Both these tanks seem balanced. The thing is, balanced tanks now seem like trash because of the OP tanks they have been bringing out recently. Funny that…
Tornvagn definitely not balanced tbh, it's on the poor side. TL-7 I'll agree with for sure. (Just wish the dispersions were a little better) and for sure it definitely suffers from something like the Cobra T54 existing
once the tank is set up - it's a very solid tank - i've got 440 view range; .30 gun accuracy; 2.21 aim and 11.5 reload -i'm running a fully trained crew. what i'm most impressed with is how competitive this tank is against tier 10. the only thing i wish i could change was hull traverse: 22 is HORRIBLE. i'd like it to be at least 28-30. one thing i was surprised at was how hard the gun can hit. it lists 400 a shot but i've been routinely hitting for 420 - 460. i'm very happy with this tank - and at around 7000 gold, it's at a very good price.
The Mobility with the poor view range is what kills this tank (horrible dispersion values aswell) T32a is on discount 1000g cheaper and is far better at what this tank wants to do
@@Petty360 - my view range is 440 - you think this is "bad" for a heavy??? just curious - what do you consider "good" view range for a heavy? i've played 9 matches with it now. only 3 tier8 matches but i'm putting up good numbers.. good luck with the t32a!
It's gotten to the point where "balanced" tanks are considered underpowered or pretty much trash now thanks to all of the overpowered premiums now in the game. What a damn shame - it's really gotten this bad, hasn't it? Neither one of these new black tanks are worth it - not in the slightest.
The turret reminds me of the Concept 1B, which is a pretty good hulldown tank imho. The Concept 1B on the contrary is very mobile for a heavy tank, especially when using Clutch Braking and Off-Road Driving.
@@oz314 it can at best overmatch a small part of the turret…never happened to me, though. They just did not hit the spot. Edit: I checked the armor model, and could not find a spot on the turret as thin as 40mm. What you are referring to is penetrating the very tiny cheeks besides the mantlet with HEAT. That is possible, but good luck with that on mid-range.
What an absolute shitter it has been today with the return of three artys. I've never been an arty complainer but one per side actually made the game fun to play.
Yep, and they are all focusing the new tanks, probably averaged around 1.3k damage from 4 hours playing my torvnvagn since all arty does is focus you the whole match. And yesterday in my Icebreaker I got a few 5-6k games since there were no arty, funny that.
I expect this tank is very good on pc but on console we have the old HE . The Russian 152s seem to be my issues aswell as the sky clowns. I like it though as I like to try and use my armour and it dosnt feel op . Excellent video 👍
When you said this tank is basically the newer T34, that's exactly my thoughts. Yeah I think the T34 is better overall but this tank at least has the better hull front. Otherwise this tank isn't really that worth it
It makes no sense - a tank for training crews quickly, that has so many drawbacks you need a fully specced crew. I kind of like it, but it needs help and much better alternatives exist including the T34 Black.
Idk why but i really like the tornvagn uts a balanced tank it has goot frontal armour but no side and rear armour the canon is good if you are useing it in close or mid distances i know its not the best tank but i think its a fun tank
I think it's better to leave all the arty one shots as a compilation in the video because it's a real issue with the tank people will encounter and seeing is more memorable than just hearing about it.
Yeah, I'm honestly shocked this tank wasn't buffed when it was ported here to Console. This is considered an absolutely terrible tank on PC, so why it wasn't buffed just boggles my mind. Really, all it needs is a MASSIVE speed buff (32 kph -> 40 kph and a horsepower buff from 500 hp -> 900 hp). I think it would be better to play that way.
Already have the T-34 Black, and don't even enjoy that tank that much. Too limited being only good at going hull down. . This looks worse. Not worth the gold for me.
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Both these tanks seem balanced. The thing is, balanced tanks now seem like trash because of the OP tanks they have been bringing out recently. Funny that…
Well said sir
Tornvagn definitely not balanced tbh, it's on the poor side.
TL-7 I'll agree with for sure. (Just wish the dispersions were a little better) and for sure it definitely suffers from something like the Cobra T54 existing
It doesn't have to be OP, but it shouldn't be bad.
once the tank is set up - it's a very solid tank - i've got 440 view range; .30 gun accuracy; 2.21 aim and 11.5 reload -i'm running a fully trained crew. what i'm most impressed with is how competitive this tank is against tier 10. the only thing i wish i could change was hull traverse: 22 is HORRIBLE. i'd like it to be at least 28-30. one thing i was surprised at was how hard the gun can hit. it lists 400 a shot but i've been routinely hitting for 420 - 460. i'm very happy with this tank - and at around 7000 gold, it's at a very good price.
The Mobility with the poor view range is what kills this tank (horrible dispersion values aswell)
T32a is on discount 1000g cheaper and is far better at what this tank wants to do
@@Petty360 - my view range is 440 - you think this is "bad" for a heavy??? just curious - what do you consider "good" view range for a heavy? i've played 9 matches with it now. only 3 tier8 matches but i'm putting up good numbers.. good luck with the t32a!
Thanks for the reviews on both new black tanks Petty. I think I’ll hold on to my gold and see what comes about for Christmas.
No problemo!
It's gotten to the point where "balanced" tanks are considered underpowered or pretty much trash now thanks to all of the overpowered premiums now in the game. What a damn shame - it's really gotten this bad, hasn't it? Neither one of these new black tanks are worth it - not in the slightest.
TL-7 is definitely more balanced and not worth because of OP like Cobra T54.
Torn is just poor, poor gun and terrible mobility, also blind as a bat
The turret reminds me of the Concept 1B, which is a pretty good hulldown tank imho. The Concept 1B on the contrary is very mobile for a heavy tank, especially when using Clutch Braking and Off-Road Driving.
122mm overmatch the Concept 1b turret, just something to be aware of when hull down in it
@@oz314 it can at best overmatch a small part of the turret…never happened to me, though. They just did not hit the spot. Edit: I checked the armor model, and could not find a spot on the turret as thin as 40mm. What you are referring to is penetrating the very tiny cheeks besides the mantlet with HEAT. That is possible, but good luck with that on mid-range.
Aye big difference is the Concepts a solid tank this is poo. (Mobility on Concepts Beautiful)
What an absolute shitter it has been today with the return of three artys. I've never been an arty complainer but one per side actually made the game fun to play.
Yep, and they are all focusing the new tanks, probably averaged around 1.3k damage from 4 hours playing my torvnvagn since all arty does is focus you the whole match. And yesterday in my Icebreaker I got a few 5-6k games since there were no arty, funny that.
I agree. The 2-3 arty hasn't been fun for sure
I expect this tank is very good on pc but on console we have the old HE .
The Russian 152s seem to be my issues aswell as the sky clowns.
I like it though as I like to try and use my armour and it dosnt feel op .
Excellent video 👍
Old arty hurts it just as bad aswell.
It's not good on pc, just an annoyance when sat in that one spot (and like you say they can't HE it)
considering prem in CW earn so much, what's the point of running the black tanks? Did they increase earnings?
Standard silver earns, have the biggest XP multipliers at 75% which really helps with crew training and stuff like that
@@Petty360 my bad I forgot Black is Crew training and Red is Silver... I'm getting old!
When you said this tank is basically the newer T34, that's exactly my thoughts. Yeah I think the T34 is better overall but this tank at least has the better hull front. Otherwise this tank isn't really that worth it
The Mobility is what absolutely murders the tank
It makes no sense - a tank for training crews quickly, that has so many drawbacks you need a fully specced crew. I kind of like it, but it needs help and much better alternatives exist including the T34 Black.
Yup exactly.
So the t32 proto has the same turret as the standard t32 now?
Yup and the same hull Armour now too.
@@Petty360 nice. Definitely gonna give it a go. Thanks
Basically both the black tanks are utter crap thanks Wargaming Thanks for nothing
TL7s not utter crap tbh but just not great compared to what's out there.
Torn is a different matter. Lacking in soooo much
TL-7 is very hard to play. Haven't figured out the gameplay.
Its the the stealthy tank destroyer playstyle, playing on the edge and using camo to your advantage, except the gun likes to let you down
Idk why but i really like the tornvagn uts a balanced tank it has goot frontal armour but no side and rear armour the canon is good if you are useing it in close or mid distances i know its not the best tank but i think its a fun tank
I hate how slow it is and how poor the gun can be meself
I think it's better to leave all the arty one shots as a compilation in the video because it's a real issue with the tank people will encounter and seeing is more memorable than just hearing about it.
I could have done but then again most people knows what that looks like unfortunately 😅
Needs a massive buff
Yeah, I'm honestly shocked this tank wasn't buffed when it was ported here to Console. This is considered an absolutely terrible tank on PC, so why it wasn't buffed just boggles my mind. Really, all it needs is a MASSIVE speed buff (32 kph -> 40 kph and a horsepower buff from 500 hp -> 900 hp). I think it would be better to play that way.
Yup this tanku is poooooorr
@@jacobsekela8691 it's probably cuz there weren't thinking
Already have the T-34 Black, and don't even enjoy that tank that much. Too limited being only good at going hull down. . This looks worse. Not worth the gold for me.
Yeh it's not great. T32as on a great discount 1000g cheaper and is far better than this tank
Arty gotta love them ❤️.........not
Yup lol
this years black tanks are tragic. Hard pass on both.
Torn is definitely tragic, TL7 suffers from better tanks out there (especially Cobra T54)
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So its rubbish, plus NO Black tank OP this year
Yup it's poor for sure
Concept 1B reskin but worse.
Way worse
N O.....this tank is TRASH its not the 1B......but the L7 is way better
Yup, really not great
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