I have this machine with all the parts but the parts are not assembled, is there any video or set of insturctions on how to set up this machine. I think i have got the honda hoc hs60 Please let me know and thank you.
Go online on Google and look up Bartell Power Trowel parts breakdown. www.bartellglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/PB-B19003-B436.pdf You will see a complete breakdown in detail of all the parts. Thanks Al
Do you know when it's time to change gearbox fluid? And how much? Or to what fill line? I have a white man walk behind and it's been a good 6 years and never changed the gear oil.and does a 80-90 weight gear oil work ? Sorry for all the questions
Sounds like a good time to change the gear lube now with 80-90. If it looks dark at all it is easy and cheap to change. It is full on most machines when it just runs out of the fill hole. Grease the trowel arms frequently, we would sometimes take them out of the spider plate, clean them and grease them. Take care of these and they be reliable and last a long time. Thanks: Al the concrete guy.
@@burntle give it a quick run before draining it. I drained mine ( masterfinish) looked clean until the last bit. Get the crud mixed up to drain it off is been sitting for a little bit.
The principle of blade angle is this, each blade as it passes under the trowel handle that you are holding onto and putting weight on must be identical to all the others. If not the machine either jumps or digs in. When the machines come from the factory they clamp a jig on each arm before they install it in the machine, then run the adjustment nut to a stop and then lock it in place with the lock nut. This works great when new but I am always working with old worn junk machines and had to figure a way to do it on the floor with the machine fully assembled. This method will get you in the ballpark. Find a very flat section of concrete floor or thick piece of plywood . Clean all old concrete off the blades ( new blades will work the best for this) and make sure they move freely not stuck or seized where they go into the spider plate. If they are remove each one from the spider plate then clean and grease them. Make sure they go back into the same holes. With the machine flat on the floor turn trowel pitch nob to flat with no angle then hang a weight on the trowel handle ( I use a washer fluid jug one gallon). Rotate the handle directly over one of the trowel blades ( mark this blade with paint or magic marker). Turn the pitch nob on the handle until you see about 1/8" gap under the blade. I use a piece of flat metal stock 1/8" thick ( the end of a ruler works also) as a gauge and lay it on the floor where the blade is closest to the center of the machine. Turn the pitch adjustment on the handle until the blade just touches the metal at the blades edge. This will be the blade that the rest are set to. Then rotate the trowel handle till it is over the next trowel arm. Using my 1/8" piece of metal I unlock and then turn the adjustment bolt until it is 1/8' inch up like the other. Then go to the final two blades and adjust them. I have found that every time you change one blade adjustment it affects the others, so you may have to go around a few times to get it close. If the first blades measurement has changed from 1/8" readjust it with the pitch control nob on the handle to 1/8" and then go around and set each blade again. ( Don't touch the adjuster bolt on the first blade, leave it as the base point to work from.) Next when you think it is close lay an old piece of 4'X4' plywood on the floor and run the machine like you are troweling ( throw some water on the plywood for lube) When you run the machine it should be fairly close but sometimes an arm is bent a bit or the trowels are not identical ( it is best to do this with new blades.) If one blade is dragging or seems too high put a touch of paint on each blade in different spots on the blade so you can identify which one it is while running it slowly on the plywood, then adjust that blade a little at a time. (1/4 turn on adjusting nut.) There are so many variables here but this will get you close. If the blades are off just a bit with use they will wear in and the machine will smooth out. Hope this helped - Al
Awesome vintage machine. Nice vid!
What kind of oil do you use for the gearbox?
We use 80-90 weight gear lube.
I have this machine with all the parts but the parts are not assembled, is there any video or set of insturctions on how to set up this machine. I think i have got the honda hoc hs60
Please let me know and thank you.
Go online on Google and look up Bartell Power Trowel parts breakdown. www.bartellglobal.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/PB-B19003-B436.pdf You will see a complete breakdown in detail of all the parts. Thanks Al
Where can i find gear box parts for old Whitman man machines
Anthony: I have not seen a Whiteman trowel here for many years, they are not common where I live. Try Ebay, can't really help you on this one. - Al
Do you know when it's time to change gearbox fluid? And how much? Or to what fill line? I have a white man walk behind and it's been a good 6 years and never changed the gear oil.and does a 80-90 weight gear oil work ? Sorry for all the questions
Sounds like a good time to change the gear lube now with 80-90. If it looks dark at all it is easy and cheap to change. It is full on most machines when it just runs out of the fill hole. Grease the trowel arms frequently, we would sometimes take them out of the spider plate, clean them and grease them. Take care of these and they be reliable and last a long time.
Thanks: Al the concrete guy.
@@burntle yes sir.now if I could just get the two bolt screws off cause they're on tight .one 7/16 square nut and the other bigger see through bolt.
@@burntle give it a quick run before draining it. I drained mine ( masterfinish) looked clean until the last bit. Get the crud mixed up to drain it off is been sitting for a little bit.
What size belt is that
Jesus: Looks like the belt is 27" on outside diameter and 1/2" wide. Belt is marked at 4L 27O. Thanks - Al
@@burntle thank you buddy. Great machine by the way
How do you balance blades
The principle of blade angle is this, each blade as it passes under the trowel handle that you are holding onto and putting weight on must be identical to all the others. If not the machine either jumps or digs in. When the machines come from the factory they clamp a jig on each arm before they install it in the machine, then run the adjustment nut to a stop and then lock it in place with the lock nut. This works great when new but I am always working with old worn junk machines and had to figure a way to do it on the floor with the machine fully assembled.
This method will get you in the ballpark. Find a very flat section of concrete floor or thick piece of plywood . Clean all old concrete off the blades ( new blades will work the best for this) and make sure they move freely not stuck or seized where they go into the spider plate. If they are remove each one from the spider plate then clean and grease them. Make sure they go back into the same holes.
With the machine flat on the floor turn trowel pitch nob to flat with no angle then hang a weight on the trowel handle ( I use a washer fluid jug one gallon).
Rotate the handle directly over one of the trowel blades ( mark this blade with paint or magic marker). Turn the pitch nob on the handle until you see about 1/8" gap under the blade. I use a piece of flat metal stock 1/8" thick ( the end of a ruler works also) as a gauge and lay it on the floor where the blade is closest to the center of the machine. Turn the pitch adjustment on the handle until the blade just touches the metal at the blades edge. This will be the blade that the rest are set to.
Then rotate the trowel handle till it is over the next trowel arm. Using my 1/8" piece of metal I unlock and then turn the adjustment bolt until it is 1/8' inch up like the other. Then go to the final two blades and adjust them.
I have found that every time you change one blade adjustment it affects the others, so you may have to go around a few times to get it close. If the first blades measurement has changed from 1/8" readjust it with the pitch control nob on the handle to 1/8" and then go around and set each blade again. ( Don't touch the adjuster bolt on the first blade, leave it as the base point to work from.)
Next when you think it is close lay an old piece of 4'X4' plywood on the floor and run the machine like you are troweling ( throw some water on the plywood for lube)
When you run the machine it should be fairly close but sometimes an arm is bent a bit or the trowels are not identical ( it is best to do this with new blades.)
If one blade is dragging or seems too high put a touch of paint on each blade in different spots on the blade so you can identify which one it is while running it slowly on the plywood, then adjust that blade a little at a time. (1/4 turn on adjusting nut.)
There are so many variables here but this will get you close. If the blades are off just a bit with use they will wear in and the machine will smooth out.
Hope this helped - Al
What kid of oil does the transmission take
Angel Munoz i always use 80w90 gear oil...the newer walk behinds and rider usually take a synthetic