That guy asking "how'd they get there?!" about marine fossils found on mountains reminds me of Bill O'Reilly asking about the tides. That's an excellent question for a child to ask, but not someone pretending to be an authority on the subject. And it's made all the worse by what you pointed out: they accept some form of tectonic activity, they just dispute the time scales involved. So I'm baffled as to why they'd include his incredulous question in the video.
If I had to guess why, it's because it *sounds* like an obvious "gotcha" point and they need as many as possible to sow the seeds of doubt in the official story in order to put forward theirs.
"Tides goes in, Tides goes out! Sun goes up, Sun goes down! Bread goes in, Toast comes out! I molest women, I molest men, you cant explain any of that!" Bill O'Really
Also, when did Logicked ever do ANYTHING about this movie? He's been debunking KENT Hovind for years, but this is Eric Hovind, and about a recent movie
Kent probably had a huge impact. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a different person. Since we're talking about Genesis, let's look at some other fiction. Obi Wan more or less raised Anakin from the age of 9 or so. The two couldn't have turned out more different. Or let's look at a more relevant fiction: How Christians see Yahweh vs how they see Jesus. Logicked did a lot of work on an old Kent Hovind lecture from before he went to prison, whereas this is a movie Eric Hovind did recently with collaboration of lots of other YEC sources
Creationists have spent - and are spending - *BILLIONS* of dollars to defend an all-powerful god, whose existence is "obvious". Their beliefs and their incomes might need defending, but I'm pretty sure that a god would not.
@@kragratt Indeed, the Christian Church or Chatholic Church to be more precise, is among the richest in the world for a reason and it's not because God is a giver, lol.
This is Eric Hovind and the director guy's attempt to take on Cosmos with a christian spin, so it's no coincidence the narrator of this film sounds like Dr. Tyson.
It's so obvious that it's actually pathetic. A sad attempt to give credibility to their nonsense. I could be wrong but it sounds to me like they electronically manipulated the voice to sound more like Tyson. It's like they think that all science is propaganda against them and if they make their own propaganda then they're somehow on the same level.
Mabatch Wow. The thought of them electronically manipulating the narrator's voice did cross my mind. I didn't mention it in my OP because I convinced myself I was being too cynical. But, I think you are right. The narrator's voice does not sound natural.
As a geologist studying the Snake River and Yellowstone track, I happily accept that catastrophic events can happen on relatively short time scales. But this doesn't really contradict the principle of uniformitarianism because they act on and in different scales. All identified catastrophic events are local, even if huge from our perspectives. That said, one can be assured that when Yellowstone blows, it will have a bigger global impact than any flood a bunch of stinky old goat herders could imagine. So I am a bit astounded when the people making these movies get up and talk b/s so readily and blatantly. It's like me explaining NASCAR from the perspective of a tailgate party lol
I think you mean 'the principle of uniformitarianism' rather than 'the principle of authoritarianism'. That being said, I agree with you, although things like the Chicxulub event were truly global in their effect.
Condor thank you for the correction. Uhg! I've fixed it. Have you seen the talk about meteor strikes like Chicxulub causing eruptions on the opposite side of our Earth? Decca and Siberia events were offered up. If true they would certainly add to the global scope of the impact.
🎵Paulogia, paulogia, paulogiiiia🎵 to the tune of Hallelujah! This is what my brain just did as I clicked on your video =) Yay! And also, weird but fun...thanks brain!
*"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"* Quite. Except in this case we don't have an absence, we have a plethora of negative evidence. A true absence is more like seeing a picture of a cat and being asked if the cat is still in the same room. Great stuff as usual, Paul.
Love the content as always, Paul! Your show was one of the first I ever subscribed to after I de-converted, and I've been watching you ever since. Your take downs of backwards science like this has been an inspiration to me. Please keep up the great work, and you can expect my support for the long haul!
A Geologist friend of mine loves your work. He rarely encounters a YEC’er, but has found some of your resources valuable. Of course as have I. These nudniks just keep stretching their explanations in a game of catch up. Recently anggod friend died. At the wake many got up and proclaimed that he was either 1) in heaven or 2) in the arms of Jesus. As of late I spend more time reading science than the Bible so I asked a Christian friend of mine where they got their references from. My memory indicated the above were not written anywhere in the Bible (other weirdness was proclaimed, but I will spare the details🙄). His response was: “Time becomes a relative thing in the arms of an eternal Being.” So not only did he not answer my question, he jumped right into an understanding of the time/space continuum that for them covers all inconsistencies and incongruities of their “literal” interpretation of the Bible. Ack! Deeply annoyed!
The whole denial of geology for YEC's focuses on the radiometric dating while ignoring the patterns of fossil distribution that completely falsify any of the YEC models for flood deposition. The density model doesn't work with even the most minimalist study. The running for high ground model is completely ridiculous. Burying by ecosystem isn't true as the geologic column is many stacked ecosystems and not just one buried in flood sediment. The Berthault sediment layering doesn't explain anything except for repeated thin sandstone layering under the most specific of conditions. Then they say this flood was so powerful to do major carving but was weak enough to keep delicate fossils intact and keep salt and freshwater from mixing. Then when pressed they say it was a "combination of all of these" like that somehow magically can work. They tend to not think about geological sorting much beyond the 5 minutes of talking points in this video.
Paulogia, this, also, was great! Oh no, the incest times are acomming! Poor you. I can't wait to see if they even mention it. Or, like the rest of the facts, will they gloss over, distort, or even avoid it? The more you know... the worse they look! Thankyou for your hard work on these. Love and Peace
Marilyn Newman - as a child (8 or 9), being forced to go to Hebrew school, we read that g*d created adam then from a rib he created eve, then they had Cain and able, then Cain killed abel. Then I asked too many questions about why they could not have knowledge. .. then i was asked not to return. So I never got any further reading a book of fairy tales that just served as an excuse to systematically destroy my people. Since we were told they were the only humans, it was only snatural that Cain fucked his mom. But, I degress, here I am justifying a response to your justification of hebrew fan fiction. Isn't it sad that this book of fiction brought on the reality of 2000 yrs of horror, terror, torture, displacement rape racism sexism homophobia anti-islamia anti-semitism hatred child abuse and molestation condoning slavery and murder of the jews cuz they were there and know for a fact that not only did jesus never exist, the cockroach mentality christians stole yeoweh and glued on a jesus son and holy ghost. Interesting story, HUH!!! I am simply amazed that adults actually believe this nonsense and bullshit. And use it against others as proof of what?
RE Hoover you and Marilyn Newman had a great conversation. It came up on my phone (RUclips) because of my comment. That is what is good, people talking this through. But, I am anti-theist for the very same things you mentioned, and came to that when I was in my early 20's, after having to read the bible 5 times, a couple different versions. Later, learning history just made me more anti religion, all religion. And that was while usually working, sometimes two jobs and a while before the internet. Well, I came to the internet late anyway. But, good points. Love and Peace
Marilyn Newman - it's more accurate to say scientists that are christians, are catholic. The "christian scientist" implies the actual religion by that name (dangerous folk that don't believe in medicine or science). And, yeah, I am aware of how the ministry does manipulate their flocks!! I was raised by parents that were not religious, but liars to the MAX and it drives me nuts when I know I'm being lied to. I strive for the truth and see nothing truthful about the church ... how could an organization with a foundation based on its horrendous history? In my last statement to you I mentioned the core values of the church - these are based on my research of their history. I will say again that with my resent 1.5 yrs of retirement research into the horrors of the church and bible, I am extremely blown away by how christians take the bible literally. At 9 I was unable to even bring myself to believe in the nonsense and at 11 my dad's pal dropped us off at a hell and damnation sermon and I knew it was lies then too. The catholic church since the 4th century has of horror just in its pedophile priests. I know and knew it couldn't be a believeable proposition or organization to support and raise itself up in history with such horror and abuse, I didn't even mention the inquisitions or martin luther. .. i did some research on him too - the nazis final solution is based on his writings. That's why I am an anti-theist.
You know, while watching this video, I was thinking back to things I saw and had explained to me at various points in my lifetime. I thought to when I first went to the Grand Canyon, when I was 3, and I asked how it was made. I was told that the rocks were eroded away by the Colorado River, still at the bottom of the canyon, much as I'd seen sand stirred up and moved by creeks. I imagined that the Colorado River was once MUCH BIGGER, and imagined that its roaring waters took the rock away very rapidly - much like sand. There are other examples from early childhood. I since had better explanations, found in everything from visitor's guides to textbooks to teachers of relevant classes to reading peer-reviewed journal articles. I found that some of my visualizations of descriptions I had in early childhood were correct, but my timeframe was way off. In the instance above, being 3, I thought a decade was a very long period of time, and really could not comprehend millions or billions. I had some similar experiences with the concept of evolution, when dinosaurs were, and believed what I saw on The Flintstones. I knew dinosaurs were a long time ago, cavemen were a long time ago, my great grandparents were children a long time ago. A long time ago = a long time ago! I once asked my grandmother if people lived in caves when she was a girl! When listening to the clips from the creationists, it seems to me like many of them are stuck in the explanations based on my understandings in early childhood. It's like they cannot comprehend large numbers or long periods of time. It seems to me much like they refused to listen to, read, or be willing to say that their first impressions were wrong, and to accept a more complex description might better describe reality. Maybe they are stuck in an early-childhood stage of development, complete with magical thinking. Hmmm. This is going to require more thought. I refuse to believe that religion is always a mental illness or developmental disorder.
People who say, you can't see the geologic column, need to visit the jurrassic coast, on England's south coast! It can be seen for dozens of miles! And is a perfect, visual example, of earths great age!
Unrelated to the conversation, so excuse me for posting here, but has anyone noticed that the AiG youtube channel has closed off the comments sections for its videos or are they just not showing up for me for some technological reason? Paulogia, loving the videos, keep them coming.
Mann! I fooking wish I were able to go back to a time where we could make stupidly obvious statements like "the oldest layers are on bottom and the youngest layers are on top" and then get praised for it as a super important fundamental concept for thousands of years to come :/
Thank you for using the term "Radiometric Dating" instead of the more common "Carbon Dating" which seems to be used in a sloppy fashion by way to many people in debates and such.
It's hard to carbon date rocks, I think you refer to situations where they actually talk about carbon dating and how when misapplied it can give wrong results. Even most creationists know the difference though.
Jeremy Wickersheimer a lot of the worst of the worst use the limitations of carbon dating to try and discredit all forms of radio metric dating. I’m taking about folks like the Hovinds and Ken Ham
I enjoy the work you do. I would point out, however, the picture at 10:31 is of Horseshoe bend. It is in Glenn Canyon and not the Grand Canyon. Many people make this mistake.
Generely speaking you are right when you say that absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. However, if you don't find any evidence in a place where, according to the hypothesis you are investigating, evidence should be found then the absense of evidence indeed is evidense of absense. Granted, a single instance of lack of evidence is not particulary good evidence, but if evidence is lacking in a large number of instances with not a single instance of positive evidence, then the absense of evidence is a pretty good evidence of absense.
For more information on the impossibility of Noah's flood, I would suggest Aron Ra's series of videos that totally disprove any possibility of the flood.
In 2012 they released a stone in a site of 400 million year old rock of antiquity 200 kiliometers (something) of a tigil in russia they found a mechnism of with aspects of metalwork and gears such as clockswork As you apprecite the photgraph It is not the first time machinery has been found in ancient stone En el año 2012 se ha hallado una roca, durante unas excavaciones, que data de unos 400 millones de años de antigüedad, a 200 kilómetros de la ciudad de Tigil (Rusia), en cuyo interior se han encontrado unos mecanismos de aspecto metálico como de un engranaje, similar a la maquinaria de un reloj, como se puede apreciar en la fotografía. No es la primera vez que se encuentran semejantes mecanismos incrustados en el interior de milenarias rocas. Its Brazilian so forgive me for any mistranslation
I just saw you post about this on a video taking on Kent Hovind a few hours ago, talking about how you had 50 minutes left on his son Eric. And here it is, more debunking. Lol awesome timing Edit: video was on Logicked's channel
Another good example an of unlikely ordering of death and burial during the flood is that all pterosaurs (e.g. pterodactyls) are found *below* all whales, dolphins, manatees, seals, etc.
I live in Finland and I had a really weird experience. An american preacher tried to convert me by asking where earth came and I started to explain how planets are "born" and earth formed about 5 billion years ago he s a started rambling how that is lie that they want you to believe. I then just asked that "you are one of those ken ham types who believe earth is 6000 years old?" he just said "yes" in very quiet manner and walked away. Thanks Paul for giving me knowledge of ham and how the rest of these wackos are really not happy to associated with him.
You missed a chance to call Dr. Nicolas Steno the "Titular Bishop of Titopolis"!!! Great job. If you ever need any help with geologic research feel free to reach out. Sincerely, a geologist. This also would have been a good chance to talk about transgressive/regressive boundaries. This is simple layers of alternating types of rock (Sandstone, shale, limestone) that depict a sea level rise or decrease.
if the geologic column was due to a great flood, we should not find ANY sea creatures in the lowest layers, as they could SWIM. They would all be in the upper layers, having managed to swim to the top, and only dying when their food or oxygen supply ran out.
and exactly how does that explain the normal fish that didn't live in coral reefs, or weren't bottom feeders, (I don't even know what you are bringing up salt versus fresh for, since that's the WORST argument for a flood) or or or not clams, not oysters and not crabs? If ANY normal fish that could swim and didn't need to stay near the bottom were fossilized at the time of the flood, in the lowest layers, that falsifies the flood... PERIOD. Bringing up a few possible exceptions that would have been forced to remain on the bottom only shows what a bad idea the flood myth is to begin with.
I don't believe in a WWF I just said that they shouldn't find the fish in the bottom layers because they could swim was not a good reason. That would not mean that they wouldn't be in the lower layers. And the WWF believers say fresh water is lighter than salt water and that would be thousands of feet above the original sea level. surface so salt water fish would have died and sank to the bottom of the sea. Even if they died over high ground they would have been washed down by the trenchant rivers that were formed by the flood . and the subsequent draining . Lost cause . They wont listen. The whole thing is stupid. Anyway i guess i read your comment wrong . I agree a global flood covering the earth 20 ft above the highest mountains as little as 5,ooo years ago is ridicules. The story may have an original source as many local floods may have inspired myths after the last ice age. It is a little hilarious that we are debating such a thing but i just can't help it. I believe the people in the biblical time period did not understand the scope of the world and were only concerned of the known world, many examples of this are given in the bible Plus if they went out to sea where land disappeared they wold think the whole earth was flooded, that is if they ever made it back to talk about it. . So the idea that credibility of the bible rest on physical evidence of a WWF is ludicrous. The bible was written in a time where little was known about geography, cosmology or physics. And reflects that and should show a world through the ancient eyes that lived it. If it didn't it would be a fake.. What ! Just goofing around sorry to bother you.
Depth in the column and elevation are two different things. You touch on the concept of no mammals reaching the high ground which is a good point but beyond that we don't see things sorted by elevation we see them sorted by depth of the column. Fossils at low and high elevations are sorted by depth and evolutionary progression. I ask creationists to pick any method they want. Running speed, swimming speed, intelligence etc, you don't find a sort pattern by any of those they are sorted as evolution would expect.
Sorry Paul, one tiny point: no decent fossils before the Cambrian (well, actually an eon before that!) so land animals only occupy a tiny percentage of the geologic column in total. Not 20%, maybe only 10? For almost all the geologic column (approx 4 billion years) there is very little at all. It is only the last half a billion years that exciting stuff happens and then most of it is underwater. Brilliant as ever though and well-done on the pronunciations, especially if you don't like geology (so says Shannon). It happens to be my job.
Andrew . I'm afraid that would make the calculation worse not better: more like 80%. I'm not trying to be picky, it's just that Paul's video's are great and his objectives are worthy. It is worth getting it all correct and rubbing the disingenuous creatards faces in the truth.
Nicholas Steno born Niels Steensen was quite brilliant, he also discovered tear ducts (Ductus stenonianus or Stensen's duct) by dissecting sheeps heads. But then the guy became a Catholic priest and dropped science.
About 4 or 5 minutes in, I think you got some details wrong about radiometric dating. That only works on igneous rock. It doesn't work on sedimentary rock because the sediments are made from older rock -- so they work out the age of the index fossils by seeing which igneous rocks they're found between.
+Paulogia 7:17 "Obviously, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." I've heard this claim many times...often from theists making excuses for the absence of their god. xD It seems quite clear that it is just wrong. Absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence, it simply not conclusive evidence of absence. It is merely one small piece of evidence pointing towards absence. The more such observations are made, the stronger the evidence. I would like to hear your thoughts on this. :) Thanks for your great videos, you're doing important work!!
To quote Logicked, on the topic of sea creature fossils found at the top of mountains: "Duh... what's a mountain?" That's why you can find sea creatures at the top of mountains: *THEY'RE MOUNTAINS.* If you don't know what a mountain is, that makes no sense and is a complete mystery. If you know what a mountain is, it would be more surprising not to find fossils in them for creatures that don't belong in that sort of terrain. Because mountains are....? C'mon, kids, remember your high school geology classes, if you weren't homeschooled and therefore automatically failed. Plate tectonics. Look it up. Jesus christ... MOUNTAIN AM BIGROCK DER4 Y FOSSIL is not a valid argument against science, kids.
@Paulogia You should keep a keen eye on that Tony Reed, he might be a wolf in sheep cloth, there are rumours that he making videos of how "How Creationism Taught Me Real Science"
According to creationists, the fossil record isn't a record of the history of life. Rather it's a record of the time when their loving god god got really upset and killed almost every living thing on earth. I'm not sure I'd use that particular argument.
Mt 5:43, ' "You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy" " '. 44, "But i tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". In the Bible, neighbor-as in the case of good Samaritan could be even a person in N.Korea.
Colossians 2: 8. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. A number of comments here say this is wrong. I disagree. The statement itself is correct. However, absence of evidence and the lack of need for existence is good evidence of absence. If we can’t find it AND we don’t need it, it is probably not there. Luckily, we don’t need god to explain things.
It still amazes me how blatantly dishonest these "experts" are when they talk. Its not just lies of omission either, its complete misrepresentations and outright lies.
So? Why do Christians think quoting the bible means anything? Seriously, you know we think it is irrelevant. What do you expect to gain? You certainly can’t win an argument that way.
Small nitpick of 7:15 - abscence of evidence can be evidence of abscence in several circumstances, for example in this case the fact that palaeontologists have been scouring precambrian rocks for 200 years and yet to find a single land-dwelling animal is pretty good evidence that none existed back then. Note that this is *evidence,* not proof, of course.
So hard to believe out of the 1000's of views, you got two thumbs down. I say we find these individuals & water board them to see how fast their faces erode...just kidding of course:)
How in the fuck did "Noah's flood" always put bunny rabbits in the top most layers and dinosaurs in the lower layers? Layers of different rock types mind you. Different layers that have different magnetic properties mind you. This flood was pretty damn smart. You have to admit that Noah's flood was able to see the future and anticipate the need to separate things so that it seemed science was right while simultaneously camouflaging the notion that it was really just a flood and that billions of life forms all existed at the same time and were simply laid down magically in different layers to make it seem they came from different eras millions of years apart. Wow sentient floods are both amazing and confusing all at the same time. We'll set aside the question of where did almost 15 thousand feet of water go and simply focus on the sentient floods ability to put animals in layers that perfectly mimics the geologic time scale that science has shown us to be a fact.
That guy asking "how'd they get there?!" about marine fossils found on mountains reminds me of Bill O'Reilly asking about the tides. That's an excellent question for a child to ask, but not someone pretending to be an authority on the subject. And it's made all the worse by what you pointed out: they accept some form of tectonic activity, they just dispute the time scales involved. So I'm baffled as to why they'd include his incredulous question in the video.
If I had to guess why, it's because it *sounds* like an obvious "gotcha" point and they need as many as possible to sow the seeds of doubt in the official story in order to put forward theirs.
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Then where do they think the mountains come from?
Oh. Right. The same excuse they use in Xena when a continuity error happens. "A wizard did it".
"Tides goes in, Tides goes out! Sun goes up, Sun goes down! Bread goes in, Toast comes out! I molest women, I molest men, you cant explain any of that!" Bill O'Really
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This is going to make the next 12 minutes of my job tolerable.
Cant wait for the whole series to be complete for binge watching. Keep at it.
"science doesn't know everything, religion doesn't know anything" -AronRa
Great Vid Paulogia!!
I became a Patreon just due to how much work must have went into this series.
Thanks man, this is impressive
Always nice to see you take on Ken Ham
TheKyrix82 this is Eric hovind
Yes it is. But I'm pretty sure the movie was an AiG production, which leads back to the un-kosher Mr pork himself
Well if that's the case, then I stand corrected. The YEC groups all run together in my head.
Also, when did Logicked ever do ANYTHING about this movie? He's been debunking KENT Hovind for years, but this is Eric Hovind, and about a recent movie
Kent probably had a huge impact. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a different person. Since we're talking about Genesis, let's look at some other fiction. Obi Wan more or less raised Anakin from the age of 9 or so. The two couldn't have turned out more different. Or let's look at a more relevant fiction: How Christians see Yahweh vs how they see Jesus. Logicked did a lot of work on an old Kent Hovind lecture from before he went to prison, whereas this is a movie Eric Hovind did recently with collaboration of lots of other YEC sources
Creationists have spent - and are spending - *BILLIONS* of dollars to defend an all-powerful god, whose existence is "obvious". Their beliefs and their incomes might need defending, but I'm pretty sure that a god would not.
Agreed.
I would make two word substitutions in your comment. Substitute spent with made and spending with making.
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Indeed, the Christian Church or Chatholic Church to be more precise, is among the richest in the world for a reason and it's not because God is a giver, lol.
I've been watching this series for days now, and I just noticed how much work, research and effort all of these videos take. Thank you, Paulogia.
I find it interesting that they chose a narrator for their film who sounds a bit like Neil Degrasse Tyson. This cannot be a coincidence.
that voice sure does sound like tyson! what a rip-off.
This is Eric Hovind and the director guy's attempt to take on Cosmos with a christian spin, so it's no coincidence the narrator of this film sounds like Dr. Tyson.
It's so obvious that it's actually pathetic. A sad attempt to give credibility to their nonsense. I could be wrong but it sounds to me like they electronically manipulated the voice to sound more like Tyson. It's like they think that all science is propaganda against them and if they make their own propaganda then they're somehow on the same level.
Mabatch
Wow. The thought of them electronically manipulating the narrator's voice did cross my mind. I didn't mention it in my OP because I convinced myself I was being too cynical. But, I think you are right. The narrator's voice does not sound natural.
I was thinking the same thing!
As a geologist studying the Snake River and Yellowstone track, I happily accept that catastrophic events can happen on relatively short time scales. But this doesn't really contradict the principle of uniformitarianism because they act on and in different scales. All identified catastrophic events are local, even if huge from our perspectives.
That said, one can be assured that when Yellowstone blows, it will have a bigger global impact than any flood a bunch of stinky old goat herders could imagine. So I am a bit astounded when the people making these movies get up and talk b/s so readily and blatantly. It's like me explaining NASCAR from the perspective of a tailgate party lol
ROFL good points!
I think you mean 'the principle of uniformitarianism' rather than 'the principle of authoritarianism'. That being said, I agree with you, although things like the Chicxulub event were truly global in their effect.
Condor thank you for the correction. Uhg! I've fixed it.
Have you seen the talk about meteor strikes like Chicxulub causing eruptions on the opposite side of our Earth? Decca and Siberia events were offered up. If true they would certainly add to the global scope of the impact.
Love this series and I truly appreciate the amount of research you do and providing links for so more source material than I ever have time to read.
Purps!
Paulogia
You just keep knocking them out of the park, excellent video.
🎵Paulogia, paulogia, paulogiiiia🎵 to the tune of Hallelujah! This is what my brain just did as I clicked on your video =) Yay! And also, weird but fun...thanks brain!
*"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"*
Quite. Except in this case we don't have an absence, we have a plethora of negative evidence. A true absence is more like seeing a picture of a cat and being asked if the cat is still in the same room.
Great stuff as usual, Paul.
Love the content as always, Paul! Your show was one of the first I ever subscribed to after I de-converted, and I've been watching you ever since. Your take downs of backwards science like this has been an inspiration to me. Please keep up the great work, and you can expect my support for the long haul!
Fantastic, is what this series is.
Thanks alot!
I have never seen anyone being ripped a new one in such a wonderful fashion while I am learning things. Thank you. :)
You work so hard :) I know how much you hate Geology research lol
no more for three weeks! 😙
Shannon Q you're hot
I'm not excited at all ;)
I love supporting the community! But this guy's special :)
Shannon Q Wow, you are sexy!
I look forward to the next episode. This one was a home run too.
Thank you again Paul. You do fantastic work.
A Geologist friend of mine loves your work. He rarely encounters a YEC’er, but has found some of your resources valuable.
Of course as have I. These nudniks just keep stretching their explanations in a game of catch up. Recently anggod friend died. At the wake many got up and proclaimed that he was either 1) in heaven or 2) in the arms of Jesus. As of late I spend more time reading science than the Bible so I asked a Christian friend of mine where they got their references from. My memory indicated the above were not written anywhere in the Bible (other weirdness was proclaimed, but I will spare the details🙄). His response was: “Time becomes a relative thing in the arms of an eternal Being.” So not only did he not answer my question, he jumped right into an understanding of the time/space continuum that for them covers all inconsistencies and incongruities of their “literal” interpretation of the Bible.
Ack! Deeply annoyed!
Have you ever had one of *those* days? Well this made it go better. Always great seeing you uploading another video. Cheers m8!
The whole denial of geology for YEC's focuses on the radiometric dating while ignoring the patterns of fossil distribution that completely falsify any of the YEC models for flood deposition. The density model doesn't work with even the most minimalist study. The running for high ground model is completely ridiculous. Burying by ecosystem isn't true as the geologic column is many stacked ecosystems and not just one buried in flood sediment. The Berthault sediment layering doesn't explain anything except for repeated thin sandstone layering under the most specific of conditions. Then they say this flood was so powerful to do major carving but was weak enough to keep delicate fossils intact and keep salt and freshwater from mixing. Then when pressed they say it was a "combination of all of these" like that somehow magically can work. They tend to not think about geological sorting much beyond the 5 minutes of talking points in this video.
Paulogia, this, also, was great! Oh no, the incest times are acomming! Poor you. I can't wait to see if they even mention it. Or, like the rest of the facts, will they gloss over, distort, or even avoid it? The more you know... the worse they look! Thankyou for your hard work on these. Love and Peace
thanks, Laura!
Honestly, I think Cain continued the population with his mom...
Marilyn Newman - as a child (8 or 9), being forced to go to Hebrew school, we read that g*d created adam then from a rib he created eve, then they had Cain and able, then Cain killed abel. Then I asked too many questions about why they could not have knowledge. .. then i was asked not to return. So I never got any further reading a book of fairy tales that just served as an excuse to systematically destroy my people. Since we were told they were the only humans, it was only snatural that Cain fucked his mom. But, I degress, here I am justifying a response to your justification of hebrew fan fiction. Isn't it sad that this book of fiction brought on the reality of 2000 yrs of horror, terror, torture, displacement rape racism sexism homophobia anti-islamia anti-semitism hatred child abuse and molestation condoning slavery and murder of the jews cuz they were there and know for a fact that not only did jesus never exist, the cockroach mentality christians stole yeoweh and glued on a jesus son and holy ghost. Interesting story, HUH!!! I am simply amazed that adults actually believe this nonsense and bullshit. And use it against others as proof of what?
RE Hoover you and Marilyn Newman had a great conversation. It came up on my phone (RUclips) because of my comment. That is what is good, people talking this through. But, I am anti-theist for the very same things you mentioned, and came to that when I was in my early 20's, after having to read the bible 5 times, a couple different versions. Later, learning history just made me more anti religion, all religion. And that was while usually working, sometimes two jobs and a while before the internet. Well, I came to the internet late anyway. But, good points. Love and Peace
Marilyn Newman - it's more accurate to say scientists that are christians, are catholic. The "christian scientist" implies the actual religion by that name (dangerous folk that don't believe in medicine or science).
And, yeah, I am aware of how the ministry does manipulate their flocks!!
I was raised by parents that were not religious, but liars to the MAX and it drives me nuts when I know I'm being lied to.
I strive for the truth and see nothing truthful about the church ... how could an organization with a foundation based on its horrendous history? In my last statement to you I mentioned the core values of the church - these are based on my research of their history.
I will say again that with my resent 1.5 yrs of retirement research into the horrors of the church and bible, I am extremely blown away by how christians take the bible literally. At 9 I was unable to even bring myself to believe in the nonsense and at 11 my dad's pal dropped us off at a hell and damnation sermon and I knew it was lies then too.
The catholic church since the 4th century has of horror just in its pedophile priests.
I know and knew it couldn't be a believeable proposition or organization to support and raise itself up in history with such horror and abuse, I didn't even mention the inquisitions or martin luther. .. i did some research on him too - the nazis final solution is based on his writings. That's why I am an anti-theist.
You know, while watching this video, I was thinking back to things I saw and had explained to me at various points in my lifetime. I thought to when I first went to the Grand Canyon, when I was 3, and I asked how it was made. I was told that the rocks were eroded away by the Colorado River, still at the bottom of the canyon, much as I'd seen sand stirred up and moved by creeks. I imagined that the Colorado River was once MUCH BIGGER, and imagined that its roaring waters took the rock away very rapidly - much like sand. There are other examples from early childhood.
I since had better explanations, found in everything from visitor's guides to textbooks to teachers of relevant classes to reading peer-reviewed journal articles. I found that some of my visualizations of descriptions I had in early childhood were correct, but my timeframe was way off. In the instance above, being 3, I thought a decade was a very long period of time, and really could not comprehend millions or billions.
I had some similar experiences with the concept of evolution, when dinosaurs were, and believed what I saw on The Flintstones. I knew dinosaurs were a long time ago, cavemen were a long time ago, my great grandparents were children a long time ago. A long time ago = a long time ago! I once asked my grandmother if people lived in caves when she was a girl!
When listening to the clips from the creationists, it seems to me like many of them are stuck in the explanations based on my understandings in early childhood. It's like they cannot comprehend large numbers or long periods of time. It seems to me much like they refused to listen to, read, or be willing to say that their first impressions were wrong, and to accept a more complex description might better describe reality.
Maybe they are stuck in an early-childhood stage of development, complete with magical thinking. Hmmm. This is going to require more thought. I refuse to believe that religion is always a mental illness or developmental disorder.
Missed you thanks for posting again
People who say, you can't see the geologic column, need to visit the jurrassic coast, on England's south coast! It can be seen for dozens of miles! And is a perfect, visual example, of earths great age!
Unrelated to the conversation, so excuse me for posting here, but has anyone noticed that the AiG youtube channel has closed off the comments sections for its videos or are they just not showing up for me for some technological reason? Paulogia, loving the videos, keep them coming.
Good job paul! Always enjoy your videos!
Much love to you and all :)
Another well done video Paul.
Mann! I fooking wish I were able to go back to a time where we could make stupidly obvious statements like "the oldest layers are on bottom and the youngest layers are on top" and then get praised for it as a super important fundamental concept for thousands of years to come :/
EXCELLENT work
Thanks, I've been waiting for this!
Thank you for using the term "Radiometric Dating" instead of the more common "Carbon Dating" which seems to be used in a sloppy fashion by way to many people in debates and such.
It's hard to carbon date rocks, I think you refer to situations where they actually talk about carbon dating and how when misapplied it can give wrong results. Even most creationists know the difference though.
Jeremy Wickersheimer a lot of the worst of the worst use the limitations of carbon dating to try and discredit all forms of radio metric dating. I’m taking about folks like the Hovinds and Ken Ham
Don’t worry you will catch up with logicked...I mean just look a your material..keep it up
Good work Paul. You'd have earned a(nother?) PhD by the end of the film - if not in an -ology, then in patience and fair play.
Yay! Ray Troll art at 0:47. His books are worth looking for.
I enjoy the work you do. I would point out, however, the picture at 10:31 is of Horseshoe bend. It is in Glenn Canyon and not the Grand Canyon. Many people make this mistake.
Dolobite or Donotlobite; there is no Trilobite.
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Agreelobite!
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There is no spoon
BPD MF SPOONLOBITE!
Generely speaking you are right when you say that absense of evidence is not evidence of absense. However, if you don't find any evidence in a place where, according to the hypothesis you are investigating, evidence should be found then the absense of evidence indeed is evidense of absense. Granted, a single instance of lack of evidence is not particulary good evidence, but if evidence is lacking in a large number of instances with not a single instance of positive evidence, then the absense of evidence is a pretty good evidence of absense.
For more information on the impossibility of Noah's flood, I would suggest Aron Ra's series of videos that totally disprove any possibility of the flood.
@4:22 someone tried to convince me these were gears from the pre-flood civilization an Oopart
wtf?!?
You never heard of that one this is a better example ruidodecolor.blogspot.com/p/arqueologia.html
In 2012 they released a stone in a site of 400 million year old rock of antiquity
200 kiliometers (something) of a tigil in russia they found a mechnism of with aspects of metalwork and gears such as clockswork
As you apprecite the photgraph
It is not the first time machinery has been found in ancient stone
En el año 2012 se ha hallado una roca, durante unas excavaciones, que data de unos 400 millones de años de antigüedad, a 200 kilómetros de la ciudad de Tigil (Rusia), en cuyo interior se han encontrado unos mecanismos de aspecto metálico como de un engranaje, similar a la maquinaria de un reloj, como se puede apreciar en la fotografía. No es la primera vez que se encuentran semejantes mecanismos incrustados en el interior de milenarias rocas.
Its Brazilian so forgive me for any mistranslation
Love the Littlest Hobo running with the steak he outsmarted the corner gas guys to steal.
I remember Tony Reid did a video on the seashells fossil as did 2 other debunking creationism channels, I just forgot their channel names tho.
A "Littlest Hobo" clip to signal "moving on," very Canadian!
I just saw you post about this on a video taking on Kent Hovind a few hours ago, talking about how you had 50 minutes left on his son Eric. And here it is, more debunking. Lol awesome timing
Edit: video was on Logicked's channel
Cluckery Duckery We probably all subscribe to the same few RUclipsrs..
Noble Athenian haha yeah I'm sure many of us do
Another good example an of unlikely ordering of death and burial during the flood is that all pterosaurs (e.g. pterodactyls) are found *below* all whales, dolphins, manatees, seals, etc.
The clams shovel footed themselves up to the top of the mountains.
I liked the Jurassic World clips you used, even if the animals in the clips are inaccurate.
Still chuckling about the Littlest Hobo reference at a the end...
Glad someone caught it.
Moving on ... didnt get it til i saw this comment ... was just at the right bit to see it though
I live in Finland and I had a really weird experience. An american preacher tried to convert me by asking where earth came and I started to explain how planets are "born" and earth formed about 5 billion years ago he s a started rambling how that is lie that they want you to believe. I then just asked that "you are one of those ken ham types who believe earth is 6000 years old?" he just said "yes" in very quiet manner and walked away. Thanks Paul for giving me knowledge of ham and how the rest of these wackos are really not happy to associated with him.
Great stuff
You missed a chance to call Dr. Nicolas Steno the "Titular Bishop of Titopolis"!!! Great job. If you ever need any help with geologic research feel free to reach out. Sincerely, a geologist. This also would have been a good chance to talk about transgressive/regressive boundaries. This is simple layers of alternating types of rock (Sandstone, shale, limestone) that depict a sea level rise or decrease.
if the geologic column was due to a great flood, we should not find ANY sea creatures in the lowest layers, as they could SWIM. They would all be in the upper layers, having managed to swim to the top, and only dying when their food or oxygen supply ran out.
What about the ones that live on coral reefs ? Or bottom feeders. or salt water fish fresh water fish . or or or. Clams ousters crabs ETC.
and exactly how does that explain the normal fish that didn't live in coral reefs, or weren't bottom feeders, (I don't even know what you are bringing up salt versus fresh for, since that's the WORST argument for a flood) or or or not clams, not oysters and not crabs?
If ANY normal fish that could swim and didn't need to stay near the bottom were fossilized at the time of the flood, in the lowest layers, that falsifies the flood... PERIOD. Bringing up a few possible exceptions that would have been forced to remain on the bottom only shows what a bad idea the flood myth is to begin with.
I don't believe in a WWF I just said that they shouldn't find the fish in the bottom layers because they could swim was not a good reason. That would not mean that they wouldn't be in the lower layers. And the WWF believers say fresh water is lighter than salt water and that would be thousands of feet above the original sea level. surface so salt water fish would have died and sank to the bottom of the sea. Even if they died over high ground they would have been washed down by the trenchant rivers that were formed by the flood . and the subsequent draining . Lost cause . They wont listen. The whole thing is stupid.
Anyway i guess i read your comment wrong . I agree a global flood covering the earth 20 ft above the highest mountains as little as 5,ooo years ago is ridicules. The story may have an original source as many local floods may have inspired myths after the last ice age. It is a little hilarious that we are debating such a thing but i just can't help it.
I believe the people in the biblical time period did not understand the scope of the world and were only concerned of the known world, many examples of this are given in the bible Plus if they went out to sea where land disappeared they wold think the whole earth was flooded, that is if they ever made it back to talk about it. . So the idea that credibility of the bible rest on physical evidence of a WWF is ludicrous. The bible was written in a time where little was known about geography, cosmology or physics. And reflects that and should show a world through the ancient eyes that lived it. If it didn't it would be a fake.. What ! Just goofing around sorry to bother you.
ah ok it's cool... I wasn't sure if you were trying to be serious or joking.
Oh goody, a topic that gives Wildwood Claire fits. "Creationist Geology"
Depth in the column and elevation are two different things. You touch on the concept of no mammals reaching the high ground which is a good point but beyond that we don't see things sorted by elevation we see them sorted by depth of the column. Fossils at low and high elevations are sorted by depth and evolutionary progression. I ask creationists to pick any method they want. Running speed, swimming speed, intelligence etc, you don't find a sort pattern by any of those they are sorted as evolution would expect.
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thanks Owl!
Sorry Paul, one tiny point: no decent fossils before the Cambrian (well, actually an eon before that!) so land animals only occupy a tiny percentage of the geologic column in total. Not 20%, maybe only 10? For almost all the geologic column (approx 4 billion years) there is very little at all. It is only the last half a billion years that exciting stuff happens and then most of it is underwater. Brilliant as ever though and well-done on the pronunciations, especially if you don't like geology (so says Shannon). It happens to be my job.
Im pretty sure he meant of the layers with life, land animals are only 20%. Myself and i think most people watching the video assumed this.
Andrew . I'm afraid that would make the calculation worse not better: more like 80%. I'm not trying to be picky, it's just that Paul's video's are great and his objectives are worthy. It is worth getting it all correct and rubbing the disingenuous creatards faces in the truth.
Ouch. Was the person who fell at the finishing tape OK?
That bad narrator voice at 0:20 cracks me up
Nicholas Steno born Niels Steensen was quite brilliant, he also discovered tear ducts (Ductus stenonianus or Stensen's duct) by dissecting sheeps heads. But then the guy became a Catholic priest and dropped science.
About 4 or 5 minutes in, I think you got some details wrong about radiometric dating. That only works on igneous rock. It doesn't work on sedimentary rock because the sediments are made from older rock -- so they work out the age of the index fossils by seeing which igneous rocks they're found between.
I really dislike how they chose a narrator that sounds very much like Neil Degrass Tyson...as if co-oping his voice gives their videos more validity.
+Paulogia 7:17 "Obviously, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
I've heard this claim many times...often from theists making excuses for the absence of their god. xD It seems quite clear that it is just wrong. Absence of evidence is indeed evidence of absence, it simply not conclusive evidence of absence. It is merely one small piece of evidence pointing towards absence. The more such observations are made, the stronger the evidence.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this. :)
Thanks for your great videos, you're doing important work!!
@8:55 made me want to go fishing...
Why I always hear in intro "show that the bile is true"..... ????
To quote Logicked, on the topic of sea creature fossils found at the top of mountains: "Duh... what's a mountain?"
That's why you can find sea creatures at the top of mountains: *THEY'RE MOUNTAINS.* If you don't know what a mountain is, that makes no sense and is a complete mystery. If you know what a mountain is, it would be more surprising not to find fossils in them for creatures that don't belong in that sort of terrain.
Because mountains are....? C'mon, kids, remember your high school geology classes, if you weren't homeschooled and therefore automatically failed. Plate tectonics. Look it up. Jesus christ... MOUNTAIN AM BIGROCK DER4 Y FOSSIL is not a valid argument against science, kids.
Ah. The soothing voice of Faux Degrasse Tyson.
Pre-Cambrian Bunnies for the win.
11:03 They say the grand canyon was formed in about 150,000 years SUPER QUICK due to the rock... sand or lime stone or something
The casting call for Hovind's film included "narrator who sounds like Neil deGrasse Tyson," right?
the dishonesty implicit in creationism literally makes me sick to my stomach.
2 down votes. Looks like Eric & Kent watched.
@Paulogia
You should keep a keen eye on that Tony Reed, he might be a wolf in sheep cloth, there are rumours that he making videos of how
"How Creationism Taught Me Real Science"
Bottoms come up when tectonic things happen.
According to creationists, the fossil record isn't a record of the history of life. Rather it's a record of the time when their loving god god got really upset and killed almost every living thing on earth. I'm not sure I'd use that particular argument.
We also have the fossilized remains of dinosaurs stomach contents, and no velociraptor ever ate a bunny!?
Mt 5:43, ' "You have heard that it was said, "Love your neighbor and hate your enemy" " '. 44, "But i tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you". In the Bible, neighbor-as in the case of good Samaritan could be even a person in N.Korea.
the bible says a lot of things, so what?
Makes sense, sea creatures drown first.... Oh wait!
Colossians 2: 8.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Exactly what yec's are doing.
"Part Eight - Dating Troubles" Is it going to be about how Adam couldn't make it to first base with Eve until a snake came along?
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. A number of comments here say this is wrong.
I disagree. The statement itself is correct.
However, absence of evidence and the lack of need for existence is good evidence of absence.
If we can’t find it AND we don’t need it, it is probably not there.
Luckily, we don’t need god to explain things.
It sire seems they are trying to do everything they can to limit the amount of information people get from outside Creationist sources.
It still amazes me how blatantly dishonest these "experts" are when they talk. Its not just lies of omission either, its complete misrepresentations and outright lies.
I know this is one of the more serious videos but... Why oh why did you not include Menonites in the index fossils? 🤣
Hebrews 3:4
For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.
So?
Why do Christians think quoting the bible means anything?
Seriously, you know we think it is irrelevant. What do you expect to gain? You certainly can’t win an argument that way.
Small nitpick of 7:15 - abscence of evidence can be evidence of abscence in several circumstances, for example in this case the fact that palaeontologists have been scouring precambrian rocks for 200 years and yet to find a single land-dwelling animal is pretty good evidence that none existed back then. Note that this is *evidence,* not proof, of course.
I'm always amazed how much they have to lie to prove the truth of the bible.
I bet Ken ham is one of the three people who disliked this video
So hard to believe out of the 1000's of views, you got two thumbs down. I say we find these individuals & water board them to see how fast their faces erode...just kidding of course:)
Bud Askins ...finding them is simple. Ken Ham and Eric Hovind. Lol
Bud Askins I down voted. I'm a Christian
Constant rain does not wash anything. It just fills and fills. What nitwit has watched floodwaters suddenly gain surfing behavior?
that cow up a telegraph pole was udderly ridiculous.
You got a beef with that?
Isn’t this basic Earth Science? Like we learned this in middle school…
8:57 throwing shade at flat chested girls
Where did the water come from and where did it go? Like with flat earthers...where is the edge? It should be the first obvious question.
How in the fuck did "Noah's flood" always put bunny rabbits in the top most layers and dinosaurs in the lower layers? Layers of different rock types mind you. Different layers that have different magnetic properties mind you. This flood was pretty damn smart. You have to admit that Noah's flood was able to see the future and anticipate the need to separate things so that it seemed science was right while simultaneously camouflaging the notion that it was really just a flood and that billions of life forms all existed at the same time and were simply laid down magically in different layers to make it seem they came from different eras millions of years apart. Wow sentient floods are both amazing and confusing all at the same time. We'll set aside the question of where did almost 15 thousand feet of water go and simply focus on the sentient floods ability to put animals in layers that perfectly mimics the geologic time scale that science has shown us to be a fact.
The narrator really wants to be Neil Degrasse Tyson
Sounds like they found someone that sounded like Neil Degrass Tyson to make the statements sound more true
Are these creationists going to get the terminology wrong for everything? And then they wonder why people don't see them as scientists.
I did not want to break the 666 likes so, here's my like. ( I know, kind of lame, yet, here it is)