Subaru Outback 2.5 vs XT 2.4 Turbo
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- Опубликовано: 4 сен 2024
- In this video I share what the differences are between the Subaru Outback 2.5 and the XT 2.4T turbo engine.
While they appear the same from the outside, there are many differences between the Subaru Outback 2.5 and XT.
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2.5 for me, I drive too many miles to give up that reliability. I've had too many friends with turbo subaru engine failures. 2.5 is rock solid. These aren't race cars, 2.5 is plenty of power for what the car is. I'll roll 190k miles this week in my 2016 2.5 without a hiccup. Onyx 2.5 is next in line if I can find one when the time comes.
No turbo is the way to GO!!! Thank God I got 2.5 outback
@@7thheaventruth Yeah, I ended up buying a 2020 premium 2.5. Found a good deal on it. I've put 40k miles on it already and my 16 is now at 202k. : ) I just drive it on weekends because all my work stuff takes up a lot of space. I just put new front sway bar links and the upgraded steering rack bypass spring in it over the weekend and it feels excellent. Still all original wheel bearings, ball joints, springs/struts, tie rods. The build quality on these is surprisingly good. I'm hoping the 2020 holds up as well.
@@vr6muppet OMG great to know I just got my 2024 Outback on Dec 17th 2023 3 weeks ago Am a 1st time Subaru owner I was very worried making the deal cause am 55 and I want this outback for many yet to come Thanks for all your info
How many friends is too many?
Alex. Besides the boost when needed, no one talks about Onyx front facing camera that is greatly appreciated on close front manuvering. Also the XT has a high torque transmission that is markedly different from the one in the 2.5.
Ive had 3 Outbacks, 2 with the 2.5 and the year+ old '22 with the 2.4 DIT. Phenomenal drive system! Hope i never have to go back.
The difference in mileage is minuscule for the difference between the two.
Tho i liked the 2.5 I'd never driven the 2.4.
Anyone undecided should drive both before deciding IMO.
In your experience with both, is the XT quieter road noise wise? We are currently leaning toward XT Limited or Touring but haven’t driven the non XT. We did drive a Forester 2.5 before the Outback Touring XT and noticed a different but not sure if that’s a model difference or 2.5 v 2.4.
I've had a helluva time deciding between a Forester and a Outback. I like the Forester for its value, higher seating position and incredible visibility and I like the Outback for its overall comfort/ride quality and of course the turbo engine. I actually ordered a 2023 Forester Touring at the beginning of Oct but I canceled it 3 weeks in and switched to the Outback Onyx XT. As a lifelong driving enthusiast and a previous WRX owner, I knew I wouldn't be satisfied with the 2.5 and the Outback Onyx is the least expensive way to get the 2.4 turbo. I certainly didn't want to spend this much, but I am getting the VIP program price and a $750 loyalty discount, so I'm paying about $37k, including $800 in accessories...not too bad! I'm glad I changed my mind before it was too late.
Hi Alex. Thanks for the video. Subaru Australia has just released details about our 2023 Outback line up. The exterior has not been updated but we will now get the 2.4 litre turbo. Power output is 183kW and 350 Nm. These are down 10kW / 25 Nm on the US model. Though our towing capacity for the turbo is 2400kg/ 5300lbs. 240 kg tow ball down load. XT is available on midspec Sport and top tier Touring models.
Purchased a 2022 Subaru OB Touring XT a few months ago and drive it to Canada from No. California. 2300 miles round trip.
28.2 mpg. Turbo was nice when passing big trucks. Adaptive cruise control worked very well. I like that the speed limit is posted next to the speedometer--while in BC, the car converts the metric to miles per hour and posts so it is easily seen.
I found the driver's seat uncomfortable with my bad back and bought a seat "wedge" that fixed that problem nicely.
Alex, thanks for your videos. I just brought home the Touring XT this week , and was using your videos as a source of info to make my purchase. When I showed up at the dealer I was even informing him about features he was not aware of such as the secret PIN number access . Thanks again!
Congrats on the Outback, Greg! Glad I could help
I just bought a second hand 2008 2.5 outback and we love it.
Alex, glad your back making videos. BTW, there is a visual 'tell' on the front of the Outbacks. On the 2.5L cars, the top section of grill (above the badge) is filled in solid. On the XT's that area is open and ducted (via ducting on the underside of the hood) to the intercooler.
Great point! I never thought to mention that
2020 Outback Touring. The RAB did save me recently. Moving over to end space to avoid door dings. Bright sun and low ballard post. Ford Excursion has audible rear park sensors.
I wish they come with Forester moon roof, most Subaru visiting lot of parks and forest, it’s unfortunate you can’t look up.
Would be cool to have the pano moon roof for sure
@Dan Ek, you are right. I like the moon roof to go to the 2nd row..That's why I am looking at the Ascent.
Get the XT! Mines arriving late November right in time for the winter 🎉🎉🎉
Great review. I still lean towards the Touring XT.
I bought a 2022 Subaru Outback Touring but the car is still on the ship from Japan and will arrive in Sydney Australia in 2 months. I’ve been driving European cars my whole life then decided to go for a Subaru. Best decision ever because this car is an absolute pleasure to drive. It’s extremely comfortable and spacious. The XT turbo version will arrive in Australia sometimes next year so I’ll test drive that one and see if I want that extra kilowatts/horsepower.
Same here! I drove VW for most of my life and in recent years switched over to Japanese cars. Still love my VWs but the maintenance cost was no fun 😂
@@alexpmo same here Alex! I’ve been driving Volkswagen and Audi my whole life but like you said the maintenance is costly and their not ideal for long trips and out backing. I went out backing with my Audi A3 but with bumpy roads the gears were struggling to change. I’ve paid for my 2022 Subaru outback Touring and hopefully will arrive soon. Just want your opinion in regards to the turbo version of the outback… Will it cost more to maintain? And is it worth it paying extra $10K more for the turbo power?
I have a 2021 Legacy Touring XT and at the time I bought it the dealer only had that model. In retrospect wish I'd shopped around other dealerships to get a Limited with the 2.5 and without moonroof, navigation and Driver Focus package. While the brown nappa leather interior is beautiful and the ventilated seats are nice and the turbo is fun sometimes, I don't think they were worth an extra $5,500. Plus the better MPG would be helpful right now. So yeah, if I were shopping for an Outback I'd get the naturally aspirated 2.5.
Love my 2.5. A turbo in a kid cruiser was unnecessary for our situation and a bit of a hindrance with the CVT.
Thank you Alex. With the 2024 Outback Touring...is the an option package WITHOUT the moon roof. Thank you very...your videos explain many things.!
You're welcome! No, the Touring comes standard with a moonroof and now the Limited also comes standard with it.
Thanks for an honest review on the differences, I enjoyed this video.
We have a ‘22 XT Touring. And, it really bugs me that Subaru decided to not make any exterior differences between the two. I really wish they incorporated a hood scoop like the older XTs had. I think it makes a huge difference in the appearance of the vehicle. I think the XTs (non Onyx or Wilderness) should have different rims, grill and actually have dual exhaust tips. I know why they keep them tucked under - for better a departure angle. But…certainly there’s something that could have been done. I have many issues with the car, exterior appearance aside. It is quick though. And, more fun to drive than the older ones.
I agree the turbo should have a hood scoop but, btx autodromo does have a good hood with the scoop for a healthy $1400 much cheaper than my fozzy’s autodromo which will run me 2k 😭
The wheels are slightly different style and size. Hard to tell if unaware
We Love my wife’s 19 Outback. Yes it’s GUTLESS and only 29-30 on the freeway with the cruise set on 75mph.
In 1990 when I bought my new Honda with a 4cyl and a 4spd automatic transmission, I got 33mpg on the freeway. Granted my Honda was not an AWD.
Subaru’s are known to run Forever, but they’re pricey with the maintenance.
It is as expensive to maintain a Mercedes as it is to maintain our Outback.
I was going to replace my Rav 4WD Limited (when it wears out) with a Forester Touring, but I think I’ll buy a Toyota Venza instead.
I put my wife in a 2020 XT Onyx after she had a 2016 Premium. The 2.5 liter is SO DAMN SLOW. Merging on to the freeway is an exercise in hope you don't get Peterbilt colonic. I'd go so far as to say the base engine is unsafe and should be avoided.
The Subaru infotainment system is so bad I wouldn't get another one. This is sad, because it is an awesome car otherwise. We routinely go places where we are only limited by the traction of the tires. Her next set will be Falken Wild Peaks and I look forward to a lot more fun.
Oh. The other car in front of our house is a Kia Stinger GT1.
Curious. What do you not like about the infotainment system. In the age of Apple Carplay and Android Auto, nav, music etc. pretty much comes from the smart phone and the big screen on nav using Apple Carplay to me looked way better than 7 or 8 inch screens
Hi, Alex. I ordered my 2023 Touring in July. I am on pins and needles waiting for it to come. This is my first Subaru, I've been driving a Honda and Nissan. I have enjoyed watching your videos, you provide excellent information.
That's exciting! I'm right there with ya. Eagerly waiting for my Outback to arrive!
Subaru, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEEEEEEEASE:
- XT with 6-speed manual
- physical buttons, smaller screen
- Legacy Wagon (lowered Outback without plastic cladding.)
oh come on, they'll never have a manual. why do people still ask this? for fun or something?
@@superset5 They have 6-speed manuals in the WRX. Some of us would like one in a Legacy XT or Outback XT.
@@dr.a.w i agree
In Australia, these are approx $60000 on the road, and apparently require high octane fuel. Amazing the difference in global markets. Also, we don't get the Wilderness option on either the Outback or Forrester.
We, like you...went for the 2.5 Touring. It seems fine for driving every day and our plans are not to tow, just bicycles. Great review...thanks
Great choice!
You neglected to mention that the XT has dual exhaust tips whereas the 2.5 has a single tip.
Forgot about that one!
Always enjoy and learn from your content. I have the 2021 Onyx and love it. Easily enough room for a family of 4 with an 8yo and 5yo. Before the Onyx, I have only owned Toyota trucks and 4Runners. Hope to keep my Onyx for years to come. Thanks for all you do to share Subaru knowledge, tips and tricks with everyone
Thanks for watching! The Onyx is great! 😃
@@alexpmo thanks
Can we get an update on where you’re at as far as receiving your Outback?
Should be here in the next 2-3 weeks 🤞
@@alexpmo Congratulations 👏🏾. A VIN has already been assigned to mine and just waiting on it to be sent over
@@alexpmo how exciting!
Does the XT Outback have dual exhausts? Thank you for your videos.
Yes
the xt onyx is great...only bad design is the info system...mpg mostly hwy around 27.5-30mpg...it can dip if conditions not perfect.
The XT has the side protector. at @1:35, the four models you are using to compare are 2023, while the two white cars you have are 2022... so none can be referenced.
Subaru needs to bring back the Forester XT!
Agreed! Should have been on the Wilderness
We should really be getting the Forester STi. It's beautiful and only available in Japan for 2022.
there are color matching trim pieces on the XT doors but not on the 'regular' one.
The XT looked a lot longer side by side. Is that just visual illusion?
We want a 2024 White Outback Touring... but my wife absolutely hates the black bumper stripe that runs from the headlamp down to the bumper on the 2023 Outbacks. It's particularly visible from the side on the 2023 Outbacks. I've read some reviewers call it a "dripping eyeliner" effect. Is there an option to order a Touring with the front bumper of the Wilderness? Love your posts, Alex. And we love our two Foresters. Hoping the 2024 Touring's change the bumpers a bit.
The 2.5 has a 60 front/40 rear split for awd power where as the XT has a 45f/55r split. XT also has a VTD front differential, where as the non turbos have a Multi-Plate Transfer Clutch system. I too will be getting a Onyx Non-Turbo this year. The XT version wasn't worth the extra $5k since Subaru didn't upgrade the CVT to the new SPT version. I also didn't need the sunroof, nav, etc.
I actually had no idea they were different. Good to know!
Hi Alex! Thank you for this video!I just want to know that which one will cost more if the engine needs to be repaired! XT or the normal one?Thank you again!
The turbo will be more for maintenance
When I asked a Subaru service tech recently if they had a strong opinion either way about the 2.5 or the 2.4T, they said yes but noted they could say both were good engines with proper maintenance. Personally they then noted they opted to buy a vehicle recently that had the 2.4T. Hint hint. That is all I needed to hear.
The 2.4T is enjoyable to drive. I had a tough time trying to decide between the two options.
As an engineer I deal with piston engines for aircraft in our production a lot. Turbo charged engines by design are going to require more maintenance and have more complexity but they give you that kick and extra HP. Also when you go to higher altitudes (5000 feet plus), the Turbo takes away the decrease in power you'd get with normally aspirated engines. But maintenance and reliability wise it does not make sense that Turbo engine would be better. May be there are specific issues in this line.
@@abidfarooqui4899 Ya 2.5 for long term ownership I bet is easier on the wallet compared to the 2.5
I got the 22 legacy before they released the XT…..I’ve been kicking myself for not being patient
Love the info about Subies… I have a outback xt turbo.
Thanks! It's a great car
Hello Alex
Your videos are excellent. I have a 2022 touring and would like to learn how to display what my altitude is.
No Turbo is not best bet!!!! Thank God I have the 2.5L none Turbo I have less worry’s for the many years to come
My 2022 Outback Limited XT has only 900 miles. First turbo car for me and I am now not a turbo fan. Test drove a 2.5 OB and thought it was a nice smooth feel. Then drove the XT and was impressed by the obvious power difference. I did not think the 2.5 was underpowered until I drove the XT - I still don't. The 2.5 is certainly adequate. However, living in the Sierra, I thought the XT would be better for the hills.
The big difference, in my opinion, is the turbo's lack a linear accelerator pull. Hit the pedal on the XT and zoom, you are gone. The turbo makes optimizing throttle response nearly impossible whereas the non-turbo follows the command on your right foot in a predictable manner.
Can't do anything about the $45k turbo choice now, so i just try and ignore the jerky throttle response. Averaging 23.4 mpg, less than the 29 mpg window sticker claim. Perhaps the 3.6 would provide the extra power and be more linear in acceleration. Had I known the XT was getting
Good thing you didn't drive the 3.6R, you'd be like me, Subaru doesn't make a car that I would buy anymore.
Gonna keep my 3.6 till I die.
The gas pedal feels jerky because it is your first boosted Subaru. Try different drive modes, put the gear selector to the left ( manual mode) and see how incredibly linear the car accelerates with little rpm change.
All turbos are like that. There is a slight lag for the boost to build. Electronic tricks can try and make it more linear using the computer. Maybe they will play with it and come up with new firmware to make it a bit more linear. Turbos in general never produce linear power
Real world gas mileage will vary dramatically. My XT averages 18.1 but I idle excessively. I test drove 3 2.5 Outbacks before my purchase that all averaged between 26 and 28
Alex, do you know why touring models have an issue with the "keep your eyes on the road" alarm continuously beeping? Is there a fix for this yet. Please help it's making me want to trade my 2021 in for Something else.
I have a 2011 outback that struggles when I hook up my empty 300 pound trailer runs the tack to 3000 rpm. Is this something related to the CVT?
What motor? My FGs 2014 2.5 is gutless with 4 people in it a and gear. I hate it compared to my 2.4.
Can you get either one in an manual transmission?
Is there a road noise difference between XT v 2.4?
Can you adjust the auto headlight sensitivity on a 2022 Outback? If so, can you please make a video?
as a subaru, i can assure you that there are no differences, you're just imagining it. theyre exactly the same
Hello Alex. I guess we're looking to buy a 2018 outback. It doesn't have the eyesight option which my wife really wants. Is it possible to add after market. Or dealer add on.
Good video. I have question if I drive mostly highways at 80 mph. Do you think the non turbo will have the power for highway driving at 80 mph
The turbo option will have more torque at any speed but this will be felt less at higher speeds in either one. I personally have the 2.5 non-turbo and have no issues at 80 mph 😁
Uhhhh did anyone notice the mouse at : 0:58?
lol I can't tell if that was a mouse or a piece of garbage. Let's go with mouse😂
Hi Alex, the XT models have just been released in Australia so I am looking to get rid of my Ford tow car but want to know any experiences anyone has towing. As I have a Glastron 225 bow rider boat on a tandem trailer which will almost reach the maximum tow limit when fueled & loaded. Cheers Bruce ( South Australia)
Why can’t they offer the turbo in the forester? I know know they do in the Japanese market so why can’t they do this in the American market? I gladly would’ve upgraded.
This is message isn’t related to this video, but I have a question on my Subaru Crosstrek 2019 the radio panel went blank as well is the rear view camera. My battery had to be jump stated bc I left the inside light on all night, do you know if a fuse has to be replaced?
I have a question ? I my daughter has Foster 22 and this is the second time she nails in the tires. First time was at the dealership. 6 months later. This is 2nd time we have purchase new tires. Is there a tire u can recommend. 260 each can be costly. Help.
Can you please clarify the octane rating comment? The window sticker on my XT stated 91. But… the owners manual shows that is only necessary when towing. My “towing” will be a trailer hitch bike rack. Thanks
If towing is not 500+ LB you won't need extra octane, bikes and or using roof rack for things will be fine with regular; have towed small trailer with outback before, and also used it for Christmas tree transportation etc.
I needed the 3.6 / equivalent XT for rural work, towed a ton of wood stove pellets home.
9 months wait like the Forester ? 😂
Alex. Exactly what car did you buy. And how. I would like to get the same exact car as you and not pass that deal
I have the Outback Onyx 2.5 (the non-turbo option)
Speaking of tow hitches... WAAAAY backordered! I ordered and PAID FOR a tow hitch for my 2022 outback touring XT in southern california and 5 months later it still hasn't arrived and there is no estimated arrival date. So... Yea. WTF Subaru? If any dealers have this hitch and can get it to my local dealer, drop me a note.
Go buy one from Auto Zone. Reese and Draw Tite both make them. WAY CHEAPER. Bolts on just the same. And light harness - $35, plug and play. Stupid easy to do.
Great vid, thanks! I just sold my OBW for another car and I miss it. Looking into the onyx, but was not sure if the XT was necessary. Does the 2.5 drive like a complete dog, or?
Mine is good but I also drive with a heavy foot lol. Works for me and I'm perfectly happy with it. Especially with the savings
@@alexpmo Thanks, for the reply! I appreciate the insight and will definitely take the Onyx non XT for a test drive.
what about road noise. I heard the XT models are quiter?
I personally haven't noticed a difference between the two
Thank you.
at 2:34, you state that braking is set up for towing for the 2.4 XT - how is it different?
I LOVE my '21 Limited XT - still waiting for the backordered trailer hitch from the dealer , and while I agree that the CVT could be a lot better with acceleration, I can deal with it. LOVE this car!: I got 31MPG on a 580+ mile road trip (round trip) with the a/c on! Also have had 5 adults in it for longer trips with no complaints from the back seat!
Alex, for driving in the mountains, how big of a difference would the XT make?
The XT is supposed to perform better at higher elevation. However, I haven't personally tested this myself. My 2.5 Outback naturally aspirated did great in the Tennessee mountains.
@@alexpmo Thank you Alex! Those are the mountains I'm looking at. Tennessee and NC smoky mountains.
@@alexpmo Thank you Alex. As always, really enjoy your videos.
I've been trying to watch my driving and can only maintain 18 mpg on my xt lol I guess my foot is heavy
I got 26+ mpg on my 2022 OB onyx (XT) 80% of the time on highways.
Why does Subaru rank so low in reliability?
Still pluggin in the ipone i see. No wireless carplay?
Depends on the year and model you get. The 2023 outback, legacy, and Ascent have wireless CarPlay and now for the 2024 almost all models have wireless
I just learned that a new Subaru SUV is coming.
I wonder what that would be. Hopefully it will have a square trunk, as the usability was the reason for purchasing my Forester :)
it's just a rebadged xv
I'm surprised you didn't mention the XT has a different suspension.
As far as I know, the suspension is the same for the 2.5 and 2.4 XT. The Wilderness however (which also has the 2.4 XT) has different suspension.
The touring and touring xt use different struts/shocks/coils. I have a 2 touring 2024, one is a xt, one is not.
@@northernelevation76 this is news to me! I’ve never seen that mentioned anywhere by Subaru.
@alexpmo I haven't either, I thought maybe you have some inside info.
My rear strut on the xt needed to be replaced, they accidentally ordered one for my non xt (wifes car). They didn't realize this till I was there for my appointment. 20 minutes later they said surprisingly it dosen't fit and the xt has a different suspension.
Is this something you can possibly confirm? If confirmed what the difference is.
Am I the only one that saw that the XT had a door trim down the side? Was that a coincidence or is that an XT thing?
Just coincidence! That's an optional accessory you can get on any trim
I have a 2018 Outback 3.6R Touring. I’m crushed that Subaru discontinued the 3.6R Outback. It means my 2018 Outback will be my last Subaru. I will drive it until it falls apart, and if I live that long, I’ll have to see what else is on the market in a V6. What a shame.
❤ the XT
In a year the difference in mpg is negligible.
I'm torn between an outback touring 2.5 or 2.4 I drive about 210 miles a week and I feel like the turbo I would lose gas mileage living in WV we have a lot of hills. with my current legacy premium model I get around 28 to 29. although the turbo is fun, I just think it would cost more to fill up. what are you thoughts on it?
I went with the 2.5 for the exact same reason. I thought it was fun to drive the XT but not worth it over the long term. If you don’t plan to tow anything above 2700lbs, the 2.5 is the way to go in my opinion
@@alexpmo thank you! I hope you are able to take your outback home soon! Congratulations on the new ride! Love the white and black combo
I took the 2.5L and I have had the 2020 Outback (11k miles on it when I got it) but 2 weeks. I am seeing 32 MPG with the way I drive. The 2020 Onyx XT I looked at was nice but it had 25k miles, the guy had beat it up more and was a smoker. That kind of did it in for me even though both were same price.
hello...
2023 ONIX XT Vs WIKDERNESS? Thank u so much
WILDERNESS*
I'll work on a video for this!
@@alexpmo so nice!!!!🙏🏻💫
I wish the XT had a hood scoop…
It is worth leaving any question below if you don't answer questions posted a couple of weeks ago?
Is the Nav unit better than the 2018 issues ???
yes!
@@alexpmo My unit has been exchanged twice and still has issues in finding locations or not understanding the verbal input! I use the CarPlay as you suggested, but doesn’t show up on the display like it should and I believe it just gives the verbal commands. This is the only complaint with the car and gives great road access for photography trips!! $41k…WOW!
Get a Forester, just for the fact it's not a station wagon.
Dude, you have inventory? How is this even possible?
Well...we have a little bit of used inventory lol. Our new inventory is sold out but more are on the way!
The 2.4T/TR690 combo feels like the hardware is outrunning the software. Power delivery is inconsistent, and so is the faux gear shifts. The 2.5/TR580 is certainly a bit more refined and seems to work a little better together. Perhaps the refinements from the WRX will work their way over to other models.
I'd have to agree. I think with time the 2.4T will get better
The biggest difference, one is available in Europe, and the fun one is not.
What is Subaru going to do in 2036 when you can no longer buy a gasoline powered vehicle in CA, WA, and OR?
We have the Solterra coming out soon which is an EV. My guess is they will have EV alternatives to the existing models. Like an Outbacks EV and Forester EV.
@@alexpmo I hope so Alex, but our gasoline tax is what pays for our road, highway and freeway maintenance. So how are we supposed to pay for that when everyone is driving an EV?
@@Doc1855 oh don’t worry. State governments will collect their share of the road tax from EV’s through a special or separate EV registration fee through the DMV. Some states are also considering adding a road tax for public charging stations as well, but most EV users charge at home…
@@Embarrassed4U Yep, they’re reaping the harvest of their Left voting practices.
@@Marshdom3 I live in WA state and if you own an EV then every year when you register your EV they add an additional $250 a year to your reg.
In Oregon they charge you a tax that’s added to your registration for the amount of miles you drive.
Any puppy pix?
Hi Alex why does Subaru keep persevering with full gasoline engines in the Forester and Outback i was hoping by now they would have had at least a decent Hybrid version to compete with other manufacturers? They seem to be getting left way behind.
@@lilmont4502 EV's may or may not be the way of the future. Only time will tell.
love this
Excellent😀
this video is ONE YEAR old, and still NO XT in Europe. Subaru is quickly getting outdated here....
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I'll keep my 3.6R thanks ever so...
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Stand still while self filming. You are making me seasick!
Awful camera picture stretched
im only here because my wife wont let me get a BRZ
lol maybe the Outback XT is a good compromise. Would love to have both myself
Please don't use your fingers to point out things. It's not necessary and looks awful.