman10 4 месяца назад

      Bellends

  • @raydoug7367
    @raydoug7367 5 лет назад +38

    If you are watching this at night remember don't have nightmares do sleep well 😂

    • @jwithington9347
      @jwithington9347 5 лет назад +10

      They always said that after making it sound as scary as possible

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад +6

      im 6ft 20 stone and a right handfull. I leave my windows open at night for fresh air. if someone got into my yard when i was asleep. God help them.

    • @treasurehunteruk9718
      @treasurehunteruk9718 Год назад +2

      I actually did have a scary dream a few nights ago, and I put it down to watching these before going to bed.

  • @TheOne-fe8wk
    @TheOne-fe8wk 5 лет назад +16

    Retro pixel you’re back! I need this in my life thank u sir

  • @elliotagain7731
    @elliotagain7731 5 лет назад +28

    These Crimewatch compilations are awesome

  • @Bad_Gnasher
    @Bad_Gnasher 2 года назад +7

    Cannot believe after all this time nobody has come forward regarding Tracey Meade.

  • @jeanettehinds4253
    @jeanettehinds4253 4 года назад +11

    It makes your blood run cold. That precious little child walking with a bag almost as big as her. You can picture it. It's horrendous.

  • @jameswatson3243
    @jameswatson3243 4 года назад +13

    In the 90's 1in 3 cars were either a Sierra, Escort or Fiesta..

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +5

      And you could tell what car was what. Now they all look the same.

    • @sarahfalder6969
      @sarahfalder6969 3 года назад +3

      unlike the 80s when the Cortina was the Car to have according to these reconstructions XD

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад +1

      Make you right Watson....

  • @sabercrosby8128
    @sabercrosby8128 2 года назад +12

    it's strange watching in the future knowing who the killers turned out to be. A lot of the witness reports were total red herrings and more often than not, the police were way off in the wrong direction.

    • @treasurehunteruk9718
      @treasurehunteruk9718 Год назад +2

      Yeah, the blue van and the man in the nightclub staring at the dance floor. Waste of time with all these 'sightings'.

  • @andreaburton576
    @andreaburton576 4 года назад +14

    dinah was killed by peter tobin there was another girl that went missing to they found both bodies at the same address some years later tobin will never get out of prison i hope he rots in hell rest in peace and god bless sorry for your loss

    • @Lauraloos1981
      @Lauraloos1981 Год назад +2

      He’s dead now thankfully. An absolute monster. Killed two girls in Scotland and Dinah 😢 two bodies were found at his house in Margate.

  • @twinkle3026
    @twinkle3026 3 года назад +9

    Every murder is awful, but poor Lesley! She was so sweet and vulnerable. Only a crazed sociopath, would do this to an innocent little girl??? I found it very harrowing to watch the part of the reconstruction, where the unsuspecting little girl is happily toddlin off to the shop. ..... The consequences of this horrid crime are very far stretching, from Lesley and her heartbroken family, to Stefan Kiszko @ his mother and Castree's family, not to mention the guilt the guys in prison at the time, are now feeling, for targetting poor Mr Kiszko. ..... Incidentally, when this tragedy first happened, back in 1975, i was 13, so this poor girl, would've been in her late 50's now and possibly a grandmother, had her life not been so cruelly cut short, by that madman, Castree.

  • @labazs1964
    @labazs1964 3 года назад +9

    such a shame over Tracey Meade in 2020 her brother was stabbed to death such a sad family history Tracey seemed to be very used to drifting around no school attendance and stopping wherever so must have been a nightmare trying to keep track of her movements

  • @jenniferkelly5897
    @jenniferkelly5897 5 лет назад +15

    Puzzled as to how John Threlfall's death can be as accidental if he was found beaten and strangled.

    • @RetroPixels
      @RetroPixels  5 лет назад +3

      watch the March 1992 Episode that either Redcard74 or Andy JS uploaded (we can't remember which), during that Nick Ross confirms that a second post mortem was to be performed and they no longer believed that it was murder. We included it because at time of broadcast it was being treated as a murder.

    • @olly30
      @olly30 5 лет назад

      Same, butit was I live near there and know sister, someone did a poor job

    • @Lushgirl81
      @Lushgirl81 4 года назад

      Supr Doopr does seem rather odd.

    • @IanP1963
      @IanP1963 4 года назад +1

      @@RetroPixels Was it an accident then in the end?

    • @janettemohan7739
      @janettemohan7739 4 года назад +1

      @@IanP1963
      ruclips.net/video/XBGoktuMxeg/видео.html (at 12 minutes 58 seconds.)

  • @kramzkramner4400
    @kramzkramner4400 5 лет назад +13

    Katie Ratcliffe was murdered by a 12 year old girl. A 12 year old. Still a child, stabbed her 30 times. In her confession she stated it gave her satisfaction. How could you do that at 12?! 🤧

    • @Hoffinator
      @Hoffinator 2 года назад

      Sharon Carr had/has a myriad of problems. Two years after she murdered Katie Rackliff she tried to murder a fellow classmate. And when she was sent to prison her behaviour just got worse

    • @treasurehunteruk9718
      @treasurehunteruk9718 Год назад

      I have read of two cases in the US where six year old kids have shot people, one of them died - so he must have been a good shot! The authorities said he had a gun and they were warned three times, knew he posed a threat and purposely shot the teacher in the chest.

    • @anthonymcken6050
      @anthonymcken6050 Год назад

      Just the spawn of Satan.

  • @tearasjamz29
    @tearasjamz29 5 лет назад +10

    NEW SUBSCRIBER 👍🏾 Love this channel💯

  • @ajs41
    @ajs41 5 лет назад +4

    Just found this video. Thanks for your appreciation Retro Pixels.

  • @patricksinnott3347
    @patricksinnott3347 5 лет назад +4

    Great viewing.. Great to have you back retro

  • @jeanettehinds4253
    @jeanettehinds4253 4 года назад +6

    My sister had all the Bay City Rollers clothes, music and posters.

  • @Balpoonian81
    @Balpoonian81 4 года назад +22

    When lesleys mum called for her and she replied "yeah", absolutely heartbreaking, which evil pricks kill children

  • @Bad_Gnasher
    @Bad_Gnasher 2 года назад +10

    Shocking lack of information online regarding John Threlfall murder.
    Literally nothing.

    • @selfraisingsugar898
      @selfraisingsugar898 9 месяцев назад +1

      So sad. Some cases are only on Crimewatch. Can’t find some others online either. Only 18 too! How could it be ruled as accidental?

    • @vermuyden
      @vermuyden 8 месяцев назад +1

      If you search the newspaper archive on Findmypast (requires subscription or free trial) there’s an article from Manchester Evening News from March 18th 1992 which states “A new pathology report suggests [he] may have died alone, injuring himself in a drug-induced frenzy and then choking.” The Accrington Observer on 10th April 1992 has details of the inquest which was an open verdict, but noted he swallowed 90 coproxamol tablets.

  • @rosemaryoverell1375
    @rosemaryoverell1375 Год назад +5

    Gee the photofit for Robert Napper - Rachel Nickell's murderer - is a dead spit for him. The psychological description also fits.

    • @PaquetasCar2147
      @PaquetasCar2147 Год назад +2

      Yes it is. Spookily, it also resembled Colin Stagg who was intially arrested for her murder following a honey-trap operation by the police, then was wrongly imprisoned for over a year, before being released. The police operation was dramatized in a 3 parter a few years ago on ITV.

    • @Yesman10
      @Yesman10 4 месяца назад +1

      Have a look at Jean Bradley’s murderer, lord knows how they didn’t ask the carpenter that chased him if it was knapper but by the photo fit, case closed

  • @winny8420
    @winny8420 Год назад +3

    Just looked up that it was Peter Tobin that murdered Dinah McNichol & are there any more of these compilations for other years

  • @Lushgirl81
    @Lushgirl81 4 года назад +11

    I often think that it must have been weird for the original witnesses to re-enact everything with an actor playing the part of the victim.

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад

      You think? They are probably all still in therapy?

  • @daveborder7751
    @daveborder7751 2 года назад +6

    Nimal was murdered by his wife.

    • @davidporter7102
      @davidporter7102 3 месяца назад

      I think it was a contract killing which was arranged by his wife. It looks as though it was one or more of the guys connected to the white Ford Orion which carried out the evil deed which she set up.

  • @Nick-Emery
    @Nick-Emery 11 месяцев назад +2

    Anyone have any info on the first case? John Threfell? It’s listed as accidental 🤷‍♂️

  • @jasontroy4723
    @jasontroy4723 5 лет назад +17

    I've watched just about every crime watch episodes from the start to 1999 . Little Lesley being taken has tugged at my heart the most . No disrespect to Family's of other dear innocent children / teens and adults that have been murdered but Lesley for some reason took my heart . That's the one that have struck me for a very long time . Poor dear little soul I wish her family all the very best in all future endeavors .

    • @jasontroy4723
      @jasontroy4723 5 лет назад

      Profit Tracker : Indeed they do . Take care .

    • @dominewimbury2039
      @dominewimbury2039 5 лет назад +2

      @@jasontroy4723 you're certainly not alone. It doesn't sound awful because it's just the way it is. Doesn't mean we don't care about the other children murdered. It's the case of Daniel Handley that gets me the most. I am just two months older than him and only the other side of the water in London

    • @jasontroy4723
      @jasontroy4723 5 лет назад +1

      Domine Wimbury Thank you for your sincere reply . Take care

    • @mrkipling2201
      @mrkipling2201 3 года назад +1

      She said the phone number for Bradford police wrong right at the end of that appeal. I agree about the impact that case has had. I was born very near Rochdale in 1979 and used to go there all the time. What warped mind does that to any human being let alone a defenceless little girl like that??

    • @calumhealy869
      @calumhealy869 Год назад +1

      Jason swift case kills me the most

  • @bohdiiotzaranohealanijaiya7441
    @bohdiiotzaranohealanijaiya7441 Год назад +3

    I love the more maturer crime watch franchise they should bring it back but with this sime kinda ashtetic, production and reconstruction. ❤

  • @jonathancheetham7683
    @jonathancheetham7683 Год назад +1

    Love that the phone line number is the same as Going Live. Bit of a difference in shows….

  • @32446
    @32446 10 месяцев назад +1

    The poor man who was convicted of murdering Leslie had his life destroyed. Evil Ronald Castree who was eventually jailed for the crime ruined so many lives. He was nothing but a callous pervert. His wife had just had a baby when he killed Leslie. Totally evil. The police also behaved appallingly in the way they treated Stefan.

  • @CharlieEdward25
    @CharlieEdward25 5 лет назад +8

    Who could do that to Leslie some real sick people in this world it boggles my mind

    • @andrewsmith2757
      @andrewsmith2757 5 лет назад +1

      Charlie Shakur - Someone has since been charged and convicted. Proved mainly through forensic evidence.

    • @CharlieEdward25
      @CharlieEdward25 5 лет назад

      @@andrewsmith2757 nice I think I saw it was it the babes in the woods guy ?

    • @andrewsmith2757
      @andrewsmith2757 5 лет назад

      @@CharlieEdward25 - No, it wasn't him.

    • @dominewimbury2039
      @dominewimbury2039 5 лет назад +4

      @@CharlieEdward25 nah. That was Ronald Jepson. Lesley's killer was Ronald Castree. Both called Ronald though so nearly right

    • @Annastesia1988
      @Annastesia1988 4 года назад

      Very sad, the image of her walking up the road

  • @christianblanco
    @christianblanco 4 года назад +3

    I'm guessing the man with Dinah wasn't Peter Tobin (later revealed to be her killer), as he would've been way older than his 20s by then?

    • @anthonyboyce8844
      @anthonyboyce8844 4 года назад

      It could of been the driver of the

    • @christianblanco
      @christianblanco 4 года назад +2

      @@anthonyboyce8844 Yeah I think it was. He matches the description and this is how he lured in his other victims.

  • @pershorefoodbanktrusselltr3632
    @pershorefoodbanktrusselltr3632 4 месяца назад +1

    I wouldn’t let my 11 year old go on a 20 minute round trip on her own, no way.

  • @glitterbug9548
    @glitterbug9548 9 месяцев назад +1

    Stefan Kiszko, that whole situation was appalling. Ronald Castree got to live 31 years as a free man before he was caught.

  • @fergusonwalker4387
    @fergusonwalker4387 3 года назад +1

    1:14:47 Chris Gaylor’s account that he ‘’waited behind the car for 10 to 20 seconds’’ seems somewhat unlikely. A 20 second wait stuck behind right turning traffic which is hesitating despite no obvious obstruction is surely bound to have caused Chris more frustration than his account indicates

  • @suzannewinters2681
    @suzannewinters2681 5 лет назад +6

    Thanks so much 👍🏼

  • @Kiroquai
    @Kiroquai Год назад +1

    The Helen Gorrie murder was initially solved - they convicted a man who Helen had met the day prior who had been cruising around the local area in his car and had apparently arranged to go and meet again on the night of her death. He spent a while in jail but eventually the conviction was overturned on a technicality as it was felt the judge had misled the jury when he summed the case up. The police say they feel like there's no need to re-open the investigation so that suggests they think the man they charged with Helen's murder is guilty of the crime but can't do anything about it. Worth noting that there was absolutely no DNA evidence that linked the guy to the crime, or at least none that was presented at trial.

  • @celinebyrne7014
    @celinebyrne7014 4 года назад +3

    dinah mcnichols body was found buried in peter tobins garden in 2007 along with another girl from a border town of scotland very sad

    • @Marigold502
      @Marigold502 Год назад +3

      That was Vicky Hamilton from Bathgate near Edinburgh. The vile Peter TObin drove her from there to his house in England to Bury her.

  • @anthonyboyce8844
    @anthonyboyce8844 4 года назад +1

    Could that Vauxhall in the Radford case be the same as in the mcnicol case?or were they common in 92

  • @PC-lu3zf
    @PC-lu3zf 5 лет назад +3

    That car was Ronald Castrees Taxi.

  • @patrickirvine
    @patrickirvine 5 лет назад +5

    I couldn’t find any information anywhere about the John Threlfall murder

    • @TheLala114
      @TheLala114 5 лет назад +1

      If that’s the first case, I saw on another CW that his case was dismissed as a suicide.

    • @countkostaki
      @countkostaki 5 лет назад +3

      @@TheLala114 Strange how they said that he was beaten up though, he could hardly do that to himself

    • @Swild80
      @Swild80 5 лет назад +2

      In the March 1992 edition they said that a new medical examination ruled they think he died as a result of an accident. Bizarre really.

    • @johncook496
      @johncook496 5 лет назад +4

      Swild80 all I can think is someone attempted CPR, causing injuries post morgen and that was confused with an assault. Otherwise it just seems weird.

    • @patrickirvine
      @patrickirvine 5 лет назад +1

      Quite a mistake by whoever initially ruled it as murder, considering this made it all the way to a reconstruction on Crimewatch.

  • @chrislee947
    @chrislee947 5 лет назад +6

    How long before The Crimewatch Years 1993?

  • @spencerstewart6516
    @spencerstewart6516 3 года назад +5

    Geez Peter Tobin .... Maniac

    • @PaquetasCar2147
      @PaquetasCar2147 Год назад

      Yeah also an evil sexual deviant & rapist & ,of course, serial murderer. Also now deceased & rotting in hell, one hopes.

  • @adamhowarth9305
    @adamhowarth9305 Год назад +1

    Any more information on John Threlfall? He was beaten up and strangled so not sure how it could be marked as accidental?

  • @BlytheWorld1972
    @BlytheWorld1972 5 лет назад +5

    thanks again retro man

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад

      Your weird. Your thumbnail gives everyone nightmares? Change it.

  • @DonnaNewsome-d5q
    @DonnaNewsome-d5q 6 месяцев назад +1

    Seems like no cared enough about poor Tracy Meade! Where’s her dad and her mum did nothing to keep her daughter interested in anything! Pitiful! 😢

  • @darkphoenix5857
    @darkphoenix5857 5 лет назад +1

    Eagerly awaiting some more CRIMEWATCH UPLOADS.....

    • @RetroPixels
      @RetroPixels  5 лет назад +2

      they will be coming back, just working on some other videos otherwise we will run out of crimewatch content

    • @darkphoenix5857
      @darkphoenix5857 5 лет назад +1

      Retro Pixels run out? You still have 20 years to go lol you’re only up to 1994 😂😂❤️

    • @treasurehunteruk9718
      @treasurehunteruk9718 Год назад

      There are quite a few gaps in some decades, with only two episodes for a year. Shame the BBC won't show us them all.

    • @darkphoenix5857
      @darkphoenix5857 Год назад

      @@treasurehunteruk9718 this guy is long gone

  • @Ocinneade345
    @Ocinneade345 3 года назад +3

    Thank you for telling us if these were solved or not

  • @jennynott3841
    @jennynott3841 Месяц назад

    Was John’s murder ever solved?

  • @Lushgirl81
    @Lushgirl81 4 года назад +2

    Thank you for this. 😘

  • @joebroughton2334
    @joebroughton2334 Год назад +1

    The Jac' Radford case - surely the same brown car turning into her drive (as the car seen by the school) is likely to have been the murderer. Did they ever trace the car or who owned it? The lady in the car park was very strange although I can't see how she could be involved. As the main road through the village was a clearway, perhaps she was using this small business car park when she shouldn't, so was shifty - although why she stayed in her car is strange. Awful that was not solved.

  • @dreamangus1505
    @dreamangus1505 11 месяцев назад +1

    Tobin! Killer of Dinah McNichol among others. What a psycho.

  • @aidenhawkins4405
    @aidenhawkins4405 5 лет назад +5

    Next year please man!

  • @lllucky13
    @lllucky13 5 лет назад +1

    mrs merton at 1:20

  • @bobsmith1561
    @bobsmith1561 5 лет назад +5

    John Threlfall - could he have owed money for drugs? Chap in bow tie could be a bouncer involved in dealing ?

    • @elliotsnook7092
      @elliotsnook7092 5 лет назад +3

      It appears it was probably a suicide.

    • @Maz-zb9uf
      @Maz-zb9uf 5 лет назад +4

      Elliot Snook how when he was beaten up

    • @elliotsnook7092
      @elliotsnook7092 5 лет назад +3

      @@Maz-zb9uf Not sure but it's possible that the autopsy incorrectly stated that attempts at CPR etc. were from a struggle.
      On the full episode of Crimewatch that features this case some people who knew Threlfall's family commented and they said it was eventually ruled as an open verdict and that it was most likely suicide.

    • @olly30
      @olly30 5 лет назад +2

      It was sucide in the end, I live near there, and knew his sister

    • @treasurehunteruk9718
      @treasurehunteruk9718 Год назад

      The pathologist needs retraining!

  • @sarahatherton8573
    @sarahatherton8573 Год назад +1

    Dinah Nichols was murdered by peter tobin 😥 theres loads of videos on youtube about him. Eleanor Neale has done a video on him, very informative

    • @09weenic
      @09weenic 5 месяцев назад

      Dinah McNicol !

  • @AR-wj3tc
    @AR-wj3tc 5 лет назад +4

    Funny how the witnesses give their names and show their faces.

  • @ginat6754
    @ginat6754 Год назад

    What misleading information on the Lesley Molseed case. They described the man, as in his 30’s with a receding hairline…. The murderer was 22 at the time , would have not fitted the description. Fingers were definitely pointed at Mr Kiszko from the start.

  • @Nick-Emery
    @Nick-Emery 11 месяцев назад

    And why was that man walking around in just his pants not a suspect 😂

  • @christyd1144
    @christyd1144 9 месяцев назад

    Maybe ONE of his girlfriends ?1 since he was with Carol that night

  • @gayham
    @gayham 4 месяца назад

    Peter Tobin got Dinah!

  • @JonAleno-jx1vg
    @JonAleno-jx1vg 2 месяца назад

    Nimal found out his wife was working as an escort and she was scared he would expose her

  • @bunnyrabbit936
    @bunnyrabbit936 5 лет назад +4

    i was 0 when this came out ^^ makes me feel old lol

    • @raydoug7367
      @raydoug7367 5 лет назад +3

      I'm old i was 16 when this came out, sadly 😂

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад +1

      1971. Grow up?

  • @jackyblue67same10
    @jackyblue67same10 5 лет назад +2

    Gonna have to watch all these .

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад

      Yes maybe you are going too?

    • @CARLIN4737
      @CARLIN4737 3 года назад

      Are you American? Thats American English Gonna? Gonna? Not English fella? jesus.

    • @jackyblue67same10
      @jackyblue67same10 3 года назад +3

      @@CARLIN4737 Yes I am .What are u besides being a jerk ?

    • @jimmorrison3756
      @jimmorrison3756 3 года назад +1

      @@jackyblue67same10 He is a supporter of a shit football team too call Shiteon and hove albion 🤣
      He is a bad stalker too and a virgin who still lives with his parents.
      Ignore him he is an attention seeking idiot.

    • @Peter-ix1ym
      @Peter-ix1ym 2 года назад

      Certainly not whitehawk English mush

  • @bigchris80
    @bigchris80 9 месяцев назад

    When eye witness statements actually mattered! Like they where better than cctv nowadays!

  • @CARLIN4737
    @CARLIN4737 9 месяцев назад

    Awesome

  • @bronxbutterflyrivera78
    @bronxbutterflyrivera78 Год назад +1

    I wonder if this show ever bought any results? It’s alot of acting out what people say they saw or witnessed but nothing concrete at all. And when the reporter showed the pen as evidence I almost fell off my bed. Wtf is a pen ? Do u know how many pens I steal!? And I mean that in a honest way of stealing like when I used a Home Depot pen to sign the receipt when I used my credit card and I took it . I can loose that pen as easily as I stole it. And the reporter showed it like if anyone would be like yes I know this one man in the whole country he is the only one with that pen