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The old man who said " I blasted him "
He definitely got flashbacks. Yea, you can see it from his reaction
Allen almost like he pictured it in his head or he visioned it in front of him
what the hell aye same profile pic
You can see things? Waw
martin longford he did u can tell by the way he paused and looked down i would bet all the money in the world he remembered and visioned it in his head..... its not so hard to realize.
martin longford haha why you mad!
Watching that old man hit me hard.
“There is a body there, but there is nothing at all there”
makes you question about the soul of a human and what happenes in that moment of death.
I was watching the video and read the comments and then I read your comment and the old man said exactly what you wrote that was good timing
DIMITRIOS K same
Ceren *”I killed that boy,” he said slowly, “I killed him”*
Me and my wife just lost our cat a week ago.. the way the older Vietnam vet says there’s a body but nothing there .... was exactly the way I describe seeing our cat once we woke up and seen him in the living room... it changes you in a way nothing else can
My grandfather fought at the Spanish Civil War. One day I asked him if he had ever killed someone. He stared at me with infinite sadness in his eyes and he just said: 'I would prefer dying before fighting another war'. We didn't talk about it any more. I miss him.
It wasn’t about whether they deserved to live, of course they do. They were just conditioned to die.
What side did he fight on?
I understand the sadness your Grandfather had. You can't escape it but you do learn to live with it.
If you meet a combat veteran and don’t know them really well, don’t ask if they’ve killed someone. It’s deeply personal to them and classless of the questioner.
Well they must have signed paperwork to do this. But of course I wouldn't ask about killing to a vet. The fear and images must come flooding back. RIP to those who fought for their country and died on killing fields.
That’s the point of this video, they knew what they were signing up for. Its not like they were just interviewing random veterans.
I’m not talking about the people in this video but giving advice to people who might meet veterans out in the world.
I’ve never asked my papaw and I know he is messed up from it I’ve talked abt nam with him but never about death
@@Ash-wi7vn My Papa, God rest him, fought in WW1, lost part of his hand and was left with permanent shrapnel in his leg when he took a grenade from another young man who had pulled the pin and froze in panic. He very nearly died in an African field hospital, his Purple Heart was stolen by someone on the ship home, and when he finally made it they stuck him on a train to travel the country to help sell war bonds as a hero. Fascinating stuff but he would never, ever tell a war story. He refused to replace his stolen medals, and wouldn't allow his preserved uniform to be displayed. He was a carpenter and the kindest, most gentle man I have ever known and I think that the trauma was so deep he couldn't allow it to surface. Even in his late 80s all he would say is "War is proof that the only hell is here on earth." I wish I could have known more about that chapter of his life but I understand why he couldn't speak about it.
“war is young men dying and old men talking” - FDR
Cristian Sánchez Old men talking about things that could affect millions of people.
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
-Plato
It’s an older proverb and not owned by FDR but nonetheless an honorable figure to use for the quote 👍🏻
I thought it was a quote from Odysseus in Troy
Cristian Sánchez this is a quote that would pop up on Call of Duty when you die In campaign
" I don't give a fuck who he was I was trying to keep me alive" that's real shit
Human nature Kill or Get kill
And you think competition, "competition" in its most generic definition, is something humans created? I would absolutely embrace a reality in which people, when left to their own devices, played along well with everyone else. But, that's naivete. All of human interaction, from the interpersonal to the macroscopic, runs the spectrum of competition... what I want from you; what you want from me; what an ideology demands of me or others; how ideologies conflict; the fact that everything in this world is finite, and thus has a value defined by its desirability and ease of access.
There are no heroes; there are no villains... there are just people doing what people do. Little ants milling around in the sun. And, at the end of the day, if you are not willing to sacrifice to protect the things you enjoy or care about, someone else will sacrifice to take that away from you.
kill or be killed*
At the end of the day, one country has to be the greatest. Period. Why the fuck shouldn't it be ours?
I think what you should have taken from this video is that we're all human beings and we do what we have to do to stay alive, we all have loved ones who will miss us when we're gone. It's not about labelling one country as better than another. We are all human, treat everyone as such unless they stain that title with injustice. People all around the world have fought and died for the sake of power and imperialism, we should only fight when we have to, not out of the arrogance in thinking that your country is the 'greatest'.
My older brother was in Vietnam. The last time we saw him, the real him, was when he left on that bus.
He was never the same when he returned home.
Nightmares, bouts of anger, depression, his life was a living hell. We lost him 2 yrs ago from cancer.
Your finally at peace my brother.
You deserve precious peace. Love you and miss you every day. ❤️
If it makes you feel better he is in the good place. I promise
I'm really sorry about your brother... May he rest in peace.
May your brother rest in peace 🙏🏾
Rest in peace ❤
May your brother R.I.P 🙏
The old man with the glasses touched my heart. “They’re not people they’re just targets”. These are the humans our government brings home and asks to work in fast food restaurants etc.. imagine killing men and being trained to see humans as targets then coming home to be talked down to by some Burger King manager.
Very few go into fast food. Majority of us have good paying jobs. Learn before you comment.
@@mikemitchell6455 Yea many of u also end up on the fucking streets
@@plzitzjustmahcheezits909 true. But the army has a lot of support programs for us. I have respect for that. It shows they care.
We all praise our military and say soldiers are fighting for our freedom. And we praise dumb kids for joining. The amount of innocent civilians killed is ridiculous and not worth it. Being an aggressor in a foreign land is not always defending our homeland. Ignorance is not an excuse. Soldiers ARE responsible for their actions. You should feel bad. War sucks. WAKE UP people!!!
@@zachstarcher3940 🙄🙄🙄 ugh for people like you is why men are such petals today
“Only the dead have seen the end of war.”
― Plato
Not black widow
Wars are not meant to end, they are meant to be continuous.
-George Orwell
Facts
@@louis-on5vj yup while smokin a joint
Bob Marley : yeap
The old guy with glasses isn’t just retelling the story, he’s re-living it.
at the same time he is talking, he was feeling everything a that moment hoy can see on his eyes the expresión on the face
You mean Jeremy Corbyn
damn true man
I think he would be the best player in COD MW
It's really heartbreaking, he seemed ravaged by those memories
"What death looks like is nothing." Lonnie nailed it. I've got 3 deployments to Afghanistan as an infantryman. It's weird because we normally don't talk about this ever. Seeing these guys share this stuff is intense.
Lonnie is the guy telling us the man to man truth like he’s just chilling at home there is no cameras just you a 30 rack of miller and Lonnie explaining death ☠️
Thank you for your service
I cried. Tears rolled down. I can't say I can start to imagine what he went through, but my heart goes out to him.
I think that if vets talked to other vets, it could help with a lot of the PTSD.
@@somewhrntm i think it would comfort them a bit knowing they're not alone
"Thinking of peace whilst spilling blood is something only humans can do"- Madara Uchiha
Fax
Are seriously comparing human suffering and complex situations with an anime that can't even be coherent ?
@@benjaminverdier3122 stfu
@@potatopoison1130 imagine writing a comment about how violent humanity is and answering mine with rudeness
@@benjaminverdier3122 you're right but my comment was an observation on war
“They’re not real people, they’re just targets”
Damn
Ya in Vietnam they tell you to say that to yourself so you wont think about it
me in cod
aceflo You're pathetic.
@@twixter0 fuck off if you're comparing a damn video game with real life and human flesh people you're a sick bastard.
@@RexTheDinosaur1 you need to chill tf out stop being trigger
"I blasted'em...Silhouettes, not real people, just targets"
My god, that was deep man
2:54 I feel he has to tell that to himself or else he'll go crazy
@@lei23to79 boi i know you own one of those shitty poetic justice shirts
@@cooperbrain yep best free/stolen item of my life
@@lei23to79 i know you ain't stealing shit boi
@@cooperbrain no siree
The silence before lonnie said “I blasted him…” and the face was just dead empty and it gave me goosebumps
I felt the same I really want to contribute make a change help the young veterans. wdyt?
I said damn Lonnie you gangster sorry 🙇🏽♂️😂
The way Lonnie describes the scene, convincing himself that it was definitely the enemy, reliving that faithful moment, stopping for a few seconds...it just makes me cry. The way he looks. Something in him died that day.
I wonder if he’s contemplating friendly fire or if he feels that they weren’t an enemy but more or less people defending what they believe ya know
@@FL00P Oh
Yeahh, you can see that he really wants to believe it was the right thing to do, so he keeps telling ''us'' but its actually him telling himself that its okay and that they were just targets.. its sad, I see him just as a human being with so much to carry.
I always imagined how many soldiers had PTSD in medival times when you had to kill everyone with a sword ...
I always think of this too.
I think at the time it was so normal and wars goes for decades or even hundreds of years that they got used to it like slaughtering an animal.
PTSD is also linked to the lack of community and help at home. So the medevil knights probably had a strong community
124madcow that sounds about right. It was also celebrated back then.
@@Beats4needs yeah whether you were killed or killed someone it is seen as an honorable thing for what ever reason they have.
@@loneencom2087 also a different mindset. A lot of these knights trained from birth and were doing it for God. A lot of this is mindset. A lot of Vietnam guys had PTSD cause there was a draft and weren't cut out for it while you see guys in modern wars who are literally mentally built for war.
The younger one was only calm because he knew what he had enlisted for. That old gentleman with the glasses was most likely drafted, therefore he had no clue what he was going to see.
And even the younger one seemed distressed. War's a hell of a thing.
@@umcaraqualquer3640 He seemed totally distressed and plus he hasn’t had the long years to digest it like the older gentleman
Lonnie fought in Nam which was way fucking worse than conflicts in the Middle East. 60 000 American lives were lost
As someone who has actual experience in this I would say being a part of ending other people's lives through direct actions in war hits people differently and you can never fully be prepared for the psychological impact it will have on you regardless of if you signed up for it or were drafted. Some people are minimally effected by it while others will be troubled by it for the rest of their lives and every shade in-between those two points exist. I thought that I knew what to expect and thought I was fully prepared to emotionally resolve any feelings I would have however events did not play out as predicted. It also was not something that just sprang up out of nowhere as I had trained for years prior to even joining as I had chosen to pursue the special operations side of the house so I thought that I was a very mentally tough individual who could handle anything life threw at me.
There are many ways to rationalize ones actions but you do not truly know how you will respond to something until you are experiencing it for the first time. There is no true 1 to 1 preparation for war.
Jude, how do you know that he "most likely was drafted'?
“I didn’t give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive” this man Is A True Marine
I laughed Soo hard
It's easy to tell yourself "ya that guy didn't have feelings or a family or the potential to have a family in the future" but you know it's wrong. I quite frankly don't see the difference between killing your fellow man who believes differently than you and killing your child for their unique beliefs
@@gamerrodz I didn't understand ? But I think you mean killing in the name of religion because we, former Muslims, here are constantly threatened with death
No. He was an innocent victim drafted into a war and forced to defend himself.
2:45 that's powerful look how he pauses recalling it all back. His eyes tell the entire story
Those are the eyes of someone who went through too much
That's a real Vietnam flashback
Faking it
yeah dont u think we should support them? for what they've done for us
1,000 yard stare in his eyes.
When the old man said "They're not real people, they're just targets.." it sounded like it wasn't really part of what he told us, but more so something he just tells himself to be able to cope with having shot and killed someone.
CMFT93 thought the same thing.
Sounded like he was quoting someone else--the way his voice sort of changed at that moment.
Of course he knows they are real people. It's a metaphor. What he probably wants to say is that he acted like they were just targets. He had to shoot.
CMFT93 in boot camp we shoot silhouette targets, and other people I have asked who had been deployed into war zones said that when they see the enemy, they look like the silhouette targets we trained on. So in a sense, yeah it dehumanizes the enemy to where you see a target, not a person with hopes and dreams.
I mean soldiers are taught to dehumanize the enemy. Easier to kill
The really old guy has some clear PTSD
What makes you say that? Because he is contemplating what has happened and what it implies and he doesn't have a clear answer? From my point of view he isn't 'sick'. He is trying to figure out a really big question. Not having an answer or, even better, not being conceited and thinking to know the answer is a sign of wisdom I'd say.
@@StuhlEntertainmentWhat I've learned about PTSD through my own, and friends counselling is that it's usually brought on by encountering someone malevolent. Even if that person is yourself. Looking back, you look at things you've done and think, "I can't believe I did that." It's like watching someone else do bad things, then realizing it's you, and at the time, those things didn't seem wrong at all.
StuhlEntertainment having ptsd doesn’t make you sick
Gigi Smith ok
StuhlEntertainment you sure?? @6:05
Listen man, that guy with the glasses is battling heavy demons. I can tell he’s a hard man, but I also know why. When he said it was him against whoever, he was just fighting to live, I felt that one. Hope he finds peace.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him"
~Gilbert K. Chesterton
That's not right. G. K. Chesterton was talking about ww1. Apart from perhaps the iraqi man, none of these people were fighting in defence of their country.
@@meredith5879 not even the iraqi war
@@mogu8026 you're right, my mistake.
@@meredith5879 heard of 9/11
@@rithvikmuthyalapati9754 bush did that
""I didn't give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive"
To me, the part where he then couldn't find the words and just said, "This is hard!" was even more telling. I would like to sit down and really talk to him about life.
Lipgrip Fishing fucking love that old vet
Lipgrip Fishing I was ready your comment just as he started saying it LOL
Ron Criswell same
Actually he wasnt.He was in Vietnam,he was protecting south vietnam from the north. He was in another country protecting it from invaders because that country was our Allie and they asked for help. On top of that theres a good chance he was drafted.
A veteran came to my school and one of the younger kids asked him, "Did you kill someone?" And he said, "Yes and I wished the bullet missed." Then he started crying
Pøppy Is A Fall Øut Piløt At The Chemical Disco Ah we had a bomber navigator back in Elementary school and most kids asked him “How many people did you kill?”
That's sad.
@Dewy this isn't a game not teammate it's allies.
Young kids ask really insensitive questions to veterans a Vietnam vet came to our school on Veteran's day and he was crying about a friend whose brains got blown out right next to him and some kid asked what gun was used. Fuckin morons
Do You See It they’re not morons they’re children. you’re between 4-10 in elementary school they don’t have a grasp on those kinds of concepts. They don’t know any better.
just something for other people to know is that PTSD is not only for soldiers. civilians of that invaded country live it too. I am an Iraqi and I was diagnosed with PTSD as well. an example of that would be when I see a humvee or a chopper even if it was a civilian chopper I freak out and start panicking and get an instant flashback even though that was 19 years ago. I don't wish war on any country. politicians should get in an arena and fight their fight.
I wanna ask politicians if they love war so much why don't you send your own child to war?
"If it means taking their life, fuck em. They've chosen their path" that hit hard.
The guy which looks like he is literally seeing his memories is really interesting to listen too
Kieran He is seeing his memories.
Kieran I believe he is suffering from ptsd
Tomthechelseaboy Nguyen oh ye, I guessed that. never seen it portrayed liked that. the way he seems almost calm and looks like he is watching a disturbing movie while commenting on it.
Kieran Which one?
Kieran which one? lonnie?
“It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. You take away everything he's got and everything he's ever gonna have.”
Great movie
Deserve has got nothing to do with it
Amazing quote from an amazing movie.
“They’re not real people, they’re just targets”
@Death The Kid "Unforgiven", Directed and Produced by Clint Eastwood. He also stars in it alongside Gene Hackman and Richard Harris, one of perhaps the greatest films ever made imo. its an Anti-Western that shows you there really wasn't any glory in the old west and that killing isnt all its cracked up to be.
"sillhouettes. they aren't real people, they're just targets" goddamn man. what an unfair war.
all wars are unfair, they ruin the lives of Thousands of people, People who had a life before the war, I am not talking about the dead, I am talking about the people who survived and saw their village or city destroyed, their families dead and the people they knew
That’s hard
The old man with the glasses broke my heart. I wish I could take some of that pain from him so he can live peacefully. He’s earned it
When the old man said: “ I blasted ‘em Silhouettes, they’re not real people they’re just targets “ that gave my chills
But your thanos. You blasted way more silhouettes
This dude killed half the universe
I’m your 1000th like my guy😭😭
that's what they teach soldiers, mechanically operate without thinking... corruption at it hardest
He doesn't even mean it, hes still coping.
The old guy, hes still not over the fact that he killed someone...
And I'm not too. I experienced war too and I blame myself for even joining the military.
Whats ur point man ? Killing is the biggest sin u can commit man .... do u think god rates ur killing as good ? Everyone who kills has to think about the life he took because he took something that belongs to god and we have no right to do so .... man
@@prophetdenis8413 I mean thats just speculation because is killing really a sin? Killing is a part of this world and always has been since the beginning of everything!
@@amiralcookie3221 yeah my father (veteran of Yugoslavian „fall apart“) after 25 years is still waking up wet dreaming of things he has seen and done...
@Eric Jungmann so u say ur teacher also stops u from giving the wrong aswers in a exam ?
What i want to say is ... see life as a big test to show yourself worthy of paradise ...
Edit: im not christian or muslim or anything i simply believe in the "big test" our creator made us for
I have some mad respect for all of these people, but especially lonnie. Lonnie was clearly having a very hard time. It’s brave of all of these men to not only serve, but also tell, and relive their stories all over again.
That look at 2:50 is HARROWING. I can’t even imagine how it felt in the moments and how it felt to relive that
Dude they all having flashbacks
Bruh they we're scared of the tree
THEYRE IN THE TREES
Vietnamese sounds: javahajwgdjbgbegbdgbsgbsgbegbdg fhthfafbf
All for our entertainment
no shit
I recently read a bumper sticker that sums it up best: "I support the troops, not the ones who send them."
You support their actions because they are the ones who send the troops.
Percy Blakeney that's like supporting ISIS soldiers but not their leaders.
D R but not every soldier has the mentality of an ISIS pig.
realtrickster _ I would assume not every Daesh scum feels the same way. Maybe some US soldiers killed his entire family or village and he is out for revenge. At that point he doesn't care who he works for to get his revenge even if in his previous lifetime he wouldn't hurt a fly
D R
Not at all
i remember taking a trip to DC with my dad. one of the biggest things that stood out to me was when we went to the vietnam memorial and i saw what was a veteran, wide-eyed not staring at anything in particular and seemingly lost in thought. i can't even begin to imagine the things he saw over there
That is heart breaking
Yup, the thousand yard stare.
Great interview
As a child, who grew up in a war, and saw death of the early age to changes you.
In a war, nobody really wins, because both sides think they’re fighting for a righteous purpose.
Because people are brainwashed from childhood first by parents, and then by various institutions
I'm sorry for what you've experienced war never solves anything do leaders really think that all of those lifes lost civilians soilders is worth it for a small piece of land?
"They're not real people, they're just targets." Sad to witness this old man's mind having flashbacks and remembering the exact words his superior told him at the time.
Yup
1:15 Dan looks like Count Dooku
Mozambique sucks very random
Zack 50fiftyfree I watch a very wide variety of stuff on RUclips I am just very interested in war and history
Mozambique sucks yeah that’s cool it was just a random comment
“There’s a body there, but there’s nothing at all there”. That gave me chills
Steele man, huge fan
Yeah its cold.
That dude was deep the entire time
Thx stalin
La salam comrade
My grandpa served in Vietnam at 18 years old. When I was little I stupidly asked him how many people he killed. He ended up with 13. His only other response was “it was us or them.”
Thats the first time I saw someone having flashbacks. Complete respect for these soldiers.
Lonnie, the Vietnam Vet with glasses, sounds like he’s still trying to convince himself that silhouettes aren’t people
Carson's avatar ! From the moments of his Minecraft race when he got baited into that obvious trap ! ahahaha
@@Feezwa not the right time my guy not the right time
@@Feezwa what the actual fuck bro
@@Feezwa what the fuck man
It’s either that or a cynical remark on training. When he brought his hand up to his shoulder and said silhouette, it reminded me of the target that is the head and shoulders. My first thought was dark humor about training and real life applications.
Silhouettes, they're not real people, they're just targets.
That absolutely broke me heart
Ya man. Dude was there in the storm . Powerful video
He was so broken when he said that. Like he was trying to convince himself and not the viewers or camera man
That's what training does, it's kill or be killed especially back in vietnam
You dont understand how war works?
Carlie Byrom oh for fucks sake you pussy
When the old man looks down as if the bodies were there you realize that he is reliving the moment very vividly, there is no doubt that those things are so strong that they never leave your life, it must be very hard for many to learn to live with it, in his case you realize that even after so many years it is something that does not finish processing at all. My deep respect for them, not only must they fight and survive the war, but also another kind of war awaits them when they return home, perhaps even harder than the one they lived in service.
Im sure he also throwed a rock at the body just like he did in the video, just to see if he iwas really dead. he was.
“Have you ever killed anyone”
“What time..”
This man has been through a lot
Hey buddy, It really is not my fault that i am ugly to most;) ;) and that many girls,mostly Bosniak girls hurt my feelings by telling me how ugly i am,you know very well what was done to them in the Aggression on Bosnia.......btw(Kosovo Is Not Serbia ) ✌️
I love how everyone in this comment section has a degree in philosophy and psychology.
They're acting like 80% of redditors
Double A Food Reveiw 😂
@@BlaiyND lmao
Reddit gonna Reddit
Bruh😂
Poor old man, he would be a totally different person if that didn’t happen
.
Oh well
potato shut the fuck up. It’s kill or be killed.
@@ImSoDapp3r heh
potato Keep your ignorant comments to yourself. They didn’t have a choice then, they got drafted and sent to war
“I didnt give a fuck who he was, I was trying to keep me alive”
I know this is supposed to be like an insightful look inside of the minds of soldiers and what killing is like, but i had a laugh from that
Naw bruh that’s just Lonnie keeping it a real as humanly possible 😂😂😂
I went to a baseball game a couple years ago, it was a great game. I looked towards the people in the rows in front of me, and I saw Lonnie. I had seen this video countless times before, and I recognized him immediately. He was with his wife, or another woman his age, Smiling and having a great time. I couldn’t bring myself to ask him his actual identity to confirm if it was actually him or not, and I’m glad I didn’t. Lonnie, you’re a great man. Even if that wasn’t you, I’m glad I have an image of you having fun with someone you care about in my head.
"In peace sons bury their fathers, but in war..fathers bury their sons"
Hacksaw Ridge
As a greek I think that Plutarchos said that,am I right?
Will Andaya because there is no need for old people to fight a war. They are physically weak
Dionak Gamer no shit. He is not saying that. He is saying a quote
Isnt that soviet russia
You can see the Nam vet completely relive the moment again.
the way he freezes when remembering, thats PTSD but yeah cool story too hear.
Fredrick Holman Nam was the worst War
Nah, WW1 and WW2 were worse.
Costin Pitulice Eh They all was bad tbh
Battling in WW2 would’ve been much scarier and intense especially D-day and knowing the army you’re facing is equal in power to you
Lonnie was a pure soul who wanted to live a full life. He also wanted to achieve that path peacefully. Sometimes the bullshit gets in the way and your number is called and sometimes you pick that number.
My great uncle was in the Canadian forces. He turned 17 in the frontlines in Italy. He fought until the war ended in 1945. After he came home, he wasn't able to readjust back to society well.
He had anger issues and was an alcoholic. When the Korean War started, he enlisted and became a sniper in the Canadian special forces. He went for 2 tours to Korea. He came back and lived his life a hermit pretty much.
He would never talk much about it, my papa says. However, he's told him very few things. He said once that in war, no one is the good guy. He's watched war crimes from both sides. He's watched allied soldiers run over kids in vehicles and attack women.
He said basically what these guys are saying. Basically, it's you or them. He also always said that after he became a sniper, it was a completely different feeling when you killed someone who didn't even know or had no chance to fight back.
He's never liked anything he's done or seen. Which is why I think he drank himself to death. I still will always love and respect him, though, for going through what he did.
At 2:45 he looked like he was having a flashback and had to tell himself, not us, that the silhouettes were just targets.
PTSD
HiHowAreYou
I’m glad you have a degree in psychology
weird little shrimp Yeah, it seemed like he was dissociating
@3kDre he is right, these retards are trying too hard to sound smart
@@stralebruklin its not your problem you wont get anything from minding other peoples business
"i didn't feel any personal guilt, but I felt sorry for him"...
Never feel pity for the enemy Who is trying to kill you and your way of life
@@stec1808 but in reality they were sent there just like the guy on the other side, both sides have soldiers that are sent when the guys at the top disagree, I guess it alright to feel pity,bc they were sent there just like the other person
@@bruhmf8 if you are sent to kill me and defeat my country, expect no mercy or pity.
Steve Slothenstein you know that all these soldoers where sent *there* and not to *your* country?
I don‘t really want to argue about that, war is a lose lose situation for every soldier and their families involved
@@NKABoX yh i don't agree with war unless it's necessary to defend your country or way of life but if the time comes then no mercy or pity should be shown.
My dad was a Vietnam Marine and watching Lonnie talk left me in tears because it was like seeing glimpses of my dad when he was sick and began opening up about his war time.
Lonnie, I hope wherever you are you've found peace within yourself.
That was deep. Silhouettes..... I'm kinda glad I watched this as I've always wondered but would never dare ask a veteran. None of the WW2 veterans I knew growing up wanted to discuss the war at all - and now they're gone.
My grandfather is korean war veteran.
When I was little kid, I asked him
"Did you kill somebody at war?"
He answered
"Yeah...Yes I did. To survive.... and I survived."
His pupils had lost focus while he answered.
Additionally, my grandfather received a call from the Ministry of National Defense a week ago and was awarded the Hwarang Order of Military Merit. It is the 4th highest medal of military service. (2020.09.07)
damn
He relived the moment when you asked him.
I'm Greek and my grandfather is korean war veteran. He is 89 years old now, was 21 at the time he went to Korea. I'm 18 right now and I love hearing stories from that time. But I dont wanna ask him if he killed someone. If he killed someone I dont want to bring him that memory up.
That's called the thousand-yard stare.
손석현 My grandfather also served in Korea as well as WW2 and Vietnam. In Korea he was with the 24th infantry, the first group of soldiers to reach Korea and engage in combat. I always knew he had killed people because he never ever talked about war. He did an interview about his time in the army and when he was talking about Korea he got kind of quiet and only said “there was a lot of combat type stuff”
i appreciate there not being any background music while they discuss something that has made such a huge impact on their lives, it kept the sentiment of respect.
Well said well said true as hell respect.. got my mine
Didn't expected to find a Brazilian here
Esse vídeo é bem tocante mesmo, me faz pensar sobre muita coisa, alem desses fatos e marcas que ficam pra sempre na gente, todos os traumas tanto físicos e psicológicos veja sobre Shell shock deve ter sido duríssimo ter pego essa época
paloma t k
They did, however, choose to put the video in black and white.
@@driftingthroughthisplace5898 Yeah extremely disrespectful, am I right?
the guy with the glasses just relived that time. he felt the moment again when he retold the story. hope hes okay alive and well🖐💪
The older Vietnam Vet with the glasses, when telling the story, paused for a long time and had a million mile stare. I've seen that same reaction from others that have been in his situation. Taking a life in war never leaves you.
“ Have you ever killed anyone? If so, what happened?”
“Which time?”
I...
Valeriya have you killed someone before
The elder man with glasses is the one with the hugest impact. You can tell he is trying to justify and logically tell himself, not anyone else, that it was ok because he is trying to keep his sanity. As another veteran with PTSD, I find myself saying the same things to my own mind, but I'm still not sure if my heart believes what my mind is saying. My heart goes out to all of you and to our other men and women in the service. Thank you for your sacrifices and service.
Thanks to each one of these men for their service and sacrifices.
Why did RUclips take 2 years to put this in my recommendations over 1000MPH FIDGET spinner videos.
Well Que They go that fast?!? I've gotta see this......
Well Que same here wtf. this is honest and scarry and all in all an extreemly good vid
AMEN!!!
with that speed the fidget spinner can kill someone or maybe a war will soon use them as weapons hahahhahahahahhahahhahaa
Well Que I swear to God! I only found this today.
The young sniper seemed to be the only one not regretting anything
it will haunt him in his latter years.
I heard that when you’re alone and just lost in your thoughts, it will haunt you
Because its his job and he knows it
@IDGAF TWisY he’s obligated to murder people?
@@ramiere1412 yes he's a sniper, snipers kill people if u go in a war and don't expect to kill people your not on this planet
" I prefer peace. But if trouble must come then let it come in my lifetime so that my children may know peace ". This quote tears me up considering every generation has been through this trouble..
This made me think… my grandfather is a Vietnam Vet and he would tell me stories without telling me too much and I would wonder… the lasting effect. He would always say it’s either “me or him.. and it damn sure wasn’t going to be me…” and that resonated with me because in that situation you wouldn’t feel the emotion of it until after it was done.. I would think because the whole point is to make it home…and listening these men speak about their experiences is just surreal. I’m not in the military and my grandfather made it sure none of his family went into the service because of that reason. Anyone surviving or who did survive I commend you and I thank you for doing what you do. 🖤
You can tell Lonnie was affected by the war. I respect all of these guys so much
Joey Lats Everybody is..
+Joey Lats
There are several interviews with over 8000 german and other axis war veterans, they sadly don't exist in english, because they interviewed everyone on the axis side, from the Waffen-SS soldier to the WWI veteran who was a General in WW2, to german women talking in detail about being raped by soviet soldiers, having their kids die etc.
And also someone who was drafted at the age of 17 into the Waffen-SS (not to be confused with the Allgemeine SS who were also soldiers but very very political). That 17 year old like many was drafted, grew up as a teenager in the 3rd Reich and then fought at Normandy with the 12th SS-Division Hitlerjugend (which, eventhough they were almost all 17-18 years old) were so good against the Allies that most US and British vets i talked to told me or wrote in their books that they made fun of them and called them "crack babies". One american vet told me "We laughed about those kids, this changed immediately when we had to fight them because these kids didn't fear death and were far better than our 20 year olds."
I hope someone takes the time to take all of these archived interviews reaching from 1980-2017 (and still adding more) to add english subtitles because they're very interesting but also often heartbreaking as these vets but also the women don't mind crying during the interviews or show other emotions.
Having grown up with family who reached from Waffen-SS soldiers to Luftwaffe pilots i of course also spent a lot of time listening to them and also interviewing them. The Waffen-SS grandfather is still alive and healthy luckily and i still talk to him and ask questions when i help him in his garden.
I hope non-german speakers can watch all of these interviews someday, interesting for anyone i think
Pickle Rick! y do all u americans say that freedom freedom freedom ur not the only free country and they didnt do it for my freedom take a step back an actually see what the reason where for each an every war americas been in an none of them have to do with freedom
To those who upvoted my post. Me and someone else with a big youtube channel on axis history are now working together to present you the 8000+ interviews i mentioned in my previous post with english subtitles. We just started working on translating them. I will update in this comment section when the first one has been uploaded
No Name Jane
Why don't you go play Nintendo kid. This is a video for grownups.
A stoic man from the military talks about the first time he killed someone for a video and people say this man doesn't deserve to live because he processes emotions differently than what they deem necessary? What the fuck?
I know it's sad. But what else can you expect from the moral abyss known as the internet?
I agree. Would we have done any different in his situation? Why do we expect this guy to be perfectly eloquent and passionate about a horrible experience?
You would prefer self-censorship because...?
I think it speaks volumes about modern miltiary culture, or maybe just aggressive foreign policy, how that man recollects his experience with killing, and the response in the comment section is more or less justified, regardless of hyperbole.
Bob Newhart Why liberals?
Mr. German Its not us liberals. I have had a lot of family in the army and airforce. Its those pr8vlaged assholes born with a silver spoon up their ass. I wanna punch those aholes in the face.
I would watch an entire interview with Lonnie, the way he talks he's just so genuine and direct and the way he paused he wasn't there in the studio anymore he was back in Vietnam I would just really like to hear more about his time and his life.
Seeing and hearing Lonnie talk about everything is truly heartbreaking. Poor guy.
☹️🥺
I hate the way this is edited, can we hear one story at at a time instead of mixing all stories together!
Thanks you :) i want to hear the full story
I know right
This editing way is called "Cross-cutting", it is used to raise up the tension. Maybe they wanted to make it more similar to a movie than a documentary.
jtridexter they have full interviews with these veterans on the channel
@@nedlero8549 but it didn't worked at all, that's just poor confusing editing
This video should be seen by every high school student.
This isn't going to stop them from joining but rather deeply reflect on the situation. Kudos to them if they decide to join, I'll give them even more respect.
Why? I'm still joining the Marines. I'm 19 and I'll be up there to protect my friends and family.
Titan. God-country-family, never give up.
Titan I don't understand why people want to kill for their politics
deniz daniel Its not for politics. It's for our friends and our families. Most veterans will say they did it for the man next to them.
Anytime someone asked me if i killed anyone i usually went home, packed my bags and moved somewhere else. When i got married and had my son, i could not just pack up and run anymore so i reinvented myself as a happy go lucky guy. By 2009 i had got as close to the bottom as you can get and not get swallowed by the blackness. I have learned to deal with my nightmares in a non-destructive way. But it is not an easy path to walk on and i guess that is the way it will be until i am gone
Bless these men and I hope someday they can cope with their emotional scars. Bless our Veterans
"When is it OK to kill somebody?"
"Do you want to go home and see your family?"
His retort to the interviewer sent chills to my spine. It gave me a panic attack and im crying for some reason. Like, it felt like my life was being threatened
Thats ultimately what it boils down to, do you want to see your loved ones more than the guy across from you?
@@istasha885 That's because you experienced what I have heard described as "killing intent", "conviction of will", and "grit". That is what a warrior looks like. Someone who tells it like it is and who has been in situations where he has to fight for his life. He broke it down to the simplest level. "Do you want to see your family again?" Is a simple question. If you want to see your loved ones again you would be surprised what a person is capable of doing. War isn't about winning, it's about survival second and preventing the enemy from coming home first.
When trump say its right...fuck the us
@@Realkeepa its not just America most countries have soldiers within the afghan Iraq areas. The Middle East is war torn from soemthing that happened back in world war I and then II not to mention oil and profit and fear
2:48 - 2:54
We just witnessed a man have a war flashback. Six seconds of pure, frozen silence.
"They're not real people, they're just targets." We saw a man believe he was back in the war; talking to himself.
I dont know why but when I hear that I remenber of people memes about Vietnam war flashbacks and I realise that not really funny
Lol here we go another Internet mental health specialist
@@jordanleigh6481
Lol here we go another Internet tough guy
@@N-GinAndTonicTM lol mental health is the biggest joke. 60 years ago suicide was way below half what it was in 2019. Since everyone have Bene talking about mental health over the last 20 years people have Been killing the selfs at a rate far higher then ever lol you people are making it worse not better by talking ab3it
@@jordanleigh6481
I'm on the autistic spectrum, I know exactly what mental health is about.
When I was younger. I tended to agree with josh more and thought his story was more interesting, but now when I come back to this video almost 6 years later. I think Lonnie has a very powerful and moving story.
Thank you to all these men, especially the Vietnam vets, they saw absolute horrors in their rawest and most organized form...
Lonnie is not okay. Poor guy is seriously contemplating his past actions. Be safe Lonnie, you did what you thought you were supposed to do.
Not supposed to
Forced to
@@Dctctx It's called orders.
@@dmitrit.4862 that’s what I said
@@dmitrit.4862 When someone is forced to go to war, and refusing to would get them sent to federal prison, they are forced to do everything. When someone enlists and understands what they're signing up for, it's orders because you are willingly signing that you'll follow all orders for X amount of years.
Compare Lonnie and the other Vietnam vet. One appears much older. I'd assume the younger one went towards the end of the war whether enlisted or drafted. And I'd bet all my money that Lonnie was pulled in one of the first lotteries, back when people barely knew about the hell going on over there.
@@Cris-em9tn Being drafted is definitely different compared to enlisting. And I understand that those who were thrown into a war see orders like "being forced" to do things and in some way, it actually it is that way. But orders are orders and someone has to do the job, no matter how ugly it gets. My grandpa, for example, fought in the Red Army in Russia and later even in Berlin. He was forced to fight because there was no other way. He was a machine gunner. He couldn't really talk about it, all I know is that he killed a lot of german soldiers back then. War is hell, there's no doubt about it, that's why I have the upmost respect for any veteran, even for the german ones my grandfather fought back in WW2.
this is like the #1 one thing u never ask somone who served
darthrib 12 exactly
They knew what they were being asked fuck head
I'm assuming that these men had agreed to be interviewed about the topic before hand.
Probably the only thing anyone ever wants to know haha
Andrew Shepherd there's never "good people" or "bad people"
Bc it's never so black and white
"I didn't give a fuck who he was i was trying to stay alive" thats real shit
"Do you want to get home and see your family?"
That hit me hard
I Do Not Hate America,Just The Evil Government (THAT RUINED MY LIFE )(Targeted Me) and made ME look bad ......And ALL Those Who Hurt My Muslim Brothers And Sisters(Btw American Girls Are Fine) (mmmmm). But, I Want To Ask,How Would Serbs And Americans Feel,If We Muslims Did To American And Serbian Girls,(Stretch Them Out) As They Did To Ours? OUR WOMEN AND YOUNG GIRLS WERE RAPED IN THE MOST BRUTAL WAYS IN BOSNIA And We Suffered The Arms Embargo On Bosnia Also( Injustice)......Also the Srebrenica GENOCIDE will be talked about always.I want some kind of justice for me and all Muslim victims and well any victim of any injustice. I love the girls to much and i wish i can have one...........also Kosovo Is Not Serbia(Shows Peace Sign) Many girls would tell me how ugly i am (even that is not my fault) i love them
Their mindset is interesting.
+VougeIdea agreed.
+VougeIdea Most of them suffer from what they've seen and done and many go to therapists
+soso117 That is true, It's sad that many will never stop suffering BUT the glamorisation of war needs to stop
+VougeIdea you go girrrlllll
Nikita when your in war, and you and your friends are constantly in the threat of death, your going to kill to ensure their safety. They kill because if they don't, they'll have to see their friend die, their best friend maybe. War sucks
why did youtube recommended me this when everyone is talking about wwlll
The answer is in your question itself
Lada Zendlová you know why 👀
You answered yourself 🤷♂️
Lada Zendlová they preparing us
Same
I’m reading this this as a 78-year-old Vietnam veteran and every time I see a comment about the “old man”, Lonnie I wince!
They're all suffering and will continue to suffer from those moments. No matter how hard they try to convince themselves that it was the right thing to do, or that it was justified in the circumstances, their conscience remains stuck in that day. War changes you the moment you're thrown into battle. You can never be the same, and you won't be better because of it.
That’s a bold claim.
5:50 to the jump of 5:57 was not expected
Yaboi Beeler 😂😂
Different ways to cope
I didn’t notice that transition😂
That was so funny 😂💀
😂😂
No joke at 2:50 he seriously had a Vietnam flashback
if one of the producers touched then he could of hurt them why he was having a episode
thousand yard stare
digital1911 ii
.........I blasted him........
Anocks that's what I thought
My prayers are with those guys. We can't imagine what they've been though. God bless them all. They tried to do the right thing.
Im gonna save this video and i will watch it before im about to do something stressful. This interview is so raw and fresh. It gives me hope because its a crazy idea that people like this suffering with problems like these! Its so dark.❤
my grandfather was in vietnam 69-74 . the only thing i remembered him talking about his story was "it was wrong, my recruiters and Sgts lied to me. Every single second i was there was wrong".
geovanie flores
He realized this TRUTH far too late.
Anyone in a similar situation today MUST RESIST. Conscientiously object to killing for the corrupt to the core control of our state.
"What if they held a war and no one showed up?" Be the real man who never shows up.
@ffec+ are you even serious. They COULDN'T RESIST. And neither can you resist if a war breaks out today and you are drafted for the army.
Silvantly de bruin tbh you are a human, if war broke out and we all were drafted, you don't have to go, you are your own person, you can be a fugitive if you felt like it.
Good thing that Selected Services will only go into effect if war is on US soil.
Just got a letter for that since I turned 18. Kind of sad we still have that thing still.
“I blasted him.” Really was the triggering point for him and he needed to retract his PTSD by saying “they’re not real people, they’re just targets.” Almost like a little cue to come back to the current moment and not transfer his head space back to that moment. I pray for this man. I send him love and light, 🙏🏼💛
Another youtube psychiatrist.....
OBIPPO another person who can’t see the obvious, such a shame.
What happens when weaklings go to war, those should stay home
@@thepolites3876 he was a Vietnam Vet, many men were drafted for that War, so I'm sure he may not have ever been prepared for what he had to do
Jesus...
The 1000 yard stair at 2:46, imagine all those flashbacks within those few seconds.
I try to imagine but it's hard and horrible
lonnie- what a pure soul that guy is. I hope you find your inner peace man.
A friend of mine back in the 80's was a Vietnam vet.... He was a pacifist... Long hair, liked James Taylor folk music, etc. One day he told me that he had killed people in Vietnam. I told him I couldn't envision that. He told me that all our fancy notions of peace go out the window when someone's shooting at you. You just shoot back.... Never forgot that conversation...
JaleelJohanson62
These men killed for nothing as wars wil never cease utili men like these refuse to fight
Exactly it becomes a fight for survival no matter the cost.
JaleelJohanson62 stop making stories up lol
Hernandez 13 lmao
Jimmy Torres he got a wild imagination dude gota stop lying to himself😂