Sehr sauber und authentisch gesprochen. As a German who is interested in dialects and the evolution of the Roman and germanic languages I understand around 10 %of the Indo-European example, 30% of the proto germanic example , 50% of the proto west germanic , 70%of old high German and 100% of the Middle high German and German. Of course it's helpful to know the exact §1 of the human rights.
I understand German very well, although I am Dutch. - Proto-Indo-European: 0 %; - Proto-Germanic: 1 %; - Proto-West-Germanic: 10 %; - Old High German: 70 %; - Middle High German: 100 %; - German: 100 %. I don't always understand German for 100 %; sometimes I see a word I don't know. But from Middle High German and (nowadays) German texts in this video, I understand every word.
As a german that grew up speaking a flat german dialect, close to dutch, I Understood: - PIE 0 % - Proto-Germanic 5 % - Proto-West-Germanic 25 % - Old high German 80 % - Middle high German 100% (at least in this example, normally more around 80-90%) - New high German 100%
Naja, so ganz sauber und authentisch klingt das Neuhochdeutsche aber auch nicht. Es klingt ein bisschen "ausländisch", und das wird für die anderen Sprachproben auch zutreffen. Aber trotzdem: Ein sehr interessantes Video!
@@MTC008 North Germanic aka Scandinavian languages come from continental Proto-Germanic language and name of Germanics was *Þeudiskaz (> Deutsch, Dutch, Teuton), not late neonames like Swedes, Danes or something. Analytic Scandinavian languages also have 50% borrowed German vocabulary.
The word man is realy visible in proto west germanic, in old high german you can assume full Text, and middle high german no more confusion. But: In 1980s or 1990 i tried to read Niebelungenlied in Middle high german - for me Impossible.
No not at all. Half of the dutch speaking territiry in Europe has a soft G. In Belgium and below the rivers in The Netherlands. This is more authenthic and quintessentual Dutch. The hard "G" is more recent.
@@magical5181 yea shure the North of Brabant is not dutch lol. Now I know for shure your not from the soft G half Of the *Netherlands* lol. And even if I named teritory outside the Netherlands its stil part of the dutch speaking lands. In fact its more original giving the evolution of the language. I mean your just wrong.
as a gemran I started to hear smillar language at proto-germanic (allai for example alle). Proto-West germanic is much closer, but it really got clear when it switched to old german...
This makes me think there's a language between Proto indo European and Proto Germanic. If only one of the closely related sisters of proto Germanic survived so we can compare the 2 families and find the possible ancestor language. If you didn't know when Proto Germanic appeared there were several related Languages that had much of the Germanic similarities. Most died off because they got conquered and assimilated with the Germanic people. One theory is that Norse and Western Germanic are two different families but very closely related with the ancestor language being before Proto Germanic. one reason for the theory is old Norse appeared close to when proto Germanic appeared. A few hundred years off. Makes you think huh?
There are some reconstructions of so-called "Pre-Proto-Germanic", which is simply boundary between PIE and Proto-Germanic. Here is Schleicher's Fable in PPG (page 202): indo-european.info/a-song-of-sheep-and-horses.pdf. Unfortunately, I think that we will not be able to find possible closer relative of Germanic languages.
@@xBazyliszek the germanic siblings languages were annexed within the germanic people since the language was very close. That's most likely what happened
@@MrMorgan316 Old Norse was spoken more than 1 000 years after Proto-Germanic. Proto-Germnaic was spoken 500 BC in Southern and Central Scandinavia. Old Norse come from Proto-Germanic.
Of course, there is a language in between. Languages gradually change over time. It's not like one day they spoke PIE and the next day part of the population decided to suddenly change to PG. It's just arbitrary, which point in time you pick and emphasise which distinctive characteristics or changes the language has undergone at that point. At least, that's my view. I'm not trained in linguistics, though.
I can give you the approximate time spans. Proto Indo European ~4500-2500 BC Proto Germanic ~500 BC Proto West Germanic ~500 BC Old High German ~500/750-1050 Middle High German ~1050-1350
Na ja. Mein Deutschlehrer in der Oberstufe hat uns aus der Manesse vorgelesen und sich dabei beinahe die Zunge verrenkt. Ich habe dann in Basler Deutsch das gleiche nachgesprochen und es hat ziemlich gepasst.
@@AgentBloodsucker Look at some Spanish text and count how many words sound familiar and mean something similar, then look at text in Finnish, Kichwa, Xõo or any other non-indoeuropean language, do the same analysis and rethink your comment. It's not as similar as Dutch or French, but not too far either. Knowing both English and Spanish helps a lot with the vocabulary of French and German, as all these languages share not just Indoeuropean roots but also influence from each other's parent language (Latin, Old French and Proto-Germanic).
@@aylen7062 old French were Germanic people in my opinion and it’s more closely related to old Norman which is related to Norse and Finnish has no relation to Spanish either
Swiss German is Alemannic - and yes, they have not undergone some of the last vowel and consonant shifts. However, Middle High German is closer to German Alemannic than to Swiss Alemannic :) this is my native language.. I can understand middle high German just as well or badly as Swiss German
That's because Swiss German of the german dialects. It's basically German spoken with a Germanic accent. Standard German is ironically the least Germanic sounding of all the Germanic languages.
For a native speaker it is clear due to your pronounciations in the last part (german), that you are not native in german. I wonder how the pronounciations of the reconstructions might have really sounded like. I wonder if that "error" in pronounciation is accepted in the linguistics community, or if there are ways in phonetic transcription, which could help to pronounce it more like a native.
1:18 würde jetzt spontan sagen das bedeutet "Alle Menschen sind frei und gleich an Würde und Rechten geboren. Sie sind mit Vernunft und Gewissen ?giotag? und sollen einander in dem Geiste der Bruderschaft begegnen" Edit: Hab dann gesehen das es eh übersetzt wird😂🙋🏻♂️
You are aware that absolutely nobody knows how people pronounced the words back then? Old high german was spoken until around 1050 and middle high german until around 1350, there is no way anyone could give you a 100% correct pronunciation.
@@crowbarviking3890 I dont know what you want. Im german and i can tell you there was nothing wrong with his pronounciation in modern german. Who are you to tell with what kind of weird dialects people spoke thousand years ago? The guy in the video is polish, until the mid of the last century this guy was a part of the holy roman empire and he is 100% entitled to at least give us an idea of how it could have sounded.
@@crowbarviking3890 Halt mal die Luft an, man muss ja nicht gleich beleidigend werden. Deine Kommentare waren einfach dumm. Vor allem wenn du schon ein echter Deutscher bist, dann kannst du dir ja auch mal durchlesen wie die Buchstaben damals vermutlich ausgesprochen wurden. Ob es immer zu 100% stimmt ist eine andere Sache, vieles ist aber auch naheliegend. Anschließend kannst du die Sätze selbst lesen. Danach kannst du so wie ich zu Freunden und Familie gehen, den Satz auf Alt-Hochdeutsch vorlesen und schauen ob sie es verstehen können.
@@crowbarviking3890 Schön. War auf jeden Fall ne gute Idee deinen minderbemittelten Müll den du hier verfasst hast zu löschen, nur hast du den ersten Kommentar vergessen, der war am dümmsten. Das du mich nicht würdigst das ist mir gleich, du solltest dich aber selbst ein wenig mehr würdigen.
I find it so hilarious that these things are never spoken by germans nor that Germans really have that much interest and investment into their own language
In german w makes the "v" sound In old times w used to make the "w" sound but it disappeared and v makes "f" or "v" sound. Unfortunaly theres no more "þ" in german language
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@@martinranalli8572 Yeah, my apologies for that. English is not my mother tongue. Let me clarify, the first ones to settle in the British islands (on different points of time and areas ofc) were the Vikings (mainly Swedes and Danes), saxons located in todays central Germany and anglos who were closer to the current French border than the Saxons but still „central German“. All of them are Germanic tribes and originated from the same place and language family. If you were to look up old English texts and compare them to written modern day German or danish for example, you’d notice a lot more similarities than in modern day English and German/danish because back then English had not strayed away too much from the common rules of a Germanic language and generally kept to its spellings. England even got named the tribes of the Anglos, as the original name of Great Britain is Albion. Even the British royal family is ethnically German. Their actual family name is Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, a rather young branch of one of the two main German royal bloodlines. But after the First World War the royals renamed themselves into Windsor to not cause suspicion of the population for being named after their enemy or be associated with them at all. But now it rings the question, who do you assume to be „ethnically English“? Such an ethnic does not really exist, you’re either Germanic (ancestors are from one of the three tribes I’ve mentioned), or you are from another foreign tribe where a heir settled into England later, like the franks or the Romans. So I got to ask, which exact region are we talking about here? North western america? England?
Sehr sauber und authentisch gesprochen. As a German who is interested in dialects and the evolution of the Roman and germanic languages I understand around 10 %of the Indo-European example, 30% of the proto germanic example , 50% of the proto west germanic , 70%of old high German and 100% of the Middle high German and German.
Of course it's helpful to know the exact §1 of the human rights.
I understand German very well, although I am Dutch.
- Proto-Indo-European: 0 %;
- Proto-Germanic: 1 %;
- Proto-West-Germanic: 10 %;
- Old High German: 70 %;
- Middle High German: 100 %;
- German: 100 %.
I don't always understand German for 100 %; sometimes I see a word I don't know. But from Middle High German and (nowadays) German texts in this video, I understand every word.
@@HANSMKAMP iam sure that you can understand more of the proto germanic than 1%. Allai=all, manniz=man, frijai=free, geburanai=geboren= born etc.
As a german that grew up speaking a flat german dialect, close to dutch, I Understood:
- PIE 0 %
- Proto-Germanic 5 %
- Proto-West-Germanic 25 %
- Old high German 80 %
- Middle high German 100% (at least in this example, normally more around 80-90%)
- New high German 100%
Naja, so ganz sauber und authentisch klingt das Neuhochdeutsche aber auch nicht. Es klingt ein bisschen "ausländisch", und das wird für die anderen Sprachproben auch zutreffen. Aber trotzdem: Ein sehr interessantes Video!
@@grauwolf1604 Ja würde sagen entweder Bayer or Österreicher. Klingt auf jeden Fall nach süddeutschem Akzent.
Proto-Germanic sounds like some kind of mystical elf language.
It is hard to know exactly how it was pronounced, so it's open to interpretation. But it is a beautiful tongue.
german language may have probably descended from scandinavian languages
@@MTC008 North Germanic aka Scandinavian languages come from continental Proto-Germanic language and name of Germanics was *Þeudiskaz (> Deutsch, Dutch, Teuton), not late neonames like Swedes, Danes or something. Analytic Scandinavian languages also have 50% borrowed German vocabulary.
@@aboba5995 your explanations proves me right
Its is, the elfs just dont show themselves to you.
Das erste klingt halt wie ne mixture aus allen europäischen Sprachgruppen. Aber das wird auch daran liegen das es deren Ursprung war 😅
English when hearing Old English: _What_
Germans when hearing Old High German: Ah I understand
That's correct!
I understand it beginning from Proto-West-Germanic.
The word man is realy visible in proto west germanic, in old high german you can assume full Text, and middle high german no more confusion. But: In 1980s or 1990 i tried to read Niebelungenlied in Middle high german - for me Impossible.
No, not at all! Only with middle high german to some extend.
@@grauwolf1604hör doch auf dich selbst zu belügen
Da stimme ich zu!
The “g” sound of the older variants is really what we ducthies kept and evolved to an even harder tone
No not at all. Half of the dutch speaking territiry in Europe has a soft G. In Belgium and below the rivers in The Netherlands. This is more authenthic and quintessentual Dutch. The hard "G" is more recent.
You truly must not be Dutch or from the regions above Belgium and the Rhine river.
@@axolotl-guy9801 belgiums arent dutchies.
@@axolotl-guy9801 its pretty funny how you say “you must not be Dutch” and then talk about Belgium and Brabant which is basically Belgium 😂.
@@magical5181 yea shure the North of Brabant is not dutch lol. Now I know for shure your not from the soft G half Of the *Netherlands* lol. And even if I named teritory outside the Netherlands its stil part of the dutch speaking lands. In fact its more original giving the evolution of the language. I mean your just wrong.
Million Thanks for this Video. I am German and I Love the old German language so much. Love from Germany 😊
as a gemran I started to hear smillar language at proto-germanic (allai for example alle). Proto-West germanic is much closer, but it really got clear when it switched to old german...
this video has a lot of issues which would explain why
Beautiful reconstruction. well done!
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Ich bin Deutscher und Sprachen sind mein Steckenpferd. Wie sich meine Muttersprache entwickelt hat, einfach faszinierend! Könnte stundenlang zuhören 😊
This makes me think there's a language between Proto indo European and Proto Germanic. If only one of the closely related sisters of proto Germanic survived so we can compare the 2 families and find the possible ancestor language. If you didn't know when Proto Germanic appeared there were several related Languages that had much of the Germanic similarities. Most died off because they got conquered and assimilated with the Germanic people. One theory is that Norse and Western Germanic are two different families but very closely related with the ancestor language being before Proto Germanic. one reason for the theory is old Norse appeared close to when proto Germanic appeared. A few hundred years off. Makes you think huh?
There are some reconstructions of so-called "Pre-Proto-Germanic", which is simply boundary between PIE and Proto-Germanic. Here is Schleicher's Fable in PPG (page 202):
indo-european.info/a-song-of-sheep-and-horses.pdf.
Unfortunately, I think that we will not be able to find possible closer relative of Germanic languages.
@@xBazyliszek the germanic siblings languages were annexed within the germanic people since the language was very close. That's most likely what happened
@@MrMorgan316 Old Norse was spoken more than 1 000 years after Proto-Germanic. Proto-Germnaic was spoken 500 BC in Southern and Central Scandinavia. Old Norse come from Proto-Germanic.
Of course, there is a language in between. Languages gradually change over time. It's not like one day they spoke PIE and the next day part of the population decided to suddenly change to PG. It's just arbitrary, which point in time you pick and emphasise which distinctive characteristics or changes the language has undergone at that point.
At least, that's my view. I'm not trained in linguistics, though.
@@DdW85 The intermediate was spoken in The Nordic Bronze Age.
Delightful presentation!
FYI last picture is the old city of Rothenburg ob der Tauber in Bavaria Germany
From the sound the Proto Indo does sound like mixture of greek , arabic and norway
This went from drunk arabic, to swiss german and then finally to comprehensive german
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The earliest I could understand anything was with early high german
Cool. Root accent starting from Proto Germanic is missing. WIth that it would sound more familiar to Germanic speakers.
Es wäre schön gewesen, wenn man zu den Sprachen die entsprechenden Zeitdaten mit angegeben hätte
I can give you the approximate time spans.
Proto Indo European ~4500-2500 BC
Proto Germanic ~500 BC
Proto West Germanic ~500 BC
Old High German ~500/750-1050
Middle High German ~1050-1350
Na ja. Mein Deutschlehrer in der Oberstufe hat uns aus der Manesse vorgelesen und sich dabei beinahe die Zunge verrenkt. Ich habe dann in Basler Deutsch das gleiche nachgesprochen und es hat ziemlich gepasst.
Thank you!
as an german speaker, it's crazy how much i understood of proto-germanic proto-west germanic old high german & middle high german
Knowing english probably doesn't hurt either. You get both the germanic and latin streams of indo european to compare and contrast from.
Great video!
Very interesting. I do love your language, a very ancient one. Danke schoen.
Wow 😲 Danke!
I only speak English and Spanish and got
PIE: 0%
PG: 15%
PWG: 20%
MHG: 35%
German: 45%
I speak broken Vedic, hindi and english and got
German: 5%
PG 25%
PIE: 90%
English and Spanish have nothing in common
@@AgentBloodsucker Look at some Spanish text and count how many words sound familiar and mean something similar, then look at text in Finnish, Kichwa, Xõo or any other non-indoeuropean language, do the same analysis and rethink your comment. It's not as similar as Dutch or French, but not too far either. Knowing both English and Spanish helps a lot with the vocabulary of French and German, as all these languages share not just Indoeuropean roots but also influence from each other's parent language (Latin, Old French and Proto-Germanic).
@@aylen7062 old French were Germanic people in my opinion and it’s more closely related to old Norman which is related to Norse and Finnish has no relation to Spanish either
@@aylen7062 how come English doesn’t sound Latin ? And is labeled a west Germanic langauge then. Why haven’t they changed it yet?
Me as austrian i started understanding most things at the old high german 😊
I like that reconstruction.
Wonderful! 😊
The first one i think that i understand is old high german
Alle männer sind frei ...
Old German sounds like Swiss German 😂
Um die Zeit rum hatte sich die Schweiz ja auch von der deutschen Geschichte abgespalten.
Swiss German is Alemannic - and yes, they have not undergone some of the last vowel and consonant shifts. However, Middle High German is closer to German Alemannic than to Swiss Alemannic :) this is my native language.. I can understand middle high German just as well or badly as Swiss German
That's because Swiss German of the german dialects. It's basically German spoken with a Germanic accent. Standard German is ironically the least Germanic sounding of all the Germanic languages.
The last three parts of the video are very easy to understand for Dutch speakers
As a german I couldnt understand it until Old high german appeared. Then it clicked to me
i can start understanding a little at proto west germanic
Yes, there are many words common in West Germanic languages though they were affected by a lot of phonological changes.
@@xBazyliszek Es wird einfacher, wenn man Plattdeutsch kann.
The Getica written by Jordanes I understand much better than Proto Germanic, for instance.
For a native speaker it is clear due to your pronounciations in the last part (german), that you are not native in german. I wonder how the pronounciations of the reconstructions might have really sounded like. I wonder if that "error" in pronounciation is accepted in the linguistics community, or if there are ways in phonetic transcription, which could help to pronounce it more like a native.
It's really odd how most in these videos are native anglos. It's really frustrating as we can't make sounds we didn't grow up with.
1:18 würde jetzt spontan sagen das bedeutet
"Alle Menschen sind frei und gleich an Würde und Rechten geboren. Sie sind mit Vernunft und Gewissen ?giotag? und sollen einander in dem Geiste der Bruderschaft begegnen"
Edit: Hab dann gesehen das es eh übersetzt wird😂🙋🏻♂️
The pronunciation of the two last segments is off. Idk. Wouldn’t trust that this video is a good representation
Proto west Germanic sounds like a Drunken Italian talking Gibberish
You sound exactly the same
Final pronounciation is a bit off though. Gives me doubt if it also affected the rest.
You are aware that absolutely nobody knows how people pronounced the words back then? Old high german was spoken until around 1050 and middle high german until around 1350, there is no way anyone could give you a 100% correct pronunciation.
@@crowbarviking3890 I dont know what you want. Im german and i can tell you there was nothing wrong with his pronounciation in modern german. Who are you to tell with what kind of weird dialects people spoke thousand years ago? The guy in the video is polish, until the mid of the last century this guy was a part of the holy roman empire and he is 100% entitled to at least give us an idea of how it could have sounded.
@@crowbarviking3890 Halt mal die Luft an, man muss ja nicht gleich beleidigend werden. Deine Kommentare waren einfach dumm. Vor allem wenn du schon ein echter Deutscher bist, dann kannst du dir ja auch mal durchlesen wie die Buchstaben damals vermutlich ausgesprochen wurden. Ob es immer zu 100% stimmt ist eine andere Sache, vieles ist aber auch naheliegend. Anschließend kannst du die Sätze selbst lesen. Danach kannst du so wie ich zu Freunden und Familie gehen, den Satz auf Alt-Hochdeutsch vorlesen und schauen ob sie es verstehen können.
@@fruits_punch_samurai_g Dich würdige ich keiner Antwort mehr.
@@crowbarviking3890 Schön. War auf jeden Fall ne gute Idee deinen minderbemittelten Müll den du hier verfasst hast zu löschen, nur hast du den ersten Kommentar vergessen, der war am dümmsten. Das du mich nicht würdigst das ist mir gleich, du solltest dich aber selbst ein wenig mehr würdigen.
Sounds more like Scandinavian!
some words lost vowels like Gewissen
Yes, it is very typical for Germanic languages
Naja, das Neuhochdeutsche klingt ein bisschen "ausländisch". Das wird auch für die vorhergehenden Sprachproben zutreffen. Aber, ein guter Versuch!
Vielleicht ist der Sprecher aus Polen.
Der Text erinnert mich eher an den Chemieunterricht 🤣 "h2égoyh1nt" oder sooooo....
I find it so hilarious that these things are never spoken by germans nor that Germans really have that much interest and investment into their own language
I'm German and the moment of understanding starts at 1:31. Anything before sounds like someone speaking german backwards
All men are free and equal...
fajny kontent
Pre proto germanic?
I wonder where they take proto indi european from like is there a writing or iys fantasy lol
Danke schön! 👍
Das letzte ist die beste! ❤💛
Zrób ewolucję języka islandzkiego i szwedzkiego
Pomyślę jeszcze. Być może zrobię coś o ewolucji języków skandynawskich.
@@xBazyliszek do hindi. Your video will go viral in india.
@@abhinavchauhan7864 For now I don't have enough materials for this.
@@xBazyliszek 😢
@@abhinavchauhan7864 RUclips='ERHARD LANDMANN'
Proto-Indo-European looks like a chemical formula.
Proto-Germanic and Proto-West-Germanic sound nicer than modern day "deutch."
Dude the first image was like a math problem
You mean text?
1:09
Modern German is prettier
Por algum motivo, o proto-germânico me lembra turco.
So proto-Germanic had no v sound.. neither did ancient Greek or Latin… so when did v enter European languages?
In the most of cases /w/ turned into /v/, but in Greek /v/ came from /b/.
@@xBazyliszek Thank you!
With the Roman Empire. The v is the same u and they pronounced it like u in some context.
RUclips='ERHARD LANDMANN'
In german w makes the "v" sound
In old times w used to make the "w" sound but it disappeared and v makes "f" or "v" sound.
Unfortunaly theres no more "þ" in german language
I could understand it in P.I.E.!
As a turkish i liv in germany and i really very a little understand what he say
What?
Arabic or German?
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Sounds indo-Iranian.
jetzt ist die Deutsche sprache türkisch
Are ethnically German people genetically connected to modern ethnically English people?
English people are ethically German
@@linnevea Do you mean ethnically?
@@martinranalli8572 Yeah, my apologies for that. English is not my mother tongue.
Let me clarify, the first ones to settle in the British islands (on different points of time and areas ofc) were the Vikings (mainly Swedes and Danes), saxons located in todays central Germany and anglos who were closer to the current French border than the Saxons but still „central German“. All of them are Germanic tribes and originated from the same place and language family.
If you were to look up old English texts and compare them to written modern day German or danish for example, you’d notice a lot more similarities than in modern day English and German/danish because back then English had not strayed away too much from the common rules of a Germanic language and generally kept to its spellings.
England even got named the tribes of the Anglos, as the original name of Great Britain is Albion.
Even the British royal family is ethnically German. Their actual family name is Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, a rather young branch of one of the two main German royal bloodlines. But after the First World War the royals renamed themselves into Windsor to not cause suspicion of the population for being named after their enemy or be associated with them at all.
But now it rings the question, who do you assume to be „ethnically English“? Such an ethnic does not really exist, you’re either Germanic (ancestors are from one of the three tribes I’ve mentioned), or you are from another foreign tribe where a heir settled into England later, like the franks or the Romans.
So I got to ask, which exact region are we talking about here? North western america? England?
They did not come from caucaucuses they went past there and came to Germany they were near eastern s
Why not read the old versions as normally as the Modern Standard German?
Yeah why is that
Why tf did i read the Middle-High German one in a thicc Bavarian accent? 💀😂🤣
That's accurate though 😊
It sounds Assyrian like near eastern that's why I believe what philidelphia church says Germans are
servant of Ishtar/Freya? greetings from Germany.
Alle unde what mune uko friche and frillo come tns ssf
und heute VALLAH DIGGA AMK YARAK! 😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
😂
die Sprache ist weicher geworden.