I am all for it. Somehow each time when a new method of public transit happens in Toronto, several people tend to act like little kids. Most of us are adults and lets act like adults. Anything to help clean the air.
Is there not enough density in Scarborough for it not to get underground stations? The section between Victoria Park and Kennedy already faces heavy traffic. It's going to be a nightmare driving there.
Great video. But what Toronto needs is a subway. For those that argue about cost, as a global city and one of the most advanced country in the world, there's no reason why we can't build it. If countries like Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Mexico and even India can build a more extensive network by starting construction even later, there's no reason why Toronto can't. Sure, cost is a constraint but so is it for all the other cities. It's all about efficiency and policy implementation which Toronto lacks. And let's be honest, the transportation in Toronto does little to represent what a global city should look like.
You're comparing Toronto to cities that have twice, three times, or more population. Toronto has an above average amount of rapid transit lines compared to other cities of 2-3 million.
@@activelow9297 Not true. Did you even do your research? Toronto has more population than Kuala Lumpur or Taipei. Maybe you're right - let's compare to Chicago, the closest North American city in terms of climate, infrastructure and population. They have more than twice the subway system length, with half of Toronto's ridership. That tells you Toronto's system is severely overused. There's a reason why Metrolinx is now pushing for subways rather than LRT. By your standard, Toronto had way less population back in the 1950s, why did they decide to build subways? Oh what a waste of money they should just built BRTs or kept buses! Let's face it, LRT is easier to build and cheaper. The reason politicians advocate for it because it can be completed within their time as mayors so they can brag about it. It's however, not in the interests of Torontonians, especially those who don't live downtown. Don't forget Crosstown should have been built by now and it's been delayed like 3 years? LRT isn't free from construction delays - like I said above, the lack of efficiency and policy implementation is what Toronto lacks.
The Scarborough RT is actually a mini-subway. The original SRT was going to be a regular streetcar running up a private right of way. It was pretty cool when built and it would be relatively inexpensive to upgrade and expand much like the Skytrain in Vancouver. Scarborough already has 3 subway stations and 6 SRT stations. The crosstown line will be fantastic other than introducing another rail vehicle not compatible on other lines due to track guage.
glen atkinson stupid city of Toronto they are going to trash the SRT even though they could easily get rid of the trains and tracks change them get LRT vehicles and LRT tracks and bam a practically new line
Mindmilling real estate isn't going to destroy the above ground lines they aren't gonna buy up the stations streetcars are great Toronto is known for streetcars why should we get rid of them Real estate can not and won't ever be able to damage streetcar reputations it's a known fact that streetcars are faster then buses and can hold more people once Toronto receives all the new streetcars that will change the look on the streetcars and make them better and more practically look at Queen and King tons of real estate there but it has streetcar tracks your point is inarguably
***** I know for a fact that the TTC won't put in self driving buses the Union would refuse that and might even bring a lawsuit on because they don't want there jobs to be lost look at the Scarborough RT it can self drive but the Union never allowed it to self drive they said put drivers there for safety reasons
***** one thing that's from sure is that streetcars will not be undone for maybe around 50 years more the TTC and Toronto value streetcars nobody cares what real estate companies think streetcars are Toronto's heritage symbol streetcars will stay look at king Street there is a lot of new condo buildings but there are also streetcars there too. My fact is saying that real estate never will effect streetcars since streetcars is a heritage in Toronto the line will never be buried also Metrolink is redeveloping Eglinton ave they will widen the roads and plant trees and grass making it look nicer then right now
Like the NY subway, London Underground and San Francisco cable cars, the TTC trams are iconic. We take them for granted but MANY enthusiasts from around the world come here to see and ride them. They are a huge part of our transportation history like them or not.
The Toronto LRT should run the length of Eglinton, end-to-end, not in anyway offloading to the existing TTC subway system. The people in Toronto should have an alternate mode of transportation in going to the different places in the city, connecting population centres with schools, malls and government offices.
Metrolinx is working on a completely new pricing scheme for the entire region. I think we can expect a better integration of fares by late 2016 (which is when the entire TTC will be Presto enabled). I wouldn't worry about it too much but it's definitely a great question because there haven't been any specifics on this. It can be anything from time based & speed based, to distance or zone based fares.
Its coming together good and its great for ttc riders but im thinking driving on eglinton is going to be vry slower and more condensed then before. I wish it was all underground so it wouldn’t take up road space in an ever expanding city with more drivers on it everyday.
its replacing the HOV lanes with LRT track and replacing busses, which block the right lane every time someone needs to board or get off. traffic will improve if anything.
"At grade" transit is a failure because vehicle accidents and red traffic lights will slow down the train. The city made a stupid error by not elevating the aboveground portion like the Skytrain in Vancouver. However, it's delusional for Mindmilling to expect we can build full fledged subway with the current budget.
as live in uk, i wish we could light rail, like feature in video, fed up traffic jams and hold ups , for 2nd large city , so only one line,in past one best but 50s planning got wrong, with buses, allow more cars, into city,
If the end-point is Kennedy, why not just continue the Sheppard Line. There is no point in redundant, expensive separate line that is intended to cater to the same riding public. A better LRT could be an elevated system that will go through the length of Eglinton Avenue and beyond, that has the potential of establishing a link between Toronto and its neighboring cities, Mississauga, Pickering, etc. A tourist, local or foreign, can go through a sight-seeing journey through the city. Ontarians can live in the suburbs and still work in the financial and commercial districts of Toronto and Mississauga. This LRT which will be another subway line is a waste of money.
Unfortunately for those who do not live in Scarborough do not realize the expensive toll that gentrification is causing the east end. Ultimately Scarborough is a place where things are far apart and you need to be able to drive to get from one place to another. A glorified streetcar in separate lanes will only increase traffic not decrease it. What many who disregard subways also don't understand is that many commuters cannot simply afford to pay the expensive GO transit fares to commute to the city from Durham or Markham and instead must rely on either driving or subways as an express service. The Scarborough subway extension is excellent because it allows someone to drive right off the highway to a subway that takes you directly to the heart of downtown. Similar to how slowly but surely TYSSE is starting to pick up more and more passengers, subways would do so for Scarborough
Once again scarborough got the short end of the stick, the moment it hits the scarborough border it is above ground all the way to kennedy? seriously???? why not keep it under ground all the way. Traffic will be hell in scarborough now just like st clair west.
This is part of his Transit City that Metrolinx adopted for the provincial transit plan "The Big Move." Along with the other LRT lines that are still on the backburner. Better late than never.
But that Rob Ford terminated Transit City to focus on extending the subway lines which starves parts of the city of transit service and forbade us to dig deeper into the crayon box for *new line colours *New Line Colors Line 6 Finch West Line (Red) Line 7 Central Line (Dark Blue) Line 8 Jane Line (Pink) Line 9 Waterfront West Line (Silver) Line 10 Lower Queen Line (Gold)
The light rail should have been automated. They shouldn't have renamed the names of the same stations, but instead have different names. It will be very confusing for people. You have two bathurst stations--which bathurst? Crosstown or line 2 ? People will go to the wrong bathurst stations.
Dude. Calgary, Seattle, Stockholm, and LA are not known for their efficient transit services, let alone light rail. Portland, Vancouver (yes, the Skytrain is a light rail service), Scarborough, Rotterdam, Hong Kong (Yuen Long district), and London (DLR) have far better working light rail services. The rest of the world also calls them tram services and there's plenty of examples of amazing tram services in Europe and Asia. I'm also not convinced that light rail is any faster than bus service. In every city which has added light rail (even mass rail), commute time has actually INCREASED. In Edmonton, the current LRT is maxed at 70kph, and never reaches that speed except on the couple outskirt stations because stations are close and longer trains take time to speed and slow down. The new LRT light being added is a glorified streetcar and will go 50kph or less. Increase in travel time (compared to bus) has happened even in places like Hong Kong, and London. When the new rail services are added, routes are diverted to the rail services, interchanges take extra time to get to, etc. On-grade rail also means increase in road commute times. In a BIG city, it's not recommended unless the trains are one-cars (like trams in Europe). You will NEVER find light rail in the most efficient transit cities take up the core.
LRTs usually aren't too much faster than express buses when they run on streets in dedicated lanes, but they do exponentially increase capacity. However, once they get underground or onto real rails in the case of Edmonton then they become just as fast as subways. Also, big portions of this LRT line is underground, where the streets above are filled with buses and cars moving at 1km/h.
not sure about that one. the golden mile area wouldnt look right with an elongated bridge towering over the road. save that for high density cityscapes like tokyo or brooklyn.
+RedBearonFire For me not a subway, but a full Underground LRT would make sense, it's cheaper than a subway but more useful then a surface LRT! Plus to save money we can just make the stops ans station like they do downtown on the University Line.
+RedBearonFire Because parts of Eglinton outside the downtown core don't warrant expensive tunnelling. Look at how stupid the Shepard Stubway is, it should have been surface RT.
They messed it up Eglinton ave. East.... Too much trouble to the businesses and to the people who live in this area! Ford want all the way subway but some racist and selfish councilor disagree with the idea that is what happened. The boundary is Don Mills.
foreign buyers tax should be raised. the majority of toronto's population influx is due to rich immigration from china/india and toronto isnt taking advantage of the demand
Scarborough RT is NOT AN LRT, it is Bombardier ART technology, like used in Vancouver, it is much faster and better than the subway, the problem with the RT is that it is really old and needs to be upgraded, the moronic rapid transit planners in Toronto don't want to pay the 300 million for redevelopment, so instead are paying 1,2 billion to build a subway under it, Toronto has moronic 5 year enviro impact studies, and they keep changing the plans so they start the 5yr wait over and over, the LRT is extreme STUPID as it averages only 2km/h faster than city buses and costs as much as subway, and takes forever to build, torontograd rapid transit is a slow joke that never gets built, all we see are fantasy plans from chumps wanting to get elected who never build shit, just waste 100s of millions on USELESS impact studies, Vancouver does them in under 18 months, no wonder van has a much larger metro system, with far more km or way faster line./
As someone who lives near Vancouver, I'd say screw the Scarborough RT. It's noisy and cramped and a Subway would be better. Even though we have those same trains on the skytrain they seem to be quieter on the skytrain than on the rt. And LRTs are great.
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I can't wait for the year 2296 when I can ride it!
That is when the Scarborough subway extension project will break ground.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At the progress it’s moving at, the release date sounds about accurate! 😂
I CANNOT WAIT ANY LONGER I WANT THIS LINE TO BE OPENED UP
I am all for it. Somehow each time when a new method of public transit happens in Toronto, several people tend to act like little kids. Most of us are adults and lets act like adults. Anything to help clean the air.
I can't wait to ride The Crosstown!
still under construction lol
Good luck.... you'll be waiting forever.....
September 2022 completion
Early 2023 in operation
@@padmeshsethuraman5617 lol nah
still gotta wait
This is such a great video. Thank you for posting it, it was very informative.
For some strange reason I can’t stop hearing that tune in the background in my head, I always hum it lmao
Is there not enough density in Scarborough for it not to get underground stations? The section between Victoria Park and Kennedy already faces heavy traffic. It's going to be a nightmare driving there.
My hope is that within a few years they will either elevate or put the line underground down there similar to what is planned in Etobicoke
Great video. But what Toronto needs is a subway. For those that argue about cost, as a global city and one of the most advanced country in the world, there's no reason why we can't build it. If countries like Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Mexico and even India can build a more extensive network by starting construction even later, there's no reason why Toronto can't. Sure, cost is a constraint but so is it for all the other cities. It's all about efficiency and policy implementation which Toronto lacks. And let's be honest, the transportation in Toronto does little to represent what a global city should look like.
You're comparing Toronto to cities that have twice, three times, or more population. Toronto has an above average amount of rapid transit lines compared to other cities of 2-3 million.
@@activelow9297 Not true. Did you even do your research? Toronto has more population than Kuala Lumpur or Taipei. Maybe you're right - let's compare to Chicago, the closest North American city in terms of climate, infrastructure and population. They have more than twice the subway system length, with half of Toronto's ridership. That tells you Toronto's system is severely overused. There's a reason why Metrolinx is now pushing for subways rather than LRT. By your standard, Toronto had way less population back in the 1950s, why did they decide to build subways? Oh what a waste of money they should just built BRTs or kept buses!
Let's face it, LRT is easier to build and cheaper. The reason politicians advocate for it because it can be completed within their time as mayors so they can brag about it. It's however, not in the interests of Torontonians, especially those who don't live downtown. Don't forget Crosstown should have been built by now and it's been delayed like 3 years? LRT isn't free from construction delays - like I said above, the lack of efficiency and policy implementation is what Toronto lacks.
Gee, I agree, if only Toronto had a subway, that definitely doesn’t exist
Now we wait 5 years till it's finished
its a lrt not a subway
Now it’s only 2 years away
It's 2019 and it's still not open
It feels like it's been a decade. Delayed until 2021
@@codyguy2643 it's only been delayed a year
It won't be open till I finish High School ;-;
right on time, assuming you will have need to go further
I live in British Columbia.
Not open yet, still under construction
Interesting, same as the 19km track in Kitchener-Waterloo, due to go into service finally by December 2018. We are looking forward.
Don't you mean backwards it's been pushed back. Besides the project started in 2006
Cant believe this was 7 years ago still waiting
The Scarborough RT is actually a mini-subway. The original SRT was going to be a regular streetcar running up a private right of way. It was pretty cool when built and it would be relatively inexpensive to upgrade and expand much like the Skytrain in Vancouver. Scarborough already has 3 subway stations and 6 SRT stations. The crosstown line will be fantastic other than introducing another rail vehicle not compatible on other lines due to track guage.
glen atkinson stupid city of Toronto they are going to trash the SRT even though they could easily get rid of the trains and tracks change them get LRT vehicles and LRT tracks and bam a practically new line
Mindmilling real estate isn't going to destroy the above ground lines they aren't gonna buy up the stations streetcars are great Toronto is known for streetcars why should we get rid of them Real estate can not and won't ever be able to damage streetcar reputations it's a known fact that streetcars are faster then buses and can hold more people once Toronto receives all the new streetcars that will change the look on the streetcars and make them better and more practically look at Queen and King tons of real estate there but it has streetcar tracks your point is inarguably
***** I know for a fact that the TTC won't put in self driving buses the Union would refuse that and might even bring a lawsuit on because they don't want there jobs to be lost look at the Scarborough RT it can self drive but the Union never allowed it to self drive they said put drivers there for safety reasons
***** one thing that's from sure is that streetcars will not be undone for maybe around 50 years more the TTC and Toronto value streetcars nobody cares what real estate companies think streetcars are Toronto's heritage symbol streetcars will stay look at king Street there is a lot of new condo buildings but there are also streetcars there too. My fact is saying that real estate never will effect streetcars since streetcars is a heritage in Toronto the line will never be buried also Metrolink is redeveloping Eglinton ave they will widen the roads and plant trees and grass making it look nicer then right now
Like the NY subway, London Underground and San Francisco cable cars, the TTC trams are iconic. We take them for granted but MANY enthusiasts from around the world come here to see and ride them. They are a huge part of our transportation history like them or not.
Were is the terminal staion
Largest transit infrastructure in Canada? 19 km? Montreal's REM project is 67 km.
The Toronto LRT should run the length of Eglinton, end-to-end, not in anyway offloading to the existing TTC subway system. The people in Toronto should have an alternate mode of transportation in going to the different places in the city, connecting population centres with schools, malls and government offices.
I WANT TO RIDE THIS
Why the platform is LONG?
If you consider the current subway platforms long. It has space for up to 3 vehicles
is this part of ttc do i have to pay an extra fare
Metrolinx is working on a completely new pricing scheme for the entire region. I think we can expect a better integration of fares by late 2016 (which is when the entire TTC will be Presto enabled). I wouldn't worry about it too much but it's definitely a great question because there haven't been any specifics on this. It can be anything from time based & speed based, to distance or zone based fares.
+Daf Dafnsmurf It will be 100% part of the TTC, as Line 5 Eglinton.
exactly metrolinks is building an maintaining it but the TTC will provide the crews to operate it.
@@eurosoe presto working just great, riders are riping off the system$73. million yearly.
I agree to great video but what Toronto needs is a subway for that agree about to cast and a global City and one of most advanced
Its coming together good and its great for ttc riders but im thinking driving on eglinton is going to be vry slower and more condensed then before. I wish it was all underground so it wouldn’t take up road space in an ever expanding city with more drivers on it everyday.
its replacing the HOV lanes with LRT track and replacing busses, which block the right lane every time someone needs to board or get off. traffic will improve if anything.
@@Skyfoogle it makes it much harder to turn into certain streets and businesses, also traffic was already very bad with the HOV lanes too
It is underground in some portions
is it done yet?
no
@@brosandshortfilms7647 still no
Wait did he say 2031
adande lawrence 2021
The new Montreal REM is Canada’s biggest transit infrastructure project with 67 km of lines planned.
When to be completed??
And it's fully driverless! Only 10km for line 5 is driverless
@@tom.o.5488 2021 for the first section
2023 as a whole
They made a big mistake by not elevating the line on the above ground portion. This potentially means a car accident could block the train.
Mindmilling hating streetcars and LRT lines like a true rob Ford supporter when he ran for mayor
"At grade" transit is a failure because vehicle accidents and red traffic lights will slow down the train. The city made a stupid error by not elevating the aboveground portion like the Skytrain in Vancouver. However, it's delusional for Mindmilling to expect we can build full fledged subway with the current budget.
In other words, it may look nice on image, however, in reality, the actual service is slowed down heavily.
live right there 0:51
as live in uk, i wish we could light rail, like feature in video, fed up traffic jams and hold ups , for 2nd large city , so only one line,in past one best but 50s planning got wrong, with buses, allow more cars, into city,
If the end-point is Kennedy, why not just continue the Sheppard Line. There is no point in redundant, expensive separate line that is intended to cater to the same riding public. A better LRT could be an elevated system that will go through the length of Eglinton Avenue and beyond, that has the potential of establishing a link between Toronto and its neighboring cities, Mississauga, Pickering, etc.
A tourist, local or foreign, can go through a sight-seeing journey through the city. Ontarians can live in the suburbs and still work in the financial and commercial districts of Toronto and Mississauga.
This LRT which will be another subway line is a waste of money.
Unfortunately for those who do not live in Scarborough do not realize the expensive toll that gentrification is causing the east end. Ultimately Scarborough is a place where things are far apart and you need to be able to drive to get from one place to another. A glorified streetcar in separate lanes will only increase traffic not decrease it. What many who disregard subways also don't understand is that many commuters cannot simply afford to pay the expensive GO transit fares to commute to the city from Durham or Markham and instead must rely on either driving or subways as an express service. The Scarborough subway extension is excellent because it allows someone to drive right off the highway to a subway that takes you directly to the heart of downtown. Similar to how slowly but surely TYSSE is starting to pick up more and more passengers, subways would do so for Scarborough
Can't ride it in infinty years 🥵🥶
Once again scarborough got the short end of the stick, the moment it hits the scarborough border it is above ground all the way to kennedy? seriously???? why not keep it under ground all the way. Traffic will be hell in scarborough now just like st clair west.
Agreed, I thought immediately we in Scarborough were getting the shaft when we got the above ground option.
more people who wouldve used the car will use transit, traffic will stay the same(as of pre-start-contruction)
It wil open when I finish middle school.
It's going to be obsolete when it's ready to run.
When you think of what we could have had with Mayor Miller. This is a sneeze. See transitcity
This is part of his Transit City that Metrolinx adopted for the provincial transit plan "The Big Move." Along with the other LRT lines that are still on the backburner. Better late than never.
But that Rob Ford terminated Transit City to focus on extending the subway lines which starves parts of the city of transit service and forbade us to dig deeper into the crayon box for *new line colours
*New Line Colors
Line 6 Finch West Line (Red)
Line 7 Central Line (Dark Blue)
Line 8 Jane Line (Pink)
Line 9 Waterfront West Line (Silver)
Line 10 Lower Queen Line (Gold)
I wish they were actually painted green!
They should have done this sooner, like when they were constructing the other 4 subway lines.
The light rail should have been automated. They shouldn't have renamed the names of the same stations, but instead have different names. It will be very confusing for people. You have two bathurst stations--which bathurst? Crosstown or line 2 ?
People will go to the wrong bathurst stations.
Bobby Bobby Apparently they are renaming the stations
@@MarkoBuha But it will be automated in the underground section of the line
Plus who makes a lrt automated in full traffic??
i can assure you people will be far more confused when they need to get off at dufferin and the station is called fairbank
@@Skyfoogle Only dumb people will have a problem.
WHEN.
refused it'll be finished and operational by 2021. (Source: Metrolinx)
@@XxHockeyKid34xX More like 2023
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September 2022
6 years to build, 2015 to 2021.
Nope freaking 10 2011-2021
@@mrrobot5963 12
If they follow the L. A way of doing this , Toronto is in big trouble.
This was 6byears agao
Well don't wait that long until 2022 to ride it it might be even done like 2022, 2023 2024 or 2025
September 2022 completion
@@padmeshsethuraman5617 highly doubt that now.
Dude. Calgary, Seattle, Stockholm, and LA are not known for their efficient transit services, let alone light rail. Portland, Vancouver (yes, the Skytrain is a light rail service), Scarborough, Rotterdam, Hong Kong (Yuen Long district), and London (DLR) have far better working light rail services. The rest of the world also calls them tram services and there's plenty of examples of amazing tram services in Europe and Asia.
I'm also not convinced that light rail is any faster than bus service. In every city which has added light rail (even mass rail), commute time has actually INCREASED. In Edmonton, the current LRT is maxed at 70kph, and never reaches that speed except on the couple outskirt stations because stations are close and longer trains take time to speed and slow down. The new LRT light being added is a glorified streetcar and will go 50kph or less.
Increase in travel time (compared to bus) has happened even in places like Hong Kong, and London. When the new rail services are added, routes are diverted to the rail services, interchanges take extra time to get to, etc. On-grade rail also means increase in road commute times. In a BIG city, it's not recommended unless the trains are one-cars (like trams in Europe). You will NEVER find light rail in the most efficient transit cities take up the core.
LRTs usually aren't too much faster than express buses when they run on streets in dedicated lanes, but they do exponentially increase capacity. However, once they get underground or onto real rails in the case of Edmonton then they become just as fast as subways.
Also, big portions of this LRT line is underground, where the streets above are filled with buses and cars moving at 1km/h.
They should've made it elevated from Laird to Kennedy!
not sure about that one. the golden mile area wouldnt look right with an elongated bridge towering over the road. save that for high density cityscapes like tokyo or brooklyn.
@@Skyfoogle it shouldn't be about the look, by making it at grade, Toronto has basically screwed driving on Eglinton
Why not just make it a subway like honestly
+RedBearonFire I fully agree with you, but there is a cost factor.
Mark Lee Ya just sucks its not the TTC because it'll be nice being able to transfer onto it from a bus
+RedBearonFire For me not a subway, but a full Underground LRT would make sense, it's cheaper than a subway but more useful then a surface LRT! Plus to save money we can just make the stops ans station like they do downtown on the University Line.
+RedBearonFire they're removing tokens and transfers from the TTC and switching entirely to Presto and Cash, so you're not to face any problems soon.
+RedBearonFire Because parts of Eglinton outside the downtown core don't warrant expensive tunnelling. Look at how stupid the Shepard Stubway is, it should have been surface RT.
They messed it up Eglinton ave. East.... Too much trouble to the businesses and to the people who live in this area! Ford want all the way subway but some racist and selfish councilor disagree with the idea that is what happened. The boundary is Don Mills.
Y'all should have continued to martingrove or renforth smh
See Eglinton West LRT. It'll be extended to Toronto Pearson International Airport in the future.
@@mrrobot5963 glad there starting it now
Should have been a Subway
😂😂Liars
Get ready to pay high taxes , for all this great subway lines.
*shitty excuse for not making a subway line
Cloud 19 Gaming ok pretend they build all the sub ways how are tax payer going to maintain it
The government of Ontario is funding the project. And John Tory is keeping taxes low.
foreign buyers tax should be raised. the majority of toronto's population influx is due to rich immigration from china/india and toronto isnt taking advantage of the demand
What a joke...
Scarborough RT is NOT AN LRT, it is Bombardier ART technology, like used in Vancouver, it is much faster and better than the subway, the problem with the RT is that it is really old and needs to be upgraded, the moronic rapid transit planners in Toronto don't want to pay the 300 million for redevelopment, so instead are paying 1,2 billion to build a subway under it, Toronto has moronic 5 year enviro impact studies, and they keep changing the plans so they start the 5yr wait over and over, the LRT is extreme STUPID as it averages only 2km/h faster than city buses and costs as much as subway, and takes forever to build, torontograd rapid transit is a slow joke that never gets built, all we see are fantasy plans from chumps wanting to get elected who never build shit, just waste 100s of millions on USELESS impact studies, Vancouver does them in under 18 months, no wonder van has a much larger metro system, with far more km or way faster line./
As someone who lives near Vancouver, I'd say screw the Scarborough RT. It's noisy and cramped and a Subway would be better. Even though we have those same trains on the skytrain they seem to be quieter on the skytrain than on the rt. And LRTs are great.
lrts are ideally cheaper than both RTs and subways, faster to build and go much faster than buses
toronto is just a horribly mismanaged city