RUclips recommended your content to me yesterday, and I've already watched this video (and all your Shorts) a couple of times. Good luck on your channel!
This is something I've also been learning the hard way when I've been gigging. I put a lot into my performance, especially as I'm on my own in a noisy pub, and I do a lot of older rock stuff. I'll often fall into the trap of pushing too hard, and tiring out my voice, sometimes almost losing some it at the end of the gig. I've got a bit better after working on my technique (I was mainly just a guitar player before), and this vid is really useful.
This is very true. I noticed playing the guitar and singing into the microphone over and over and over again with song after song causes me to train my voice... I mean to adjust because I'm hearing the sound back coming out of the amplification. My God I can definitely hear when it's off when it's overpowering when it's too soft coming into the voicings.. I love when you say stop singing so loud. I recently wrote a song called Maple Moon. And just recently I recorded myself singing it in the very same key but bringing the loudness in my voice down. In return what I got was a song that stayed in step with the timing and is enjoyable to listen to... This guy knows what he's talking about and I just learned this by singing into that microphone for The last 5 years
I'm so glad I saw this video because I'm going into the recording studio I've been practicing my song with a lighter approach not pushing it and it's so much better. Thank you again
Music producer/audio engineer here. Yes every single track you hear the vocals are HEAVILY Processed. Everything from dynamocs to pitch to timing. We do what we must to keep up with the standards of today. But trust me when i say the finished product sounds NOTHING like the raw vocal we recieve
I feel old and snooty, but this makes me extremely sad. I come from the operatic world and have a knee jerk reaction to any audio-tech enhancement. Now I'm old and relearning a whole lot, and working with mics, trying to at least, i am meeting and using sounds for the first time. Music is enough for one life, but one lifetime is not enough for music. Great share!
@dorefromDetroit thanks! And i get it, im a purist when it comes to some things also! I wish we didn't have to do so much but if we don't the singer will be like "it doesn't sound very professional" I guess we live in the future when I wish we lived in the past
Fantastic advise, I'm a huge fan of the ABC voice model which clearly shows you can't achieve the higest notes in your range at your maximum volume, it took me a while to get myself to back off from my maximal volume but it was so worth it - makes singing higher parts effortless. And you're right, so much of what we hear in recordings isn't a real voice, multitracking, compression, production effects, EQ, etc.
I hear ya- I grew up around a lot of metal music, so that's what I tried to replicate, and I kept losing my voice. But now that I'm older and decided that I don't really care what others think, I started singing a lot differently- I sound more like a cowboy opera singer now- no idea if others like it or not, but again, I decided I don't care... it's much easier on my voice.
Had a similar situation except my cyst was HPV. Had long road back. 3 months therapy and it’s been 7 years. Building a new tribute project now. You better believe I’m going at it totally different these days. Love the content.
@@MichaelRayBirchfield ah man. I feel ya . And yeah you know what I mean about how you have to approach differently. I went back to singing after 7 weeks and I was not ready, it was too soon and I did a four hour gig first one back. And then just carried on with a crazy schedule like before . It was too much too soon and I think it suffered from that still now. Although with a mic in my face I’m fine. It’s when I have to try be loud in a room , just can’t do it now. Have to be careful when teaching a bunch of noisy teenagers!
One of my favorite singers is Chris Cornell. I struggled with a lot of his stuff, and I'm not really sure how I learned it, but yes, I agree that much of the really intense stuff, I'm actually not pushing very hard at all with my voice. I am with my body, my face, my emotions, but my vocal chords are actually dialed down a bit, but I'm using mic technique to make it keep it's intensity.
That's what I thought until yesterday with Chester Bennington, I was just trying to hit the notes as intense as I could instead of going back to basics and getting rid of all tension possible, now I'm really building something beautiful.
Usually when I listen to music I try and compare the vocals to how someone singing in real life would sound, it made me realised how insanely processed modern vocals are! Especially the compression
High notes are small, low larynx, 'discovered' and not pushed - it all needed said to me 100 times to absorb and believe it and every time it's told to me it hits different as I get closer but also forget how far I can go with those concepts. I think as a teacher you have to be aware of how the same message can hit differently and is valuable to repeat. Super solid advice and help from you again! Sitting working on very quiet oooooo sounds this evening :) If there was a basic support option on Patreon I would do it to support you just for the videos, like a couple bucks but no interaction. I have a singing teacher! Or Ko-Fi which I think has better terms for creators.
Ah thank you so much ! This is awesome and I massively appreciate the support. My two tiers are $7 and $17 currently . But they both involve some form of 1-1 and support etc. I’m having a look at the whole patreon tomorrow , maybe I’ll make a tier just for you! 😂✌️🙏 I forgot to put the link in. All done a bit last minute tonight. Thanks again
((I did what I said with a $4 dollar tier on patreon, prob gonna change the other one and remove. Obviously no obligation but you got me thinking, thanks ))
Absolutely MAKES SENSE. I love how you start off with I’m here to teach you “ WHAT NOT TO DO”. 😄. Your channel will grow big. See most people are here because we are having. Trouble Less is more!!!!!!!. I have been applying a lot of your advice and yesterday I actually sounded okay. It’s really that breath support and controlling the air. I definitely practiced too much because I am a bit hoarse. Mostly due to my Hashimoto’s. I Sounds like I smoked a pack of cigarettes and I don’t smoke So to the smart …. That said your talking voice sounds shitty well it has nothing to do with singing. Once I get that song down to the best I can do it. …then I will share. ( Adele When we were young). I honestly never thought I get any tone back. Hey if you practice and apply exactly what your saying slowly you will get it. It seemed like yesterday it just Clicked!!!! . So I’m working hard and then I’m going to need lots of help😃. Here I took opera lessons when I was very young. I did good back then but life happened. I really just want to enjoy singing and playing my guitar. Having fun. I would be ecstatic.if I could get 40% of what I had back. Just keep being you. A few guys/ singing coaches are going to ruin peoples voices. That’s one thing I know when they are teaching it wrong. I guess those opera lessons paid off. Thank you for keeping it real. 🎵❤️🎹🎸🎼
What I'm always looking for is a "direct off the mic" isolated vocal track of famous songs... not just isolated from a mix with AI or whatever... but a true... "exactly what the mic heard" track... that way one can try to tell just how much is the vocalist... and how much is processing. Such tracks seem really rare and hard to find though. At least outside the original tapes.
I watch a lot of stuff like Tiny Desk Concerts because I love that live "intimate" sound, but I wonder how much effects/processing most singers have on their voice even on a live performance like that? I'd love to see more performers actually sing live in person.
@@anxylum well that’s got to be one of the most honest kinds of performances out there . It’s dry and natural sounding. Such a great set up . I looked up the mics they use once. I don’t even know if there’s much reverb on those recordings . Yeah I’d say there’s something to be learned from tiny desk . I’m gonna try demonstrate some stuff around this
I appreciate everything you’re doing brotha Do you ever listen to bands like Dance Gavin Dance? I’m curious what you think is going on with how he’s doing what he’s doing Even live, he doesn’t sound “not intense” if they makes sense
I think the first basic thing everyone needs to understand when trying to compare themselves to studio recordings is that today virtually nothing comes out of the studio without pitch-correction (auto-tune/melodyne). This is an obvious step in the mixing process in almost every recording. The majority of YT "stars" rely heavily on auto-tune and their audience do not even realize that they are being cheated. You'd be surprised (in a negative way) what your favorite artists really sound like on a raw tracks without pitch-correction.
Great video, I’m working on this, I’m a beginner, my ears are not good, I hear things and think I’m reproducing it, then listen to the recording and I’m missing the notes or out of tune, my ears deceive me big time, but I’m improving with ear training
I’m really struggle with a new track of ours at the moment to try and get emotion into it without my voice breaking up on the high points but also the very quiet parts. It’s about grief and I’m playing with the idea of “time heals” so that as the song progresses so the negative emotion get accompanied by optimism. It’s a tough one for sure with plenty of subtlety and nuance
@@Theactivepsychos sounds interesting ! It can take some real refinement to get across such emotions in a vocal take, I hope it’s going well. Good luck
@ have you ever thought about doing related content to your main videos where you practically critique and analyse one of or more of your audiences vocal takes and apply what’s in your video?
@@Theactivepsychos how could you ever know? And what do you mean? It’s fine to disagree. I know my experience and I know what I see in dozens of students but you know, whatever you think ✌️
@@singingmatterscalderwell I’m not necessarily disagreeing but if you listen to the artists thy listened to the three guys I mentioned all have a hyper version of that style, especially Ray. A lot of the grit in those old R&B and blues singers was in the microphone and tape saturation but Ray took that noise and created it with his own voice that then got processed with even more saturation and those beautifully crunchy mics. If you then listen to the next generation you get noddy holder ad Johnny rotten taking it further and then Liam Gallagher taking it even further! We’re not agreeing I’m just saying there are rare cases when those misinterpretations create a new vocal icon!
@ have a listen to the story about John Lennon and twist and shout and how he knew he’d crush his vocal chords so left it until the end. Then Ray Davies when he sings live. There’s 100% the thing you’re talking about that they do. Probably more towards the beginning off their careers but then they mastered the effect so they could do it with longevity.
@ brilliant ! That doesn’t mean they are hurting their voice in the process !! Maybe we can meet in the middle here. I like this idea that they heard the recorded sound and tried to recreate it. Almost inventing the wheel at that time. But they also may have done so within safe and healthy range in terms of how much they put their voice through to get there. This is an interesting story of how raspy singing became a thing. Thanks
RUclips recommended your content to me yesterday, and I've already watched this video (and all your Shorts) a couple of times. Good luck on your channel!
@@davidribeiro5254 thanks so much David ! I appreciate the comment and I really hope it helps
@@davidribeiro5254 thank you and I hope it helped you yesterday morning, I mean afternoon
This is something I've also been learning the hard way when I've been gigging. I put a lot into my performance, especially as I'm on my own in a noisy pub, and I do a lot of older rock stuff. I'll often fall into the trap of pushing too hard, and tiring out my voice, sometimes almost losing some it at the end of the gig. I've got a bit better after working on my technique (I was mainly just a guitar player before), and this vid is really useful.
This is very true. I noticed playing the guitar and singing into the microphone over and over and over again with song after song causes me to train my voice... I mean to adjust because I'm hearing the sound back coming out of the amplification. My God I can definitely hear when it's off when it's overpowering when it's too soft coming into the voicings.. I love when you say stop singing so loud. I recently wrote a song called Maple Moon. And just recently I recorded myself singing it in the very same key but bringing the loudness in my voice down. In return what I got was a song that stayed in step with the timing and is enjoyable to listen to... This guy knows what he's talking about and I just learned this by singing into that microphone for The last 5 years
I'm so glad I saw this video because I'm going into the recording studio I've been practicing my song with a lighter approach not pushing it and it's so much better. Thank you again
Music producer/audio engineer here. Yes every single track you hear the vocals are HEAVILY Processed. Everything from dynamocs to pitch to timing. We do what we must to keep up with the standards of today. But trust me when i say the finished product sounds NOTHING like the raw vocal we recieve
I feel old and snooty, but this makes me extremely sad. I come from the operatic world and have a knee jerk reaction to any audio-tech enhancement. Now I'm old and relearning a whole lot, and working with mics, trying to at least, i am meeting and using sounds for the first time. Music is enough for one life, but one lifetime is not enough for music. Great share!
@dorefromDetroit thanks! And i get it, im a purist when it comes to some things also! I wish we didn't have to do so much but if we don't the singer will be like "it doesn't sound very professional"
I guess we live in the future when I wish we lived in the past
Honestly, this is such a simple message but why wasn’t that explained to me from my teacher whom I payed for??
Thank you so much!
Fantastic advise, I'm a huge fan of the ABC voice model which clearly shows you can't achieve the higest notes in your range at your maximum volume, it took me a while to get myself to back off from my maximal volume but it was so worth it - makes singing higher parts effortless. And you're right, so much of what we hear in recordings isn't a real voice, multitracking, compression, production effects, EQ, etc.
I hear ya- I grew up around a lot of metal music, so that's what I tried to replicate, and I kept losing my voice. But now that I'm older and decided that I don't really care what others think, I started singing a lot differently- I sound more like a cowboy opera singer now- no idea if others like it or not, but again, I decided I don't care... it's much easier on my voice.
Had a similar situation except my cyst was HPV. Had long road back. 3 months therapy and it’s been 7 years. Building a new tribute project now. You better believe I’m going at it totally different these days. Love the content.
@@MichaelRayBirchfield ah man. I feel ya . And yeah you know what I mean about how you have to approach differently. I went back to singing after 7 weeks and I was not ready, it was too soon and I did a four hour gig first one back. And then just carried on with a crazy schedule like before . It was too much too soon and I think it suffered from that still now. Although with a mic in my face I’m fine. It’s when I have to try be loud in a room , just can’t do it now. Have to be careful when teaching a bunch of noisy teenagers!
One of my favorite singers is Chris Cornell. I struggled with a lot of his stuff, and I'm not really sure how I learned it, but yes, I agree that much of the really intense stuff, I'm actually not pushing very hard at all with my voice. I am with my body, my face, my emotions, but my vocal chords are actually dialed down a bit, but I'm using mic technique to make it keep it's intensity.
That's what I thought until yesterday with Chester Bennington, I was just trying to hit the notes as intense as I could instead of going back to basics and getting rid of all tension possible, now I'm really building something beautiful.
Usually when I listen to music I try and compare the vocals to how someone singing in real life would sound, it made me realised how insanely processed modern vocals are! Especially the compression
High notes are small, low larynx, 'discovered' and not pushed - it all needed said to me 100 times to absorb and believe it and every time it's told to me it hits different as I get closer but also forget how far I can go with those concepts. I think as a teacher you have to be aware of how the same message can hit differently and is valuable to repeat. Super solid advice and help from you again! Sitting working on very quiet oooooo sounds this evening :) If there was a basic support option on Patreon I would do it to support you just for the videos, like a couple bucks but no interaction. I have a singing teacher! Or Ko-Fi which I think has better terms for creators.
Ah thank you so much ! This is awesome and I massively appreciate the support. My two tiers are $7 and $17 currently . But they both involve some form of 1-1 and support etc. I’m having a look at the whole patreon tomorrow , maybe I’ll make a tier just for you! 😂✌️🙏
I forgot to put the link in. All done a bit last minute tonight. Thanks again
((I did what I said with a $4 dollar tier on patreon, prob gonna change the other one and remove. Obviously no obligation but you got me thinking, thanks ))
@@singingmatterscalder Sweet, I'm in! :) Thank you!
@ amazing thank so much for the support
Absolutely MAKES SENSE.
I love how you start off with I’m here to teach you “ WHAT NOT TO DO”. 😄. Your channel will grow big. See most people are here because we are having. Trouble
Less is more!!!!!!!. I have been applying a lot of your advice and yesterday I actually sounded okay. It’s really that breath support and controlling the air.
I definitely practiced too much because I am a bit hoarse. Mostly due to my Hashimoto’s. I Sounds like I smoked a pack of cigarettes and I don’t smoke
So to the smart …. That said your talking voice sounds shitty well it has nothing to do with singing.
Once I get that song down to the best I can do it. …then I will share. ( Adele When we were young). I honestly never thought I get any tone back. Hey if you practice and apply exactly what your saying slowly you will get it. It seemed like yesterday it just Clicked!!!! . So I’m working hard and then I’m going to need lots of help😃. Here I took opera lessons when I was very young. I did good back then but life happened. I really just want to enjoy singing and playing my guitar. Having fun. I would be ecstatic.if I could get 40% of what I had back.
Just keep being you. A few guys/ singing coaches are going to ruin peoples voices. That’s one thing I know when they are teaching it wrong. I guess those opera lessons paid off.
Thank you for keeping it real. 🎵❤️🎹🎸🎼
What I'm always looking for is a "direct off the mic" isolated vocal track of famous songs... not just isolated from a mix with AI or whatever... but a true... "exactly what the mic heard" track... that way one can try to tell just how much is the vocalist... and how much is processing.
Such tracks seem really rare and hard to find though. At least outside the original tapes.
@@flmason I may attempt to make a video with an A-B of no processing and with , even in just a basic way
Isolated vocals of artist like David Bowie and Sinatra really help me to understand what it is I’m hearing
thanks for making a video explaining this further!
I watch a lot of stuff like Tiny Desk Concerts because I love that live "intimate" sound, but I wonder how much effects/processing most singers have on their voice even on a live performance like that? I'd love to see more performers actually sing live in person.
@@anxylum well that’s got to be one of the most honest kinds of performances out there . It’s dry and natural sounding. Such a great set up . I looked up the mics they use once. I don’t even know if there’s much reverb on those recordings . Yeah I’d say there’s something to be learned from tiny desk .
I’m gonna try demonstrate some stuff around this
@ oh… I would love to see a video on this, that would be awesome. ❤️
I appreciate everything you’re doing brotha
Do you ever listen to bands like Dance Gavin Dance?
I’m curious what you think is going on with how he’s doing what he’s doing
Even live, he doesn’t sound “not intense” if they makes sense
I can have a listen and see what I make of it !
Awesome stuff man, thanks for the lesson
I think the first basic thing everyone needs to understand when trying to compare themselves to studio recordings is that today virtually nothing comes out of the studio without pitch-correction (auto-tune/melodyne). This is an obvious step in the mixing process in almost every recording. The majority of YT "stars" rely heavily on auto-tune and their audience do not even realize that they are being cheated. You'd be surprised (in a negative way) what your favorite artists really sound like on a raw tracks without pitch-correction.
@@radosawszmid7822 yeah !! And I didn’t even mention the autotune
Listen to live recordings, but be aware that most "official" live recordings are just as procesed as any studio recording.
Great video, I’m working on this, I’m a beginner, my ears are not good, I hear things and think I’m reproducing it, then listen to the recording and I’m missing the notes or out of tune, my ears deceive me big time, but I’m improving with ear training
I’m really struggle with a new track of ours at the moment to try and get emotion into it without my voice breaking up on the high points but also the very quiet parts. It’s about grief and I’m playing with the idea of “time heals” so that as the song progresses so the negative emotion get accompanied by optimism. It’s a tough one for sure with plenty of subtlety and nuance
@@Theactivepsychos sounds interesting ! It can take some real refinement to get across such emotions in a vocal take, I hope it’s going well. Good luck
@ have you ever thought about doing related content to your main videos where you practically critique and analyse one of or more of your audiences vocal takes and apply what’s in your video?
Thank you !
John Lennon, Ray Davies, Eric Burdon all wouldn’t have their excellent vocal style without misinterpreting what they were hearing.
@@Theactivepsychos how could you ever know? And what do you mean? It’s fine to disagree. I know my experience and I know what I see in dozens of students but you know, whatever you think ✌️
You’re probably proving my point: because what you hear makes you think it’s being done a certain way, and it’s probably not.
@@singingmatterscalderwell I’m not necessarily disagreeing but if you listen to the artists thy listened to the three guys I mentioned all have a hyper version of that style, especially Ray. A lot of the grit in those old R&B and blues singers was in the microphone and tape saturation but Ray took that noise and created it with his own voice that then got processed with even more saturation and those beautifully crunchy mics. If you then listen to the next generation you get noddy holder ad Johnny rotten taking it further and then Liam Gallagher taking it even further! We’re not agreeing I’m just saying there are rare cases when those misinterpretations create a new vocal icon!
@ have a listen to the story about John Lennon and twist and shout and how he knew he’d crush his vocal chords so left it until the end. Then Ray Davies when he sings live. There’s 100% the thing you’re talking about that they do. Probably more towards the beginning off their careers but then they mastered the effect so they could do it with longevity.
@ brilliant ! That doesn’t mean they are hurting their voice in the process !! Maybe we can meet in the middle here. I like this idea that they heard the recorded sound and tried to recreate it. Almost inventing the wheel at that time. But they also may have done so within safe and healthy range in terms of how much they put their voice through to get there. This is an interesting story of how raspy singing became a thing. Thanks