I know rugby refs aren't perfect all the time, but man i love how much respect they demand from the players and the way they conduct themselves. I really wish soccer/football had the same attitude towards referees and respect.
Solution to this is bring back proper rucking. Without it there is limited chance to regain possession unless you dislodge the ball or stun the carrier in the tackle. If the objective is ‘hit as hard and high as you can get away with’ instead of ‘bring the player down asap’ you end up with head shots
The clothesline tackles were all most deserving and where there was clear intention to hit someone in the head or spear tackle. But some of the tackles were just split-second mistakes which were purely accidental and no amount of legislation can prevent.
Has what a player said to the ref during the conversation EVER changed the outcome. “Oh, you make a good point there. As the ref, I hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps I should reconsider?” . If the players want to ref, then quit and take up refereeing.
it has but only ever if posed in a productive way, TJ Paranara who did such with Angus Gardner in 2017 and was correct and the referee (Gardner) corrected his decision bc it was done in a polite manor. Furthermore, I believe Super Rugby has introduced a "captain's challenge" rule where the captain can ask for a decision to be TMO'd and the referee (I believe) HAS to look at it, if the captain is wrong then they lose their challenge, if the captain is right then they get another. Again, this is all off of memory and I could very easily be incorrect
Surprised that Nonu actually was red carded, he tends to get away with those shoulder to the head moves, Solid player non the less, always enjoyed seeing him play.
I was at the game at 3:30 and I remember news reports about that red card (there was multiple that game) where they were saying is this really the soft future of rugby?
@@aaronleverton4221 Yeah such a poor take. I could be wrong but I feel like it was around 2013/14. I hope they wouldn’t have the same opinion today. It was the opening game of a new season so I think it was jarring for viewers
I agree. I remember watching this at the time and thinking it looked more like Conway landed on him. My wife, a munster supporter, of course didnt agree with me and I got a red card as well.
It should not have been Red. Yea the guy landed dangerously but he did jump in to James Lowe who was watching the ball the while time and did pull up towards the end. Thay are just freak accidents.
"Eyes for the ball" is not an excuse to endanger a player in the air. As the commentators said, it was reckless not to look. The red card was deserved.
@@thornevankol1504 realistically, he had no chance of getting the ball with the winger jumping in for it. Endangering the Munster (?) winger and causing the injury, it has to be a red
It might be an idea to ban jumping a yard in the air to receive the ball. It makes for a totally unstable situation with the slightest accidental contact dumping the receiver onto his head. It's not just a matter of who is in the right, it's cutting down on the number of situations of actual physical danger.
@@lesmondk3376 You're a dumb C..t: Wait until one of your mate lands up in a wheelchair because someone, including you, didn't understand the rules and consequences!
Football. Tap on the ankle and player reacts like he's been shot! Rugby NAH! Football. Red card. Player reacts like he's been shot! Rugby 95% of the time, no complaints and walks off. Which is why I watch Rugby and not football.
Feel like the Sam Warburton one could've gone either way tbh, it's hardly one of the 'most deserving' red cards. Not saying the ref was straight up in the wrong, but the fact that there's obvious debate just means it's hardly one of the 'most deserving'
If I remember rightly this was just after the governing body started to crack down on dangerous tackles. At the time he was one of the first to be sent off. Nowadays it does seem like it would be closer to a yellow but in 2011 I think that was the right call.
@@philsswweightlossdiary2944 I actually kind of think the opposite. With the new clamp down at the time yellow would have been expected (although red makes sense as part of trying to stamp it out of the game). I actually think now, given how he basically drops him so recklessly, it would definitely be a red by modern standards.
@@matthew3078 I think that’s fair. The reason I said it would be a yellow today is because you could argue he landed on his shoulders rather than head and neck. But either way he did drop him so it’s a reckless tackle. I do remember it was very controversial at the time.
@@philsswweightlossdiary2944 that's true though, I think the current reffing process is much more step-by-step/tick box-y, so they probably would focus more on the landing position, so it could well be yellow for some refs
So what happened was the directive went out to refs just prior to the tournament that tip tackles like that were to be punished with a red card except no one got one right through the tournament, only yellows had been issued. So by the letter of the new law, it was correct, but no one was expecting it. Wales should still have won the game and RWC 2011, mind.
2:28 Although it is not what the rules say, I believe it was the red player who performed the dangerous play. Jumping recklessly should not be allowed, he effectively kneed another player in the face who chose not to jump. The responsibility should be on the jumping player to not jump into someone who is competing for the ball. Tackling a jumping player should remain banned but this is not tackling
This is the thing I don't get in Rugby. Jumping to catch the kicked ball is the aggressive move. If two players are running for the same ball, which they can both legally catch and have clear benefit to doing so, and one of them makes the aggressive move to jump and the other does not then the player who stayed on the ground is almost certain to get a red card for undercutting the jumping player. Either play with almost reckless aggression or get sent off... Seems unplayable if you are pushing for every advantage the way you have to at a competitive level.
There is definitely an argument to support the point you make. Part of the issue is that it never looks good when a player on the ground makes contact with a player in the air - the player in the air invariably gets up-ended and the landings often look painful - this one's going to keep generating debate...
just wait till his toe touches the floor then hit as hard as you can - perfectly legal and very likely to win a turnover. Also, safe as less likely to hurt the guy in the air.
Yes you can do that and it Also keeps you safe as the tackler, you know (or should do) if you're not going to get to the ball .... BUT, some are a case of one player jumping forwards into you, what can you do then unless you can predict exactly what they are going to do before they do it? The player doesn't jump and easily takes the catch and offloads whilst you dither about not wanting to contest/jump for the ball. You contest the ball but the officials deem you're at fault when the defender jumps into you or contact in the air when there's a legitmate contest. You get beaten in the air the defender is then out of control due to their jump and catching the ball and has an awkward landing ... = red card for you!
Rugby should change the tackle laws. The tackler should have his hands infront of his shoulders before contact. That way all these shoulder charges will stop.
Don't follow to much rugby league but did the guy at 4:00 pay union for Wales as he reacted with the same shock all the Welsh team do when they commit foul play
Some of these incidents aren’t really deserving of a red card if you ask me. Some were mistakes and unintentional, they still should get red cards because it’s bad but it’s more like an unfortunate mistake.
and still we get butt hurt welsh folk claiming warburtons wasn't red. it blatantly was. he lifted then rotated the guy head down. i do enjoy watching hooper get some business, almost as satisfying as watching mccall get karma slapped
Honestly, quite a few weren't deserved. When it's unavoidable because both players are committed, what can they do??? It's bullsh*t with some of l those calls in all honesty
Thing is, Lozowski has just got away with a yellow for a very, very similar tackle in the last ten minutes of the premiership semi. Not arguing Ewels didn't deserve a red for this but the inconsistency in refereeing needs sorting out.
What’s the point of this comment. He’s not English so his English isn’t perfect, so what? Many people who don’t speak English as their first language find things like that confusing, why is that an issue?
@@toptenallsorts6854 how is someone speaking improper English funny? Why is making fun of someone for not speaking a language properly humorous? Don’t take up comedy if that’s the extent of your comedic genius
Yup, like you're supposed to bend the laws of physics both in being able to react instantaneously and stop all your momemtun going into a tackle spontaneously. A couple of accidental head clashes incl the last one were ridiculous
@@ynotnilknarf39 yes! Thank you! You are one of the few people who agree with me. When a 120kg person is running full speed and the attacking player slips or ducks when they're a metre apart. . . . There is nothing is not a defending player can do. You're 100% right
@@lesmondk3376 they're just enforcing dog turd laws people hwho are so woke to protect any contact whatsoever they fail to grasp how phsics and objects behave in our universe! Whilst protecting players is a good thing, there is a need to understand the difference between deliberate/reckless that sometimes just misses and gets a slap on the wrist and accidental were the defender (though can be the attacker) through no fault of their own due to the circumstances makes contact with an opposing player. People are saying go lower, yes, in some situations this effects a better tackle, particularly in league were up top tackling is the norm nowadays. However in union you get more concussions from tackling lower than going up top, this is a fact born out in research done in Australia. I'm an ex low grade second rower and flanker in union but also spent 25 years doing H&S assessments for the industry I worked in and looked at lots of other sports regards elf n safety, much of it is total bollocks as it ignores some very basic aspects of human psychology for one and laws of phsyics.
There is a section within the rules regarding “mitigating factors” for just the sorts of things you mention (reducing a red to a yellow and such like). Unfortunately there are plenty of officials who seem to overlook that aspect.
Exactly. If the various FAs want players to be role models and also have the best refs, they need to follow the likes of Rugby and Hockey etc. All are played at the same intensity, so no reason why they can’t show the same level of respect too. Grassroots refs are quitting all too often and the game will only suffer.
On 4:45 I can't see how the player in the white shirt is at fault. They both go to the ball together but the player jumps to catch the ball. The player in white has nowhere to go but is prnalised and sent off. Completely wrong decision.
3:31 - Nonu - The worse kind of thug there ever was, and he did this over and over and over... Who jumps into a tackle so that you can reach the face with a shoulder charge.. wow
Le rugby est en train de devenir comme le football (un sport ou tout s'arrête au moindre contact entre deux joueurs. Seul le grand Zidane ne tombais pas pour rien, lui c'est un homme. ) . Au rugby le contact, les bleus et les blessures font parti de ce sport. Aujourd'hui des qu'un joueur prend un bon gros caramel, le percutant prend un carton. Ah il est loin le temp des cathédrales et c'est bien dommages. Bientôt on va les voir jouer envelopper avec de la mousse .
Is it the job of Tomas Lavenini to put as many players in hospital as posable , the guy is dangerous to say the least , does he hold the record for the most red cards , he a crap rugby player so he must be there just to damage , he needs a good talking to by Retalic or AWJ .
I'm pretty sure (confirmed by Google) that the Ireland Argentina game (in the second clip) saw him go top all time for international cards. And the man's still in his 20s. He's a complete liability, how the coach will still select him is unbelievable.
I think a large part of the problem is that there is no mitigation for incidents that are dangerous but obviously accidental. There is a big difference between an accidental head clash and a player that leads with the head in to a collision. Likewise there is a big difference between a player that collides in the air as opposed to a player that is tackled in the air. If a player deliberately commits an illegal act that could or does result in severe harm to an opponent should be shown a red and the team should play with the penalty of one less player for the rest of the game. For an accidental act with a low degree of carelessness or recklessness perhaps there is a place for a lesser punishment such as the 20 minute red card. Any professional rugby referee with a reasonable amount of experience should be able to determine the degree of intent and culpability of the offending player. The number of red cards for accidental head clashes at the moment is just ridiculous. Instead of spending 10 minutes watching replays to determine point of contact and degree of danger just spend 1 minute deciding whether or not the player was committing a deliberate act and punish accordingly.
2:14 the leading arm is a stupid rule. Injury is unlikely even you run in it as a defender, all it does is prevent the big fellows from fending off defenders.
Absolutely agree! When you are the runner, you have the right to bump the tackler. If the tackler comes in high (chest height), he will get an arm on the chest or neck, and it is his own fault
The first one SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A RED BUT A YELLOW. There was head contact but the ref said that there was NO MITIGATED FACTOR, when in factor there was a major one the ref completely ignored which was the Hooper was already being tackled into the head contact with Hamish who was standing his ground. It was the person who made the first tackles on Hooper, cause the accidental head contact. A penalty or yellow card only. A red card is WAY TOO OVER THE TOP by the useless Aussie Gardener or Berry. They need to be fired and never allowed to ref every again.
Very disappointed that Sam Warburton’s tackle against Leclerc is included in this. It was highly controversial at the time. A yellow yes, but not a red.
What a joke some of those red cards are rugby netball can’t be bothered watching a lot of them games now. That’s why a lot of people are not going to the games now
Rugby is a badass sport, alright? I played football and american football and was always kind of a rather physical player (yeah, that's actually possible in football) but i would never play rugby, some of those hits would be nasty even with pad and helmet and i would not risk my health that way. So that being cleared, why does this badass sport have this pathetic sounding whistle and comically small cards? It's fucking weird.
Look at league they do tackles like this all the time do you see them complaining?,no they just get on with it union is turning into tiddlywinks now because of those softcock NH rules.Some deserve to be cards but they're going overboard now.Did soccer players make the rules up or something hahaha
there is nothing deserving on the card system it is killing rugby end of story, when a player fails to catch a intercept he gets a yellow yard!!! in rugby they tackle the crap out of one onother from the first day and look to compare american football, wrestle one another on the field and there is no cards being dished out
Yellow cards in union for failed interceptions is a disgrace and doesn't seem to match the laws of the game. Unfortunately in league you'll never ever see a penalty even when it's a clear knock down, this frustrates me just as much as the yellows in union. Laws and application of such can vary wildly and interpretation makes fans and players froth, particularly when that varies in a match by the same official for same infraction. Worse when one gets let off completely and another lesser gets blown for.
I know rugby refs aren't perfect all the time, but man i love how much respect they demand from the players and the way they conduct themselves.
I really wish soccer/football had the same attitude towards referees and respect.
J'étais jeune..
13 ans quand j'ai commencé le Rugby. 10 ans tant que numéro 8.
This sport teached me how to grow throu life .
To stay strong.
Solution to this is bring back proper rucking. Without it there is limited chance to regain possession unless you dislodge the ball or stun the carrier in the tackle. If the objective is ‘hit as hard and high as you can get away with’ instead of ‘bring the player down asap’ you end up with head shots
That first one on hooper was not worthy of red.
I love watching modern clips in 'fuzzyvision', oh especially when I've seen the majority of the clips multiple times elsewhere!
3:41 - the ‘hard done by’ look on his face in response to the Red was a little surprising, given the textbook clothesline he just pulled off. 🤷🏻♂️
The clothesline tackles were all most deserving and where there was clear intention to hit someone in the head or spear tackle. But some of the tackles were just split-second mistakes which were purely accidental and no amount of legislation can prevent.
Game has to evolve
I'm amazed at how the players get issued a red card and just walk off the field. No argument, no crying, no causing a fight.
In rugby you are seen as an aaaahole if you argue with the ref.
Has what a player said to the ref during the conversation EVER changed the outcome. “Oh, you make a good point there. As the ref, I hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps I should reconsider?” . If the players want to ref, then quit and take up refereeing.
it has but only ever if posed in a productive way, TJ Paranara who did such with Angus Gardner in 2017 and was correct and the referee (Gardner) corrected his decision bc it was done in a polite manor. Furthermore, I believe Super Rugby has introduced a "captain's challenge" rule where the captain can ask for a decision to be TMO'd and the referee (I believe) HAS to look at it, if the captain is wrong then they lose their challenge, if the captain is right then they get another. Again, this is all off of memory and I could very easily be incorrect
Surprised that Nonu actually was red carded, he tends to get away with those shoulder to the head moves, Solid player non the less, always enjoyed seeing him play.
He was a proper sly cheat. From memory this wasn't even a straight red but a second yellow, although I might be wrong.
He plays in the US now for a team called the Giltinis or something similar.
Blue card !
Action that not only contravenes Rugby law but also steps into assault, deserving the input of the police.
NZ already has blue cards, theyre for concussions
Lot of great advertising for The Bank of Ireland.
That's because you live in ireland🤦🏽♂️
One or two of those were pretty soft... others were brutal. I don't see how they can fall into the same category
As a former rugby player, I wish I hear '' YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THIS SPORT, GO HOME '', after a red card !
That first one was just a head clash
Tackle on Duane Vermeulen in RWC19 by Italy players. Legs lifted by two players and dumped straight onto neck. Horrific.
That was an absolute shocker. No mitigation at all.
What a beautyfull sport. And respect. 💪
3:30 not sure that's a red given what Fainga'anuku got away with on Mack Hansen
I thought I'd see SBW's brave tackle on Anthony Watson...
It’s like watching hockey on grass!
I was at the game at 3:30 and I remember news reports about that red card (there was multiple that game) where they were saying is this really the soft future of rugby?
Yeah, 'cause acquired brain and spinal injuries are how you prove you're not soft.
@@aaronleverton4221 Yeah such a poor take. I could be wrong but I feel like it was around 2013/14. I hope they wouldn’t have the same opinion today. It was the opening game of a new season so I think it was jarring for viewers
2:28 and 4:34 hardly a red. both going for the ball. 1 numpty decided to jump and nailed himself imho.
2:34 that’s not a red he had eyes for the ball
I agree. I remember watching this at the time and thinking it looked more like Conway landed on him. My wife, a munster supporter, of course didnt agree with me and I got a red card as well.
It should not have been Red. Yea the guy landed dangerously but he did jump in to James Lowe who was watching the ball the while time and did pull up towards the end. Thay are just freak accidents.
"Eyes for the ball" is not an excuse to endanger a player in the air. As the commentators said, it was reckless not to look. The red card was deserved.
@@thornevankol1504 realistically, he had no chance of getting the ball with the winger jumping in for it. Endangering the Munster (?) winger and causing the injury, it has to be a red
It might be an idea to ban jumping a yard in the air to receive the ball. It makes for a totally unstable situation with the slightest accidental contact dumping the receiver onto his head. It's not just a matter of who is in the right, it's cutting down on the number of situations of actual physical danger.
Far too many rugby players have never read the rules and those who have just don't understand them!
You're asking them to activate their brain cell
It’s rugby contact sport looking like netball that hooper one is just a joke so was the england one don’t play if you can’t handle it
@@lesmondk3376 You're a dumb C..t: Wait until one of your mate lands up in a wheelchair because someone, including you, didn't understand the rules and consequences!
Football. Tap on the ankle and player reacts like he's been shot! Rugby NAH!
Football. Red card. Player reacts like he's been shot! Rugby 95% of the time, no complaints and walks off.
Which is why I watch Rugby and not football.
some of those were shockers.
5:07 was a legitimate counter rucking clean out. The fact the guy was hurt is unfortunate but not a red card offence
Not true it was shoulder against head thats not allowed not like that not in a ruck not in a tackle
@@whatyoulookinat1095 Sorry mate. Didn't realise you were a millenial that awards trophys for losing. My bad you are 100%...no 110% CORRECT😒
2:05 is such a soft one
Feel like the Sam Warburton one could've gone either way tbh, it's hardly one of the 'most deserving' red cards. Not saying the ref was straight up in the wrong, but the fact that there's obvious debate just means it's hardly one of the 'most deserving'
If I remember rightly this was just after the governing body started to crack down on dangerous tackles. At the time he was one of the first to be sent off. Nowadays it does seem like it would be closer to a yellow but in 2011 I think that was the right call.
@@philsswweightlossdiary2944 I actually kind of think the opposite. With the new clamp down at the time yellow would have been expected (although red makes sense as part of trying to stamp it out of the game). I actually think now, given how he basically drops him so recklessly, it would definitely be a red by modern standards.
@@matthew3078 I think that’s fair. The reason I said it would be a yellow today is because you could argue he landed on his shoulders rather than head and neck. But either way he did drop him so it’s a reckless tackle. I do remember it was very controversial at the time.
@@philsswweightlossdiary2944 that's true though, I think the current reffing process is much more step-by-step/tick box-y, so they probably would focus more on the landing position, so it could well be yellow for some refs
So what happened was the directive went out to refs just prior to the tournament that tip tackles like that were to be punished with a red card except no one got one right through the tournament, only yellows had been issued. So by the letter of the new law, it was correct, but no one was expecting it.
Wales should still have won the game and RWC 2011, mind.
That first one was confusing. Not sure how that makes the list
2:28
Although it is not what the rules say, I believe it was the red player who performed the dangerous play. Jumping recklessly should not be allowed, he effectively kneed another player in the face who chose not to jump. The responsibility should be on the jumping player to not jump into someone who is competing for the ball. Tackling a jumping player should remain banned but this is not tackling
My gripe exactly. Jumping for a contested ball should be at their own risk and not a penalty against the grounded player.
The problem with that is the non-jumping player who is also a dirty cheat will see it as legalising tunneling.
This is the thing I don't get in Rugby. Jumping to catch the kicked ball is the aggressive move. If two players are running for the same ball, which they can both legally catch and have clear benefit to doing so, and one of them makes the aggressive move to jump and the other does not then the player who stayed on the ground is almost certain to get a red card for undercutting the jumping player. Either play with almost reckless aggression or get sent off... Seems unplayable if you are pushing for every advantage the way you have to at a competitive level.
There is definitely an argument to support the point you make. Part of the issue is that it never looks good when a player on the ground makes contact with a player in the air - the player in the air invariably gets up-ended and the landings often look painful - this one's going to keep generating debate...
just wait till his toe touches the floor then hit as hard as you can - perfectly legal and very likely to win a turnover. Also, safe as less likely to hurt the guy in the air.
Yes you can do that and it Also keeps you safe as the tackler, you know (or should do) if you're not going to get to the ball .... BUT, some are a case of one player jumping forwards into you, what can you do then unless you can predict exactly what they are going to do before they do it?
The player doesn't jump and easily takes the catch and offloads whilst you dither about not wanting to contest/jump for the ball. You contest the ball but the officials deem you're at fault when the defender jumps into you or contact in the air when there's a legitmate contest. You get beaten in the air the defender is then out of control due to their jump and catching the ball and has an awkward landing ... = red card for you!
Why is the man at 2.39 getting the redcard ? I dont get it
Rugby should change the tackle laws. The tackler should have his hands infront of his shoulders before contact. That way all these shoulder charges will stop.
Spear Tackles an Shoulder charges were once legal....
I still believe that an orange card should introduced for offences in which a yellow card isn't enough and a red card is simply too much.
Don't follow to much rugby league but did the guy at 4:00 pay union for Wales as he reacted with the same shock all the Welsh team do when they commit foul play
Why haven’t the power’s to be out lawed jumping for the ball, that would be a intelligent decision.
Some of these incidents aren’t really deserving of a red card if you ask me. Some were mistakes and unintentional, they still should get red cards because it’s bad but it’s more like an unfortunate mistake.
Endangering the safety of a player is what is focused on by officials
and still we get butt hurt welsh folk claiming warburtons wasn't red. it blatantly was. he lifted then rotated the guy head down.
i do enjoy watching hooper get some business, almost as satisfying as watching mccall get karma slapped
Should say rugby league and union. Just a suggestion
Honestly, quite a few weren't deserved. When it's unavoidable because both players are committed, what can they do??? It's bullsh*t with some of l those calls in all honesty
I agree but unlike soccer the players still respect the decision and don't argue
Strait arm to the throat or head should be red card. Plenty of these calls are not even a yellow. So I agree, not all should be red
Learn the laws of the game and stay within them like other professionals not that hard.
Tackle height, sort it and many of these would not have been an issue, high risk and reward, it's coached and is going to be a big issue a RWC.
It's reckless though...
Always wonderd who would get the red card here 2:48
C'est dommage d'utiliser des images de Rugby League pour ne jamais en mettre dans tes vidéos .
Ah si il y en a . Je m'excuse.
Now spotters are needed for soccer.
I don’t watch southern hemisphere much, and these are cherry picked lowlights of course, their fouls seem extra brutal and careless.
still no idea how ewels gets to play for england. That Ireland red should have been the nail in the coffin but he's been called up again
Thing is, Lozowski has just got away with a yellow for a very, very similar tackle in the last ten minutes of the premiership semi. Not arguing Ewels didn't deserve a red for this but the inconsistency in refereeing needs sorting out.
Because that's not how it works.
Frans Steyn " He bended". Lol. English is just not his thing. Gotta love him though. Absolute legend.
What’s the point of this comment. He’s not English so his English isn’t perfect, so what? Many people who don’t speak English as their first language find things like that confusing, why is that an issue?
@@tomgrantham8473 The point of this comment is pointing out a humorous situation that some may have missed. Whats the point of your comment?
@@toptenallsorts6854 how is someone speaking improper English funny? Why is making fun of someone for not speaking a language properly humorous? Don’t take up comedy if that’s the extent of your comedic genius
@@tomgrantham8473 You wouldn't catch the joke. You are not Afrikaans.
@@tomgrantham8473 Come on man. It was funny listening to Frans say that. It's just some humour and yes he's obviously Afrikaans so it's expected.
Some of these should be referred for assault charges jeeeeeeeze
And when the attacking player drops their head or slips last second, what can the defending player do??? A bit rubbish in some of these clips
Yup, like you're supposed to bend the laws of physics both in being able to react instantaneously and stop all your momemtun going into a tackle spontaneously. A couple of accidental head clashes incl the last one were ridiculous
@@ynotnilknarf39 yes! Thank you! You are one of the few people who agree with me. When a 120kg person is running full speed and the attacking player slips or ducks when they're a metre apart. . . . There is nothing is not a defending player can do. You're 100% right
@@thisisben3593 i agree these refs are a big fat joke on some of there calls
@@lesmondk3376 they're just enforcing dog turd laws people hwho are so woke to protect any contact whatsoever they fail to grasp how phsics and objects behave in our universe! Whilst protecting players is a good thing, there is a need to understand the difference between deliberate/reckless that sometimes just misses and gets a slap on the wrist and accidental were the defender (though can be the attacker) through no fault of their own due to the circumstances makes contact with an opposing player.
People are saying go lower, yes, in some situations this effects a better tackle, particularly in league were up top tackling is the norm nowadays. However in union you get more concussions from tackling lower than going up top, this is a fact born out in research done in Australia.
I'm an ex low grade second rower and flanker in union but also spent 25 years doing H&S assessments for the industry I worked in and looked at lots of other sports regards elf n safety, much of it is total bollocks as it ignores some very basic aspects of human psychology for one and laws of phsyics.
There is a section within the rules regarding “mitigating factors” for just the sorts of things you mention (reducing a red to a yellow and such like). Unfortunately there are plenty of officials who seem to overlook that aspect.
agree with most bar anything on Sexton, thats just satisfying.
Do not agree with 5:20, he was pushed of the ball from a standing position and the attaching player milked it. This is not soccer mate.
they still calling Lavanini for the pumas...
That one on Hooper wasn’t a red.
Most undeserving was the last, except perhaps because he was wearing Shite with a Red Rose, and we all know that makes a huge difference.
Football: *gets red card* whole team kick up fuss shouting at ref delaying play further
Rugby *gets red card* ite ima head out
Exactly. If the various FAs want players to be role models and also have the best refs, they need to follow the likes of Rugby and Hockey etc. All are played at the same intensity, so no reason why they can’t show the same level of respect too. Grassroots refs are quitting all too often and the game will only suffer.
Solution to mitigate all these problems. Remove the referees! There won't be any yellow or red cards. 🤣🤣🤣
On 4:45 I can't see how the player in the white shirt is at fault. They both go to the ball together but the player jumps to catch the ball. The player in white has nowhere to go but is prnalised and sent off. Completely wrong decision.
3:31 - Nonu - The worse kind of thug there ever was, and he did this over and over and over... Who jumps into a tackle so that you can reach the face with a shoulder charge.. wow
Nah.
Shocker....
You gunna have cry about it?
@@Cam-bv4ev nah. I dont cry about truth.
Definitely a red card. But Arendse did not take Barrett out on propose he was just in a bad place at the wrong time.
Le rugby est en train de devenir comme le football (un sport ou tout s'arrête au moindre contact entre deux joueurs. Seul le grand Zidane ne tombais pas pour rien, lui c'est un homme. ) . Au rugby le contact, les bleus et les blessures font parti de ce sport. Aujourd'hui des qu'un joueur prend un bon gros caramel, le percutant prend un carton. Ah il est loin le temp des cathédrales et c'est bien dommages. Bientôt on va les voir jouer envelopper avec de la mousse .
Le rugby doit établir ces règles pour protéger les joueurs. sans ces règles, nous aurons beaucoup de joueurs qui prendront leur retraite plus tôt
Is it the job of Tomas Lavenini to put as many players in hospital as posable , the guy is dangerous to say the least , does he hold the record for the most red cards , he a crap rugby player so he must be there just to damage , he needs a good talking to by Retalic or AWJ .
I'm pretty sure (confirmed by Google) that the Ireland Argentina game (in the second clip) saw him go top all time for international cards. And the man's still in his 20s. He's a complete liability, how the coach will still select him is unbelievable.
I think a large part of the problem is that there is no mitigation for incidents that are dangerous but obviously accidental. There is a big difference between an accidental head clash and a player that leads with the head in to a collision. Likewise there is a big difference between a player that collides in the air as opposed to a player that is tackled in the air. If a player deliberately commits an illegal act that could or does result in severe harm to an opponent should be shown a red and the team should play with the penalty of one less player for the rest of the game. For an accidental act with a low degree of carelessness or recklessness perhaps there is a place for a lesser punishment such as the 20 minute red card. Any professional rugby referee with a reasonable amount of experience should be able to determine the degree of intent and culpability of the offending player. The number of red cards for accidental head clashes at the moment is just ridiculous. Instead of spending 10 minutes watching replays to determine point of contact and degree of danger just spend 1 minute deciding whether or not the player was committing a deliberate act and punish accordingly.
The last tackle was no way a red card, yellow at worst. A referee stamping his authority on a game, and killing it as a spectacle.
Contact with head = reckless =red. The unions will get sued if they aren’t seen to do something to mitigate the dangers, sad but it’s the modern way.
2:14 the leading arm is a stupid rule. Injury is unlikely even you run in it as a defender, all it does is prevent the big fellows from fending off defenders.
Absolutely agree! When you are the runner, you have the right to bump the tackler. If the tackler comes in high (chest height), he will get an arm on the chest or neck, and it is his own fault
Rugby a sport where men are men but still respect the referees decision that's why its way better than football (soccer) .
You actually put that Sam Warburton tackle in? That was a penalty, yellow card at best. Even the ref came out to say it shouldn't of been a red.
The very first example was an accidental head clash!
First one on hooper not worth a red
I can't understand why such grown men would fight over a ball. Each one can buy his own ball and problem solved.
Or just take turns. “Sharing’s caring” and all.
Lmfaoo
Rugby has gone well soft.
Most deserving from a.netball point of view
That's why league is a tougher sport, Union has gone real soft.
The first one SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN A RED BUT A YELLOW. There was head contact but the ref said that there was NO MITIGATED FACTOR, when in factor there was a major one the ref completely ignored which was the Hooper was already being tackled into the head contact with Hamish who was standing his ground. It was the person who made the first tackles on Hooper, cause the accidental head contact. A penalty or yellow card only. A red card is WAY TOO OVER THE TOP by the useless Aussie Gardener or Berry. They need to be fired and never allowed to ref every again.
The Warburton red in the Semi final was never a red. Its soft in comparison to a lot. He went passed horizontal but he lands on his back.
He let go of the player as he was falling so it was reckless as well as dangerous. Unfortunate but the correct decision.
Very disappointed that Sam Warburton’s tackle against Leclerc is included in this. It was highly controversial at the time. A yellow yes, but not a red.
headclash red cards seems a bit much imo
Tackler has the choice to tackle low or high. Tackle low and you stay on the field, tackle high and you run the risk of the early bath.
Ball and all tackle is legit, going low equals even more chance of a concussion, or have you not watched rugby for more than 5 minutes?
What a joke some of those red cards are rugby netball can’t be bothered watching a lot of them games now. That’s why a lot of people are not going to the games now
Rugby is a badass sport, alright? I played football and american football and was always kind of a rather physical player (yeah, that's actually possible in football) but i would never play rugby, some of those hits would be nasty even with pad and helmet and i would not risk my health that way.
So that being cleared, why does this badass sport have this pathetic sounding whistle and comically small cards? It's fucking weird.
The Amor 1 isnt even close to being deserved, he hits the ball and then his arm bounces up.
They all looked ok, except the last one. I won't say that was dangerous or deliberate at all. Looked more like a hug.
After that tackle, James Ryan (the tackled player) had to go off with a concussion so it was worse than it looked
Some of these red cards are pretty weak...
Officials are out of touch with the game, saw it again the past weekend.
Rugby getting weak.. .most of those tackles dont deserve a red.
Look at league they do tackles like this all the time do you see them complaining?,no they just get on with it union is turning into tiddlywinks now because of those softcock NH rules.Some deserve to be cards but they're going overboard now.Did soccer players make the rules up or something hahaha
there is nothing deserving on the card system it is killing rugby end of story, when a player fails to catch a intercept he gets a yellow yard!!! in rugby they tackle the crap out of one onother from the first day and look to compare american football, wrestle one another on the field and there is no cards being dished out
Yellow cards in union for failed interceptions is a disgrace and doesn't seem to match the laws of the game. Unfortunately in league you'll never ever see a penalty even when it's a clear knock down, this frustrates me just as much as the yellows in union.
Laws and application of such can vary wildly and interpretation makes fans and players froth, particularly when that varies in a match by the same official for same infraction. Worse when one gets let off completely and another lesser gets blown for.
Sometimes our refs are excellent.
They should have a seperate league for all the gorillas..
昔はタックルでかち上げてぶっ倒すのがある意味ステータスというか相手へ精神的有利をものだったりしたんだけどな。