Trulli replaced Panis at Prost for 3 months after the latter broke his leg at the Canadian gp 1997. Then they were teammates at Prost the next two years, and again worked together at Toyota some years later.
An example of why DRS SUCKS. Both cars came at the corner/chicane at the same speed and they rely on their bracking and cornering habilities to gain or defend a posittion, now it's all about to press a damn button and pass the other car on a straight line
The old Hockenheim circuit was unique, for sure; that's what made it great. It probably wasn't much of a challenge to drive (except for the stadium section, that must have been fun with the low downforce settings), but it often produced good races, because one could pass almost anywhere on the track. It was definitely more a spectator's track than a driver's track- and other than maybe Monza there wasn't any other track like that on the F1 calendar. I really do miss the old layout; I think if it was to be restored with better spectator facilities than it had in 2001 (particularly in the forest straights, apparently there were no restrooms for spectators out there), F1 today could race there.
+hmdwgf Some modifications to track layout would probably be okay, as long as the ostkurve was still there. And as long as the old layout was still possible to be used for trackdays. And the forest not cut down too much. Imo the forest added to the characteristics of this track as well
People bitch about the new DRS and KERS being needed, and that they make being a driver easy. The car's nowadays don't have 950hp, and the teams engines are much closer in power output than they were during the V10 era. The V10's had varying levels of power, and today's engines are for the most part all roughly the same power. In addition, all the little winglets and aero appendages that these cars have are banned, and forcing teams to regain the downforce by making the wing's angle more aggressive. Simply put, if you think it's boring watching modern F1, try to imagine it without KERS or DRS, and with nothing in their place. I'm sorry, but there's not enough passing as it is.
If this would happend season 2014 Panis would just wait Drs zone and then move pass Trulli. And then Jordan would tell Trulli that he have to save fuel and tyres because they are melting. Exiting? NO!. I miss this :(
@@ballaking1000 what are you raving about? Cars in 2004 weighed 600kg and they had to use ballast to make them that heavy. This year they weigh a minimum of 750kg and that is because if the batteries. Old cars were way lighter and had just as much power, less torque though.
In my opinion this is discrimination for the poor animals in the forrest... they loved to chill on a tree or behind the fence watching the drivers pushing to the limit and listening to the sound of V10 engines, but now they lost their first row viewing position. Im serious give the animals their raceshow back!
@@mkronbauer Because the stupid Greens wanted the reforestation of the old track. It was a sneaky blackmail strategy - you want money from Baden Württemberg? Eliminate the old track. Pathetic! But now the old money grubbing farts (track owners) got what they deserved - crappy Hockenheim is out! Great!
Old Hockenheim was the best and worst track to watch a Race on the grandstand. The Cars were long gone no visual cues, but hearing the roar of those V-10s and seeing them blasting back out of the Forest gave a whole different kind of tension.
They killed F1 in its most and they killed this insane race track configuration.. It was mindblowing, breathtaking and incomparable configuration. I do not know what is in the heads of that old men that rule F1.
I rembering this race very good (i was age 14). This fight between Trulli and Panis was exciting - especially when you know that the cars arrive more then 350 km/h (217 mph). I loved the old Hockenheimring, but the new is great too.
The glorious old hockenheim... A forest roaring with v10 screaming through it, where the driver floor their throttle 80% of their time in a lap, insane brake wear, squeezing every last bit of driver skills where the driver had to negotiate the twisty stadium section with a low downforce setup due to the very fast nature at the rest of the track.
I don't really think DRS and KERS are driving aids. Driving aids are like traction control and so on. KERS and DRS doesnt really help you to drive better,it just you to get more speed on a straight line.
How I miss the old Hockenheim. And these two teams. Especially the yellow Jordans. Even though they were not as successful as the other teams, they were still so awesome to watch. And Minardi too.
I feel you so much... I visited Hockenheim a few month ago and looked at what's left of this beautiful track and the old layout. The "Gegengerade" which leads back into the "motordrome" is still there, but no signs that this was once part of the track are left. It's crazy to think that this part of the Track just vanished forever, and all what's left, is a part of the forest with less tall trees.
They litteraly killed the essence of the circuit with the new layout and that’s why f1 is not going to return there. At least silverstone new layout managed to remain amazing
@@rayonlaser2213 F1's absence has nothing to do with the Track. Hockenheim is still a good track to produce fun racing and I don't know how much fun the old Hockenheim (even though I prefer it over the "new" one) would be with the new cars and DRS. Could be pretty boring. But I thing they should kept at least half of these high speed sectors.
Da waren noch Männer gefragt....mit 350 durch den Wald von Hockenheim. Dies waren noch echte Windschatten Schlachten. Heute unvorstellbar, drum sehe ich mir den Käse seit Jahren nicht mehr an.
F1 sucked in this era. It was boring, uncompetitive racing. If anything the level of competition is better now. You nostalgiatards really are ridiculous.
I am one of those people who thought F1 was better back then. But then I checked the overtake stats and I was amazed: cliptheapex.com/overtaking/ Just because the engine is louder doens't mean it races better.
karelpipa no. regarding fuel consumption, the old Hockenheim circuit had been similar to Monza (engines are running under full load for 73 to 75 percent of the lap time). Most teams do not use the entire fuel tank capacity of 100 litres, most teams only use 96 to 98 litres of it. The reason is that most of the time the cars are using the longest gear, which is good regarding fuel consumption. the tracks that are critical regarding fuel consumption are circuits like Montreal - a lot of full-load-accelerating out of medium-speed-corners. Modern F1 cars would not have to lift-and-coast on the old Hockenheim layout (if it still existed).
Trulli locks up intro the last chicane and ruins his exit but Panis hits the limiter coming out of the last chicane and fucks up his run into the stadium. Midfield tomfoolery.
Lol everyone is reminsicinding the old F1 but I remember the first half of 2000s and there would be races with zero passes, most races were like current Monaco. I am not saying current F1 is clearly better but nostalgia just gives people rose colored glasses
Your statement is partially true. The only matter that I would see the F1 going back to , if I should pick one, are gravel traps and slippery grass beyond the white line. ( track limits) Truckwise, I would love to see some older circuits back but I am aware that new circuits are built from a spectator standpoint , not from racers standpoint , neither the TV spectator standpoint + safety regulations.
+Benjamin Karslund Well at the same time this was really boring. All about waiting until the pit stops. Sure the sound would be amazing to have back but the races... Meh.
I too really loved the old Hockenheim layout.. it was very different from most tracks and presented a unique challenge. After quite a bit of reading I can't seem to find out why the track owners decided to dismantle the old layout after introducing the new one... surely that takes time and effort? Wouldn't simply blocking it off have been simpler and less expensive? Not to mention it would have left open the option of perhaps re-using it in the future. Now it's pretty much gone forever. Very sad.
***** That wasn't the main reason. That was a contributing factor, but the main reason was that the track was not good for spectators and it's facilities were lacking to others. There were hardly any access roads, and over at the OstKurve, there were no bathrooms for spectators, and security was often an issue- some crazy ex-Mercedes employee got onto the track during the 2000 race thanks to him nagivating his way through the forest there, which didn't have any good security measures from stopping people from getting onto the track.
***** Old track layout had to be abandoned because they had to compensate the big amounts of wood destroyed for the new layout. I guess it wouldn't have survived anyway, because of the tough financial situation the Hockenheim Ring got in after the new layout was built.
hmdwgf Eccelstone pursuaded the Hockenheim Ring management, that it would be beneficial, when the cars would drive by the spectators more often and that they should therefor shorten the track. :-(
armorgeddon And so master craftsman Tilke provided us with many carefully engineered track sections that are guaranteed by science to produce better racing. Germans are the most fun people, just ask them, politely.
I love this old track too!! But if they raced it today someone would die every race with the way drivers like stroll and ocon cut people off every chance they get…..
der alte Ring war der Hammer! die geilste F1 high speed Strecke..selbst zwar erst 93 geboren, - aber auch dieser Kurs - unvergessen :) ..etliche Runden dort auf Playstation1+ Formula1 96/97 gedreht >:D
I just watched the sundays race and after I started to look for videos with old track and with monopost with some sound. It was really good race on sunday, but this sounds so much better and the old track is just great!
I love it when people say "This is what F1 used to be"... lol... they were concentrating on a battle for 9th place people.... during a time when Ferrari would dominate, they won 15 out of 19 races that year... You see the same battles today, F1 isn't any worse than it's ever been, the racing is actually good and the qualifying times from 3rd to last place are crazy close during a normal weekend...
Two drivers with something in common: both got their only F1 win in Monaco
And Trulli was Panis' last teammate in F1
Not a bad race to win 😄
They were both raced for Prost Peugeot 1999
Trulli replaced Panis at Prost for 3 months after the latter broke his leg at the Canadian gp 1997. Then they were teammates at Prost the next two years, and again worked together at Toyota some years later.
@@hernansalto-dumbattemptracingbut what he said is still correct...Panis' last teammate in F1 (2004) was Trulli....
No DRS, Old hockenheim, V-10 sound
Come back old F-1!!!
Julian Manrique yes😥😥😥😥
F1 in this era sucked. Good riddance to it.
It's really funny that when someone says ''bring back old F1'' usually means F1 during the time he/she started watching.
You forgot to add "no overtaking"
Old Hockenheim just requires :
20% Drivers Skill
80% Engine Power
I miss that sound.
We all miss :(
Circut and sound...
Me too... But I also like the punch and corner speeds of the new cars 🙃
😒
An example of why DRS SUCKS. Both cars came at the corner/chicane at the same speed and they rely on their bracking and cornering habilities to gain or defend a posittion, now it's all about to press a damn button and pass the other car on a straight line
Passes today is so easy. Back then you need hard work with no magic buttons - you rely on basic physics.
The old Hockenheim circuit was unique, for sure; that's what made it great. It probably wasn't much of a challenge to drive (except for the stadium section, that must have been fun with the low downforce settings), but it often produced good races, because one could pass almost anywhere on the track. It was definitely more a spectator's track than a driver's track- and other than maybe Monza there wasn't any other track like that on the F1 calendar. I really do miss the old layout; I think if it was to be restored with better spectator facilities than it had in 2001 (particularly in the forest straights, apparently there were no restrooms for spectators out there), F1 today could race there.
+hmdwgf Some modifications to track layout would probably be okay, as long as the ostkurve was still there. And as long as the old layout was still possible to be used for trackdays. And the forest not cut down too much. Imo the forest added to the characteristics of this track as well
but why remove the forest part? they could have added grandstands along the straights
@@Rosario_Verano They would probably be mostly empty.
@@martinh88 Yeah, access would be an issue.
I think Canada is a similar type of track. Very high speed with chicanes so tons of passing.
I really miss the old Hockenheim!
Me too
👍
Shame the original tracks gone
People bitch about the new DRS and KERS being needed, and that they make being a driver easy. The car's nowadays don't have 950hp, and the teams engines are much closer in power output than they were during the V10 era. The V10's had varying levels of power, and today's engines are for the most part all roughly the same power. In addition, all the little winglets and aero appendages that these cars have are banned, and forcing teams to regain the downforce by making the wing's angle more aggressive. Simply put, if you think it's boring watching modern F1, try to imagine it without KERS or DRS, and with nothing in their place. I'm sorry, but there's not enough passing as it is.
Man old Hockenheim was awesome
In loving memory of the REAL Hockenheim ring! Wonderful!
If this would happend season 2014 Panis would just wait Drs zone and then move pass Trulli. And then Jordan would tell Trulli that he have to save fuel and tyres because they are melting. Exiting? NO!. I miss this :(
They also had to save fuel back then...
Sure, but not to that degree they have to today.
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@@ballaking1000 what are you raving about? Cars in 2004 weighed 600kg and they had to use ballast to make them that heavy. This year they weigh a minimum of 750kg and that is because if the batteries. Old cars were way lighter and had just as much power, less torque though.
This was F1... RIP Hockenheim
In my opinion this is discrimination for the poor animals in the forrest... they loved to chill on a tree or behind the fence watching the drivers pushing to the limit and listening to the sound of V10 engines, but now they lost their first row viewing position. Im serious give the animals their raceshow back!
they werent allowed to race there anymore because they had to replant the trees
Lakitu886 Because they cutted other trees to make that generic new layout
They changed the track to get more capacity.
@@mkronbauer Because the stupid Greens wanted the reforestation of the old track. It was a sneaky blackmail strategy - you want money from Baden Württemberg? Eliminate the old track. Pathetic! But now the old money grubbing farts (track owners) got what they deserved - crappy Hockenheim is out! Great!
Old Hockenheim was the best and worst track to watch a Race on the grandstand. The Cars were long gone no visual cues, but hearing the roar of those V-10s and seeing them blasting back out of the Forest gave a whole different kind of tension.
Germans, why you let this legendary tack killed?!
Miss Jordan :/
They killed F1 in its most and they killed this insane race track configuration.. It was mindblowing, breathtaking and incomparable configuration. I do not know what is in the heads of that old men that rule F1.
Back when drivers didn't look like they were playing a racing sim...
Isso sim eram autódromos, carros e motores, não essas porcarias semi elétricas sem barulho de hj em dia....
Oliver Panis had one of the greatest wins in F1. Last ever win for Ligier. Pity he broke his leg. One of my favourite drivers.
great defensive driving from jarno, until he spun. i remember waching this race live.
remember burti and schumacher
I XxXCr7Jamie2016XxX l the crash at the start? if i remember correctly, burti went flying into the barriers at turn 1?
How old Are you?
Wurz onboard at Monza around this time was also really good battles!
Чудо машины! Чудо дороги! Показатель Экономики. Вот условия для Жизни и Размножения!!
Was für tolle F1 Zeiten damals mit Jaques Schulz und Marc Surer als Kommentatoren damals noch
Auf 9 und 10 lagen die und die beiden Kommentatoren sind so enthusiastisch als ginge es um die WM. Herrlich Schulz und surer
side by side at 350 kph....balls of steel
Panis of steel 😂
This is F1, no Tilke Tracks, Power and Sounds of a V10.
MISS THE V10 ENGIES SOOOO MUCH
I rembering this race very good (i was age 14). This fight between Trulli and Panis was exciting - especially when you know that the cars arrive more then 350 km/h (217 mph). I loved the old Hockenheimring, but the new is great too.
Bring back this track now
The glorious old hockenheim...
A forest roaring with v10 screaming through it, where the driver floor their throttle 80% of their time in a lap, insane brake wear, squeezing every last bit of driver skills where the driver had to negotiate the twisty stadium section with a low downforce setup due to the very fast nature at the rest of the track.
Who needs DRS to have a close battle?
The young generation does not know "Trulli Train".
I don't really think DRS and KERS are driving aids.
Driving aids are like traction control and so on.
KERS and DRS doesnt really help you to drive better,it just you to get more speed on a straight line.
Former Prost- team-mates battling
This old longer circuit was better than new one....
How I miss the old Hockenheim. And these two teams. Especially the yellow Jordans. Even though they were not as successful as the other teams, they were still so awesome to watch. And Minardi too.
I feel you so much... I visited Hockenheim a few month ago and looked at what's left of this beautiful track and the old layout. The "Gegengerade" which leads back into the "motordrome" is still there, but no signs that this was once part of the track are left. It's crazy to think that this part of the Track just vanished forever, and all what's left, is a part of the forest with less tall trees.
Arrows also! :D
They litteraly killed the essence of the circuit with the new layout and that’s why f1 is not going to return there. At least silverstone new layout managed to remain amazing
@@rayonlaser2213 F1's absence has nothing to do with the Track. Hockenheim is still a good track to produce fun racing and I don't know how much fun the old Hockenheim (even though I prefer it over the "new" one) would be with the new cars and DRS. Could be pretty boring. But I thing they should kept at least half of these high speed sectors.
That F1 was really fun.
Jordan honda vs bar honda
Panis, highly underrated driver. Too bad he hasn't had a chance in a big team.
Da waren noch Männer gefragt....mit 350 durch den Wald von Hockenheim. Dies waren noch echte Windschatten Schlachten. Heute unvorstellbar, drum sehe ich mir den Käse seit Jahren nicht mehr an.
Really miss the old Hockenheim layout as well thunderous 3.0 Litre Normal-Aspirated V10 engines.
Back when racing circuits where for men
More than a year in fact.
Everyone is talking about the old Hockenheim while I am amazed by the amount of cockpit camera perspective.. Love it
that huge oil bottle feature always gets me !
Brilliant track, brilliant cars, brilliant sounds. What on earth has F1 come to?
Morgan Hodgson A she'll of its former self.
At least the cars are faster.
F1 sucked in this era. It was boring, uncompetitive racing. If anything the level of competition is better now. You nostalgiatards really are ridiculous.
Yep.
I am one of those people who thought F1 was better back then. But then I checked the overtake stats and I was amazed: cliptheapex.com/overtaking/
Just because the engine is louder doens't mean it races better.
This is exciting and fascinating to watch without anything that defines F1 today. Just simple V10 engines and tracks that each had a unique character.
My fav high speed circuit..I really miss this old Hockenheim!
Die gute alte 2000der Formel 1😢 das waren noch Zeiten
the sounds so astonishing
Amazing quality!
I will never forgive they destroyed this circuit.
Imagine this with the new fuel consumption regulations :)) Coast on a highway race :)
karelpipa no. regarding fuel consumption, the old Hockenheim circuit had been similar to Monza (engines are running under full load for 73 to 75 percent of the lap time). Most teams do not use the entire fuel tank capacity of 100 litres, most teams only use 96 to 98 litres of it. The reason is that most of the time the cars are using the longest gear, which is good regarding fuel consumption. the tracks that are critical regarding fuel consumption are circuits like Montreal - a lot of full-load-accelerating out of medium-speed-corners. Modern F1 cars would not have to lift-and-coast on the old Hockenheim layout (if it still existed).
Isso era F1 !! Isso era som de F1 !! Isso era circuito de F1 !! Sdds da verdadeira F1 ....
Montoya sagte später nach dem Rennen, er sei überrascht gewesen wie schmal die Rennstrecke in Wirklichkeit wäre.
Trulli locks up intro the last chicane and ruins his exit but Panis hits the limiter coming out of the last chicane and fucks up his run into the stadium. Midfield tomfoolery.
that was speed pure... 370 km/h. today? no more german races, no more german fan interest at all. thanks to sky for that.
Nowdays this would have resulted in 15,000 penalties and a safety car
God I miss this sport 😔 Glad it got replaced by another great sport 😅
2:25 When you finally unleash the demon.
Lol everyone is reminsicinding the old F1 but I remember the first half of 2000s and there would be races with zero passes, most races were like current Monaco. I am not saying current F1 is clearly better but nostalgia just gives people rose colored glasses
Schumacher would be 30 secs ahead after 3 laps ...
Your statement is partially true. The only matter that I would see the F1 going back to , if I should pick one, are gravel traps and slippery grass beyond the white line. ( track limits) Truckwise, I would love to see some older circuits back but I am aware that new circuits are built from a spectator standpoint , not from racers standpoint , neither the TV spectator standpoint + safety regulations.
IM 32 and I still got to enjoy these wonderful sunday morning. RIP good F!.
Without buttons
I just Love watching the expansions & contractions of the front tires @ tracks like Hockenheim & Monza.
Old f1 no DRS.
El antiguo Hockenheim era una pista super rapida al estilo Monza y Silverstone, lastima que le cortaron las piernas.
wo er jetzt ja auch ist.
i miss old hockenheim and old f1
I would be mad if I was Trulli. Damn Panis wouldn´t give the place back and he lost his head.
i would like to see that track back in the calendar, just to see full speed battles, it could be pretty exciting !
THIS was real F1 - not today in 2015! Give us the real F1 back!!!
+Benjamin Karslund Well at the same time this was really boring. All about waiting until the pit stops. Sure the sound would be amazing to have back but the races... Meh.
0:19 that McLaren sound
0:20 great sound of the Mercedes-Benz FO110K engine
Frentzen 😢
I too really loved the old Hockenheim layout.. it was very different from most tracks and presented a unique challenge.
After quite a bit of reading I can't seem to find out why the track owners decided to dismantle the old layout after introducing the new one... surely that takes time and effort? Wouldn't simply blocking it off have been simpler and less expensive? Not to mention it would have left open the option of perhaps re-using it in the future. Now it's pretty much gone forever. Very sad.
***** That wasn't the main reason. That was a contributing factor, but the main reason was that the track was not good for spectators and it's facilities were lacking to others. There were hardly any access roads, and over at the OstKurve, there were no bathrooms for spectators, and security was often an issue- some crazy ex-Mercedes employee got onto the track during the 2000 race thanks to him nagivating his way through the forest there, which didn't have any good security measures from stopping people from getting onto the track.
***** Old track layout had to be abandoned because they had to compensate the big amounts of wood destroyed for the new layout. I guess it wouldn't have survived anyway, because of the tough financial situation the Hockenheim Ring got in after the new layout was built.
hmdwgf Eccelstone pursuaded the Hockenheim Ring management, that it would be beneficial, when the cars would drive by the spectators more often and that they should therefor shorten the track. :-(
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armorgeddon And so master craftsman Tilke provided us with many carefully engineered track sections that are guaranteed by science to produce better racing. Germans are the most fun people, just ask them, politely.
old Hockenheim...
i miss that old hockenheim so much.. Unbelievable racetrack...
I love this old track too!! But if they raced it today someone would die every race with the way drivers like stroll and ocon cut people off every chance they get…..
Der alte Hockenheimring, mir kommen die Tränen. Was habt ihr bloß mit der schönsten Rennstrecke der Welt angestellt.
der alte Ring war der Hammer! die geilste F1 high speed Strecke..selbst zwar erst 93 geboren, - aber auch dieser Kurs - unvergessen :) ..etliche Runden dort auf Playstation1+ Formula1 96/97 gedreht >:D
..ach.. und weg mit dem f***ing DRS..!
I just watched the sundays race and after I started to look for videos with old track and with monopost with some sound. It was really good race on sunday, but this sounds so much better and the old track is just great!
Old Hockenheim is basically German Monza but better
And not a single DRS was used that day
amazing quality!
Imagine this track with DRS...
+Matkin222 DRS is shit... for wimps who can't handle proper racing
Old Hockenheim 最高!!
I kinda miss this version of the Hockenheim track
This is what F1 really look like.. There's no need for DRS. It just the engine. More fair.
Way too many things missing here...The old Hockenheimring, the sound of those brilliant sounding engines, events with many people.
He had to recover that position asap otherwise panis would have escape with the last available point, witch he did.
So little downforce through the stadium section, amazing!
But he cut the chicane!
Better then watching the TRULLI TRAIN! thnx for the upload.
What a POWER!!!!!!
Poor strategy and disappointing seventh.But Olivier generally was good this year.
Es läuft alles schief bei Jordan
Kein Wunder, wenn TRULLI DAS AUTO VERLIERT!
hahahah :D Wünsch dir nnen ähnlich Guten Rutsch, wie Trulli ihn hatte, Kollege :D@@9ninetysix6
@@FrittenFriseurLPs Danke, dir ein frohes Neues ^^
I love it when people say "This is what F1 used to be"... lol... they were concentrating on a battle for 9th place people.... during a time when Ferrari would dominate, they won 15 out of 19 races that year... You see the same battles today, F1 isn't any worse than it's ever been, the racing is actually good and the qualifying times from 3rd to last place are crazy close during a normal weekend...
Yeah, you see the same battles today... except with garbage like DRS, ugly cars and engines that sound like a vacuum cleaner.
that lucky strike livery was classic
This is trulli exciting.
This was joy to watch back then
where are those good old times with loud engines???