@@miguelfonseca1104 None of my opponents have found Nb1 yet 🙂 but even if they do I think your Ba6 line is fine but with 12....b5 rather than 12...dxc4 1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nge2 d5 6. e5 Ng8 7. Nb1 Ba6 8. Bxa6 Nxa6 9. c4 c6 10. Qa4 Nb4 11. a3 Nd3+ 12. Kd2 b5 13. cxb5 Nxf2 14. Rf1 Ne4+ 15. Ke1 Rc8
@@peterchaplin4757 yeah i remember analyzing that bizarre line. Its stuff like that why i gave up on ng8. ITs labyrinths of sideline upon sideline for black to merely prove white has "just" a decent advantage.
After 4. Bd3 Bb4 5. Ne2 I like to play 5. ... d5 6. e5 Qd7 (top engine move preparing Ba6 and long castle and protecting against white f5 push in advance) 7. 0-0 Be7 (again top engine move), have you ever tried that line?
Interesting comments. But I differ on the evaluation of the "Main Line" where you recommend the immense double pawn chain where Black takes the double pawn chain to the limit and closes the position completely with b3. I used to play this type of position often in the French defense (only difference is that Black develops the QB to d7 instead of b7) and in my home analysis I concluded that Black doesn't equalize and relies on White playing impatiently. The problem with b3 is that it completely closes the position and eliminates the last pawn lever to open a file for the rooks and some attacking room for pieces. Once all pawn levers have been eliminated, there are no means for Black to attack on the Queen side except by sacrifice so then the center of gravity shifts to the King side where White has the advantage in space and therefor mobility. Black not only has a disadvantage in space which translates to difficult and limite maneuvering, Black only has one somewhat effective pawn lever and that is f6 attacking the head of the pawn chain which is unlikely to succeed, again because it's unlikely with the disadvantage in space to position pieces for an opening of the position. There seems to be no good options for Black when the Queen side can't be opened. Any movement by King side pawns creates target pawn weaknesses. I'd argue that although if White's KB is trapped on b1 and even if the rook is also trapped on a1 that those pieces are doing good work holding the Queen side while threatening latent power should the bishop suddenly be freed, and since White holds all the cards in sense of timing of any opening Black is helpless and just has to sit and wait, unable to improve his position. It's because of this poor prospects for Black when the Queen side is closed with b3 that I spent considerable time either maintaining the tension with Black maintaining a supported pawn on b4 or capturing either on d4, c3 or a3. Black has to make one of those work if the closed position resulting from advancing the pawn to b3 is to be avoided.
White can try e4 b6 d4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 4. e5?! The pawn advance seems too soon, but I dont see a way for black to get an advantage. When I setup and play this position vs Stockfish, it does not take long for it to make strong/winning moves, maybe I should stop practicing against it, Lol.. Ps: Move order is important, e6 before Bb7 allows the c8 bishop to come out sooner to pin the knight if its goes to c3, otherwise e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Nc3 e6 4. a3 prevents that. (thus, e4 b6 d4 e6 Nc3 Bb4..)
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Thanks a lot. short and useful.
Thank you for this such a knowlegeble conten! Keep it up!
very glad to see this content. What is the GM's suggestion vs the bd3 nc3 nge2 response? (in light of the fact the natural c5 is met by the nasty d5!)
No answer 😕 but we already know the answer Ng8 and suffer long time if White plays Nb1
@@peterchaplin4757 i much rather play d6, and go for delayed c5
@@miguelfonseca1104 None of my opponents have found Nb1 yet 🙂 but even if they do I think your Ba6 line is fine but with 12....b5 rather than 12...dxc4
1. e4 b6 2. d4 Bb7 3. Bd3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 5. Nge2 d5 6. e5 Ng8 7. Nb1 Ba6 8. Bxa6
Nxa6 9. c4 c6 10. Qa4 Nb4 11. a3 Nd3+ 12. Kd2 b5 13. cxb5 Nxf2 14. Rf1 Ne4+ 15.
Ke1 Rc8
@@peterchaplin4757 yeah i remember analyzing that bizarre line. Its stuff like that why i gave up on ng8. ITs labyrinths of sideline upon sideline for black to merely prove white has "just" a decent advantage.
After 4. Bd3 Bb4 5. Ne2 I like to play 5. ... d5 6. e5 Qd7 (top engine move preparing Ba6 and long castle and protecting against white f5 push in advance) 7. 0-0 Be7 (again top engine move), have you ever tried that line?
24:57 a4 looks like a free pawn to me.
Interesting comments.
But I differ on the evaluation of the "Main Line" where you recommend the immense double pawn chain where Black takes the double pawn chain to the limit and closes the position completely with b3. I used to play this type of position often in the French defense (only difference is that Black develops the QB to d7 instead of b7) and in my home analysis I concluded that Black doesn't equalize and relies on White playing impatiently.
The problem with b3 is that it completely closes the position and eliminates the last pawn lever to open a file for the rooks and some attacking room for pieces. Once all pawn levers have been eliminated, there are no means for Black to attack on the Queen side except by sacrifice so then the center of gravity shifts to the King side where White has the advantage in space and therefor mobility. Black not only has a disadvantage in space which translates to difficult and limite maneuvering, Black only has one somewhat effective pawn lever and that is f6 attacking the head of the pawn chain which is unlikely to succeed, again because it's unlikely with the disadvantage in space to position pieces for an opening of the position.
There seems to be no good options for Black when the Queen side can't be opened. Any movement by King side pawns creates target pawn weaknesses. I'd argue that although if White's KB is trapped on b1 and even if the rook is also trapped on a1 that those pieces are doing good work holding the Queen side while threatening latent power should the bishop suddenly be freed, and since White holds all the cards in sense of timing of any opening Black is helpless and just has to sit and wait, unable to improve his position.
It's because of this poor prospects for Black when the Queen side is closed with b3 that I spent considerable time either maintaining the tension with Black maintaining a supported pawn on b4 or capturing either on d4, c3 or a3. Black has to make one of those work if the closed position resulting from advancing the pawn to b3 is to be avoided.
Gm or random comment
Choice is easy
White can try e4 b6 d4 e6 Nf3 Bb7 4. e5?! The pawn advance seems too soon, but I dont see a way for black to get an advantage. When I setup and play this position vs Stockfish, it does not take long for it to make strong/winning moves, maybe I should stop practicing against it, Lol.. Ps: Move order is important, e6 before Bb7 allows the c8 bishop to come out sooner to pin the knight if its goes to c3, otherwise e4 b6 d4 Bb7 Nc3 e6 4. a3 prevents that. (thus, e4 b6 d4 e6 Nc3 Bb4..)
I learned Owen's Defense from The Rat! 😅
most people tend to advange white pawsn to e5
Good thinking!