The Cthaeh and Kvothe's Tragedy | Kingkiller Chronicle Lore
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In this video I'll be going over what we know about the Cthaeh from the Kingkiller Chronicle so far. I'll talk about the influence its words have had on Kvothe, and how this has effected him in the current day at the Waystone Inn. Next week I'll be posting a video all about theories on the Cthaeh's identity!
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Update: I made a post on the community tab of the channel going into more detail, but because of a family emergency that has taken up all my time and energy, I haven't been able to post part two of this video yet. Once the stress dies down I will get back to making videos!
Let me know your thoughts on The Cthaeh and how its words have influenced Kvothe! Also if you have any theories as to the identity of the Cthaeh, feel free to let me know!
@Amail Someoneeveryone would be exceedingly entertaining if he did.
here it is, a point of interest. perhaps you can dig on this for us. abenthy teaches the young man about the heart of stone, however i dont remember any mention of this at the university, by other students, and also the teachers possess a lack of mentioning it as well. infact im not sure he mentions it to even wil and sim when he is using it during the crafting of his graham. Although i can remember him describing spinning leaf to someone, and it deserved mention as to how they responded, however, im not certain as of how exactly this came about. now, also to mention, he said he was so used to it being active, he forgot it was. and that it felt odd having released it. im thinking there is something more to this. am i wrong, is the heart of stone publicly known at the university. perhaps its stuck now at the inn, perhaps its why he cant use his powers. far stretch, and i know im reaching, but other than it affording him a long stretch of won duels, what else is it good for. (obvious bait, i have many uses for this in mind) since im in a sharing mood i may also adress this in this comment. there are three silences, and one of those are his. yet him and bast talk to each other three times when they want to be heard. brother, this is pure gold, dig it up. AND WHERE IS BOOK 3 OMG!!!! i know your not pat but seriously, im getting old. i was your age when i first read this.......... i think the ctheah has some learning to do, as this was a treatise of leading on a path.
Captured in Words i think that Cinder cut the Kathae to make the box to hide whatever is inside from Helliax, it says that he did him a bad turn once and that's really the only thing we know that happened between them
@Amail Someoneeveryone I remember something later when there is mention that his father crawled to his mother, was this mention from the cthea, perhaps not but if so that makes it slightly true. However I was considering the troop to be Chan Dr Ian, for a time. Trip has a knack, he throws sevens. Sevens, mind you. Demon signs. Perhaps they took kvothe from his real parents and tried to set him free. But no, the narrator kote confirms their death. Although it is curious why the seven let the boy live. Leads me back to think about the song if seven sorrows, what if the seven really are the good guys, what if this one eyed selitos was just cracked, and over reacted, blaming lanre for the fall of the cities.
@Amail Someoneeveryone I'll add, something scared them off. Also the one of the seven in eld vintas looks up right before the lightning. tehlu save us all. Now as a point of interest, eldrich, or eld rice, means faerie kingdom. Or strange realm. Look at etymology of eldrich. Eld vintas is where he made his way into the fae. Also felurian confirms there is no human amir. Let me add that the adem are following the lethany which could translate to the better good. What does kvothe bring back from the sword tree. The bloody hand of amir. Adema rue, ademre.
I have a feeling Patrick talked to the Cthaeh 8 years ago and since then everyone who'd started the series are doomed to have the worst possible time of not finishing the series...
Agree! Hehehehehe!
I actually think theorising is a lot of fun to (apreciate the joke anyway, he is spectacularly slow😂)
@@teresa3882 I have to agree! On the one hand I hate that there's still no sign of the 3rd book, but on the other hand I love all the theories and guesses.
@@teresa3882 Theorizing was fun for the first 4 years or so...
3rd book drops August 2020
Cthaeh often speaks in 10 words phrases.
10 words to break the strongest man will.
Wow I never realized this!
@@CapturedInWords here you have link to reddit post www.reddit.com/r/KingkillerChronicle/comments/37q3ua/10_words_to_break_a_strong_mans_will/
@@gwyncoram1104 Awesome thanks for the link!
Huh
Wonder if this has a connection with 7 words that can make a woman love you
Encanis was trapped in an iron wheel where he can not lie. Cthaeh seems like he is trapped too, in a tree where he can not lie. Encanis tried to "bite" Tehlu. Felurian checked if Cthaeh have bitten Kvothe. Encanis is the worst demon and he is full of anger and evil. Cthaeh seems the same.
Too many people think that Encanis is Haliax because he bring the those signals and the shadow, but Haliax is not sealed as Encanis, he is free.
Yess great points! This is actually one of the big theories I'll talk about in next weeks video, as the Cthaeh being Encanis is probably the most logical theory in my opinion and it's the one that i believe. There's many theories that Cthaeh is Selitos which also has some good clues to back it up, but I like the Encanis theory most. It fits with the Garden of Eden reference as well, since Encanis is pretty much the devil. In next weeks video I'll also be talking more about the bite of the cthaeh and how Bast mentions it is 'contagious'.
@@CapturedInWords Selitos may be the Cthaeh, aswell. Every stories are part of the same story, telled by other point of view. Maybe the Cthaeh is just the Cthaeh and no more, or maybe he is Encanis, Selitos or even both.
Maybe Encanis is Iax. Iax would be the real enemy in every story. The beast (Skarpi), Encanis (Trapis), the enemy (Shehyn)...
Encanis was the strongest demon, said Trapis, and Iax was the stronger shaper, said Felurian, and we can be absolutely sure that Encanis was a shaped "demon". Encanis mentioned that he shaped to himself, which is forbidden by the Path of "Tehlu" (he was not Tehlu, actually, it's a palimpsest), or knowers, who won the Creation War. If this theory is right, Encanis can not be the Cthaeh because we know that Iax spoke to the Cthaeh, and nobody talk to himself this way.
I wonder who is the actual enemy of this chronicle. Lanre, Selitos, Iax or the Cthaeh.
wow! dude thats legit
Why can’t it be both? Couldn’t all three be parts of the whole?
@@coreyklein6564 Bast said that Iax spoke to the Cthaeh, so Iax can not be the Cthaeh. It's simple.
Interesting that Kvothe swears to Denna on his true name and his power, and while telling his story, seems to have lost his power and his true name. Makes me think that he broke his promise.
If we are to believe its Cinder, then yeah, he probably did
Not only that, but also “by his good left hand”. Keeping in mind that he uses his hands to play the lute, to play music, and that now he doesn’t play music anymore… further proof of the broken promise.
Sure, bc he already kinda broke it… he followed Denna in Severen in hopes of seeing her patron
@@presqueplayed5434 that was before his promise
This is why I always warn people who are just getting started.
This isn’t a hero’s journey. It’s a tragedy.
Many hero stories are tragedies.
This is top tier stuff. One of the best lore deep dives I've seen!
The Cthaeh is probably my favorite creature/being from Kingkiller and I always thought it was the most terrifying, especially when you hear it's voice in the audiobook. That section of the book also had the best prose and the best lore imo, even though the whole Felurian thing was really wierd.
The editing is amazing
I like the garden of Eden similarities
The Felurian section was months and months of Kvothe being raped, but it was presented as if it was a conquest for Kvothe. I hated that section.
@@e.d.m3076 I wouldn't call it rape. He stayed even when he had power over her. Also not like he didn't want it in the first place, even discounting her magic
I find The Kingkiller Chronicle highly indebted conceptually to The Books of Earthsea by Ursula K Le Guin. The Cthaeh, to me, is the most original and fascinating concept introduced by Rothfuss.
I'm very new to the Kingkiller world, and your videos really help to tie everything together. Also, they are excellently produced, I'm impressed. Good work!
Thanks! And welcome to the Kingkiller world! Just remember that with every reread you tend to learn something new, so I highly recommend reading the books a few times! :)
@@CapturedInWords Where's all this great art from? Is there a community hub for kingkiller artwork?
Yes! Keep the kingkiller lore coming!
kvothe's tragedy is that his story will literally never be finished
How else can Pat have his nose so high in the air? He loves himself more than ending the fing story.
@@AV-the-machinist Always refreshing when I see others recognizing how self involved the dude is
Nah bro I'm keen for hopefully a july-august release date this year (2022) as he already read the completely published prologue of Door of stone and I'd say he has a solid amount of the book done and the prologue was just a teaser for us 🙏
@Gholam Da Pantaloon Sniffer how’s that been working out for you lol
This is OUR tragedy 😢
Here’s my theory on why the Sithe missed Kvothe:
The Cthaeh knew all possibilities and would choose the worse outcome. It’s possible that since time itself and the Cthaeh was born, the Cthaeh already knew the endgame. It is not multiple worse outcomes that it chooses for each people that had came in contact with it over the eons, but just ONE worse outcome. All the victims were just pieces of the puzzle that would eventually lead to one ending the Cthaeh sought after. The moment the first person came in contact with the Cthaeh, it was already over. The Sithe, the Creation War, the Fasting War, the Candrian, Kvothe, they were all part of the mechanization of the Cthaeh master plan. The Sithe thinks that only by talking to the Cthaeh, it would lead to one devastation, but every contact that came before, as well as all the tragedies that came with it, were just a step of the Cthaeh’s plan since the first contact. The Sithe exists because the Cthaeh expected them to. It expected them to “intervened” those that sought it, but really, it was just another important step for it to get what it wants. Eventually, it knew and expected them to get distracted and lead Kvothe to meet the Cthaeh. To the Cthaeh, Kvothe is just another push over to bring it to the next phase of its plan.
All this time, there wasn’t multiple devastations caused by the Cthaeh, there had only been ONE, and it’s currently in motion, with Kvothe somehow being the last piece the Cthaeh needed. After all, Patrick Rothfuss said that The Kingkiller Chronicle is the prologue series to something bigger.
I've been waiting for these lore videos! The Cthaeh is one of the most interesting interactions Kvothe has in the books, his entire time in the Fae actually. Can't wait for your next video
YEEES! New KKC content, love your videos on this series and I always want reread them after I watch any of the videos
You are a damned artist Jay. Seriously. The quality, the writing, the artwork, the transitions and effects are divine. You must have spent 167 hours editing all of this. So amazing. When I introduce people to booktube, I always send them to you first. It makes most others look bad, however, I care not. Thank you Jay for your content and your channel. 👍👍👍
Oh my god. This video was amazing and beautiful as always. I actually yelled at some of the revelations! 😂
Thank you for all the hard work you do, the research, the editing, the effects, the voice over, the fan art- everything comes together seamlessly. You’re giving Men of the West a run for their money! 👌🏻✨
I love the voice effect you make for the Cthaeh
YES, more content on my favourite book. Thanks Captured in Words, you're the best!
Thanks for watching! :D
Kvothe didn't just swear on the ever moving moon but by his name and his power. By this we can assume that he does break this promise to Denna and seek to find who her patron is. And if his oath in this world is as powerful as i think, then he must change his name to something else.
One of the best fantasy monsters ever. It sets up a really interesting opportunity to explore the question of free will. If Kvothe doesn't have free will, talking to the Cthaeh didn't change anything, and the conversation was just an event that happened in his pre-scripted destiny. It he does have free will, he should be able to ignore its words or resist the urges it created in him. Except if it can truly see all possible timelines, whatever he tries to do to resist it will be what it wanted - hiding in an inn means he's not becoming a hero who can save the world and prevent further suffering and death, for instance. But if that's the case, then he doesn't truly have free will - his future has been foreseen and there's nothing he can do to escape it.
Good point. I would think that the worst is already done, but based on Bast reaction to the Cthaeh story and the answers of Kvothe i think the book about Kvothe might be able to start a new tragedy.
these videos are so detailed it blows my mind. especially the stuff that seems like you custom animated
This video is awesome! Finding symbolism in the color of butterflies?! I never even thought of that! It's so cool!
Always bringing us high quality content. My day is made.
Glad your day is made, your comment made my day! :D
@@CapturedInWords a win-win situation then! 😊
12:51 How didn't i thought about that before
Well but Denna wrote that song in the end praising Lanre, the leader of the chandrian, and the amyr are still hunting the chandrian so if she’s being trained it isn’t to become an amyr I don’t think. And another thing I remember the Cthaeh saying was that her patron is trying to see how far he could push her with the abuse before she runs away, and then will lure her back with sweet words and promises again. That really doesn’t make it seem like he’s training her in combat.
Doesn’t hold water to me.
More likely is that Denna’s patron is the opposite and is in league with the Chandrian.
I can imagine it playing out that Denna gets more and more closely tied to the Chandrian and that Kvothe ends up working out away to get her out of it. However because of her now perceived association with the Chandrian she is targeted by the Amyr.
There’s the story about Kvothe having to trick a daemon to get his hearts desire and had fight an angel to keep it.
Chronicler looks at Kvothe and thinks this is the face of a man who has killed an Angel.
Kvothe says I have killed men and things that were more than men, and every single one deserved it.
The Amyr are already painted as brutal and heavy handed. Whatever one did to Denna it angered Kvothe so much that he would kill over it and would still feel justified for doing it years later.
I’m talking the real Amyr not the human group.
I also think that Tehlu is one of the real Amyr and that Kvothe has met and spoken with him which would explain what he means when he says that he has spoken with gods.
I mean this is exactly what I was looking for. A YT channel with in depth analysis, theories and fun speculation avout the Kingkiller Chronicle, just I have for ASOIAF, and with high quality audio and presentation. THANKS!!!
Love your videos man. Keep up the good work. (Now I shall go and finish Wise man’s fear)
I've heard several theories linking Denna's patron to Braden & Cinder. Denna's patron could be one or the other, but not both I think. I think it's incredibly unlikely that Cinder is Braden.
First, when Kvothe runs into Cinder in the Eld, he can't see his face, but his mere presence is enough to send chills down his spine. Everyone involved seemed to know something was up with the bandit leader. There is no similar feeling when Braden shows up.
Second, while we don't know Cinder's sign (maybe we do) there isn't any mention of weird phenomena happening when Kvothe and Braden play Tak together.
Finally, it doesn't seem right. Braden is in the Maer's court and I doubt a Chandrian's presence would go unnoticed ... idk
hmmm yes i was thinking of that theory. I pretty much 100% believe Cinder is Denna's patron, given Kvothe's naming knack, but that's very true about braden. I wouldn't put it past Rothfuss to throw in red herrings like the dancing thing
I love the idea that the Ctheah's words are totally not what they seem and Denna is being trained for something
Awesome video mate!
I remember some time ago you wrote in the comments that you considered doing a Kingkiller Chronicles read along. Is it still something you are considering doing?
I would love this.
Thank you!
Yes I will definitely still be doing a Kingkiller Read-Along! Right now I'm hosting a Stormlight Archive Read Along on my Discord, so as soon as that one is finished I'll announce one for Kingkiller :)
@@CapturedInWords Awesome! Looking forward to it
You're thumbnails are incredible man
Great video,👍really like the idea of kvothe and denna having parallel yet maybe opposed purpose, made me think of the song she wrote about lanre putting a different spin on it.leading to a falling out
I am re-reading the series. few chapters away from the Felurian part. Bless you for this.
Thanks for the awesome video once again!
My pleasure, and thanks for the awesome comment! :)
THIS IS SO COOL AND YOU ARE AWESOME. Thanks for keeping this story alive while we wait for the final book ^.^
Haha thanks! And it's my pleasure! :D
I'm seriously LOVING every single video you've made about this subject! WOW! Congrats!
Hey man just read the books and came across your channel and they're both great...keep up the good work man!
Lucky thing. XD
I was waiting for this video!!! Also you can make a video talking about some gifts that Auri gave.
Thanks for the KKC video! Love these and always makes me go back and read the books again.
You're welcome, and glad you enjoy them! :D
If the show ever comes out I think this video will blow up! Good job man!
Love these thoughts! Thank you for making these videos
My pleasure, and thanks for watching them! :D
Jay, I love your theories about these books and your videos are so well-made that I want to watch them over and over again. (Did you know I agree out loud with you while I watch them?)
But...I can see the Assassin's Apprentice behind you and can't wait for you to make videos about Fitz too.
Cheers.
Thanks I'm glad you enjoy them! :D
Haha I actually put Assassin's Apprentice out on my shelf as a hint for what some future videos will be focused on ;)
I'm currently reading Royal Assassin, and plan to make some in-depth videos on the series once I read further! And soon I'll be making a 'Worth a Read' video for Assassins Apprentice! Fitz is becoming one of my favorite fantasy protagonists
I bet you he did *not* know that ;)
@@CapturedInWords I'm not allowed to say I love you because I'm married, but you'll become one of my favourite persons in the world once you finish the three trilogies (I'm sure you won't stop in the first one!) and start making your wonderful videos about Fitz and his friends. As much as I like Kvothe, Fitz and his friend are by far my favourite characters ever!
Happy reading.
Xx
loved the art work... @Rothfuss, we've waited long enough man. Or have the same people who erased all material concerning the amyr and chandrian from all the libraries also gotten to you? ;p
Here’s the thing the video is great but I listened to the audiobooks so his pronunciation is driving me up the wall
Yo me too ITS A V
No mood has been bigger than this
Maybe the audio book mispronounced them as well? X3
But yeah I getcha
@@vincentjames1107 The audiobook is read by the guy who can't finish the series he started. If anyone knows how the names should be pronounced, it's P.R.
Great video with excellent editing! (as always 😊)
Thank you so much 😀
8:32 Jeez, that's terrifying. :D
New video?
AWSOME!
This has me thinking about what exactly the situation is with his name. He did say he forgot who he was for a second when he tried to fight the skin dancer.
How it should have gone:
Kvothe: "I'm going to cut this tree"
The Cthaeh: "You can't cut me, i'm a talking tree"
Kvothe: "And you will die a log"
Except the Cthaeh isn't a tree. At least no more than you are a chair.
@@TheTruePacmanMG That's what a tree would say!
@@estebanrodriguez5409 LMTO
That sounds like exactly what a chair would say!
@@pinkajou656 That's chair talk!
For some reason I picture The CThaeh as Hexus from FernGully every read through. I can NOT imagine how Rothfuss will expand on it’s story in The DoS
Btw I LOVE LOVE LOVE your Denna’s patron theory!
Never thought of Master Ash training Denna in combat before. Although he definitely did beat her in Trebon, albeit for a purpose.
It's an interesting theory! and good point! I feel like that fits in with the theory as well-- In Trebon he had a purpose, he knocked her out in order to protect her from the Chandrian who arrived and killed everyone at the farm. I believe he did this to save her life as she would have been killed by the Chandrian otherwise
@@CapturedInWords that would suggest he knows more about them then anyone we've heard of, also, that he knew they were coming. song of seven sorrows? seems contradictory.
I almost thought that the Cthaeh was talking about two different things to try to confuse Kvothe.
'He beats her, you know. Sometimes in anger...' ie. beats her at Tak, as Bredon did to kvothe (even in anger at one point).
But that theory doesn't work when he brings up the walking stick and the welts under her clothes, unless it's a pretty violent Tak game.
Awsome love your videos, make me wanna reread this series :)
Thanks, and I'm glad! :D
@@CapturedInWords Same, but I am weary to suffer the loss of a book not yet created... Again. He really needs to write that final book and let us all move on already.
I’ve always wondered “can’t Kvothe just..not go back to Felorian?” Like I always thought he only said that to trick her
12:33 - Love me all this theorizing but this image is possibly my favorite thing on all of Captured in Words. LOL
I think the Cthaeh is setting up the opening of the Lackless door. It set up the confrontation between Meluan lackless and the false troopers and all of which lead to her giving Kvothe the wooden ring, a ring not for wearing.
Lol, I'm sure I'm unusual, but I gave a like just for anything about these books. I cant stop reading them.
Same
You are not alone!
The Cathe always depresses me ...
But also I always see new aspects of the story in these Videos (like connecting the butterflys to the effect, seems obvious in retrospect, but I wouldn't have thought of it), thinking about the KKC always feels so facinating and mystical
Hi, gratz for the video and the channel (y)
Only 1 thing to edit. At 4:42 u said that We learn from Felurian bout' the FastingWay war, but it was Bast that say that to Kote.
The rest is very nice (y) Keep the good job dude and the awesome channel ^_^-Y
Thinking about the Cthaeh always gives me a terribly deep sense of despair and it takes me some time to shake myself out of it and remember that this creature doesn't exist..
I don't blame you, It's definitely a terrifying being... I mean essentially you lose your free will after speaking to it, as every action you make is then part of its plan. A truly terrifying creature Rothfuss has created
Hey ✨ awesome Video! I'm very interested to see the connection between the Cthaeh and the thrice locked box.... ✨anyone know more about the story with the killing of the butterflies?....
"Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Cthaeh the Wise?" :D
Can you do a recap video for the first two books ahead of the release of the third please?
Love your videos man, keep up the good work!
Yes i will definitely make an in-depth summary video for both books sometime in the new year! :)
Great video mate!
i could see a similiar arch for denna as kvothe perhaps she lost everything at the hands of the chandrian and if so she might have come to the same conclusion as kvothe to think theres no point in telling anyone the truth they would think her mad if not though she still keeps her own story close to her so maybe a different set of events caused her losing everything and having to fend for herself from a very young age like kvothe
She laughed at kvothe when he metioned the chandrian. 2x
Great video again.
Thanks! :)
Yay! Can’t wait to watch this!
I am Dutch and the Dutch cover of The Name Of The Wind looks really different from the English version, except of the tree pictured in de background. Because there is a tree in both covers, your theory about the tree being the Cthaeh seems really logical to me.
Wow that's really interesting! I googled the Dutch cover because I was curious, I love seeing covers from different countries!
In the Spanish version there's no tree at all :(
Finally, the video gave me feeling like we got the doors of stone.
Patiently waiting for part 2
I love the music you use! Could you put some links?
Awesome video btw, very interesting
I really believe that KKC is "a million word introduction". I don't know, but KKC is such a deep story, and I wouldn't be surprised if Rothfuss wrote five more books.
He recently "apologized" for writing the kingkiller chronicles as prologue to a bigger story. So expect another trilogy.
@@sethkeown5965 the more books the better
Please keep it up!. Great video. Bredan is def. Denna's Patron.
Great video! Thanks
What song do you use in the background? I would love to hear it instrumentally
I'd say it's not even clear that Dennas patreon hits her with a stick. Or that he hits her at all. He could beat her(at a gamble). He does not walk without support. He uses his walking stick. Thats new.
We'll never know the answers since we'll never get to read Doors of Stone unless it is published posthumously.
@Kudmond Hey dude, that's an extremely rude thing to say. Imagine being an author like Patrick Rothfuss and how many drafts you must go through to write a book not only as beautiful as these ones, but also select language so carefully to laden it with hints to fuel the theories we love (in more than just the English language). He works constantly with his charity- worldbuilders, and has many more projects than just King killer chronicle.
It's one thing to disagree with how he's managed his time- that's fine. Think about him seeing this video and appreciating the love people have for his work then he reads your comment calling him fat and lazy to the point hell have a heart attack. Be more careful with your words, please.
@Kudmond, I got your point and I too want to read his book. It had been 8 years. At first, it seems quite disrespectful just like George Martin's eternal delay on Winds of Winter. However, Pat is probably already tired of working too much in one story. He is risking his book and his first ideas to not old well within our fast-pace changing society. Nevertheles, this is offensive to the author, he may be depressed. And his depression may be linked to his never perfect conclusion.
@@9TheGodfather5 You insulted him, you wished him harm ( Passively but still ) and then you insulted him again. Maybe you should work on yourself?
@@dane3038 I don't know where i wished him harm.
I just stated that i wish he will be treated as he treats others.
I implied that I want this for an educational purpose for him.
There is a difference in wanting someone to get treated badly, merely for personal pleasure.
Or wanting someone to get treated badly for educational purposes.
If he can realise what kind of human he is, without any negative impact by others (of anykind) I am all for it.
Given how he reacted in the first place, it is a fair assumption that that is highly unrealistic.
The insults you call out, are all founded on the things he stated by himself, they are not without any basis.
I said that he is not intelligent.
Based on the fact that he insulted without reason in the first place and he said that he could not even read (or be bothered to read) more than 5 sentences.
He embraces his ignorance
I proclaimed him to be toxic because he was toxic.
And he had the urge to insult on no basis whatsoever, that for me implies a despicable person.
I say, every action forces a reaction.
I understand what kind of point you are trying to make but he had no basis for his reaction, I had one for mine.
I am not a person to randomly insult on the internet.
I still have the feeling that it was completly justified.
And I had the feeling that if there was any chance that an internet comment would make a difference in this persons life, it would need to be a bit harsh.
I felt that i needed to react to such a blatantly hostile message.
So in conclusion, I don't think that I need to work on my self,
1. because i can admit to faults
2. I can participate in a discussion and be convinced that I am wrong
3. I rarely insult people and if I do I can justify it.
@@9TheGodfather5 Sure.
Great video. Thank you :).
yes thank you for this video!
Thank you for this comment! :D
Did you have the link to theory of what each butterfly may represent that you mentioned in the video? Would be interested in reading that. Great video.
Yup I just added the link to the description underneath the Art Credit link! :)
@@CapturedInWords thanks! Will check it out
i remember Denna briefly mention her patron was a good dancer and Brendon told Kvothe at one point he was taking dance classes or so, just a little back up for the theory that hes her patron.
Actually, now that I go over the words of the Ctheah again, I think the theory about Breddon being the Patron are possible... but when Kvothe was guessing, he pretty much pointed right at Cinder and Breddon isn't Cinder.
OMG Finally!! you are pronouncing well Kvothe!!!!!
I feel like what Chronicler was saying to Bast is important. The Cthear knows the future. All futures. So it already knew when it spoke with Lanray that it would speak with Kvothe. It's role in the future is something overstated, because if it can influence history just by speaking to someone its influenced history perfectly whomever it led astray first.
Don't read this if you haven't read the 2nd book.
Can you get into whole bast is a bad guy thing? The end of the 2nd book was a bit confusing. Like is bast trying to bring our the old kvote or is he secretly trying to kill our hero?
i think he was trying to get them to attack kvothe so that he would have to fight back and it'd brink back some of his spark yk like his magic, but instead he failed miserably. the bandits/soldiers just thought bast wanted to rob kvothe but in reality he was using them to try and change kote back to kvothe.
i also have another theory that kote locked the letters v and h in the thrice locked chest (changing his name and therefore who he is) and thats why hes a bitch now instead of badass
@@luke-elisathepug776 huh that’s a really interesting theory. I would love if that turns out to be true
Anyone else just randomly watch these videos like one a month
This video is making me want to read this series again, I may have to soon. This is an interesting part of the story, I believe it will have major implications for the rest of the story - the Cthaeh may have an agenda of its own maybe?
You always learn more with another reread! :) And yes I think the Cthaeh definitely has its own agenda, though what that is... well most likely only the third book can tell
@@CapturedInWords We will just have to wait and see sadly, still a reread is on the cards and I am looking forward to it!
good job sir...well done. cant wait for the book, 2028 probably
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epic video, more please
man you are really good.
Wanted to say I love your content but I have to repress all KKC from my RUclips. I’m heartbroken that our young mall Santa may never actually write book 3. If he does, I sub immediately.
So, regarding Bredon, and specifically the whole "he beats her"// "mostly, it's a game to him".
There's a scene between Kvothe and Bredon where Kvothe is saying he's almost beaten Bredon, and he'll get him next time. And Bredon becomes very firm and says "No, you aren't." and proceeds to BEAT HIM mercilessly on the Tak board multiple games in a row, viciously. He can't physically strike Kvothe because of how close he is to the Maer.
It could be Bredon is training her to be an Amyr; "the greater good" and all that.
I hold on to one small shred of hope..
He ran. While the ctheah yells out wait i have so much more to tell you.
Perhaps damage has been done. Perhaps the fae realm is pouring into the world of man and endless war and countless death is almost certain.
But he ran.
And perhaps. Having caused the current state of the world. Kvothe is now, past the influence of the ctheah,
And can get to fixing the mess hes made.
I thought the tree in the cover was alluding to Kvothe's many names, one being the... broken tree? I think?
If you consider that both I and J can be pronounced like a Y in old English and Old Norse, it makes sense to pronounce Jax/Iax as Yax or Ee-yax
Regarding what the Cthaeh says about Denna's patron, if we assume this mysterious patron is Bredon, when he says her patron "beats her" "not all the time but often" and that "mostly it's a game to him" maybe he is talking about the tak game.
Like he is beating her as winning against her, and it is a game.
For the walking stick he used, maybe he just used a new walking stick 2 days ago, literally, to walk.
And for the welts under her clothes, it could be anything, the Cthaeh does not explicitly says her patron inflicted those welts.
And the "bruises down to the bone" could be anything, it could figuratively refer to deep wounds in Denna's mind, like troubling things that have happened to her in the past.
But she may admit in the book that her patron literally hits her though, I don't remember quite well...
what are your thoughts about kingkiller chronicle being pregual to the real series not jet pupliched
I actually think the Cthaeh isn't evil, it's just very bored because of its immortality and does everything in its power to amuse itself. Action is entertainment, so war is the entertainment for immortals. And because of its practical omniscience it also has a very different sense of morality. It can see the sixth dimension, which is something humans (and fae) cannot even comprehend, which means its understanding of everything is completely different from ours. Keeping it away from everyone is a good idea, but just because it's dangerous doesn't mean it's evil. And it might be a wholly false assumption that it tries to get the worst outcome, maybe it's trying to get the best, but great progress requires great sacrifice, or something like that.
He is full evil. That's what Pat said in an interview. 100% evil.
@@nadie7480 I'm of the opinion that "evil" is bad writing.
Nothing on history has ever been "evil", everyone always has a reason for their behaviour and thought it was justified. If they didn't they wouldn't have done it. If a character from a book (even an immortal omniscient tree) is evil with no justification that means the author doesn't know what they're doing, I doubt that's the case for Rothfuss.
Why does everyone always act as though we could rely on what Bast said about the Cthaeh? How would anyone even know the Cthaeh's abilities? Did they ask it? Would it tell the truth? How would you test it's knowledge of ALL future?
Also from a meta perspective an all knowing, all powerful being would just ruin any story. And if it were all that, then it would be idiotic to only introduce it after being halfway through the story. If the Cthaeh had manipulated events for millennia and there wasn't any way around it, then we simply wouldn't have a story. It would be the equivalent of saying "...and then everyone died. The end."
Kvothe said his story were a tragedy, but that was just his assessment. An assessment he made while suffering from some kind of depression, so we can't take it as commentary on the overall narrative. Perhaps his backstory is a tragedy, but obviously there's also stuff happening in the "present", while he tells his tale, so the overarching story hasn't reached it's conclusion yet. Imagine the series would end with Kvothe saying: "ok so that's it. Bb Chronicler. I'ma go die now." and then he leaves and dies.
The narrative simply isn't structured like a tragedy. If it were just about how Kvothe managed to screw up his life, we wouldn't even need the framing story. There's an implicit promise at the beginning of the story, really at the beginning of any story, that what's about to happen will matter in some way and if things ended just as bleakly as they currently appear, then the telling of the story wouldn't have mattered.
It didn't finish talking to him, I'm assuming it knows the future but say it knows all of who it sees, not kvothes father though. Remember kvothes mother was a whore, so you could never know the true limits of the oracles abilities. Like maybe the oracle didnt know kvothes father was a fae. That would explain kvothes magical affinity and how he snook past 5 godly fae archers that guard the oracle. Twice.
Bast says anyone whi gets close gets killed, anyone who makes it out gets killed. Therefore kvothe got past the 5 archers 2 times. Even the oracle didn't see that coming, if kvothe has the ability to overcome fae abilities then I'm assuming it works on the Oracle as well
I'm doing that best sell fiction course now.
You are amaaziing
Next week's video can't come soon enough!
Tbh i think cinder being dena's patron is a bit of a bad theory. It only works if you ignore all the painstaking lore and tension put into the books and story telling. In order for Cinder to be the patron he would almost have to be eliminated in a single chapter based on the pace of story telling.
It's possible. But I find it much more likely that Dena is a Chandrian especially considering the story told of their origin.
She fits almost perfectly the story of an immortal being, born of sin, who is desperately trying to find a way towards redemption.