I sold my Hs80m after being very pleased with them many years and bought 8030c. I was very disappointed for two years. I just couldn’t hear the details in midrange like I did on Hs80m. I can totally understand what you mean! I thought it was an expensive mistake. But... After two years I bought 7040 sub and everything changed. Because of hi-pass filter on sub, 8030c now don’t have to deal with low freq any more and they really shine in mids and highs. I can hear everything much better than before on Hs80m. I don’t regret selling my Hs any more. They were great monitors but now for me, they can’t compare with 8030c/7040. Great sound, perfect balance...!
I had Genelec 8040A for 15 years before having problems with them. So they are proven to be durable. I have ONE HS8 I use for guitar and now I don't know which new speakers to get.To just buy another HS8 or to wait and get Gennies again ! Accurate review, thanks.
A year ago I switched from Krk rokit 8 to Genelec 8040 apm. First I thought well, lets have 4 speakers in the studio.. But a radical decision was taken almost immediately after calibrating the Genelecs with SAM. My KRKs went on sale the next day.
I believe it is 100%. They give the same kind of information just in very different ways,genelec sounding much more natural. No reason to have the two ! Good choice
I had a Yamaha HS 7 but subjectively I didn’t like how it sounds. Now I’m in the funny (but slightly stressing) process to find my next monitors, a lot of money invested in trials, returning 14 days period (which is the legal condition in my country) allowed me to compare a bunch of speakers. Finally the two last contenders are Neumann KH 120 ii (which is deadly flat, perhaps too much) and Genelec 8030c I noticed what you say, Genelec is on the warm side despite of its flat frequency response curve on anechoic conditions. I believe that it will sound way more neutral with some room treatment, the bass port has massive resonances. I believe also the Neumann kh 120 with DSP will sound more natural with a SPDIF connection, because with analogue XLR input it make unnecessary analgue-> digital-> analogue reconversion. Waiting for a Wiim Pro streamer to verify that. Any suggestions for a 5 inch speaker pair? For pleasure listening and use at digital piano monitors (Kawai ES 920, onboard speakers are just minimalistic)
I feel that,thank you. I do feel I have some acoustic treatment. I have 4 Inch thick panels on the walls around the speakers,acoustic cloud and 2inch thick behind the speakers
@josercomposedit5558 Awesome!! Great job! I couldn't tell from the video, which means the panels are doing their job without bringing attention to themselves. I, too, have a pair of the Genelec 8030's and I truly appreciate what they do. However, I just paired them with Hedd Type 7's and for the first time, I truly feel I don't need a second speaker reference. I always thought I would do better with two sets of speakers, but the Hedds provide me with a level of performance that i no longer use the Gens. I do employ my headsets for a second perspective, but the Gen's are going up for sale. The AMT tweeter really is wonderful to hear, regardless if their used in the Adam's, Eve's, or the Hedds. Anyway, enough waffling. Keep banging those tunes out and keep posting. New subscription!
...very interesting, I have hs7 too, i like them a lot, did you try sonarworks software to try correction on hs7's? will that make any difference on hs7? I wanna buy sonarworks but not sure yet...regards...
Thank you for this great video! Really helpfull, i’m looking for a pair of kali in5. Do you think the genelecs are a better choice for a monitor studio that sound good and flat? Thank you!
I’m gonna be honest the Kali audio IN5 is a great set of monitors ! I had a pair,I think I didn’t understand them and rehomed them,but I regret it! They’re nice and flat,very mid focused. The audio engineer Jeff Ellis who did stuff for Frank Ocean,Joji,and Doja Cats new song Attention loves his IN5’s and IN8’s. Also look out for the new set of speakers they just put out I think or about to!
i agree somewhat on this. I do think the genelecs better option if you got the money though. I have tested both hs7 and genelec 8020, not 8030. And i think the hs7 is very good for a refference monitor for mixing vocals and mix mids to high mids with it. I do think the genelecs better built and got better instrument seperation and more detail and a flatter warmer sound. It got the most things and it dosnt tire your ears out like the hs7 do. Both need a sub though.
I definitely agree, Yamaha's are great for reference. I think a large pair of genelics would beat out the Yamahas but if I had to choose I'd still do Yamaha over them tho! I'm biased tho!
We definitely have a lot in common.. Once my ears were trained to the Yamaha's which were my first set of monitors I've been hooked every since. What's crazy is that I'm actually about to purchase the Genelec 1080's and the sub to go with it. My question to you is if I combine both the Yamaha hs7 along with the Genelec 1080's speakers which sub would be best to use? the Genelec sub or the Yamaha sub? Thanks for sharing this information. It's not too many videos on the Genelec speakers
I’m on the look out for a sub as well,drawn to the Yamaha just because. I think when it comes to the sub frequencies you won’t hear as much of the sound “signature” of the brand as you would the other frequencies. I know a lot of people use the KRK sub for a large variety of speakers. So if you’re wanting to do the Genelecs and the sub with them and use it for the Yamahas I think it’ll work good
How do these compare to the 8010AWM? I’m tryna upgrade from a shitty pair of jbl 104s lol but idk what to get 😭 I want something long lasting and white. I like the design of these a lot but I also wanna make sure I have really good sound quality because I review mixes for my music a lot & am starting to learn production
@@ashavari I’m sure they have a similar signature but you’re going to get very little low end on the 8010’s. I would have those as a reference,but for your main speakers I would actually not recommend something that small. If you want white speakers and for that price ,I would say JBL 308’s or Kali Audio IN5’s,or Yamaha HS7’s
For someone who is not a producer/audio engineer, but wants the best desktop (near field) monitors or speakers just to listen to music what would you recommend? I was thinking of getting the genelec 8030c, but not sure. The vanatoo transparent zero's get very good reviews too and are way cheaper.
Off the top of my head,Edifier makes great stuff . The JBL studio monitors are also underrated. I have the JBL 308s and they’re my commercially listening speakers in my room for my tv. If I’m being honest I wouldn’t look to spend over $1,000 on any set if you’re not working on music production,something for just a couple hundred bucks I think would make you very happy. KEF and Edifier off the top of my head,JBL for honorable mention
if you aint a musician, then no is not for you, just get hs5 or hs7. Genelec are expensive even these 8030c which are not their premium model, are like $1400
The acoustics of my room are treated. I have an acoustic cloud hanging over my head, 4inch thick 24x48 panels on the sides of me and 2 inch thick 24x48 panels behind my speakers
I HAVE a special question for you, wich is the speaker, where you mix and when you go to the second pair you say, WOW this sounds good, i wanna know what that first pair is, is it Yamaha or Genelec? Where you go from A to B and become supriced of the mix.
That’s a great question but honestly there isn’t one ! Lol I sometimes start with either ! Probably start with Yamaha,and I need to like how it sounds on Genelec because it sounds more commercial.BUT I also have to enjoy the way it sounds on Yamaha. Really love having both
@@Joeyelkey Thing is i have genelec 8040 but considering buying Yamaha HS7 to, and you already say in the video its a good combo, so i might buy it, sometimes my Genelec don`t show me highs in the way i like, from 1500-10khz, i end up to mix tracks with more Mids than they should have, so if i have a speaker that already show more mids then i would make more balanced mix from the start.
@@maxlarsen Bro I’m gonna be straight up. Pull that trigger. You will not regret it. They show stereo space in different ways and they show mids in different ways. It will take a second to adjust but it will pay off ten fold. Also it’s hard for me to imagine doing vocal production on anything other than Yamahas.
@@Joeyelkey Funny you say vocals, cuz iv had some problems with vocals on the gens, so ye i might go for them after all, its a good prize 200$ compared to genelecs 1600$ haha but iv learned with time that money is not always the answer, especially not with speakers.
It’s a good question but I believe the answer is no. The kick is something you would hear more clear on the 8030 but I wouldn’t necessarily say the low low end. You’re still gonna have nice sub frequencies on the Yamahas,if you’re used to the hs7 I would say moving up to the hs8 would be more important than replacing them completely,with the 8030C’s
you should get a sub. If you like the hs7 then keep them. Then genelecs are better for the most things, thats why its very expensive. But hs7 works good, you should invest in the hs8s sub though, it will make it way better
I like your review. The Genelecs do sound more low-mid range focused. They have a depth to them that is really nice, but might not be right for the type of music I produce (mainly acoustic guitars). I was also considering the Neumann KH120. They sound almost identical to the Genelec 8030Cs. I think I'm going to the HS7s coming from KRK Rokit 6s that are close to 15 years old!
@@Joeyelkey I suppose that's why I'm making the change! :) Also to gain experience mixing with the modern NS-10s I suppose. I've kinda always wanted to one those too, but don't want or have space for a preamplifier.
Do Genelecs produce audible noise or hiss at 2 or 3ft distance when powered on and without signal? I bought Presonus E5 and they were really bad in that regard. I could hear tweeter hissing from 3ft away in a quiet room. So I returned them after 5 days. Genelec web says it is less than 5dB A weighted at 1m distance, but I cannot put that in perspective. Please help... thank you
@@Joeyelkey Thank you for the prompt answer. I’m looking to get 8020D for video production. Distance to speakers would be just about a meter, so I’m asking beforehand. Thnx.
@@tazzmoore5143 lol I appreciate that man. Their might be a few gems in there 🥴 I still listen to talk to me and this is normal sometimes. Appreciate the love
@@tazzmoore5143 I don’t personally make a lot of my own music man those were just things to practice mixing and mastering,those all over a year old now I think. I’m tryin to work with artists out here in Atlanta now
No offense but how can I take seriously a review and recommendation from someone who's audio in the YT vid is such crap despite having +1k$ monitors AND +1k$ audio interface, AND clearly having a condenser microphone behind him?
that interface is the apollo twin and is only $900 and is probably one of the most overrated interfaces for that price range, it misses lots of stuff and connectivity that comes included with cheaper interfaces like Motu mk5 for example which is only $650, is like the apple of the interface world lol RME produces the best interfaces that exist
I sold my Hs80m after being very pleased with them many years and bought 8030c. I was very disappointed for two years. I just couldn’t hear the details in midrange like I did on Hs80m. I can totally understand what you mean! I thought it was an expensive mistake. But... After two years I bought 7040 sub and everything changed. Because of hi-pass filter on sub, 8030c now don’t have to deal with low freq any more and they really shine in mids and highs. I can hear everything much better than before on Hs80m. I don’t regret selling my Hs any more. They were great monitors but now for me, they can’t compare with 8030c/7040. Great sound, perfect balance...!
I’m happy you ended up happy with your purchase !! Sometimes it takes time to see the quality and value in a product
because Genelec are for musicians, not for like people who like bass and rap lol Genelec is ideal for a instrumental musician for example
I had Genelec 8040A for 15 years before having problems with them.
So they are proven to be durable.
I have ONE HS8 I use for guitar and now I don't know which new speakers to get.To just buy another HS8 or to wait and get Gennies again ! Accurate review, thanks.
Man if you know those 8040’s maybe stick with them! Grab the other HS8
A year ago I switched from Krk rokit 8 to Genelec 8040 apm. First I thought well, lets have 4 speakers in the studio.. But a radical decision was taken almost immediately after calibrating the Genelecs with SAM. My KRKs went on sale the next day.
I believe it is 100%. They give the same kind of information just in very different ways,genelec sounding much more natural. No reason to have the two ! Good choice
@@Joeyelkey Yeah, btw 8340 apm x)
Have the HS7s and they're great,but im adding the Genelec 8030 to my setup as well.
I believe you’ll be very happy
I had a Yamaha HS 7 but subjectively I didn’t like how it sounds.
Now I’m in the funny (but slightly stressing) process to find my next monitors, a lot of money invested in trials, returning 14 days period (which is the legal condition in my country) allowed me to compare a bunch of speakers.
Finally the two last contenders are Neumann KH 120 ii (which is deadly flat, perhaps too much) and Genelec 8030c
I noticed what you say, Genelec is on the warm side despite of its flat frequency response curve on anechoic conditions.
I believe that it will sound way more neutral with some room treatment, the bass port has massive resonances.
I believe also the Neumann kh 120 with DSP will sound more natural with a SPDIF connection, because with analogue XLR input it make unnecessary analgue-> digital-> analogue reconversion. Waiting for a Wiim Pro streamer to verify that.
Any suggestions for a 5 inch speaker pair? For pleasure listening and use at digital piano monitors (Kawai ES 920, onboard speakers are just minimalistic)
You should revisit this comparison after you treat your room. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts.
I feel that,thank you. I do feel I have some acoustic treatment. I have 4 Inch thick panels on the walls around the speakers,acoustic cloud and 2inch thick behind the speakers
@josercomposedit5558 Awesome!! Great job! I couldn't tell from the video, which means the panels are doing their job without bringing attention to themselves. I, too, have a pair of the Genelec 8030's and I truly appreciate what they do. However, I just paired them with Hedd Type 7's and for the first time, I truly feel I don't need a second speaker reference. I always thought I would do better with two sets of speakers, but the Hedds provide me with a level of performance that i no longer use the Gens. I do employ my headsets for a second perspective, but the Gen's are going up for sale. The AMT tweeter really is wonderful to hear, regardless if their used in the Adam's, Eve's, or the Hedds. Anyway, enough waffling. Keep banging those tunes out and keep posting. New subscription!
@@FergMartice I have heard very good things from Hedd!! I appreciate the comments bro and the subscription !
...very interesting, I have hs7 too, i like them a lot, did you try sonarworks software to try correction on hs7's? will that make any difference on hs7? I wanna buy sonarworks but not sure yet...regards...
I have not personally! My mixes translate pretty well so I’ve never felt the need to I would recommend anyone do it tho 🤷🏼♂️ I should
Great information! I have a question for you , what one interface are you using to run both pairs of speakers on ?
@@theambience6247 Apollo Twin X Duo !
Thank you for this great video! Really helpfull, i’m looking for a pair of kali in5. Do you think the genelecs are a better choice for a monitor studio that sound good and flat? Thank you!
I’m gonna be honest the Kali audio IN5 is a great set of monitors ! I had a pair,I think I didn’t understand them and rehomed them,but I regret it! They’re nice and flat,very mid focused. The audio engineer Jeff Ellis who did stuff for Frank Ocean,Joji,and Doja Cats new song Attention loves his IN5’s and IN8’s. Also look out for the new set of speakers they just put out I think or about to!
That’s a pretty good appraisal, thank you.
i agree somewhat on this. I do think the genelecs better option if you got the money though. I have tested both hs7 and genelec 8020, not 8030. And i think the hs7 is very good for a refference monitor for mixing vocals and mix mids to high mids with it. I do think the genelecs better built and got better instrument seperation and more detail and a flatter warmer sound. It got the most things and it dosnt tire your ears out like the hs7 do. Both need a sub though.
I definitely agree, Yamaha's are great for reference. I think a large pair of genelics would beat out the Yamahas but if I had to choose I'd still do Yamaha over them tho! I'm biased tho!
We definitely have a lot in common.. Once my ears were trained to the Yamaha's which were my first set of monitors I've been hooked every since. What's crazy is that I'm actually about to purchase the Genelec 1080's and the sub to go with it. My question to you is if I combine both the Yamaha hs7 along with the Genelec 1080's speakers which sub would be best to use? the Genelec sub or the Yamaha sub? Thanks for sharing this information. It's not too many videos on the Genelec speakers
I’m on the look out for a sub as well,drawn to the Yamaha just because. I think when it comes to the sub frequencies you won’t hear as much of the sound “signature” of the brand as you would the other frequencies. I know a lot of people use the KRK sub for a large variety of speakers. So if you’re wanting to do the Genelecs and the sub with them and use it for the Yamahas I think it’ll work good
How do these compare to the 8010AWM? I’m tryna upgrade from a shitty pair of jbl 104s lol but idk what to get 😭
I want something long lasting and white. I like the design of these a lot but I also wanna make sure I have really good sound quality because I review mixes for my music a lot & am starting to learn production
@@ashavari I’m sure they have a similar signature but you’re going to get very little low end on the 8010’s. I would have those as a reference,but for your main speakers I would actually not recommend something that small. If you want white speakers and for that price ,I would say JBL 308’s or Kali Audio IN5’s,or Yamaha HS7’s
For someone who is not a producer/audio engineer, but wants the best desktop (near field) monitors or speakers just to listen to music what would you recommend? I was thinking of getting the genelec 8030c, but not sure. The vanatoo transparent zero's get very good reviews too and are way cheaper.
Off the top of my head,Edifier makes great stuff . The JBL studio monitors are also underrated. I have the JBL 308s and they’re my commercially listening speakers in my room for my tv. If I’m being honest I wouldn’t look to spend over $1,000 on any set if you’re not working on music production,something for just a couple hundred bucks I think would make you very happy. KEF and Edifier off the top of my head,JBL for honorable mention
if you aint a musician, then no is not for you, just get hs5 or hs7. Genelec are expensive even these 8030c which are not their premium model, are like $1400
Good stuff Joey, thanks!
I appreciate you thank you !! Happy to help
just bought the yamaha hs80m online, is there a big differnece between those and the new hs series ?
No not a big difference
it seems that the acoustic of your room is not treated...so what's the point to have good monitors ?
The acoustics of my room are treated. I have an acoustic cloud hanging over my head, 4inch thick 24x48 panels on the sides of me and 2 inch thick 24x48 panels behind my speakers
I HAVE a special question for you, wich is the speaker, where you mix and when you go to the second pair you say, WOW this sounds good, i wanna know what that first pair is, is it Yamaha or Genelec? Where you go from A to B and become supriced of the mix.
That’s a great question but honestly there isn’t one ! Lol I sometimes start with either ! Probably start with Yamaha,and I need to like how it sounds on Genelec because it sounds more commercial.BUT I also have to enjoy the way it sounds on Yamaha. Really love having both
@@Joeyelkey Thing is i have genelec 8040 but considering buying Yamaha HS7 to, and you already say in the video its a good combo, so i might buy it, sometimes my Genelec don`t show me highs in the way i like, from 1500-10khz, i end up to mix tracks with more Mids than they should have, so if i have a speaker that already show more mids then i would make more balanced mix from the start.
I can get Yamaha HS7 for 200$@@Joeyelkey
@@maxlarsen Bro I’m gonna be straight up. Pull that trigger. You will not regret it. They show stereo space in different ways and they show mids in different ways. It will take a second to adjust but it will pay off ten fold. Also it’s hard for me to imagine doing vocal production on anything other than Yamahas.
@@Joeyelkey Funny you say vocals, cuz iv had some problems with vocals on the gens, so ye i might go for them after all, its a good prize 200$ compared to genelecs 1600$ haha but iv learned with time that money is not always the answer, especially not with speakers.
hello i produce tech house , i love mixing the kick , and have a nice bass ... i have the yamaha hs 7 ... do i have to switch to the genelecs ?
It’s a good question but I believe the answer is no. The kick is something you would hear more clear on the 8030 but I wouldn’t necessarily say the low low end. You’re still gonna have nice sub frequencies on the Yamahas,if you’re used to the hs7 I would say moving up to the hs8 would be more important than replacing them completely,with the 8030C’s
@@Joeyelkey I was undecided even with krk classic 8 ... what do you think?
you should get a sub. If you like the hs7 then keep them. Then genelecs are better for the most things, thats why its very expensive. But hs7 works good, you should invest in the hs8s sub though, it will make it way better
not even close this is like comparing a camry with a mercedes
I like your review. The Genelecs do sound more low-mid range focused. They have a depth to them that is really nice, but might not be right for the type of music I produce (mainly acoustic guitars). I was also considering the Neumann KH120. They sound almost identical to the Genelec 8030Cs. I think I'm going to the HS7s coming from KRK Rokit 6s that are close to 15 years old!
If you love your krk’s you’re gonna be in for a shock! Lol
@@Joeyelkey Why?? I'm tired of my KRKs. lol.
@@RuelMorales if you’re tired of them go for it! It’ll just be a very different sound signature
@@Joeyelkey I suppose that's why I'm making the change! :) Also to gain experience mixing with the modern NS-10s I suppose. I've kinda always wanted to one those too, but don't want or have space for a preamplifier.
@@RuelMorales Yes,I too have grown curious to what the ns10 sounds like. From my understanding’s theirs less bass
Do Genelecs produce audible noise or hiss at 2 or 3ft distance when powered on and without signal? I bought Presonus E5 and they were really bad in that regard. I could hear tweeter hissing from 3ft away in a quiet room. So I returned them after 5 days.
Genelec web says it is less than 5dB A weighted at 1m distance, but I cannot put that in perspective. Please help... thank you
Nah man I don’t hear any hiss on my genelec 8030C’s. Definitely don’t think it’s something you would need to worry about
@@Joeyelkey Thank you for the prompt answer. I’m looking to get 8020D for video production. Distance to speakers would be just about a meter, so I’m asking beforehand. Thnx.
do they still use genelecs?
Who’s they my man?
@@Joeyelkey ???
@@DJScatox you said do "they" ,wasn't sure who you were referring to
wtf@@DJScatox
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@@tazzmoore5143 lol I appreciate that man. Their might be a few gems in there 🥴 I still listen to talk to me and this is normal sometimes. Appreciate the love
@josercomposedit5558 fasho where your new shit ? Your quality got better since then?
@@tazzmoore5143 I don’t personally make a lot of my own music man those were just things to practice mixing and mastering,those all over a year old now I think. I’m tryin to work with artists out here in Atlanta now
No offense but how can I take seriously a review and recommendation from someone who's audio in the YT vid is such crap despite having +1k$ monitors AND +1k$ audio interface, AND clearly having a condenser microphone behind him?
😂 I think my beats in the background sound fine. You’re hearing me through the camera,I didn’t use the mic to record myself. Thanks for the comment
@@Joeyelkey deaf
that interface is the apollo twin and is only $900 and is probably one of the most overrated interfaces for that price range, it misses lots of stuff and connectivity that comes included with cheaper interfaces like Motu mk5 for example which is only $650, is like the apple of the interface world lol RME produces the best interfaces that exist