Yeah, I don't think ScrapMan knows how long range/heavy bombers work. 😂 I guess Trailmakers kinda "broke" him in that regard. He should probably try playing something like WarThunder in his off time to get a feel of how those types of planes... "plane".
In larger planes, aerodynamically you can't bank a turn at that speed, or at that angle. It's the same as to why a jet fighter can't turn as quick at high speed, the air basically prevents it. If you're going to take harsh turns you need to use more Yaw too. Other than that, love what this game is becoming
You should try to make a functional catapult with the gears. Not exactly sure how you would store the rotational energy but there's probably a way to do it with the flex beams. (maybe make a rope of chains?)
Yeah seriously, you have to basically not understand how planes work to think it's going to be stable at a 90 degree bank. Only very small, very fast craft can pull something like that off and they have to use the rudder as an aileron.
@@UnknownZYX_4085 I feel like thats where the gears idea came from. Seeing one of ScrapMan's videos that had the car with gears. Dev probably went "Huh. I could add that. Easy"
There was a question on r/trailmakers about the next 5 years in trailmakers and what we thought it would look like. I think the devs should use the engine in Instruments of destruction to make Trailmakers 2.
@@afoxwithahat7846 How are you so sure that this game uses Unity? It is a powerful engine, and is entirely capable of something like this, but the physics doesn't match what I would expect for Unity, it also doesn't have the same weird stability problems as I'm used to when it comes to Unity's physics engine.
@@nikkiofthevalley Nah, I follow the developer, IoD is made in Unity. They have a heavily customized physics engine, however. It is abased off of Unity physics, but with lots of work put into the destructibility.
If Microsoft flight simulator has taught me anything it’s that when turning, stay level with the horizon line and rotate at a 30 degree angle to turn. I haven’t really made it far into it and that’s basically the first thing it teaches you
The physics are actually very realistic. In real life, a normal plane will fall out of a sky if you tried to fly it sideways. Try only turning at 45 degrees or less and it should work much better.
I think the problem you've faced throughout the video ( the aerodynamics feeling weird when you roll and try to turn) could be explained by the wing placement. I think it might be too far forward. I don't know much, but I think you might get better results if you bring it and its propellers back a bit.
it's mostly because those "wings" aren't wings, the way they are coded is basically just that : if [go fast] = true then add [lift] all the wings do is check if the plane is going fast in the direction they are oriented in, and generate lift based on that. there is no simplified aerodynamic simulation going on like in trailmakers , it's boiled down to as stupidly simple as it can get for the sake of not overloading the CPU.
It’s also caused due to speed. The plane is stalling out when it turns to the side which means that it’s a mixture of speed and not getting enough lift when it’s on its side.
Scrapman: when it's horizontal it fine but when it terns or roll it doesn't know what to do Me:you literally going 90⁰ degrees side ways and its stalling
leave it to ScrapMan to figure out how to build a bomber plane in Instruments of Destruction 😂 well done. though I feel like you missed a perfect opportunity to add a squeaky toy noise to the impact at 16:23 as well as a Delayed Annihilation at 16:40
Ouhh they've actually done it. Created all these really cool Additions and their effects while keeping things simple. It's been really cool to this come along.
I think they added gears just bc they saw your video or something. tip: keep the roll at least 30 degrees more than that will have the risk of stalling
the devs should add a nuclear bomb as a final acheivment for completing the game. its like 4x3 and has to be armed first but when it makes contact or gets activated it makes a huge explosion, also maybe a mini nuke that still has a pretty big explosion but not as big.
The gears are super useful for adding more tension and power, I can finally make bigger hammers with less flopp and more power. Also, I recommend going into the menu, for this map when testing out flyers, just clicking "Delete Structures" SWIVELS HAVE A LIMITED ANGLE MODE, AND CAN RETURN TO CENTER. BRUH
The reason the aircraft is slipping and skidding in banks is because the vertical stabilizer is not large enough and not back far enough. Coupled with the weight of 4 “engines” causes the nose to drop as soon as you exchange vertical lift for horizontal lift. A proportional rudder to the craft is always important. It affects stability in loops and turns and stalls immensely.
This update looks amazing. And your plane too :) For the idea with gears, gyros, etc - how about something like mechanical model of solar system - Orrery? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrery - maybe using gyros to 'cheat' planet/moon rotation on free spinning mount and using gears just to take care of rotation relative to sun / planet?
You basically built a bomber, bomber planes have multiple engines and don’t like pitching when they are sideways, fighter planes usually have 1 engine and are very maneuverable
You need to work on your dive bombing technique. You're lacking the dive part which is understandable seeing how you've built a medium sized bomber frame. Basically go up a bit higher and come down on it a lot more. But that aside, I'm wondering if you'd be able to make a ground skip bomb. Normal skip bombs were skipped on the surface of the water into dams or ships. But I'm wondering if there's something like suspension wheels or just suspensions that can be tacked onto a bomb that you could use to bounce a warhead along until it hit a building. Also, you should see about making a cluster missile with the new parts. I look forward to it.
you could make a drone with the gyroscope,oh and by the way,you may wanna have it be single engine if you want it to be controllable,4 engine aircraft are usually just bombrs
It doesn't look like the plane is being subject to aerodynamics, which essentially means instead of your plane gliding, its simply being pulled faster than its falling.
2:16 DID WE JUST GET A BRAND NEW MEME MAN WURD!?!?!?!? (if it's not brand new please notify me as I may have a reddit account but I do not use reddit often)
Dude…. this is literally what have been asking Trailmakers devs for…. 🤯 They’re watch TM livestreams. Have to be. Drivetrains and scalable wheels. I was trying to make a working drivetrain in Trailmakers for my Jeep builds on Xbox. I talked to the devs on a livestream about it. Same stream, I asked for scalable wheels too, and stronger wheel connections for off road rock crawler builds.
Hey ScrapMan, remember that flat block you showed us today, that it seemed small at first ,but you could then stretch it a lot however you wanted? How about using that to make actual wings, so you can have an actually functional plane?
Scrapman comes in at a 10° dive angle and says "I'm dive bombing" Me at any angle less then a 75° angle bere minimum "I'm coming in to shallow for this to be considered a dive bombing run" Me coming in at an 89.9° angle "this is a real dive bombing run" followed by me hitting a bullseye on my target
Hi @ScrapMan, i want to request you to make a SCI-FI Looking Fighter Jet that can shots Laser, Gun, and Launch Missile Amazingly, Please it's going to be great 🤩
Day 84 of Asking scrapman to make a Machine that make that uses the steal balls and magnets to make the steal ball orbit around your creation with out any thing touching them and try to take out a building with it in instruments of destruction
Hey! Early to one of your videos atlast, I love the content and love the way you make your videos. Keep up the good work! Yours Sincerely Nobody (cody)
I wish you could color the parts. There is a bit too much yellow in this game and I find it very confusing. By color I mean set default colors, and have color schemes that can be pasted on objects.
When you roll 90 degrees you are losing all lift. That’s why you can’t turn and start dropping out of the sky. This is normal in a plane with so little power to weight.
![Thousands of Dummies Were Harmed in The Making of This Video... [Instruments of Destruction]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/UfLvPsKOjCg/mqdefault.jpg)
![Thousands of Dummies Were Harmed in The Making of This Video... [Instruments of Destruction]](/img/tr.png)
I like how ScrapMan builds a four engine bomber and expects to control it like a single engine fighter
true
Yeah I was thinking about that
Yeah, I don't think ScrapMan knows how long range/heavy bombers work. 😂
I guess Trailmakers kinda "broke" him in that regard.
He should probably try playing something like WarThunder in his off time to get a feel of how those types of planes... "plane".
@@Petq011 and it could help him learn how to bomb as well
@@keterclassscenario6404 True 😂
In larger planes, aerodynamically you can't bank a turn at that speed, or at that angle. It's the same as to why a jet fighter can't turn as quick at high speed, the air basically prevents it. If you're going to take harsh turns you need to use more Yaw too. Other than that, love what this game is becoming
You should try to make a functional catapult with the gears. Not exactly sure how you would store the rotational energy but there's probably a way to do it with the flex beams. (maybe make a rope of chains?)
"It definitely seems to be more stable in the horizontal position"
Yeah that's why big planes usually don't fly at a 90 degree angle
Yeah seriously, you have to basically not understand how planes work to think it's going to be stable at a 90 degree bank. Only very small, very fast craft can pull something like that off and they have to use the rudder as an aileron.
You can try to build a drone with the propellers and gyroscope! That might be really cool to see!
yeah i had that thought too
A helicopter might work to
God these guys are just pumping out updates so fast
prob bcz of the creations that others make
yea
*This guy, pretty sure he's a solo developer lol which is even more nutty
@@jordanabandana8299 no way, is there really only one guy working on this.
@@UnknownZYX_4085 I feel like thats where the gears idea came from. Seeing one of ScrapMan's videos that had the car with gears. Dev probably went "Huh. I could add that. Easy"
There was a question on r/trailmakers about the next 5 years in trailmakers and what we thought it would look like. I think the devs should use the engine in Instruments of destruction to make Trailmakers 2.
Unity 2019? Really?
@@afoxwithahat7846 How are you so sure that this game uses Unity? It is a powerful engine, and is entirely capable of something like this, but the physics doesn't match what I would expect for Unity, it also doesn't have the same weird stability problems as I'm used to when it comes to Unity's physics engine.
@@nikkiofthevalley quick Google search?
@@nikkiofthevalley Nah, I follow the developer, IoD is made in Unity. They have a heavily customized physics engine, however. It is abased off of Unity physics, but with lots of work put into the destructibility.
i tought this was made by one dev but he is pumping out content like he is an entire company
If Microsoft flight simulator has taught me anything it’s that when turning, stay level with the horizon line and rotate at a 30 degree angle to turn. I haven’t really made it far into it and that’s basically the first thing it teaches you
The physics are actually very realistic. In real life, a normal plane will fall out of a sky if you tried to fly it sideways. Try only turning at 45 degrees or less and it should work much better.
It’s like those seed pods in the beginning, just the way it spreads out, super satisfying.
I think the problem you've faced throughout the video ( the aerodynamics feeling weird when you roll and try to turn) could be explained by the wing placement. I think it might be too far forward. I don't know much, but I think you might get better results if you bring it and its propellers back a bit.
it's mostly because those "wings" aren't wings, the way they are coded is basically just that :
if [go fast] = true
then add [lift]
all the wings do is check if the plane is going fast in the direction they are oriented in, and generate lift based on that.
there is no simplified aerodynamic simulation going on like in trailmakers , it's boiled down to as stupidly simple as it can get for the sake of not overloading the CPU.
It’s also caused due to speed. The plane is stalling out when it turns to the side which means that it’s a mixture of speed and not getting enough lift when it’s on its side.
The problem is actually the vertical stabilizer. It does not have enough authority causing it to slip in turns.
Scrapman: when it's horizontal it fine but when it terns or roll it doesn't know what to do
Me:you literally going 90⁰ degrees side ways and its stalling
And also his wings is all at the front which makes it front heavy
But I have to say though... That plane acts a lot more realistic than I expected it to.
In IRL flying they stay under a certain roll angle because even real planes can't stay up flying constantly at 90°
Really cool stuff! I wish Scrap Mechanic would update this quick.
when scrapman was landing the plane all i could think about was the scene in madagascar 2 with the penguins trying to land the plane
Scrapman pls make a bomber ace
Make a B-52
He should make a b29 or b17
b-2 spirit
No make the btd6 BIG PLANE
He should make a pby Catalina
leave it to ScrapMan to figure out how to build a bomber plane in Instruments of Destruction 😂 well done. though I feel like you missed a perfect opportunity to add a squeaky toy noise to the impact at 16:23 as well as a Delayed Annihilation at 16:40
Ouhh they've actually done it.
Created all these really cool Additions and their effects while keeping things simple.
It's been really cool to this come along.
I thought this was trailmakers at first. And the idea of drivetrains sounded interesting.
Cool vid!!
I think they added gears just bc they saw your video or something.
tip: keep the roll at least 30 degrees more than that will have the risk of stalling
That is actually really close to actual aerospace physics.
Please revisit your tank design with the new gears! Would love to see how it turns out with these new parts.
the devs should add a nuclear bomb as a final acheivment for completing the game. its like 4x3 and has to be armed first but when it makes contact or gets activated it makes a huge explosion, also maybe a mini nuke that still has a pretty big explosion but not as big.
The gears are super useful for adding more tension and power, I can finally make bigger hammers with less flopp and more power.
Also, I recommend going into the menu, for this map when testing out flyers, just clicking "Delete Structures"
SWIVELS HAVE A LIMITED ANGLE MODE, AND CAN RETURN TO CENTER. BRUH
You basically build a WW2 bomber...You also could have saved a lot of time by right away building the same controls a plane has...
The drivetrains have a setting to limit how far it rotates, and maybe one for it to return to the center. You could use those as the wing flaps.
The reason the aircraft is slipping and skidding in banks is because the vertical stabilizer is not large enough and not back far enough. Coupled with the weight of 4 “engines” causes the nose to drop as soon as you exchange vertical lift for horizontal lift. A proportional rudder to the craft is always important. It affects stability in loops and turns and stalls immensely.
You should make tank tracks using the gears, and maybe the drive train.
This update looks amazing. And your plane too :) For the idea with gears, gyros, etc - how about something like mechanical model of solar system - Orrery? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orrery - maybe using gyros to 'cheat' planet/moon rotation on free spinning mount and using gears just to take care of rotation relative to sun / planet?
It's normal for a plane to fall when rolling 90° to one side or the other: you loose 100% of the lift.
You basically built a bomber, bomber planes have multiple engines and don’t like pitching when they are sideways, fighter planes usually have 1 engine and are very maneuverable
Congratulations on making an amazing plane👍🏼
16:20 missed opportunity of using "Delayed Annihilation" here 🤔
15:18 Scrapman: BANZAI!!!!
This is so good that I thought the thumbnail was from trailmakers!
You need to work on your dive bombing technique. You're lacking the dive part which is understandable seeing how you've built a medium sized bomber frame. Basically go up a bit higher and come down on it a lot more.
But that aside, I'm wondering if you'd be able to make a ground skip bomb. Normal skip bombs were skipped on the surface of the water into dams or ships. But I'm wondering if there's something like suspension wheels or just suspensions that can be tacked onto a bomb that you could use to bounce a warhead along until it hit a building.
Also, you should see about making a cluster missile with the new parts. I look forward to it.
I'd love to see an episode of this game about WWII style Bombers.
Is so close! Besiege 2.0 is almost back!! Im so exited, this is only the beginning
I like how the IOD devs are keeping up with the updates so well
15:15 you are the bullet
The devs are pumping out updates so fast I don't think they even test them. This update was so jank
those landings at the end were beautiful
15:14 *Imperial Japanese Army March plays*
Hi I love your videos they have been helping me get through some hard times so thank you so much.
This game is getting CRAZY!! (as if it wasn't insane enough) Love the update!
16:19 that's what they call a Immelmann turn
"There is only one thing to add... WEDGES." Scrapman 2022
you could make a drone with the gyroscope,oh and by the way,you may wanna have it be single engine if you want it to be controllable,4 engine aircraft are usually just bombrs
It doesn't look like the plane is being subject to aerodynamics, which essentially means instead of your plane gliding, its simply being pulled faster than its falling.
hey ScrapMan, you should try to build a fighter jet/bomber
2:16 DID WE JUST GET A BRAND NEW MEME MAN WURD!?!?!?!? (if it's not brand new please notify me as I may have a reddit account but I do not use reddit often)
16:40 you could say that was some... DELAYED ANNIHILATION!
It might be fun to build the creations of "South Park".
You could start with the giant pyrotechnic snake.
There's a lot to choose from.
Dude…. this is literally what have been asking Trailmakers devs for…. 🤯 They’re watch TM livestreams. Have to be. Drivetrains and scalable wheels. I was trying to make a working drivetrain in Trailmakers for my Jeep builds on Xbox. I talked to the devs on a livestream about it. Same stream, I asked for scalable wheels too, and stronger wheel connections for off road rock crawler builds.
16:36 Does it count as a Delayed Annihilation™?
Smoothest landing I've ever seen you do, in any game 👍
Hey ScrapMan, remember that flat block you showed us today, that it seemed small at first ,but you could then stretch it a lot however you wanted? How about using that to make actual wings, so you can have an actually functional plane?
Do they factor into the aerodynamics calculation?
Looking forward to actual helicopters with these pieces.
Little flier on recoil thrust or/and a single forward propeller might be interesting...
congrats on 750k subs!
Upgrade this plane. Two rows of bombs that fall in a stagnating pattern, fold the front wheels up. You got a good bomber
Gears will allow to make gear ratios to either increase torque or speed, I hope to see some in this game
11:53 Imagine this is a pilot's last words
12:38 also this
I would like to see a air ship build
I think it would be interesting to see a vtol craft made in instruments of destruction.
scrapman make a fighter jet please
Scrapman comes in at a 10° dive angle and says "I'm dive bombing"
Me at any angle less then a 75° angle bere minimum "I'm coming in to shallow for this to be considered a dive bombing run"
Me coming in at an 89.9° angle "this is a real dive bombing run" followed by me hitting a bullseye on my target
16:36 thats how the towers fell
Hi @ScrapMan, i want to request you to make a SCI-FI Looking Fighter Jet that can shots Laser, Gun, and Launch Missile Amazingly, Please it's going to be great 🤩
16:36 , definitely a delayed annihilation, like come on haha.
Scrapman make attack plane with the largest cannon you could fit inside
Cant wait to see builds using these new blocks
3:01 me when I wake up 😂💯
I think it would be cool if you built a fighter jet with thrusters and wings and added guns and rockets possibly figure In A gyroscope.
scrap man have you noticed your like the only BIG instruments of destruction youtuber
Designing planes in a game with no proper aerodynamic is sure a challenge
Maybe you're supposed to put some angle of attack in the propellers
16:30 delayed annihilation
see how fast you make something spin using the gears and maybe put a lot of bombs on top of the last and make the release from the structure
Imagine when the physics and parts are updated where you can have an aircraft carrier and battleships
10:04 *can opens*
scrap man: *see's a creative sandbox game* i should make a airplane(s)
teardown had an update
Day 84 of Asking scrapman to make a Machine that make that uses the steal balls and magnets to make the steal ball orbit around your creation with out any thing touching them and try to take out a building with it in instruments of destruction
you should try making an ornithopter
7:11 time stamp for a 9/11 joke
When this game first came out, it was somewhat limited with what can be done. Now their seems to be no limits. What's next? SPACE?
i have no idea if this is right but maybe it cant fly too well because of the propellers being made of the smaller control surface wings
Hey! Early to one of your videos atlast, I love the content and love the way you make your videos. Keep up the good work!
Yours Sincerely
Nobody (cody)
I wish you could color the parts. There is a bit too much yellow in this game and I find it very confusing. By color I mean set default colors, and have color schemes that can be pasted on objects.
BTW - I haven’t fully experimented with this game so there may already be options for this. I’m not sure 😅
The thing I want most for scrapman to do is build a WII bomber like a b-17 or b-29
You should have used s delayed annihilation at 16:40
When you roll 90 degrees you are losing all lift. That’s why you can’t turn and start dropping out of the sky. This is normal in a plane with so little power to weight.
You can always increase the accuracy of being able to hit your target just by... dropping MORE BOMBS!!! >=]
gotta make a stabilized manned drone like the one you have in trail makers!
I think the next reasonable thing to do is break the sound barrier
also i think scrap should make a heavy bomber that drops a few big bombs.
I think you should try kerbal space program