How DC Comics ERASED Jack Kirby's Superman
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- In this video, Owen explains the history of Jack Kirby's time at DC Comics, how the legendary artist reinvented the Jimmy Olsen comic and the reason why DC erased the face of his Superman.
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Great video as always now make a video about the joker's favourite sandwitch
And why did they do it?
Dislike. Please don’t wait 5 minutes before You get to the point. We know who Kirby is
DC has destroyed all of their Super Heroes, I stopped buying their comics years ago when the wokeness started. Superman is the biggest destruction they have done.
While I love most of Kirby's work am I the only one that hates his faces? Semi neanderthal or too simian. Something. I'll take Romita or Byrne, Adams or Simonson over Kirby on a whole even though Kirby's cosmic stuff and backgrounds are phenomenal
It's incredibly ironic how DC's management disregarded Kirby's work on Fourth World at the time, but these days they're clinging to Darkseid like a life preserver.
It really is hard to imagine the DCU without Kirby's concepts, like the Fourth World, Intergang, and Project Cadmus.
This is all really interesting but what’s joker’s favorite sandwich??
You can't gotcha us with your trick questions, we all know the Joker Sandwich is a card trick.
Pastrami bacon roast beef on Mable rye with lettuce tomato pepper jack cheese and honey mustard
GRILLED CHEESE SANDWICH
We DEFINITELY need a Joker sandwich video!
Harley Quinn and Poison ivy
It's always a bummer to learn how disrespected Kirby was in the industry back in the day, at both Marvel and DC. It's wonderful that he's recognized today as the comics pioneer that he truly was, but I wish he could have enjoyed some of that glory back when he was doing all the work.
Yean,the editors at Marvel(when Jack went back to Marvel in 1976)would make fun of Jack's artwork to his face.Total disrespect.And told him he should retire because he couldn't draw good anymore.Kirby left Marvel to work in animation,I forget which studio.
Because he just want to draw from his heart not attached to his own creation.
AGREED.
*i love kirby's productions. his artistry, writing and vision are second to none. **_THAT BEING SAID,_** i remember reading his take on supes during his **_"NEW GODS"_** run, **_AND IT WAS SHIT!!_** just terrible. he just had no understanding of the character, his exploits or superman's limitations.*
@@powerbad696Most likely Ruby-Spears.
While Kirby's first stint with Marvel is iconic, his tenure with DC should be regarded highly too. His work on New Gods, Mister Miracle, OMAC, Kamandi, and The Demon was exemplary work. He definitely did not get enough appreciation from his contemporaries.
Technically, that was the King's third stint with DC. In his first, he and Joe Simon became legit superstars at DC in the 40s and even had Boy Commandos outselling Batman. Plus, he created Manhunter, Guardian and the Newsboy Legion, and remade Sandman in his image. In his second stint at DC, he re-energized Green Arrow and created Challengers of the Unknown, the second hit of the Silver Age right after the Barry Allen Flash. He would have probably spend the entire sixties doing sci-fi adventures featuring this fantastic foursome, but he and editor Jack Schiff had a disagreement over ownership of the Sky Masters comic strip and also a land dispute, so Schiff got Kirby blacklisted at DC. Overall, Kirby actually did slightly more work for DC than Marvel by a few percentage points. It was just spread out over three separate eras rather than mostly bunched together as with Marvel.
As the King said himself, "Comics will break your heart"
Check out the Carl Burgos story sometime, for proof of that.
I always love revisiting Kirby's time at DC, especially Jimmy and the beginnings of the Fourth World. It's fascinating how the company did so much to erase his visual identity only to re-incorporate it over the years. I really don't think the DC Universe would look or feel the same without him.
Fantastic work as always, Owen!
Kirby's home was always Marvel and at the time comics were suffering and remember DC were reprinting old titles and that was cool old titles like Blackhawks and Sea Devils were on the ranks as others . The Silver Age ended as I would buys some comics from time to time .
Let's not forget that DC also sabotaged "Spirit World" and "In the days of the Mob", the two non-superhero projects Kirby wanted to do after Forth World. Apparently, Kirby just wanted to establish Forth World and its characters and then step aside, let others take the reins, with him as editor/coordinator. His goal was to create more prestige books with "Spirit..." and "In the days...", but DC did everything they could to stop those plans.
What is in the days?
@@jmgonzales7701 both were anthology books in prestige format. I believe “In the days...” had stories about Al Capone and Ma Baker, stuff like that.
@@robertopulitano8093 Sounds trippy but at the same time interesting.
Erasing Kirby's Superman faces was probably the biggest insult of the many that DC heaped upon Kirby! It wasn't just to protect their brand, it was spiteful!
Jack Kirby is the most influential artist in all of media not just comics. His imagination and boundless storytelling is top notch he is the king for a reason it's a crime that DC erased his superman's face
Should’ve let him draw Superman’s face
@@MetalMadness_00 drawing is his passion, a honest person. He chose not to own his character, so he can draw character anything he want.
@@RACH90810 least we finally got the big Jack Kirby DC Story
*i love kirby's productions. his artistry, writing and vision are second to none. **_THAT BEING SAID,_** i remember reading his take on supes during his **_"NEW GODS"_** run, **_AND IT WAS SHIT!!_** just terrible. he just had no understanding of the character, his exploits or superman's limitations.*
@@maddoxtolliver totally untrue
It always makes me smile when I finish an episode of season 3 or 4 of Young Justice and get to see Jack Kirby's name credited with all the characters he created.
Now Owen has to make the “Jokers Favorite Sandwich” video
A well researched, thoughtful video essay of no less than 20 minutes is mandatory.
Please don't do it Owen.
Way back in the seventies when I first read the Kirby Jimmy Olsen comics I immediately noticed that they were re-drawing Kirby's Superman faces. It was so obvious.
Great video as always, Owen! Love every time you dig into Kirby’s history.
Love you both !!! need that Comic Content ...
I didn't knew you liked seeing two fellow comicbook mansplainers, Draper.
It always makes me sick to my stomach when an entertainment based company (comics, wrestling, blog, etc) is able to acquire their direct competitions top attraction, only to purposely bury them to make the organization, as a whole, look better then their competitors.
It does not. Ever. All it does is make the company look like it is run by half wits that don’t know how to book themselves out of a wet paper bag, even when they have absolute gold on their payroll.
Bret Hart in WCW
@@karlherman3591 EXACTLY like Bret Hart in WCW.
I was trying to figure out why this story seemed so familiar and then I realized I'd witnessed it in person in the nascent smartphone industry, with Microsoft and Danger, Inc.
I can’t believe that DC did Kirby dirty but I’m glad he was able to do something he wanted in the end.
Hearing that Kirby didn't want to over run other creatives work when given the chance at some of the biggest characters makes you respect him 1000000 times more.
Imagine a comic book company that had given Kirby the respect and control he deserved. Stunning.
14:06 Having Coletta specifically "correct" Kirby's art was a bad call given how unsuited he was to ink Kirby's pencils in general.
I always loved the Kirby/Colletta years on Thor and FF although I know it's not a popular opinion.
@@summertime_blooz me too. I despite collettas inking, but with kirby makes a great work.
Coletta was the worst Inker in Marvel Comics History
@@mightyraccoon7155 Maybe it's time we really consider calling Colletta as a "racer", since what he does isn't really up to many common standards as an inker, or in some cases, even a tracer.
@@mightyraccoon7155 Correction: worst inker in comics history.
I really enjoy Jack Kirby's work. He's been a lifetime inspiration for me, and a major influence on my own work. I am known as someone who can draw in many different styles and ways, having being self-taught before my stint at the Joe Kubert School, but I learned a great deal about dynamics and dimension from Kirby's work. He was one of the few artists that actually changed the superhero comic book landscape. Before Jack Kirby, a lot of artist depicted heroes in fairly static poses, even while in the midst of an action scene. Kirby really changed all that. Kirby's figure were dynamic and three-dimensional. They were exciting to look at, and put special emphasis on the actions at hand. Kirby's heroes leaped off the page! They grabbed me in a big way when I was a kid, and still do! Several years back, I did an illustration of Bashful Ben Grimm, better known as the Thing as a commission for a friend. I drew it in a very Kirby-esque style because it's Jack's original version will always be my favorite, and I consider his version to be the BEST version. I hope you like seeing it here. I'll post a link below. Thank you for the great video! I don't know that I learned anything new from it that I didn't already know, but it's always great to see Jack's work flashing on my computer screen, and just as nice hearing people talk about his legacy. I look forward to future videos!
www.lostonwallace.com/thingcollage100.jpg
They need to re-release those books with Kirby's original Superman artwork.
I’m highly against DC profiting off something they were ashamed of and tried to hide. Think about that, why should they now try to change the perception of Kirby they themselves were pushing? Oh that’s right for financial gain, and whose going to get rich? Certainly not Jack Kirby, his family will barely get anything while DC rakes in cash they really don’t deserve hand over fist.
So basically, DC getting Jack Kirby to draw Superman is like getting Todd McFarlane to draw 'My Little Pony'. Kirby does tend to draw blocky looking hands, but adding A classically drawn Superman face onto of those designs kinda defeats the purpose of having A Kirbyesque looking Superman.
If only they could have gotten Wally Wood to ink it as he did in Challengers of the Unknown. Wood had a way of preserving Kirby's feel but also adding an illustrative feel so the overall effect was close to Steve Rude for a modern comparison. He's still the King's best inker ever.
Even though curt swan is my prefered superman artist and my favorite superman design is the fleischer superman, I still love jack's interpetation of him.
I remember reading this story from " Was Superman a Spy?" Book that covered this and many other comic 'incidents' in the business! Personally I do agree DC went too far sabotaging Kirby's work; whether this be by erasing Superman's face or meddling with his introduction of The New Gods...DC just forced the King to leave. That's not how you treat a great artist, and sadly, he wouldn't be the last...
About a month ago, I looked at a trade paperback of The Forever People, and Superman's face was the first thing I noticed. Knowing how a) Stan Lee would add notes on pages to redraw characters (like "Johnny looks too much like Reed here.") and b) even some of his renderings of real people (such as a villain with John Lennon's face) would devolve within a few panels into his usual style; I had wondered if DC had asked him to redraw Supes, or had someone redraw him.
If Superman looks like that masoginist Mr.Fantastic, that's not a good thing.
If I'm not mistaken DC had Curt Swan redraw Jack Kirby's Superman at least in a few issues of Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen
@@albertoorani5427 DC also had Murphy Anderson & Al Plastino draw Superman & Jimmy Olsen for awhile in Kirby's run of Jimmy Olsen comics; eventually, DC finally Kirby himself draw those characters. Neal Adams inked Kirby's pencils of Superman on some of the Jimmy Olsen covers. It was said that Wally Wood offered to ink Kirby's pencils on Jimmy Olsen; having worked with Kirby before as well as worked on some of the Superman titles before.
@@geraldstephens6612 Didn't know that, thanks for the info
The fact that Kirby didn't hold any bitterness toward those who wronged him is why he is the GOAT
Would love a follow up video to this covering Kirby’s return to Marvel with his Black Panther series and how that ties into Christopher Priest’s run in the early 2000’s
"Joker's Favorite Sandwich" NEXT!!
You're killing it, Owen! I loved this video.
I love Kirby's work. Fantastic Four naturally the most, but his Super Powers felt, ironically, like breath of fresh air and is still rereadable by me. When I was small Kirby was a DC guy, but his Marvel works were being reprinted in the giant-sized issues and were readily available still for 10c at yard sales and flee markets. What a shame that neither company gave the gifted man the respect he had coming. I near these days Ordway and even Byrnes are being ignored for projects for the same silly reason of being supposedly "outdated". True art is always a pleasure to behold.
It should be noted that DC leadership (Paul Levitz and Jenette Kahn specifically I believe) wanted Kirby to do character redesigns of his Fourth World characters for the new toy line specifically so that he would be entitled to royalties for those characters (as the royalty program did not exist when he created them). Kudos to them for trying to do right by him when so many others didn’t.
I was a marvel fan most of my life but through a friend Superman became one of my favorite characters. I love this channel you make some of the best content on RUclips
It's crazy to see how complicated comic history can be! I also love how apparent it is that a lot of work goes into making a video like this. And yes, we're waiting on that "Joker's Favorite Sandwich" video.
I got to know Jack Kirby just slightly. I was Manager of a San Diego Comic store from 1984 to the late 90s (I was also at every Comic Con from 1975 when I first met him), when I returned to my home town and owned my own Store until near the the end of 2008. I had some long talks with Jack Kirby. I can say that, at least to me, he said he was very unhappy during his last year at DC. The fans had basically rejected his Fourth World (it later gained popularity), the only real star of his Fourth World was Darkseid, a rare Villain capable of going toe to toe with Superman. The only thing Jack was doing that was selling was Kamandi, which, by his standards, was hackwork as he was basically ripping off Planet of the Apes. A year later he seemed happy to be returning to Marvel. But, by that time his skills as writer and artist had deteriorated and he again felt slighted by Marvel.
Hey, make a video on Jokers favorite sandwich, just an idea LOL
Great video! Thanks for the insight on the happenings during this era for Kirby. It's really crazy to see how much drama always seems to happen behind the scenes of comic book companies in any age. For all their drama with Jack Kirby, he gave them the beginnings of a cosmic masterpiece and he delivered on his idea of creating timeless characters. To this day, the New Gods, the Demon, and Kamandi all still pop pretty consistently in comics and other media. As well, Jack gave DC their ultimate villain. While Lex Luthor and Joker were still trying to figure out how to rob banks and make themselves richer, Jack gave them Darkseid, a being who wanted to enslave and recreate the universe in his image. He is still the ultimate villain at DC to this day. To finish, I remember getting Jack's Super Powers comics and loving how I could finally see my favorite characters drawn in Jack's style. I only wish that Mike Royer had inked that series too. It was always magic when those two worked together.
It was definitely a power struggle with people on both sides within DC. After Kirby, Jimmy Olsen went back to his pre-Kirby stories for a little while, but in only a few more years he was in new adventure stories with the Newsboy Legion and Guardian all over again in Superman Family. It just took a few of the old guard to move on and more young turks writing and editing. DC has been regularly mining the Kirby IP ever since.
The Superman image at 19:05 shows how much of an influence Kirby must have been on Darwyn Cooke
Jack Grimes played Jimmy on the Superman radio show. Jack Larson portrayed him on tv, a decade later.
I think it should be emphasized that when Kirby didn’t want to replace an existing creative team it was specifically because he didn’t want to take other peoples’ jobs away from them. The man lived through the Great Depression, and I think it probably informed a lot of his own beliefs and behavior.
I am into seven decades and I had never seen Kirby's Superman. Effin' breathtaking. Who knew?
"Comics will break your heart". It's the comment I think about way too often when I think of Jack Kirby
Excellent video as always! Kirbys time at DC is always so strange to me, but its fascinating to revisit!
This video will be one of the most important historic discoveries in the history of making or history in general
To me it boggles my mind that DC would brag about getting Jack Kirby, then do everything in their power to make the art not look like Jack Kirby. At that point, I feel like what even was the point? 😅
(For what it’s worth, based on just the images shown here from that later work shown in the 80s, I think Kirby’s Superman came across as rather dashing…but Superman is my favorite DC hero, so maybe I’m a bit biased lol…😅)
Another fantastic video! Well done! I don’t know a lot about Kirby’s time with DC, being a newbie and mostly a Marvel reader so I appreciate the knowledge you impart in your videos! 👍🏽
Carmine Infantino wanted Kirby but some of the old editors didn't want Joe Simon or Jack Kirby at DC.
The general attitude at dc was, that Neal Adams was the future of comics, and Kirby was the past.
I know some of these editors and corporate snobs at DC gave the excuse that they wanted to change Kirby's Superman to 'fit the house style' or 'to get one over on Marvel'; but the real reason is they just thought his artstyle was ugly. They were just too afraid to say it because of the scrutiny they'd receive by dissing an iconic artist. Shoot, I can say it with a strait face that at some of his work on people IS UGLY! VERY UGLY! But that's fine. His arts is his own and he's still fantastic! That's why folks wanted to read his works and see his spin on Superman! Sadly DC rarely let him do even that.
The Fourth World is the absolute peak of comic books to me.
Edit: excepting the meddling with Kirby’s artwork
So just to make sure that I'm getting this straight, because I'm pretty sure that I'm not getting this straight: DC Comics told "The King" Jack Kirby that he could pretty much do whatever he wanted with whatever book he was assigned to, and then when he exactly does just what he wanted, DC Comics decided that he shouldn't do whatever he wanted. Just because it's Superman.
If DC Comics didn't like Jack Kirby drawing Superman, which by sounds indisputably AWESOME, then why not let him have free reign on any other book not related to the Big Three. Whatever he did would have been just amazing.
Try to get hold of a few early issues of Kamandi, if you haven't already done so - that's a classic example how great Kirby could be when left alone to do his own thing.
Jolly good review sir. Nice collab. Those Kirby mini comics and the Kenner Super Powers figures are iconic.
This is just like when a good history teacher gives you a lesson about something and you actually get pissed off for the people that experienced it
You inserted the cover to Challengers of the Unknown #3 from 1958 in the video. That one cover alone destroys Stan Lee's claim that he created the Fantastic Four.
Back in 1984 I was taking drum lessons from a punk rock drummer and a guy in one of his bands has a Gibson SG with Jack Kirby's Cap punching Hitler airbrushed on it.
Really well done. Thank you so much for the presentation. 😉👌🏼✨
I feel more than giving insight into what happened between Kirby and DC this video also gives an idea of just what kind of person Kirby himself was
KIrby volunteered to fight in WW2,some artists were not required to go serve/fight.Some were exempt from fight,given a cushy job stateside,like Stan Lee.Kirby came from a rough & tumble neighborhood,he was very tough and you didn't push him around.He once told a story from WW2,where he had to fight-off 3 enemy fighters.Kirby put in the hours to produce work for Marvel comics,most times drawing multiple issues,most artists these days can't meet the deadlines on a single title.Kirby was handing in untold pages of finished artwork a month.
Thanks for including Scott from Nerdsync! He's a cool and awesome fellow covering comics!
Thank you for the amazing video, Owen.
Thank you so much, Chris! Glad you enjoyed it.
The Behind-the-scenes-Dramatics have always been (and probably still are) absolutely bonkers.
Great work as ever Owen
Question.
Have you ever or would you ever do a piece on:
Deadman
The Spectre
The Creeper
Metamorpho?
9:04 According to Jim Salicrup, another reason for all the "Silver Age Silliness" was because writers would adapt ideas submitted by actual kids
A yes, Scott sticking true to his nature, giving context
Even though DC erased his Superman face they made sure that he was taken care of via their toy line.When they released their Super Powers line of toys they included several of his characters and had him do the art on the comic that came out at the time earning him royalties from the toys.
Very interesting. Thanks for the information.
This is a cool idea for a video and is executed brilliantly.
Thanks so much, Jack!
Fantastic video, really excellent.
A great and informative video!
Thank you! It’s great to see and understand what Jack Kirby was creating with Superman.
Excellent video I hope you do more Kirby vids like his creator own work and later marvel stuff like eternals and machine man and devil dinosaur
Great video. I wish you had been able to include some shots of the DC Direct New Gods action figures from 2008-2009. Eight figures were directly based on Jack Kirby‘s artwork. Series 2 featured Superman.
This seems like the way it always is in the entertainment world:
1) Big media company hires famous artist.
2) Artist produces material in their style.
3) Company says, "No, not like that, like we've been doing it for the last fifty years."
4) Artist says "Then why tf did you hire me?"
5) Artist and company compromise and release a bastard product halfway between both styles.
6) Product fails.
7) Company blames artist.
Awhile back when I watched your video on mister miracle I loved it so much I went out and bought the comic so I could read it. Thank you for getting me into mister miracle
Jeez, what a way to disrespect a legend. Thanks for covering this, I only had a vague idea about Kirby's troubles at DC.
Such an infuriating story for me every time I hear it. Altering an artist's work like this is such a huge insult to begin with. But to have done it to Kirby is just insane. It was Curt Swan that usually redrew the faces I believe. A great artist but not on Kirby's level. He should have declined to do that.
I don't know if Swan himself redrew any of Kirby's art (though DC did replace Alex Toth's Superman face with his for the Super Friends cartoon), but the instruction was for artists to draw it like Swan's Superman.
It was Al Plastino in the beginning--on the first issue of Forever People and the first few issues of Jimmy Olsen--and then Murphy Anderson on Jimmy's book after that. Note that when Mike Royer became the inker, there was no redo on Superman/Clark. So it seems like it was Colletta they had a problem with. Other pencillers got redone, mainly by Anderson, such as Werner Roth on Lois Lane (also with Colletta being the regular inker). And the Superman image they were going for was that Swanderson type--but not how Curt himself would have illustrated Superman, only how Anderson's inks interpreted Swan. Given it was done to other artists, not just Kirby, I don't see it as directed at Jack. I don't think it was a good idea--it would have been better if Vinnie Colletta never inked anyone, but he seemed to have some pull that got him these jobs--still, it was a general policy applied to many Superman artists at that time. For accurate art credits, see the GCD, comics.org.
I’d do a 2 part issue. Jimmy Olsen’s One Night Stand And Lois Lane’s Darkest Secret.
Dope. Had no idea DC did The King dirty like that.
It's ridiculous, given that the guy just handed them their Ultimate Big Bad whose well they keep going back to for some kind of compelling plot.
But unless you're Grant Morrison, apparently you're destined to not understand how to write an actually good line like "the hole shaped like God."
I think Joker's favorite sandwich is a Candwich
It really is hard to imagine the DCU without Kirby's concepts, like the Fourth World, Intergang, and Project Cadmus.
Is really curious, I always read how bad they treated Jack Kirby in Marvel, but almost never read about his bad experience in DC.
I recall reading that after both the new gods and forever people books were canceled back in 1972, Kirby wanted out, but was told in no uncertain terms, that dc was not going to release him from his contract.
It is kind of weird how pretty soon after DARKSEID became considered such a great and core character.
Hiring Jack Kirby and then having his art redrawn is like ordering a hot brownie ala mode, then turning full Karen because it's not a cold cookie with butter cream...
Kirby’s style on super man is kinda interesting gives him more of an alien vibe, a face that shared a little more with the likes of Zodd
Considering you did a video on justice league international a video on the new human target by Tom king would be dope
Jack Kelk and Jack Grimes played Jimmy Olsen on the Superman radio show. Jack Larson was Jimmy on the “Adventures of Superman” TV show with George Reeves.
Correct. It's illegal for anyone to play Jimmy Olsen unless their name is Jack.
the next video better be about Joker's favorite sandwich, or we will riot!
I love Reed Tucker's Slugfest book. Has some great stories. My favorite is the Man Thing Swamp Thing story.
The editors from DC at the time should've just let him do his thing. That being said, I'm not fond of Kirby's art style
This is great and all, but I do want that sandwich story Owen
jack kirby so fucking cool
Owen, I love your work. But I will be very motived to sub if theres a Joker's favourite sandwich video.
It is really ironic how Jack Kirby's draw of Superman looks a lot like Tom Welling kkkkkkk
As a kid , I collected many titles and one was Jimmy Olson and remember in 1970 Kirby went to DC . As I was now a teenager comic books weren't appealing to me anymore since I discovered girls and got popular. I had bought a few DC comics and could've get into the new version of Olson.
Gødland drawn by Tom Scioli looks very much like Jack Kirby.
Not to everyone's tastes, but I love the evolution of JK's art. The more extremely stylised later work is just beautiful. Maybe the early 60s work is my favourite, but there's no need to choose, I love it all. Still 'The King'. 🎨👑
Kirby’s late period work was dismissed and disparaged by the companies that are making movies about it now.
Owen, make a video about the Joker's Favourite Sandwich! Even I don't know what it is, although I suspect it's Pastrami, Lettuce Tomato, Egg and Mushrooms.
Priority One should be to worry about why they've been erasing Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel's Superman.
Can you do a video about the earth one superman comics. When I read it, it had a lot of potential that people don't give a lot thought to it.
Al Plastino was said to be the artist who did 'Plastino Surgery" on the face of Jack Kirby's Superman drawings!
I not only want, i need g video on jokers favorite sandwich and why!
Jack Kirby did his best work for Marvel. He did, however, work for just about every other company that was around in the 1950s, 60s and 1970s. I can understand the need to have Superman have a certain look. Someone messing with Kirby's art though was really insulting.
THE KING!
Here's a little known face Robert kirkmans oblivion song was rooted in an article he read about Kirby wanting to do Batman but never got the chance to