EA only pretends Madden is a realistic simulation in order to keep that NFL exclusive license. Being more arcade-ish and even kind of broken makes them more money than trying to make the game a realistic simulation. (Which is why some argue that modern Madden gameplay-wise are *worse* than 10-20 year old football games, including old Madden titles.)
I miss the Madden 2010-14 generation. A lot more variety with plays that aren’t just “filler” for the playbook. I also miss being able to hurry up all the way down the field without having time melt off the clock to auto run down (which really can’t be turned off).
Maden 08 was the last decent madden game. And it still wasn't that great. 2K Sports was doing amazing things that blew EA out of the water back in 2005. And rather than try and compete with them and build a good game, they bought out the rights so no one could compete with them, and then just keep polishing the same turd every year.
@@marcusmaynard1526 2K games suck NOW - their nfl 2k games were pretty great, but i agree. 2K is awful, they’re basically doing the same thing madden is now but with basketball
@@marcusmaynard1526 play 2k23 offline and tell me it sucks. It's so sim and life like In movement it's crazy. Dumbasses breaking the game online is a different story.
Not trying to toot my own horn but I’ve been doing this since the beginning of time so the fact a pro player is doing it gives me hope I’m semi good at the game 😂
Real Madden players always audible to their real play at the line...y because back when u played on the screen, your opponent could see what play n formation u picked 😂😂😂
@@douchebagme man I remember always smoking my dad when I was like 8 and he would be sooooooo pisssed and yelling at me for laughing and now I get it I’d be pissed if my 8 year old beat me no damn way 🤣
I love how you can throw bullet passes to receivers well before they should be expecting it in their route, yet they can instantly adjust and go up for the catch. It's like they have eyes in the back of their heads. Meanwhile, DBs who are looking straight into the backfield are so slow to react to passes that sometimes they aren't even out of their break by the time the receiver has caught the ball.
And that’s why madden is toxic. 6 plays that’s not real football. Yes you can come back to the plays that work but in real life if you keep running the same play eventually they adjust
@@eastern_fox1238 No, it's the same. It is short for "Metagame" aka "Metagame, hypergame,[1] or game about the game, is an approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game." The game they are playing is a football game, the metagame is outthinking players and strategies that transcend the game created by developers.
People that were playing competitively when Madden ‘06 dropped, with formation shift AND smart routing. The creativity was unmatched, craziest tournament scene in Madden.
Funny these guys are considered pros but in fact are just cheesing their way to catches with bad reads, but using the games broken mechanics to catch everything. Not to mention running the same plays over and over again like this is Tecmo Bowl. At the 2:17 mark the running back is wide open down there middle for a TD but he throws a "high ball" into triple coverage instead..... Ya... Great read there
I’ve played madden my whole life but these last 2 ruined it 100% for me. I don’t even play it nor will I even buy it. Everyone just uses the same plays over and over and it’s not football nor is it fun. Madden is trash. People ruined it. Like everything else.
What's so genius about running the same play over and over again this game is broken and the developers should be a shame for letting people play this product for a cash prize
I'd like to see him play on regs - so much of what he and others do is just not possible when you don't have 99s everywhere capable of doing anything. I don't respect MUT at all.
@@SpruceGooseTV agreed but having 99ovr everywhere makes a HUGE difference there’s no true bad players and no mismatches you can expose. That’s why Agro catching works with tall Wideouts it’s the only true scheme people can expose because a 99ovr doesn’t matter when your dude 7inches taller than the safety or corner and your guy is a 99ovr too. I saw some really good dimes but most of it was just using the game against itself to win.
@@mightymikeY2K yea then u would have everyone running the same reg teams then youd complain about that aswell, pretty sure they already had a regs tourney and if not the big money is in mut, where people can create their team the way they want instead of being limited to low overalls
This is why I hate the competitive Madden scene. It's all about META and stacking your team with the exact players/abilities that you desire. I'm sure every competitive sport would love to be able to abuse the best players and tactics for wins. I just wish competitive Madden was about knowledge and skills. But alas, my 5 year old son can drive the field with high passes to tall receivers because that's how dumb and broken this game is. I have been playing since 2001 and I can beat just about every person I go up against, but if I went competitive then I would get META'd to death by scrubs who don't understand actual scheme. So infuriating.
I have been using “bench” since madden 20 and would absolutely rip any defense up especially when having hot route master on your quarterback allowing you to open anyone up.
meta is a prefix from greek that means “across” or “along with”. it became used in the 80s to create terms like “metaverse” and “metagame”, which is what meta is shorthand for in the gaming context. “most effective tactics available” is a backronym, like when people say Ford stands for “Found On Road Dead”. it’s not the actual source of the term it’s just entertaining or educational great vid though very fun peeking into other competitive games and how they operate
That's the difference between Madden and real football. In the NFL, players don't get beat the same way twice, and there are defensive schemes to stop offensive plays. If an NFL team only had 6 plays in real life, they would get destroyed.
Everyone saying “bruh it’s a video game.” It’s a licensed SIMULATION game. It’s supposed to be realistic and true to the nfl. If they don’t wanna make it that way then someone else should get the license and madden can keep making this arcade game
I remember all you had to do was run Barry Sanders up the middle. He always got at least 3 yards. Once you had the ball, you could waste the whole half 😭
I have never seen "meta" used as an initialism. I've always seen it used as a shortened version of the term "metagame" or "metagaming", which is using outside information of the game while playing the game. Most players use it when talking about what characters, items, or builds are popular for a particular game. Is the "META" initialism a Madden community thing?
Guess people have made a backronym of meta. It’s effective in explaining what it means so I don’t think it’s bad to use but people should also consider the original meaning (metagaming as you identified) as it goes beyond just tactics in game
Madden is bad these days, but this video has nothing to do with it. Literally 100% of video games that have an active following are dissected and exploited to this degree at the highest levels of competition. Go watch a speed run of any game, you’ll notice that they aren’t playing it anything like the way it’s meant to be played.
i won the superbowl in Madden 95 with the falcons by running one offensive play and putting deion sanders on the outside d-line. Sanders was also the kick returner
was doing the high ball agro receiver thing back in 2004. How is this a special thing. Do most people not do that now? Same with the last minute audible stuff. I haven't played since then so not sure how it has changed. In any case, fun nostalgia.
No shade to the players but could you imagine if they had to actually scheme against opponents rather than just using the same 5 plays and “embracing the meta”? That’s the problem with madden, you never end up actually playing football just some play spam BS
I can’t completely hate on the kid bc in some instances he actually uses his brain and it shows how much knowledge he truly has on this game. Which in turn allows him to “create” these schemes bc he knows what works. It just sucks that Madden limits you to using the same 4 plays to succeed.
@@SldOnEmWithDa45 lol I would hope the people that play madden professionally would know about the game. And it still doesn’t change the fact that he just abuses the same 4 plays. That’s why you had to edit ur comment dickrider
META is not an acronym. I guess you could call it a backronym but it actually is short for metagaming as in the game above the game. In this case what tactics are generally considered most effective
They should have done a tournament with an old 2k football game that way it would be more realistic and challenging for those not old enough to have played Dreamcast or 2k football titles
"Meta" doesn't stand for anything. It's an abbreviation of "metagame," which refers to the strategic field of the competitive game circuit. For example, if there is an expected strategy of your opponent in the game, and you are simultaneously selecting strategies, you would select a strategy to defeat theirs. In Madden, if the opponent is repeatedly blitzing, you might select a quick pass play to throw to receivers who would be normally covered by a blitzing LB or CB. In Magic the Gathering, you might select an aggressive play style to counter a slower deck. The 'meta' is the broader strategic environment of the game.
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This just shows how far Madden has diverged from the real life game it was meant to represent.
EA only pretends Madden is a realistic simulation in order to keep that NFL exclusive license. Being more arcade-ish and even kind of broken makes them more money than trying to make the game a realistic simulation. (Which is why some argue that modern Madden gameplay-wise are *worse* than 10-20 year old football games, including old Madden titles.)
@@BainesMkII I feel like Madden peaked on PS2... Never enjoyed the gameplay as much since
I miss the Madden 2010-14 generation. A lot more variety with plays that aren’t just “filler” for the playbook. I also miss being able to hurry up all the way down the field without having time melt off the clock to auto run down (which really can’t be turned off).
Maden 08 was the last decent madden game. And it still wasn't that great. 2K Sports was doing amazing things that blew EA out of the water back in 2005. And rather than try and compete with them and build a good game, they bought out the rights so no one could compete with them, and then just keep polishing the same turd every year.
@@BiggestOfDaddiesbro 2k games suck too? Idk why everyone acts like they are heroes.
@@marcusmaynard1526 2K games suck NOW - their nfl 2k games were pretty great, but i agree. 2K is awful, they’re basically doing the same thing madden is now but with basketball
Sad isn’t it.
@@marcusmaynard1526 play 2k23 offline and tell me it sucks. It's so sim and life like In movement it's crazy. Dumbasses breaking the game online is a different story.
Coming out in a random formation and then audibling to your real play and snapping the ball is soo smart
Was confused why that was a highlight
Not trying to toot my own horn but I’ve been doing this since the beginning of time so the fact a pro player is doing it gives me hope I’m semi good at the game 😂
How much money have u won?
Real Madden players always audible to their real play at the line...y because back when u played on the screen, your opponent could see what play n formation u picked 😂😂😂
@@douchebagme man I remember always smoking my dad when I was like 8 and he would be sooooooo pisssed and yelling at me for laughing and now I get it I’d be pissed if my 8 year old beat me no damn way 🤣
I love how you can throw bullet passes to receivers well before they should be expecting it in their route, yet they can instantly adjust and go up for the catch. It's like they have eyes in the back of their heads. Meanwhile, DBs who are looking straight into the backfield are so slow to react to passes that sometimes they aren't even out of their break by the time the receiver has caught the ball.
Good ole Madden shit lol. Every year there's some sort of exploit like that
It’s usually just glitches that make plays work
And that’s why madden is toxic. 6 plays that’s not real football. Yes you can come back to the plays that work but in real life if you keep running the same play eventually they adjust
This is exactly why I'll never buy another madden because EA refuses to fix this
So build a defense to stop them. Y’all trash
It’s a video game brodie not real life
God I hate tht I can’t build in real life like I can in Fortnite that’s y I dont play it anymore
@@brandonruoff1468 😂😂
How this teenager built the best offense in Madden
1. Embrace the meta
Awesome
isnt that what every teenager does on madden?
Step 2: Make up a fake acronym for the word "meta" that isn't actually what it means?
@@sethmoyer The gaming definition of Meta is separate from the dictionary definition of meta. This isn't uncommon in the english language.
@@eastern_fox1238 No, it's the same. It is short for "Metagame" aka "Metagame, hypergame,[1] or game about the game, is an approach to a game that transcends or operates outside of the prescribed rules of the game, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game."
The game they are playing is a football game, the metagame is outthinking players and strategies that transcend the game created by developers.
@@CollinMaker It's not that deep
So wheel routes and high balls makes you good. This madden is so much worse than last years
last years was literally two wheel routes, escape artist and deep posts 💀
That’s actually how the NFL is now though so it’s realistic. Jump balls and routes to the flat are bigger than ever.
Every madden ever has had it’s fair share of cheese
I don't know why people keep buying this trash game every year
Football in general is a shit sport... Just rock-paper-scissors with no fluidity.
Watching that dude just throw high balls is absolutely cringe
People that were playing competitively when Madden ‘06 dropped, with formation shift AND smart routing. The creativity was unmatched, craziest tournament scene in Madden.
Funny these guys are considered pros but in fact are just cheesing their way to catches with bad reads, but using the games broken mechanics to catch everything. Not to mention running the same plays over and over again like this is Tecmo Bowl. At the 2:17 mark the running back is wide open down there middle for a TD but he throws a "high ball" into triple coverage instead..... Ya... Great read there
Good call
^"how this teen put together unstoppable cheese on madden 23"^
I’ve played madden my whole life but these last 2 ruined it 100% for me. I don’t even play it nor will I even buy it. Everyone just uses the same plays over and over and it’s not football nor is it fun. Madden is trash. People ruined it. Like everything else.
What's so genius about running the same play over and over again this game is broken and the developers should be a shame for letting people play this product for a cash prize
2:16 Look at those corners, out on the edge, covering nothing.
Madden is a joke of a game, and we should not be giving it this much of our attention.
Still more complicated than Matt Canada’s offense.
Title should say "Why Madden is a laughably horrendous football simulator"
I'd like to see him play on regs - so much of what he and others do is just not possible when you don't have 99s everywhere capable of doing anything. I don't respect MUT at all.
I promise you these guys are the best in the world regardless of game mode. They play MUT because that's where the money is.
Lol this guys so salty
@@SpruceGooseTV agreed but having 99ovr everywhere makes a HUGE difference there’s no true bad players and no mismatches you can expose. That’s why Agro catching works with tall Wideouts it’s the only true scheme people can expose because a 99ovr doesn’t matter when your dude 7inches taller than the safety or corner and your guy is a 99ovr too. I saw some really good dimes but most of it was just using the game against itself to win.
@@mightymikeY2K yea then u would have everyone running the same reg teams then youd complain about that aswell, pretty sure they already had a regs tourney and if not the big money is in mut, where people can create their team the way they want instead of being limited to low overalls
Nobody even close to 99s hood best player was a 92😂
When people say…I’m living my best life…I assume they’re watching these videos 😀
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This content is amazing. Keep up the good work Spruce!
This is why I hate the competitive Madden scene. It's all about META and stacking your team with the exact players/abilities that you desire. I'm sure every competitive sport would love to be able to abuse the best players and tactics for wins.
I just wish competitive Madden was about knowledge and skills. But alas, my 5 year old son can drive the field with high passes to tall receivers because that's how dumb and broken this game is.
I have been playing since 2001 and I can beat just about every person I go up against, but if I went competitive then I would get META'd to death by scrubs who don't understand actual scheme. So infuriating.
NCAA 14 had those rocket catches. Was really a glitch.
This reminds me of that.
I have been using “bench” since madden 20 and would absolutely rip any defense up especially when having hot route master on your quarterback allowing you to open anyone up.
Bench is a instant td or 40 yard gain
meta is a prefix from greek that means “across” or “along with”. it became used in the 80s to create terms like “metaverse” and “metagame”, which is what meta is shorthand for in the gaming context. “most effective tactics available” is a backronym, like when people say Ford stands for “Found On Road Dead”. it’s not the actual source of the term it’s just entertaining or educational
great vid though very fun peeking into other competitive games and how they operate
That's the difference between Madden and real football. In the NFL, players don't get beat the same way twice, and there are defensive schemes to stop offensive plays. If an NFL team only had 6 plays in real life, they would get destroyed.
So the next version should incorporate heuristics.
It's because the defensive logic has been and continues to be atrocious.
This is the most delusional shit I’ve ever heard, fam. Players get beat the same way twice, three times, several dozens of times, thousands of times.
Everyone saying “bruh it’s a video game.” It’s a licensed SIMULATION game. It’s supposed to be realistic and true to the nfl. If they don’t wanna make it that way then someone else should get the license and madden can keep making this arcade game
It is true to the NFl, pretty much, this guys "meta" looks a lot like the Dolphins on offense.
I remember all you had to do was run Barry Sanders up the middle. He always got at least 3 yards. Once you had the ball, you could waste the whole half 😭
AHHHHH! The good old days. Times were kinder and simplistic then...🤟
He won because madden doesn't take much skill. Just high point to tall receivers and run overload blitz.
Ain’t that simple
The skill is in exploiting the game better than anyone else
Madden has been a joke for quite some time. I’ve never been so bored watching these “pros” play.
I didn’t even get 3 min in and went right to the comment section .. what a joke
Ayyy bud good stuff man !! The break down of everything was on point!
I don’t even play madden and I’m hooked on these videos
These guys are pros for a reason they put some much time into this game
Bro keep posting these. They’re so fun to watch and informational!
i dont play madden at all, dont understand these plays, but still watched thanks to your great video. Thanks
Stop hating on the man. He played it safe and kept it simple and stuck to what worked and didn't try to get fancy. My hats off to him.
I have never seen "meta" used as an initialism. I've always seen it used as a shortened version of the term "metagame" or "metagaming", which is using outside information of the game while playing the game. Most players use it when talking about what characters, items, or builds are popular for a particular game. Is the "META" initialism a Madden community thing?
That would be an acronym because you pronounce it. But meta isn’t an acronym so it doesn’t really matter.
Guess people have made a backronym of meta. It’s effective in explaining what it means so I don’t think it’s bad to use but people should also consider the original meaning (metagaming as you identified) as it goes beyond just tactics in game
incredible content. really well done. High quality breakdown here. Thanks
Cheese plays 🥱
Have no idea on whats going on, it popped up randomly on my home page, but proud to say i watched it till the end with not skips
Let's go!
I don’t see no skill in this offense all high ball throws
still won 😂
@@classicdokkan6251 that’s because madden mechanics is fucked
appreciate the in depth breakdowns
This video is a perfect example of why madden is so terrible these days
Madden is bad these days, but this video has nothing to do with it. Literally 100% of video games that have an active following are dissected and exploited to this degree at the highest levels of competition. Go watch a speed run of any game, you’ll notice that they aren’t playing it anything like the way it’s meant to be played.
If anyone you know is thinking of buying Madden, show them this video so they spend their money on something worth playing
Bought it for $15 and still feel cheated lmao
i won the superbowl in Madden 95 with the falcons by running one offensive play and putting deion sanders on the outside d-line. Sanders was also the kick returner
So he used madden bullshit to win a madden tournament 😂
i really wish we'd stop giving this game attention.. maybe then they'd make a decent game
Fantastic analysis, kept me very engaged
So Dez is basically the biggest cheese player. Ugggghhhh
So underrated! Keep up the good work!
Thanks For This Video
So being cheap over and over. Got it.
I only play franchise with a strict playcooldown. It’s made the game funner for me.
If this was a fighting game, we’d call him a spammer. But since it’s a football game it the best offensive scheme ever. SMH…
Thank you, Goose!
So - the kid went with the Tecmo bowl style offense. Smart. it worked in '88. it works in 2023.
Basically won by running cheesy plays after calling an audible
every year somebody finds something wrong with the game and wins the championship with it...lmfao..
This dude played my old offense in the early 2000’s this is hilarious
was doing the high ball agro receiver thing back in 2004. How is this a special thing. Do most people not do that now? Same with the last minute audible stuff. I haven't played since then so not sure how it has changed.
In any case, fun nostalgia.
As a football coach madden is a joke
At least he didn't resort to putting left handed punters in at QB to hand the ball off on every play.
I dont watch football, i dont play madden, i watch the full video and didnt undertand a thing. Good video btw
Great breakdown!
Okay I’m just trying to score a TD on the computer first. Beating the best player in the world will have to wait
I love these breakdowns!
Pay me to play madden full time and I’m dusting these kids
Do it
Yea please do join .. show these newbs what’s up
Like the manning cast . Do any RUclipss like this guy do live nfl games?
this is high level simulation football in Madden. LMfAOOOOOOOO
No shade to the players but could you imagine if they had to actually scheme against opponents rather than just using the same 5 plays and “embracing the meta”? That’s the problem with madden, you never end up actually playing football just some play spam BS
meta = metagame, which refers to playing the game while accounting for external factors strategic trends within the game
Glitch the AI and you're good
1. Throw back shoulder fades to your tall WRs because poor game design has made them unstoppable.
The game sounds so fun!
High pass. Aggressive catch ✔️
You break it down like gruden bud. Nice job!!!!
I dont play video football but the defense is horrid. TE shift and no one moves lol
I can’t completely hate on the kid bc in some instances he actually uses his brain and it shows how much knowledge he truly has on this game. Which in turn allows him to “create” these schemes bc he knows what works. It just sucks that Madden limits you to using the same 4 plays to succeed.
yes using his brain by running the same route over and over and abusing the dumb agg catch system
@@MetroRoob Still knows the game better than you and the average player 🤷🏽♂️ there’s a reason why he’s winning money and why we’re watching him.
@@SldOnEmWithDa45 lol I would hope the people that play madden professionally would know about the game. And it still doesn’t change the fact that he just abuses the same 4 plays. That’s why you had to edit ur comment dickrider
@@SldOnEmWithDa45 I just came by to see why madden was trash again
@@jarrell4878 literally saaame
idk what it is about the play slants in standered pass but it feels like its a easy catch everytime
META is not an acronym. I guess you could call it a backronym but it actually is short for metagaming as in the game above the game. In this case what tactics are generally considered most effective
13 game win streak after learning the first 3 plays.
This is how the NFL plays every Sunday.
They should have done a tournament with an old 2k football game that way it would be more realistic and challenging for those not old enough to have played Dreamcast or 2k football titles
This guy is about to be the first coach on a madden cover! 🏆
You sure there hasn't been a coach on a maden cover before?
@@DrDoerk 😂😂😂😂😂😂
What playbook is championship in?
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Art Monk on the post route. That sounds funny.
If u want a reception do bench
A lot of these comments saying this is toxic... there is $75,000 up top, you do what you have to do to get it. It's really not a hard concept!
I can't tell if the M.E.T.A. abbreviation is sarcasm or a legitimate misunderstanding.
So exploits are the way of the game
How do you beat that which has no life?
I always run the bench every time
U really embraced that last tip lol u ran one play every play last time I played u
how did he get those cowboy uniforms. was that something from a earlier season that i missed out on?
Oh so he won with cheese not skill. Good to know.
Art Monk? So can you use any players you want on your team nowadays?
These tournaments are in the Madden Ultimate Team mode
So he didn’t use a Traps 5 6 or Gun Trips 2 TE sets at all? Those are killer plays with a lot of RPO sets to keep the D off balance.
So the best player is the player who exploits the agg catch glitch.
"Meta" doesn't stand for anything. It's an abbreviation of "metagame," which refers to the strategic field of the competitive game circuit. For example, if there is an expected strategy of your opponent in the game, and you are simultaneously selecting strategies, you would select a strategy to defeat theirs. In Madden, if the opponent is repeatedly blitzing, you might select a quick pass play to throw to receivers who would be normally covered by a blitzing LB or CB. In Magic the Gathering, you might select an aggressive play style to counter a slower deck. The 'meta' is the broader strategic environment of the game.
Madden is a pay to play game that's why MUT is the tourney standard not normal rosters which makes it trash