Peter Thiel | Nationalism Breaks the Dogma Machine | National Conservatism Conference II
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2021
- Peter Thiel's keynote at the second National Conservatism Conference, 10/31/21.
Peter Thiel reminds us that debate enables the wisdom of crowds and avoids the madness of crowds.
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Been watching thiel for a decade now. Have never seen him this flustered
Any idea why? Meds? Drugs?
@@sean9820 could just be sleep deprived, or hungover, or too much coffee, or too little coffee, could be getting over a cold, or maybe his dog died.. could be many things.. Still a very informative talk
@@gabrielgossett9663 good points, I thought it could be purely from the macro level events he is discussing
@@thisoldman99 Because he is in the midst of an epic battle which is at a watershed moment.
@@julianjdogg I agree with this as well but conservatism is fundamentally a losing strategy imo, they should pick a hand full of things that matter most and brand that as a grand new forward looking vision for the future.
peter thiel: i made 7 billion dollars
also peter thiel: one of my incredibly big misses - not buying bitcoin
hw would of put like 100k-1 mill on bitcoin not his entire net worth, hardly would of made a dent on his portfolio
@@be4unvme 100K in bitcoin in 2012 would be worth more than a billion now bro! It was at 5 dollars per coin in 2012, and it's at more than 50K per coin now .... do the math
@@nyahhbinghi in 2012 nobody was putting that type of money into Bitcoin. Maybe 5k. Someone avg like me and you maybe 500 bucks.
@@be4unvme Ppl where I know 5 of them
Brilliant man, but I’d count not partnering in Tesla as a miss.
"don't be trapped by dogma" - Steve Jobs / Stanford commencement. Quick question - opinion on mass formation theory. Maye the force
Why did you delete my comment? Am I not allowed to mention vdare? I thought your conference was about national conservatism. Why shouldn't you want to network with conservatives that value patriotism?
Most of the speakers at this conference were milquetoast mainstream conservative grifters
How do you know it was this org that had your comment deleted?
When was the last ticker tape parade for a person in America? The mid 20th century?
1990 for mandela
Hmm, sounds like Peter Thiel would like to introduce more skepticism and "alternate realities" into our society. The question is why?
its very obvious how everyone in the room, is giving Peter their undivided attention and with good reason. This man has amazing insights! We need more Thinkers and individuals like Peter. Thankyo Peter for an amazing speech!
Indeed. Pin drop
His book Zero to One is a really great book
Thanks for the video
It's fear, in my opinion that drives non-stop conformity and centralization. By the way it's in red states and blue states. American notion of diversity has gotten as deep as the graphic of ink injected into skin, or what colour our lifted pickup truck is painted.
This self-proclaimed defender of “American Conservative” values has a New Zealand passport and is now processing one for Malta. Having additional passport does not represent commitment to anyone but oneself.
I’ve been buying bitcoin regularly for past 5 years and am continuing to. With only 1 trillion market cap I’m convinced it’s still very cheap
Care to share how much you bought and what its worth?
"climate science"
peter thiel: "why not chemistry science?"
Imagine if Satoshi showed up saying hey where's my ticker tape parade?
Who is the guy is his talking about, can't find is name or any info. J Butter Charia?????
That ending, literally went "Oh my god" out loud after I had word for word mouthed "Satoshi Nakamoto" at the same time with him.
Was not expecting that either. What an ending
international nationlism would be the trend in post-modern soceity, which is not narrow or racist but more characteristic and open minded
Who was the academic he mentioned at the beginning?
Do a pushup everytime he says "you know"
Yes he should really take public speaking classes considering how much he does it
If I had a dollar for every time he said "you know", I'd be as rich as Peter Thiel.
Thiel has put his finger on it here. When will the craziness end? When the Fed's money printing machine breaks and can no longer go brrrr. It's that simple but when that happens the entire world will change beyond recognition.
this synthesis of big government and big corporates has a name: fascism
scary shit, scary shit scary shit
I'm not even joking.
Outsourced fascism
You are completely correct: that is definitionally fascism.
Is it not ironic that Antifa are attacking people in the streets for protesting against it? Lol. They are defending the fascist establishment.
@@mrfabulous4640 hey, a random q: what's the vibe around you? (in the US right?) I'm roaming the Interwebz.
I think there is such thing as too much nationalism and also not enough nationalism. Nazi germany seems like a pretty obvious example of too much nationalism... modern U.S. seems like not enough. Everyone is too focused on self interest to put the interests of the nation first
WHY DO SO MANY STILL BUY INTO THE NARRATIVE? ( Dan Astin-Gregory )
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Ticker Tape Parade in honor of Satoshi Nakamoto! We could use shredded up toilet paper or better yet… USD!
Afganistan was a.... shattled country?.... I am not a native speaker, can you give me a spelling here, pls?..
shit hole country*
God's Own you are. Afghanistan is 1 of the TRIBES OF JUDAH OF YESHUA JESUS CHRIST. GOD'S FEET TRUE UPHOLDERS OF GOD'S WILL. WILL BE RECOGNIZED. LIKE A CHILD DELIGHT IN THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD GIVEN. 1ST. LOVE GOD 2ND. LOVE THY NEIGHBORS AS THYSELF TRULY WITHOUT CEASING BUT DELIGHT AND THANKFULNESS. HOSTS of YESHUA Jesus christ. Kings and priests who are worth truly worth respecting, honoring, loving, and giving my life for a friend kind of love. The TREE IS KNOWN BY IT'S FRUITS. YOUR FEET IS YESHUA JESUS'S FEET GOD'S OWN AFGANISTAN. THE CHILD WILL SAY. THE WORLD IS GOD'S FOOTSTOOL BELOVED. YESHUA JESUS'S FEET UPON ALL DRY GROUNDS NOR THE WORLD. LOVE YA! KEEP THY CROWN AND I WILL DO THE SAME AND TO ALL MY BEAUTIFUL SISTERS. STAY BEAUTIFUL AND WIPING TEARS FROM THY EYES GOD'S WILL BE DONE. GOD THE MINDS OF OUR INNOCENTS YOUNGS SONS AND DAUGHTERS UPON ALL THE TRIBES OF JUDAH. SACRED INDEED. YESHUA JESUS CHRIST YOUR BLAMELESS LIFE SACRIFICE WILL NOT BE IN VAIN BUT TO FULFILL ACCORDING TO GOD'S WILL UPON ALL THE TRIBES OF JUDAH.
So who’s gonna lead the first annual Roman tribute to Satoshi?
Very easy to look back at 2020 and just call that behavior as “derangement.” Social turmoil always leads to actions like what we saw.
Social turmoil and derangement are generally the same.
When Peter talks, I listen
how did Trump work out for you. did you get a wall?
@@davidanalyst671 yes, as much as we could! Now Texas is finishing it!
@@markdin2988 Bullshit. Or maybe I should say Bushshit, since about 15MIL illegals came here under Bush. Texas is America's hemorrhoid.
So intelligent 💡
I love how Peter quickly shows just how full of crap our leaders really are. Anyone who's ever been to a polite family dinner knows exactly how boring a place with no individualism or freedom of thought can be.
I believe anonosaurus is mistaken.
Of course theres national interests but theres also an international commons filled with different voices one should not dominate the other. But in one sense hes right ideologies whether internationalist or nationalist tend to do just that and one size will not fit all.
This is what a genius sounds like.
Thiel is not a genius by any standard.
Run the audio through a compressor fellas
Being a libertarian or a proponent of free-enterprise does not make you conservative.
That depends if you’re a left wing libertarian or a right wing libertarian.
Libertarianism can really only be tied to nationalism in the US (since it was founded on the ideal of liberty).
In most of the rest of the world, nationalism is pretty much always very anti-liberty.
@@misterchoc123 you don’t know what you’re talking about. The whole premise of libertarianism is founded on private property rights, and nationalism is all about protecting your borders from outsiders which is in essence putting property rights into action on a national level.
@@skillfuldabest in theory maybe. But european nationalism is as collective as it gets. Hitler, mussolini and franco all got elected/came to power on the bandwagon of nationalism.
@@misterchoc123 libertarianism and nationalism are not mutually exclusive.
My big critique of thiel and others of his ilk, is their cowardice in expressing these views against covid totalitarianism, speaking out when it is politcally/financially safe and the damage is largely done. There is no way someone in his position and intellect didn't see the plays being done in real time against nationalist and populist interest. The guy was principal investor of FB and still sits on the board yet goes to lectures to critique the monster he has helped create, or at the very least is better positioned than literally anyone to do something against it. Astroturfed nationalism.
Good comment. PT is probably hedged very well on either side of totalitarianism with BTC and PLTR. But I see the justice with COVID. Only the weak, stupid and easily bought people are getting sterilised.
@@julianjdogg I have no doubt he has covered his position , financially, during all this. Smart guy despite the moral cowardice.
What incredible arrogance. What would you have him do?
@@brianboru6685 your mother 😘
@@stevenoverlord he's done that, but it didn't solve anything
Sound is so low
" The hour is too late for these institutions "
please, please, PLEASE fix or boost audio levels BEFORE posting these videos... I have to turn every knob to 11 just to hear this video, then it ends & the following ads/content (with proper audio levels) BLOW OUT the speakers and scare the dogs... if you can't produce videos/audio properly, then don't bother - this is 2021, not 1978... FFS
Thank you Peter.
I notice I’ve got comments disappearing 😃
But what is PALANTIR doing during the PLANDEMIC?
Collecting all our data
Making big time bank, actually. Thaaat's Petie! D.A., J.D., NYC
As someone who listened to him before the plandemic, I now feel that he is a great deceiver.
Will he address the issue?!
remember the name , Satoshi Nakamoto
The hour is late, he understands it, and he's afraid for our country and it's people.
A Nationalist conference and yet it lacks the most dynamic Nationalist of this age. Interesting...
who?
@@Sanyu-Tumusiime Nick Fuentes
@@bobjones1638 that guy is average to trash. we need donald trump
@@Sanyu-Tumusiime Trump recently said that it was a good thing that a foreign country owned Congress. Sounds like globalism and not nationalism to me.
@@bobjones1638 nope, Trump is an authoritarian and that was why he was praising it
i’d amend thiels statement, 99% agreement means you’re in north korea, but 51% agreement means you’re living under the tyranny of the mob. 51% agreement means there is still strong disagreement and consensus hasn’t been found. the true wisdom of crowds is more like a 70/30 split or something around there. the individual often shines because humans in crowds usually end up at 51 or 99% agreement 70/30 or 65/35 is very rare
Medicare for all has 70% approval in the US
Medicare for all has 70% approval in the US
@@TwoForFlinchin1 yes most people support healthcare for all, now if u said healthcare for all but with a 70% tax rate to pay for it then you’d probably see a much different approval rate. how u frame the question matters
@@trajandeathimus2165 it would be cheaper to do medicare for all than our current system
If Peter Thiel says, I agree with him.
If Peter Thiel speaks, I am attentive.
If Peter Thiel fails, I forgive him.
If Peter Thiel has 100 fans, I am one of them.
If Peter Thiel has 1 fan, I am that fan.
If Peter Thiel has no fans, it is because I am no longer in this world.
If Peter Thiel says, "I want a coffee", I get him a coffee
If Peter Thiel says, "That will be---", I say, "shhh Peter, I know how you like your coffee", and I wink at him
Unfortunately Jobs if alive would probably be a major progressive leader like a Cook but only more assertive
Are gay men like Thiel teally conservative or just not communist?
Satoshi Nakamoto deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. True genius and selfless humanity all wrapped into one.
Lmao
I would like to hear Peter's specific areas of skepticism regarding climate "science" (his quotations, not mine). Does he not accept the evidence?
I do not believe he thinks it’s real. By proxy of his other arguments he would likely believe it is collective dogma and delusion
@@Tg-kh8po It's not a dogma though, as it is based on scientific evidence. If anything, the dogma is that the Earth can have unlimited economic growth fueled by finite resources. It would be a shame if climate science was confused with value systems.
@@fergusmurphy8310 I don’t disagree that it’s not dogma. I’m just saying there is a 0% he accepts the evidence. That’s the larger theme with Thiel, he considers people being mocked over arguing things that were decided long ago and empirically proven several times is silencing or something like that
@@fergusmurphy8310 there’s a reason why Musk calls him a complete psychopath
What do you make of the evidence?
The canaries in the coal mine have all fallen off their perch. We're next.
Fitting with the wizard of oz metaphor to the FED, the wizard of oz has become recognized as a metaphor for the gold standard.
You mean the wizard of oz is a metaphor for fiat currency, specifically USD.
That's deep @5:53 🤣😆😝
A more honest title would be 'Bitcoin breaks the dogma machine'
Is it just me or does Peter seem terrified to be talking about these topics?
I think it’s just his dialect. But maybe you’re right.
It was deranged mob because of this “ mass formation “ features , which is very intolerant of non compliance. See this and “ narrow focus “ feature discussed. Here. >>>>. WHY DO SO MANY STILL BUY INTO THE NARRATIVE?
Nailed it, climate science is not science by definition of science 😂😂😂😂. Anyone who believes in science doesn’t know what science is.
Sadly, too many current scientists worship established science. They no longer relish the scientific method or respect any questions which challenge their -ahem- dogma (sorry, I could not resist) . :-)
The reason some people get dismissed really quickly when talking about economics is because they are espousing something that was empirically disproven a long time ago and several times over. So they are just saying something so incredibly stupid it deserves no attention and to be mocked
All of economics is disproven? Are you a marxist, per chance?
@@Stumashedpotatoes Free market, free trade, deregulation, small government. Republicans never adhered to these principals dogmatically and rigidly before 1980s. Since 1980s, Reagan revolution, manufacturing declined and over-financialization of US economy has brought America to brink of collapse. Ronald Reagan's economic policies may be right for his time but since he introduced them, Republicans have clung to them ultra-rigidly. Democrats followed too by a new generation of New Democrats. Result? Near destruction of American social and economic life while rise of an aggressive China hell-bent on global domination. At least, now abandon those disproven economic libertarian policies which Reagan pioneered and all Republicans and most Democrats then followed. If conservatives still don't abandon blind-eye worship of free market/trade and recognize that an healthy state intervention was always part of American System before Reagan, not outlier, only then we will avoid on 1 October 2049 a Chinese economy four times of America's and a Chinese military which vastly outspends US military, like US has always done, and a world in which China is permanent global hyperpower and US, although strong, is vastly less powerful than China. If United States has to balance Chinese economic juggernaut, it must out-innvoate China. China's population of 1.4 billion is an imposible barrier for America to match economically with its 330 million population. Only when US revolutionizes aerospace, AI, quantum computing, genetics, IoT, robotics and semiconductors and then completely dominates them and produces them in US (not like invent in US, manufacture in China), America will have a shot at stopping Chinese economic dominance. And that requires a national commitment like Apollo program of Kennedy or Reagan's SDI and robust funding like 1 trillion dollars over 10 years. Now conservatives can't imagine 1 trillion dollars spent on "market intervention by government". They can't even imagine even 1 billion dollars while they invest 800 billion dollars per yeaf on a Cold War styled military. They regard any public investment as "waste/overreach". America won 20st century economically and militarily only because it held world's top technological superpower status, which in turn was fueled by massive R&D spending by federal government after WW2 inventing everything from chip to MRI to supercomputer to moon landing to solar cell to vaccines to internet to telecommunications to genome sequencing to fighter jets to televisions to you name it. That was common good capitalism as some conservatives now urge to return to. Sticking to narrow mentality of "market is GOD" has left America behind China already in so many fields and if left unchecked, America will become a Chinese economic colony like it already is, but in basic manufacturerd goods, but in future, in high-tech goods as well. 5G and Huewai are great examples. I am a moderate Democrat and I am not crazy left. I want best for America, as my fellow Democrats want. We don't want to end American way of life, as conservatives depict of Democrats. Yes there are bad elements in our party but they are manageable. But look at your party. It has become a cult around Trump. Cmon wake up, before America is an inferior power to China. If Republicans abandon dogma of free market/trade and adopt healthy industrial policy, moderate Democrats like me will happily join you. It's up to you.
Thiel's out of his freakin' tree!
how so?
The Nat-Cs are coming to get ya, 🤦🏽
This doesn't pertain to this video, but the far left and far right are wasting our time.
We need to stop giving so much attention to these fringe groups.
Thank you Thiel for so accurately and concisely summarizing such a chaotic and difficult time. Your words bring clarity and comfort while also providing a challenge to us all.
The fed chairman is endlessly wise. .. and well dressed 🧐😏
Ironic coming from a guy with 3 passports and 3 citizenships ? Which nationality is he talking about ?
Nothing wrong with that. He’s got a target on his back. He needs options.
@@jwetzel3141 national security complication about divided loyalties when holding government contracts.
@@terencewinters2154 I do see your point. I’m just saying pretty much every billionaire holds multiple passports. It’s just smart contingency planning.
@@terencewinters2154 lol yes divided loyalty with freakin New Zealand. He got citizenship and a house there because he thinks its the safest place in the world in case of a natural disaster, I don't think he's secretly a Kiwi nationalist secretly advancing the Maori agenda inside the US.
@@LB-gk2nk try Germany his place of origin .
we need to get to the moon fast or were all dead.
so basically hes saying war on terror was a joke, bush and GOP and neo cons were a joke? hear ya bro!
Great talk and this just makes me wish that conservatives listened to Ron Paul instead of Mitt Romney.
both are horribly cringe. you're watching the wrong conference if you identify as a libertarian
@@overman2306 been there done that. grew out of my lolbert phase when I actually got a real job and left my sheltered existence.
@@overman2306 dude I used to watch all of his lectures probably before you even heard of him, he had some interesting takes especially on monarchies, but at the end of the day it's all a bunch of dumb political theory that's fit for people who live in theoretical worlds or dumb forums like 4chan. Individualism and Libertarianism is cancer no matter what theory you use to try to rationalize it. Maximizing individual liberty should not be the end goal of a society.
@@overman2306 Lmfao @ calling Dubai libertarian. Only one of the largest state planned societies in the world. Rudimentary understanding of economies there. When you have to call random societies libertarian because there has never been a real one. Massive cope. And never said liberty doesn't matter, so nice strawman.
I'm not about to debate you on here because I know how stubborn I was when I was a lolbert, very wrapped up in theory and thinking I was some cutting edge thinker. Only thing that will actually change your mind is real life experience so there's no point in wasting any more time here, just get back to me when you leave your parents house/gated community.
Pretty funny listening to a guy on the value of nationalism who has dual citizenship and property owned in New Zealand. You know, because he's such a nationalist.
His husband is a New Zealander...
Usa is plan A
Speaks out against medical tyranny / centralization, principle investor board chairman of the company responsible for most of it. Controlled opposition/ gatekeeping at its finest
@@123asdzxc7 ohhhh i get it now
@@stevenoverlord Facebook? Social media companies ride the waves, they don't make them. A board chairman is also not a dictator lmfao
Because nationalism is not a dogma. You know how I know he is right? Because he is rich.
A billionaire trying to argue that any Ministry of truth in our society isnt run by or for the rich is delusional.
There’s different factions of rich people. The fed can print trillions.
@@whalingwithishmael7751 the fed is faction that opposes the billionaire class? They do shit job considering the bailouts every decade
You're delusional. Same evidence...
@@brianboru6685 i didn't think it needed to be defended that rich people lobby the government using their vast amounts of expendable income.
The government does bad stuff so that a privileged class can make money is basically all of history
Rich people have power, sure, but if they were running our Ministry of Truth, why would there be so many mainstream messages attacking them? Rich people don't agree any more than poor people agree, and focusing on class warfare isn't going to help anything.
Agreed this is the time more than ever before American ppl need to ask themselves the faith, the value, the culture that they used to have that has made this country the greatest! And yet think about what took away the advantage and strength they owe?
10k views is disgrace for these nuanced intellectual insights
Thiel's "insights" are rhetoric carefully planned to deflect from his own hypocrisy in playing as major a part in the systemic economic dysfunctions leveraged upon the average American as any billionaire ancap ghoul.
I'm an industry insider and let's say, it's brave from Thiel to go on camera and call-out the government and the banking cartel nominating Satoshi at the end. It explains the nervousness of a billionaire and stress levels during the speech.
grow a pair
A characteristic of collectivism is this endlessly shifting quality... the fundamental logical disconnect is actually causal if you think about it.
By which I mean, that, the collective is itself endlessly theoretical and nebulous and a false argument against the rights of individuals. It’s bullshit which endlessly creates itself, as it’s own argument with itself , nebulous unresolved failure if logic.
What you just said is as illogical and circular as what you are trying to espose as a characteristic of collectivism. Perhaps you can describe liberal identitarianism as such but that was a pretty ridiculous hot take. Literally look at human history and every societal achievement was a result of some form of collectivism. Those brain dead libertarian takes are the reason right wingers/ nationalist are losing this country, and badly. You can have collectivism for your interest dude don't believe the gatekeepers.
Bravery. True hero
Peter Thiel is Satoshi Nakamoto!
seriously he is the smartest man alive period.
Totally agree that Peter is a very intelligent man. Watch some interviews with impact investor Jeff Ubben-he's five steps ahead on the chess board
Your low standards betray your own lack of intellectual ambition if you think this goon is serving any interest but his own.
Brilliant discussion and my god does he gives spot examples!
Maye the force. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win" - Mahatma Gandhi
I forgot how bad of a speaker he is...
Hey Pete, gold and silver have intrinsic value. Crypto not so much, or actually, none at all.
Big big hearty respect, Peter. And thank You.
He wouldn't be caught dead with you, fool.
National Conservatism is feeling like Libertarianism 3.0
cringe take
@@lavs8696 ישראל
Peter looks very tired in this clip, but I'm still glad to hear him speak. As always, a lot of sense making and individual thought
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Peter Thiel is the truth. So glad we have someone so smart, charismatic and willing to think deeply and make unique, productive arguments for how to build a better future from this gentlemen.
the dogma machine = matrix
OMG Where did this guy go to school? “Um, and, a….” Ugh.
Wtf is he on speed 😆
Bravo, Peter!
Peter theil is great 🥰
Peter’s a man that can restore logic to a mad world.
Seems like he’s a rambling, babbling, pretentious loon to me. Also it’s incredible that at one point he’s talking about truth in the Covid debate when he’s actively backing mid-term candidates who claim trump won in 2020.
Info and opinions conflicting with your currently held beliefs? I can see that irks you. I see you used the word Pretentious there also.
dark times are coming.
Thank God, there is someone else who thinks!!
All Hail God-Emperor Thiel! King of the Orcs, Witch-King of Auckland, Fluffer of The Fat Goblin King Dingus Con, and Saviour of all the fascist peoples.
🤢🤭🤢🤭 5:55 wow good point 🤢🤭🤢🤭🤮 7:33 also good point, no actually tho
another awake person
As an individual from an extremely nationalist country, Turkey, this guy has no idea what he is talking about....nationalism is the bane of progress.
The title and idea is sketchy. Everyone should know that indivudualism "breaks the dogma machine."
In many respects, we've had enough "progress"
That's why this is a conservative conference...
@@brianboru6685 progress of humanity, not "progressives" you are thinking of
@@dogukan127 I can appreciate your point, but I don't believe that nationalism is Turkey's primary issue, nor would it be ours. The comparison is also a bit out of line imo, and you cannot extrapolate similar domestic policy just based on nationalism.
@@brianboru6685 Nationalism and populism goes hand in hand and it is a major source for blame-game, for a certain elite using it to leverage their power at the cost of certain "minorities" and a good amount of blaming people for not being "patriotic enough" which ends up with declaring half of the country as traitors....which leads to politicians, media and civil society to be jailed. Meanwhile, brains of the country leave. Leads to repression of personal freedoms.
Man, I've been dealing with extreme nationalists my whole life in this country. Even if you are slightly critical of the country, you are declared a traitor. Critical perspective and honest debate dies in a country like this, everyone becomes ass lickers who spew standard nationalist bs to rise up in the society.
But yeah, go ahead down this path.
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A Mickey Mouse event with a Daffy Duck speaker... Gotta love what must be massive cognitive dissonance when he comes down on the Afghanistan War in front of an audience that most likely supported the Twin Invasions (Iraq and Afgan) by a margin of 95/5. I get it with the crypto fanboys, but can someone please tell me the reason d'etre for National Conservatism? Is it supposed to be a vote-getter or some kind of intellectual underpinning? The former is problematical and the latter too ludicrous for words..
The afghan and Iraq war were neo-lib neo-con wars aka libtard wars
@@TheTalisManDate The propaganda to sell the war is never what the war is about. Neo-tards were sold a war for feminism, abortion, and NaTiOnAl SeCurItY, which they lapped up like the tards they are. The war was over resources though, like all wars. Wars are fought over nothing else.
"The former is problematical" I can tell you are an intellectual titan.
You know nothing about the ancient, deep history of war. What “resources” are in Vietnam? Idiot.