Agree every point you made but still not with `clearing the hand before hip turns`. I do have the left hand at the position at 5:43, but I also turn my hip first which initiates the turn of my trunk, and then my shoulder hence left hand turns to that position in sequence. Thru video, it hard to tell if these happen simultaneously or one after another, but they do happen in chain of sequence, just to quickly so that hard to tell via video. I can feel them happen in this sequence because when I do it in my usual proper way, I can feel the left waist (not sure about the muscle name) got fully stretched out when I turn my hip first, which it then "throws" my upper trunk to rotate. If I try to clear my left hand first by turning shoulder, I don't get the feeling of the stretch and cannot get the power from the hip turn.
The left hand-arm is important. Keeping it out of the body at the start of the movement is going to make the rotation faster when moving it closer to the body later in the swing. Also pulling the arm closer will pull/rotate the chest to the left, which will load the right pectoral muscle, thus increasing power to the stroke.
You are 100% spot on! Was going to comment the same until I saw yours…😊 One thing I’d like to point out: I think this must be an older video with Holger because I’ve noticed a slight difference on how he uses that left hand now: he actually pulls in very aggressively, with palm facing up, pinky against the chest. (The Japanese call this “hikite”… martial arts stuff) Anyhow, by pulling in that quick and so close to the body, it will promote a nice body rotation. My kid has this issue where she “waves to the crowd” with left hand but (!) she keeps it out too far on the left preventing full body rotation. We are actually working on that right now…. BTW: Ryan analyzed her technique, received some awesome feedback from him… 😜
@@tesladiesel2420 Interesting points! From what I see Ryan does a good job analyzing and also interpreting biomechanics into useful tips. It’s a hard task to make complex things accessible in a few words. Good luck with the forehand … it’s so rewarding when it’s all coming together!
You are absolutely right. People crying about your “obsession” about the left hand do that because they know they don’t pay attention to it and don’t have to capacity to do so. You absolutely have to pay attention to the left hand to stay above shoulder level and also not let go too early of the racquet. I practiced this thousands of times on the court or at home shadow-swinging and it became a subconscious muscle memory now. It improved my forehand a lot. It also will make your forehand look a lot more professional.
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Love the video! It helped me improve my forhand technique a lot even though I thought I had perfected it. Can you make a similar video by comparing the backhands of two different players?
Hi Ryan, what do you use to analyze 2 videos side by side? I see you can pause one or both and can even draw things. Good video. Rune struggles from not having the arm at 90 degrees. The wrist has radial deviation. Common issue in throwers. Happens to compensate the elbow not being bent enough. Hard to get leverage.
"I'm sure I'm wrong on other things" that was my favorite part of the video... Also is Holger's more jagged shape created by the lower hand on the turn?
Hi Ryan, can you do a video on the modern forehand where if you believe that setting the racquet should occur on the side like federer, or can it set back toward the back fence like djokovic, not sure if you’ve already made that video. Thanks
@@2MinuteTennis where it’s positioned. Not the strings pointed I’ve heard that one talked about that it’s not necessary. But I’m curious if it’s better to set it on the side instead of further behind, thanks
@colinbyer3018 one is only better as a point of personal choice. Fed would hate Djokovic’s forehand. And Novak would hate to use fed’s forehand. I would only say players can practice both types and see how their both likes it. Both work…
@@2MinuteTennisI had someone argue that it’s inefficient to set the racquet behind and that’s it’s far more efficient for it to be on the side. Would you disagree with that?
@@2MinuteTennis so basically, if I understood correctly, when you say that Roger had a very big lag it's kind of this: if we had a side view from his right, we would see the hand more or less aligned with the body and the racket way behind, more towards the back fence. Am I right?
Precisely the reason why Alcarez already won two GS. Great players have beautiful moves which look effortless. This in the long run save energy and bring them to the top.
But Alcaraz dosen't have the raquet complete loking at the sky like what you said as Rune!¡ He has the raquet as an intermediate pointing to the sky and to the opponent
I think people come at you about your fixation on the left hand because you shouldn't be focusing on your left hand when hitting a forehand. It's more of an unconscious movement. If you're focusing on your left hand while performing the swing in a fraction of a second, you're fucked. Besides, players like Federer often keep the left hand level while hitting the forehand, not necessarily rising.
So when people drop the L arm and they end up basically hugging themselves, I should just ignore it because I don't want them to focus on it? Without the L hand moving correctly it stops them from turning their hips and their consistency suffers greatly,
Federer does still tuck in his left hand like every pro. If people do this wrong you need to focus on it for a while until you get used to it at which point you don't have to think about it (this is how it always goes when adjusting technique).
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetento both you and the original commenter you can say that about literally anything on the forehand. Yeah when you’re a pro and you got muscle memory you can’t be thinking about any technique but When you’re developing the shot you have to think about it, so I don’t get what the point is here
Such a fun video Thanks coach!
Thanks so much Jeff!
Agree every point you made but still not with `clearing the hand before hip turns`. I do have the left hand at the position at 5:43, but I also turn my hip first which initiates the turn of my trunk, and then my shoulder hence left hand turns to that position in sequence. Thru video, it hard to tell if these happen simultaneously or one after another, but they do happen in chain of sequence, just to quickly so that hard to tell via video. I can feel them happen in this sequence because when I do it in my usual proper way, I can feel the left waist (not sure about the muscle name) got fully stretched out when I turn my hip first, which it then "throws" my upper trunk to rotate. If I try to clear my left hand first by turning shoulder, I don't get the feeling of the stretch and cannot get the power from the hip turn.
The left hand-arm is important. Keeping it out of the body at the start of the movement is going to make the rotation faster when moving it closer to the body later in the swing. Also pulling the arm closer will pull/rotate the chest to the left, which will load the right pectoral muscle, thus increasing power to the stroke.
You are 100% spot on! Was going to comment the same until I saw yours…😊
One thing I’d like to point out: I think this must be an older video with Holger because I’ve noticed a slight difference on how he uses that left hand now: he actually pulls in very aggressively, with palm facing up, pinky against the chest. (The Japanese call this “hikite”… martial arts stuff) Anyhow, by pulling in that quick and so close to the body, it will promote a nice body rotation. My kid has this issue where she “waves to the crowd” with left hand but (!) she keeps it out too far on the left preventing full body rotation. We are actually working on that right now….
BTW: Ryan analyzed her technique, received some awesome feedback from him… 😜
@@tesladiesel2420 Interesting points! From what I see Ryan does a good job analyzing and also interpreting biomechanics into useful tips. It’s a hard task to make complex things accessible in a few words. Good luck with the forehand … it’s so rewarding when it’s all coming together!
Alcaraz's forehand reminds me of Federers and Rune's forehand reminds me of Delpo's.
Great analysis👍
Hey thank you so much!!!
Rune's forehand is very different from Delpo's imo.
You are absolutely right. People crying about your “obsession” about the left hand do that because they know they don’t pay attention to it and don’t have to capacity to do so. You absolutely have to pay attention to the left hand to stay above shoulder level and also not let go too early of the racquet. I practiced this thousands of times on the court or at home shadow-swinging and it became a subconscious muscle memory now. It improved my forehand a lot. It also will make your forehand look a lot more professional.
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Love the video! It helped me improve my forhand technique a lot even though I thought I had perfected it. Can you make a similar video by comparing the backhands of two different players?
ruclips.net/video/O1Ocpts-u6k/видео.htmlsi=sFSZP-pI38r_HH_H
I’ve made many backhand comparisons as well. Just type in the RUclips search “2minutetennis backhand comparison”. You’ll see them. Thanks!
Hi Ryan, what do you use to analyze 2 videos side by side? I see you can pause one or both and can even draw things.
Good video. Rune struggles from not having the arm at 90 degrees. The wrist has radial deviation. Common issue in throwers. Happens to compensate the elbow not being bent enough. Hard to get leverage.
Hey thanks so much. Get the app OnForm for your phone. It allows you to make the same videos I make. Thanks!
@@2MinuteTennis Thanks!
Is the left hand going across , and “ waving”, is that the reactive break” that’s often talked about?
Yep! Exactly right.
"I'm sure I'm wrong on other things" that was my favorite part of the video... Also is Holger's more jagged shape created by the lower hand on the turn?
Yes. exactly right...
Hi Ryan, can you do a video on the modern forehand where if you believe that setting the racquet should occur on the side like federer, or can it set back toward the back fence like djokovic, not sure if you’ve already made that video. Thanks
Hey Colin. Do you mean where the strings point or where the racket is positioned?
@@2MinuteTennis where it’s positioned. Not the strings pointed I’ve heard that one talked about that it’s not necessary. But I’m curious if it’s better to set it on the side instead of further behind, thanks
@colinbyer3018 one is only better as a point of personal choice. Fed would hate Djokovic’s forehand. And Novak would hate to use fed’s forehand. I would only say players can practice both types and see how their both likes it. Both work…
@@2MinuteTennisI had someone argue that it’s inefficient to set the racquet behind and that’s it’s far more efficient for it to be on the side. Would you disagree with that?
What do you mean by “lag” at the end?
as the hand goes forward the racket "lags" behind. creates a forearm stretch and sets the wrist angle you'll need at contact.
@@2MinuteTennis so basically, if I understood correctly, when you say that Roger had a very big lag it's kind of this: if we had a side view from his right, we would see the hand more or less aligned with the body and the racket way behind, more towards the back fence. Am I right?
Precisely the reason why Alcarez already won two GS. Great players have beautiful moves which look effortless. This in the long run save energy and bring them to the top.
Korda.
But Alcaraz dosen't have the raquet complete loking at the sky like what you said as Rune!¡ He has the raquet as an intermediate pointing to the sky and to the opponent
You are correct!
Rafa's off-hand doesn't look that high. I agree with the getting it out of the way though. ruclips.net/video/WzTkWVevD00/видео.html
I think people come at you about your fixation on the left hand because you shouldn't be focusing on your left hand when hitting a forehand. It's more of an unconscious movement. If you're focusing on your left hand while performing the swing in a fraction of a second, you're fucked. Besides, players like Federer often keep the left hand level while hitting the forehand, not necessarily rising.
So when people drop the L arm and they end up basically hugging themselves, I should just ignore it because I don't want them to focus on it? Without the L hand moving correctly it stops them from turning their hips and their consistency suffers greatly,
Federer does still tuck in his left hand like every pro. If people do this wrong you need to focus on it for a while until you get used to it at which point you don't have to think about it (this is how it always goes when adjusting technique).
I’m well aware.
I think for training purposes it's fine to focus on specific parts in a movement. Later on it will become automatic.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegetento both you and the original commenter you can say that about literally anything on the forehand. Yeah when you’re a pro and you got muscle memory you can’t be thinking about any technique but When you’re developing the shot you have to think about it, so I don’t get what the point is here
I prefer Holger's Forehand lol
Runes forehand looks cleaner and more organized