Career Chat with Security Forces (Air Base Ground Defense)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2022
- We are LIVE with A1C Matthew Dambrosia, SrA James Carillo, SSgt Daniel Dikin and SSgt Travis Durand to learn about all things Security Forces (Air Base Ground Defense).
The duties of Airmen in Security Forces consist of ensuring on-base safety, conducting routine patrols, and monitoring crime scenes. Specialities within this career include Combat Arms Training (CA) and Counter-small Unmanned Aircraft Systems (C-sUAS).
Small, unmanned aircraft systems (sUAS) have become an increasing threat to our bases, easily evading detection and allowing enemies to interfere with base operations. To protect against these hazards, Defenders operate C-sUA systems to detect and destroy sUAS, including electro-optical sensors, radar systems, weapons and directed energy.
Every Defender must be properly skilled and equipped to handle any situation and to uphold a high level of security on base. Combat Arms Instructors ensure Defenders are proficient and skilled in their ability to use weapons when an emergency arises. These instructors operate firing ranges, conduct marksmanship training for all Air Force personnel and perform maintenance on a wide array of weapons at their assigned bases. To learn more, visit the Security Forces career page.
Have questions about what that’s like? Our Airmen will be available throughout the hour-long session to answer them!
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*Dambrosia, Carillo, Dikin and Durand will be available to answer your questions in the comments and live chat until 3 p.m. CT on the day of the event.
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you guys taking Prior service members currently for Active Duty Security Forces? trying to get back in active side.
U.S. Air Force Recruiting
I was an Army Military Police officer and I conducted combat patrols and convoy escorts with Air Force Security Forces with me. They are basically like the infantry of the Air Force. If you want an easy job, Security Forces is not for you. You can get actually killed in war situation. That would not be the case with other jobs that the Air Force has that are more civilian oriented. I retired as SFC/E7 from the Army in 2015. I recommend people to join because the training and experience could help you if you want to become a police officer or similar jobs.
Nowadays they are glorified security guards who will spend 90% of their enlistment scanning IDs for hours. There's a reason the AF sends tech school drops to security forces.
You def. sounds like you never served.
@@silentronin117 65th MP CO( Airborne) 1998 to 2005, Fort Bragg, NC. I did served ….. Where did you served? What was your unit?
1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 4th ID 2006-2012. You would know then not to compare them to 11B's....
I recommend serving to anyone and if you don’t like the job , you can get out or get a different military occupation. I was cavalry scout and switch to military police. I attended Airborne , Air Assault , Special Reaction Team and Military Operation Urban Terrain school.
This career is like the Hotel: California. You can join anytime you like, but you can... NEVER LEAVE.
But seriously, in the interest of *"Integrity First,"* here's what I've experienced:
- At least half of the people in confinement are your coworkers.
- You will NEVER be able to take leave.
- You will NEVER be listened to by your leadership.
- You WILL be left out at your post and forgotten by your leadership.
-You will NEVER be allowed to switch career fields once you're in.
- Leadership WILL put unstable/unsafe people back on patrol just to fill a body quota.
- A personal life or protected time off? You don't get either.
- Being honest about your mental health is the fastest way to find yourself on an even worse work schedule doing a more demeaning job.
- Leadership knows your gear and working environment are damaging your health long-term. They have the authority/resources to change it. They don't care.
- Even if its someone else's fault; it your fault.
- Even if its no one's fault, its your fault.
- Even if you're doing your job, its your fault.
- You want to be K9 or CATM? Cool, just sign another 4-year contract and watch them tear up your cross training paperwork after you sign.
- No way to change any of this without a change of leadership, who are almost never disciplined, only transferred.
- RAMPANT ALCOHOLISM
- THE DIVORCE RATE
- THE SUICIDE RATE
- ABYSMALLY LOW MORAL(see above).
crosstraining as a fta is guaranteed if you qual for the new job brah. also, i always hear people complain about leadership, but working mids at usafa i've had almost exclusively positive experiences with my leadership both at flight and squadron levels. where were you stationed?
@@afchris Brah, you and I both know there are ways (waivers) for SF to break our own rules when convenient. I could list examples, but we'd be here all night.
As for where I've been, I'm at base number seven now (stateside/overseas mix), but beyond that I don't want to be too specific and out myself. Nice try though, S2. 😉
@@wargriffin5 base number seven!? sheesh dude i hope you get to retire soon 😭😂 I’ve only been in for a year and a half so maybe my experiences are limited
Second this been in for 6 rather die than stay in any longer. Mental health begging my CC to let me go to a dog board since I'm not fit for duty mentally, paperwork been on their desk for a few months.
USAF Security Services vet here. We did our Air Base Ground Defense at Fort Dix in NJ (in February).
As a combat engineer in the U.S Army I just want to let you know I’m insanely jealous of the gear the Air Force gets issued…. We still have ACU pattern plate carriers that are so big you can hardly aim your rifle.
If you want to do this fun stuff like on these videos, you have to really try hard for it. Be the person that stands out and be focused. If you know anyone who is prior Security Forces TALK TO THEM! Security Forces has this saying: "It's what you make of it." So if you see these videos and want to do this... just know that they only show the fun times and not the normal days for these people. I recommend that SF is only for you if you'd like to translate it into a police officer down the line and that's basically it unless you somehow get into investigations with OSI which is only for the really competitive people.
@@thomasryan2679 Security Forces usually does help when applying for local agencies, it distinguishes yourself from other applicants, such as my city has majority former miitary police, or US Air Force Security Forces. CID is not in the Air Force, that's the Army.
What is considered “fun stuff”
Security Forces never helped me become a city police officer. Guarding gates and parked aircraft is not police work.
for security forces what does it take to be a DAGRE member?
Great video. Thank you.
Loved ABGD at Camp Bullis!! (1986).
you guys taking Prior service members currently for Active Duty Security Forces? trying to get back in active side.
U.S. Air Force Recruiting
The Prior Service (PS) program is an enlistment program, allowing a select number of separated individuals to return to active duty. The total accession is subject to change based on Air Force needs. An Air Force Recruiter will help determine if you are qualified. A DD 214 is needed to begin the process. Below is the FY 23 listing of available careers for the PS program. Availability is extremely limited. You may reach out to your area recruiter for further information.
1C5X1 Command & Control Battle Mgt Ops Direct Duty Only
1D7X1A Cyber Defense Operations - Network Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
1D7X1B Cyber Defense Operations - System Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
1D7X1Z Cyber Defense Operations - Software Dev Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
1N8X1 Targeting Analyst Direct Duty Only
1T0X1 Survival, Evasion, Resist, & Escape (SERE) Direct Duty or Retrain
1Z1X1 Pararescue (PJ) Direct Duty or Retrain
1Z2X1 Combat Control (CCT) Direct Duty or Retrain
1Z3X1 Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) Direct Duty or Retrain
1Z4X1 Special Reconnaisance Direct Duty or Retrain
2A377 Tactical Aircraft Mx (5th Gen) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
2A378 Remotely Piloted Aircraft Mx Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
2A3X8B Remotely Piloted Aircraft Mx (RQ-4) Direct Duty or Retrain
2A5X4C Refuel/Bomber Aircraft Mx (KC-46) Direct Duty Only
2A8X1H MAF Comm/Counter/Nav Sys (KC-46) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
2A8X1J MAF Comm/Counter/Nav Sys (All Tanker Arcfrt) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
2A8X2H MAF Instrument & Flt Cont Sys (KC-46) Direct Duty or Retrain
2A9X2D Bomber/Special Instr & Flt Cont Sys (RC-135) Direct Duty or Retrain
2R1X1 Maintenance Mgmt Production Direct Duty or Retrain
3E5X1 Engineering Direct Duty Only
3N0X6 Public Affairs Direct Duty Only
4C0X1 Mental Health Direct Duty Only
FY23 Slots Available: 100
Pam
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
Don’t let them fool you 😂 I was lied to all throughout my enlistment. This is not the time to join! everyone is wanting out right now, just stay in school or go to a trade school! You’ll thank me later… trust me… by the way I finished my contract with an honorable discharge and if I could go back I would…
Hi Garret, if you don't mind could you tell how to join security force 😅, I mean can I choose that when I sign the contract?
@@raymond8919 simple just don’t join Secfo
Interesting…
@@on_the_call3521 lol
@@raymond8919 I don’t think it takes much at all to join SecFo man! 😅
I'm prior service, Army military police and I'm trying to go security forces but it seems that the Airforce isn't a fan of prior service really and doesn't offer many jobs to choose from. When I told the recruiter I was prior service he handed me a list of jobs for prior service
Michael, this is not true as the Air Force has limited prior service each fiscal year. The Prior Service (PS) program is an enlistment program, allowing a select number of separated individuals to return to active duty. The total accession is subject to change based on Air Force needs. An Air Force Recruiter will help determine if you are qualified. A DD 214 is needed to begin the process. Below is the FY 23 (which starts October 2022) listing of available careers for the PS program. Availability is extremely limited. You may reach out to your area recruiter for further information.
Command & Control Battle Mgt Ops Direct Duty Only
Cyber Defense Operations - Network Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
Cyber Defense Operations - System Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
Cyber Defense Operations - Software Dev Ops Direct Duty or Retrain
Targeting Analyst Direct Duty Only
Survival, Evasion, Resist, & Escape (SERE) Direct Duty or Retrain
Pararescue (PJ) Direct Duty or Retrain
Combat Control (CCT) Direct Duty or Retrain
Tactical Air Control Party (TACP) Direct Duty or Retrain
Special Reconnaissance Direct Duty or Retrain
Tactical Aircraft Mx (5th Gen) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
Remotely Piloted Aircraft Mx Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
Remotely Piloted Aircraft Mx (RQ-4) Direct Duty or Retrain
Refuel/Bomber Aircraft Mx (KC-46) Direct Duty Only
MAF Comm/Counter/Nav Sys (KC-46) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
MAF Comm/Counter/Nav Sys (All Tanker Arcfrt) Craftsman Direct Duty or Retrain
MAF Instrument & Flt Cont Sys (KC-46) Direct Duty or Retrain
Bomber/Special Instr & Flt Cont Sys (RC-135) Direct Duty or Retrain
Maintenance Mgmt Production Direct Duty or Retrain
Engineering Direct Duty Only
Public Affairs Direct Duty Only
Mental Health Direct Duty Only
The following web link will assist you in locating an Air Force Recruiter nearest to you by zip code: www.airforce.com/find-a-recruiter If a Recruiter's contact information does not appear, please choose another zip code nearby for a broader search. Please reach out to your local recruiter provided above via phone, email, and text message. Leave your contact information phone number and email with the recruiter provided above. Please allow 10 business days not including weekends or holidays for the recruiter above to contact you.
Ray
U.S. Air Force and Space Force Recruiting
Dude reclass into anothet specialty. MP and security forces doesn't give you much leverage in the civilian world.
Trust me I know but law enforcement is my passion
@@ThesaltyMP the problem with security forces, is if you get a bad base, you may never see any real law enforcement. you may just be stuck doing security for nukes for years.
@@ThesaltyMP Security Guard forces (most respectfully) is not law enforcement. The word police doesn't exist in the title, like MP. Perhaps OSI or CID is. Guarding parked aircraft is not police work. I did 4 yrs as a K9 handler. This never once helped me become a city police officer. I would've been better off in accounting, electronics, mechanics for aviation or marine bureau. PT for SWAT, EMT, hazmat, ...anything but security guard.
ABGD at Camp Bullis in 1983. I bet a lot has changed since then.
I’m enlisting in the AF reserve at 33 and that’s the job I picked. Plan on going OCS in the near future.
Congratulations. We wish you the very best!
Pam
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
The very best part of this field is this is where OSI recruits. If you want to excel quickly ...... Become a Mason and Scothish Rights and a Shriner. When you join with these under your belt, and work real hard to be at the top % of your class, the Intelligence services will notice you.
My father way back starting in the late 50's, did this and by the time he retired in late 70's
Was CIA. He saw live theator 4 times and ive watched him put down 8 tough guys in like 2 or 3 minutes. And he looked like Barney Fife.
I got into this field with the officer program after 4 years enlisted. I got 398 on my marksmanship, due to my father's training. Got Stationed at Minot in early 83.
My 1st Sgt George was a Chief Master Sergeant but i cant remember how to write that designation? I choose Flight ramp and Weapons Storage Area. But we also had Tac because of the ramp guarding North Border.
Minot is the most boring place on the planet.
I live in Indianapolis In.
Marion county Indiana has more people than the entire state of ND. And ND is slightly over twice as big as Indiana.
However their recreation building was beyond anything ive ever seen
20:02 forgot to put your weapon on fire, Raven.
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What happens if you have adhd and want to join, I just saw your requirements and said no history off add or adhd, also do you get to choose what career in security forces you want to do, say I want to specifically be in raven?
If you have been diagnosed by a doctor as having ADD/ADHD, you must meet the following requirements in order to apply:
- Must be off medication for a minimum of 15 months.
- You must have a current note from primary care provider validating stable status with condition, must summarize the diagnosis, history of treatment, and should rule out any residual of ADD/ADHD
- Show evidence of successful academic and work endeavors while off medication
- Show evidence that applicant was not provided classroom aids such as private study area, special tutors, additional time to complete assignments or tests.
Pam
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
As long as you don't have medical records shared with the military (parent was military), and you haven't recently used adhd meds, it would be best to just not ever mention it to anyone your entire time joining and in the military, same goes for past drug use as long as you weren't ever arrested for it. With some years of experience in SF you will have more options as to what subfield you would want to do in SF, like K9 or Combat Arms, but stuff like Raven is only at certain bases, so if you happen to get that base and can pass the physical fitness test.
@@USAirForceRecruiting alright thanks.
@@nuggetsaltshaker9520 what do you mean by parent was military in this situation, if you were asking my dad was in the military?
I got K9 right after tech school. I walked around perimeter fences in artic-cold weather. At night we waited for the truck to drop off box lunches. There's no night-differential pay, holiday pay, or overtime for working 12-hour tours while everyone else works 8 hours. We called ourselves cops, but we were guards like the those working the gate at my condo. Checking ID cards and guarding parked aircraft is police work as much as being a school crossing guard. It's the worst job in the air force. The Asvab score ties with being a cook. It's where they dump people who flunk other tech schools. Everyone thinks they're your boss.
My name is armon im interested in joining the service. I wanna join the space force as security forces. I have hope i will pass the asvab to qualify for security forces. I don't understand the computer jobs, engineering, working on aircraft. I know how dangerous security forces is.
@@armon6109 You're the same age as my children and I'm delighted you want to join. However, Security Guard Forces will be a mistake. It's a painfully boring job.Get a position which translates to a career on the outside. Security has you checking ID cards and manning gates. There's not a big need for aircraft guards on Maint Street. Better yet, remain in school and attend ROTC.
Saw member of airforce in st george Utah same uniform got security force
Respect
Go aircrew for the love of everything. You’re likely going to be looking at id’s all day. It is not glamorous.
second this. unless you want to be a glorified self checkout stay away. The cool jobs like k9 and other such is bait. you wont get it.
How long is tech training?
Security Forces Apprentice Course, JBSA Lackland, TX 65 Days
Don
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
I'm interested in joining the US Air Force Security Forces, and I'm a 19 year old US Citizen, and I speak 2 languages, but I'm also considering the US Army, I've spoken to Army Recruiters and I'm heavily considering the US Army, as I can select my job before taking the oath, however I'd also like to see if the US Air Force is an option.
Isaac, suggest you speak with an Air Force recruiter to discuss options. What is your zip code?
Ray
U.S. Air Force and Space Force Recruiting
The training and equipment look great. I wonder how often they get to train in ABGD hen they get to their respective base. There is a whole different mission there and 12 hour shifts so people can do a 5 day exercise sux. Security Forces is one of those career fields that suffered for decades (Air Police, Security Police, separated LE and Security functions and ABD etc.). We never had the time to train like the infantry does in the Army or Marines. The AF fitness programs were always a joke and trying to get a squadron fitness program usually resulted in IG or DODIG complaints. Good luck.
just trying to get a camaro😮💨
Do yall have to do something similar to EIB? Expert infantry badge for Army
As far as I know there isn't anything similar to an EIB. How do you even get an eib in the first place
@@user-su4uw5kb5i It's an Army: expert infantry badge.
Nice
My daughter is literally at Security Forces Tech school training right now, and it is ROUGH! It is like bmt on steroids they say! She graduated from bmt on September 7th, and has been at tech since then. They head to bolus (not sure if I spelled that right) on Halloween, and that is going to be even harder. Her team happens to be going during the national ruck challenge time so they have to do a ruck in double the amount of miles than they usually do. She will be fully graduated mid-December. She is just really going through it right now, I hope it gets easier for her. SecFo was NOT one of her choices when she joined. She dreamed of joining the Air Force since she was 7 years old and going into a Medical field, but her recruiter broke her heart when he said that Air Force doesn't have a medical field. She even studied really hard and retook her asvab with great risk to get a higher score in order to qualify for more opportunity to gain a job somewhere remotely close to the medical field. In which, she did score higher and qualify for surgical assistant. It landed on her list with her test score but her recruiter told her that she tested high enough, yes, but it was only the list for if she'd had the degree already and that it was not possible for her to choose it because she had to go to college first. So he told her the air force will train her but she needed to choose a job until then. He talked her into Security Forces. She was under the impression that she would only be doing Security Forces for a little while while she took courses to get into the surgical assistant. But once she arrived she learned that is not that case. It's not that easy to cross-train into a different field, and she has to find her own way of that education independent of the AF, which still does not guarantee her getting into that field. So now she is really stuck in this career that she truly despises at the moment. She is also stuck in it for 6 years, even though her final contract she signed was for 4 years but her original first ever contract that she did in the beginning either with the recruiter or at her first Meps meeting was for 6 years so they went by that. Don't get me wrong, it is a great field for having a civilian career later on in anything to do with law enforcement, as a police officer, or SWAT or a probation officer or correction officer Etc. Especially if that is your dream career or something you really enjoy it gives you a huge advantage and a foot in the door and this job will pretty much set you up for life with that. It's just not at all what she wanted for her future, but she's trying to make the best of it and she is going to start taking her medical courses on the side when she can find the tme because the SF shifts are sooooo long! I'm hoping that once she gets to her first base and they assign her Security Forces position on that base, I am praying that it is something that she enjoys. Because it's going to be really hard to do a crummy position in a job that you're already not happy with. But she absolutely LOVES the Air Force and has wanted to join since she was a child, so she is doing her best to stick it out for her future, and the future of her future family. But Security Forces is a lot of work, discipline and very athletically charged, for those looking to join that career. It's not an easy or lazy ticket into law enforcement as some think!!
@@thomasryan2679 cops are struggling with manning everywhere. They will take any mil police in seconds. My friend got a job with LV metro instantly and worked nukes for 6 years.
It's not rough at all. lol
How is she doing now?
It's not rough. It's like summer camp.
Yapology
Do a 1A9
This does not look like something I want to do but my asvab score was so low this is like the only thing available. (And services)
Stanley, if you are not in the Delayed Entry Program (DEP) you can retake your ASVAB to score higher.
Ray
U.S. Air Force and Space Force Recruiting
Do services!
@@LifeWithBri.. why services? Isn’t that like being a cook in the army?
@@curryglocc4788 basically any low tier customer service oriented job you can think of that the military would have; working the dfac, gym, lodging, mortuary, etc.
@@afchris so do they let you choose if you want to work the dfac or gym? what score do I need for services? I heard the hours are 8-4(which is lovely) I just wanna know more in depth about the job
You can only go K9 if you cross train into it. So first you have to do 4 years or 6 years and then you’ll have a chance to go K9. Talk to someone that is in the military.
You dont have to do 4 or 6 years to be able to cross train it depends on when you do it but ive seen people do it after being in for 2 years or getting ready to put on E-4 soon. It just depends on stuff tbh.
You will be eligible to cross train when you are 13 months from your separation date. You will normally need to be in that window to be eligible.
Pam
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
@@USAirForceRecruiting SF are allowed to retrain into shreds (CATM or K9) once they hit a year in their service.
Hello, I am Thai and have a dream of becoming a US Air Force. I really want to be a security force. I used to be a 1 year soldier in the Royal Thai Air Force. Royal Thai Air Force Battalion, King's Guard, Battalion 2, has a flight base defense course, sending symptoms, but a basic self-defense course. Looking for a Muay Thai teacher United States Air Force, military technology is recognized worldwide. Thank you.
To qualify for enlisted you must meet the below qualifications.
1) Be a US citizen or possess a USCIS Form I-551 (green card) status in their possession, solely indicating permanent resident status. Applicants may process with a 10-year Green card (INS Form I-551) with an expiration date greater than two years from date of issue (a “permanent” card). (You must obtain this status on your own, the Air Force cannot assist you with obtaining it)
For certain careers like Security Forces US citizenship is mandatory
Don
Air Force and Space Force Recruiting Service
Its not just security, it's SeCFO!! 32 ASVB! HUA!
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Should of had the Minot cops do this lmao.
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What if your married and don't wanna leave the states lol can I just stay in THE USA on a AF base here?
MetaMiningX, it does not matter if you are single or married you must do your job.
Active duty is a full time job with full benefits and the opportunity to be stationed in other states or even other countries.
Reserve and Air National Guard (ANG) are normally part-time jobs with partial pay and partial benefits and normally where you currently live; you do not move.
No matter which you pick, when it is time to deploy somewhere you must go with your unit. Deployment means you leave your base you are stationed at (where you work daily) for a short amount of time, but you will come back to your base that you are stationed at. Deployment lengths for the Air Force on average are 4-6 months. The shortest deployment length among the branches.
Ray
U.S. Air Force and Space Force Recruiting
Stay away from the military if you can't relocate. Some assignments don't permit the spouse to join you.
gate guards on most days
I HAVE SEE THEM .DOING IT FINE WITH THEIR RIFFLE IN THEIR HANDS ENTRY INSIDE THE HOUSES WHERE THEY WILL GET THE ENEMIES.REGARDS
Who cares. Unlock your caps genius.
Please do not join this career field. The culture is so toxic and the people do not care about you. Stay in school, go to a trade school, or another AFSC, but please do not do this if you value your mental health.
Like what is wrong about mental health in this career
What do you mean toxic culture
@@alanshearer3682 just your leadership not caring about you as a person. You are seen as a number and not a human. Examples, for no reason I had someone who has anger problems just belittle you for no reason. Had someone lie on a document about me administratively. The long hours (12-14) are draining. Cops are the biggest gossipers, don’t trust anyone you talk to. These things are never brought up when applying for jobs but security forces does not care about its people.
It's the worst job in the air force and is painfully boring. You're nothing but a road guard. @@alanshearer3682
@@alanshearer3682 The job is painfully boring. Sucks.
Just stay at school. Because fasfa provide tuition assistance up to 16k a year anyway. Why need military especially when the rules getting so restricted into your movement and your personal life. And your workers are bunch of sensitive people
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