The History of the Slip Coach

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  • Опубликовано: 26 июн 2020
  • Hello everyone! :D
    Turning back to railways, we cover the history of an eccentric British railway novelty, the Slip Coach. In order to save on the inefficient stopping of express trains at intermediate stations, Slip Coaches provided an easy means of serving stops while fast services could continue uninterrupted.
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  • @leokimvideo
    @leokimvideo 2 года назад +96

    Obviously footage of a slip coach actually being detached is so rare it's right up the end of the video...amazing

    • @21Trainman
      @21Trainman 2 года назад +8

      @@andypandy7769 not really, since they would slip just before the station, and so would simply coast in using their momentum and stop at the appropriate time. If they stopped early though, yes there would be no way for them to reach the station.

  • @DrFod
    @DrFod 4 года назад +410

    The reason this was dangerous was because it violated the principles of absolute block signalling because there were effectively two trains in the same section. Signalmen had to be on their toes and remember not to ring train out of section when they saw the front half pass their box.

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin 4 года назад +77

      That’s why the leading nonstop portion would have a special specific tail lamp arrangement of two or maybe three ( I think) lamps to remind the signalman checking the end of the train that the slip was still in section. The steam railway was dangerous in SO many ways but because people grew into the job it was remarkably safe.

    • @johnkeepin7527
      @johnkeepin7527 4 года назад +14

      @@highdownmartin Actually illustrated around 10 seconds into this movie 😊.

    • @Mortthemoose
      @Mortthemoose 4 года назад +3

      @@highdownmartin Ohhhh, that was intetesting. Thanks. I was wondering about that.

    • @highdownmartin
      @highdownmartin 4 года назад +2

      John Keepin indeed! I noticed that second time around

    • @n1thmusic229
      @n1thmusic229 3 года назад +8

      But incab signalling should make this perfectly safe just so long as the slip coach contains it's own signalling equipment

  • @henrybn14ar
    @henrybn14ar 4 года назад +582

    I travelled on the last one in the last month of operation in 1960, a late afternoon train from Paddington detaching at Bicester North, in a GWR Hawksworth coach like the one in the pciture.

    • @philt4346
      @philt4346 4 года назад +37

      Lucky devil, I was 9 months old and couldn't get a pass. I can only imagine. Like a module separating from a stage into weightlessness.

    • @Martin_Adams184
      @Martin_Adams184 4 года назад +13

      Yes. Lucky you!

    • @epiccogman7959
      @epiccogman7959 4 года назад +8

      Noice.

    • @alexjohnward
      @alexjohnward 4 года назад +4

      awesome.

    • @jayburgh
      @jayburgh 4 года назад +8

      thats fascinating, Henry what was the experience like?

  • @volvoolympianforever
    @volvoolympianforever 3 года назад +2

    Fun fact: the first ever slip coach practice on a colonial railway was on the Kowloon Canton Railway in Hong Kong, back before WW2. There were two buffet cars modified for this purpose so that golfers from Kowloon can ride on them which would be attached to Kowloon - Guangzhou (then Canton) express trains, with the coach detached at the golf course in the New Territories (specifically Sheung Shui). This piece of information was from a book on the history of the KCR by the colonial government of HK back in the 1990s, and I was unable to find any pictures of this information, but still, it’s interesting enough.

  • @royreynolds108
    @royreynolds108 3 года назад +2

    One of the small railroads out of Silverton, CO was built with a turntable as part of the main line because of the lack of room for a loop to redirect the track in the direction the train was supposed to go. Also very steep grades were involved with steep mountainsides hemming in the route on both sides. To get the locomotive onto the front of the train and pointed upgrade, a turntable was built with 2 parallel tracks leading to it so the locomotive approached the turntable upgrade. The train would stop short of the turntable and uncouple from the cars, then proceed onto the turntable, turn, run around the cars and stop just beyond the turnout. The brakes would be released on the cars which would roll down to couple with the locomotive and then the train would proceed upgrade or downgrade as necessary. It was time consuming but did not involve backing a train up the grade as at a zig-zig(switchback).

  • @coloradostrong
    @coloradostrong 2 года назад +2

    I rode this in Wedley-in-Commons to Uppleigh-on-Marthe in 2018. The ole chap had a stroke after releasing the car and we plowed into a Scottish Highland cow that was on the track. Beautiful animal it was.

  • @Titot182
    @Titot182 4 года назад +248

    Slipcoach - sounds like a post-rock/grunge band

    • @winfield347
      @winfield347 4 года назад +5

      Another goth rock fan.what a looser you must be.

    • @visionist7
      @visionist7 4 года назад +17

      @@winfield347 what's a looser

    • @paulkennedy8701
      @paulkennedy8701 4 года назад +12

      @@visionist7
      Someone who has slipped too much I suppose.

    • @paulqueripel3493
      @paulqueripel3493 4 года назад +12

      @@visionist7 same as a loser, but they can't spell.

    • @duffey3
      @duffey3 4 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/a4xjr9v5ehk/видео.html

  • @johnmaxnodiff5875
    @johnmaxnodiff5875 2 года назад +5

    I saw the Coronation Scot in blue do this as a boy train spotter on Crewe Station. I overheard a conversation between a Porter and a passenger about they occasionally ran bets were the coach would come to rest. This stopped when it was realised that some cheating could have occurred with the brakeman. The one I saw had come to a halt just a few yards short of a small white line on the edge of the platform hardly visible to passengers of why it was there. At the time I didn’t know what was going on and thought the coach had come off the end of the train, until I looked it up in all the train spotting and other books I had. Up to the start of COVID I still was going to Crewe Heritage Centre often. There is a large window in the old signal box looking directly at the end of the platforms. Unfortunately I can no longer go at the moment owing to long term illness. I especially miss talking to the old members of Crewe railway works and that are often there and the visiting steam locos. On of the last I saw was the Flying Scotsman. Health and safety makes it now there is a small fence between the visitors and the Locomotives. The members are a very friendly bunch that are always willing to answer any questions.

  • @flatcapfiddle
    @flatcapfiddle 4 года назад +420

    I saw these watching an epicode of Thomas the Tank Engine with my daughter. I thought they where fictitious, thought up by creative tv writers.

    • @applecounty
      @applecounty 4 года назад +44

      When the Rev. W. Awdry wrote his books he ensured that the storylines included Railway operating practice (UK). I am not familiar with the latter stories, especially non-UK so cannot comment on these.

    • @szabados1980
      @szabados1980 4 года назад +12

      @@applecounty Some elements were real and others fictional. Or show me a tank engine that talks to himself. 😃

    • @szabados1980
      @szabados1980 4 года назад +5

      My first thought was to check the calendar. And it's not April 1st... I'm confused!

    • @zork999
      @zork999 4 года назад +8

      That's where I heard of them first, too. And that's with God's Wonderful Railway being my favorite. I always wondered if the time saved on the outward journey (giving it the "slip") was worth the time lost on the return journey.

    • @AviationNut
      @AviationNut 4 года назад

      Well Thomas the train is fictional.😂😂

  • @davidpatrick8599
    @davidpatrick8599 4 года назад +14

    I remember seeing slip coaches being detaching at both Reading and Didcot in the late 1950s.
    Historically , they were amazingly save, no serious accidents being recorded involving their operation, which speaks volumes for the skill and competence of the staff involved. The rules of operation were extremely strict and had to cope with localised bad weather ,i.e. fog, blinding snow etc. The Guard in the slip portion had to know exactly where he was before releasing the slip and if there was any doubt, he would gently but firmly apply the brake sufficently hard enough that the driver would feel the pull and thereby he would stop the whole train at the station. I f the driver knew that he was likely to be slowed by signals ahead, there was a whistle code that would denote that the slip should not happen .This was to prevent the slip being detached and then running into the rear of the decelarating train.

    • @Ralph2
      @Ralph2 4 года назад +1

      This I did not know. Thank you for the information.

    • @johnpotter4750
      @johnpotter4750 3 года назад

      Thank you for the added clarity, most of my visits to Reading were in the 60's> via Southern Region electric multiple stock. Down by the Biscuit factory and Gas works lines.

    • @gus.smedstad
      @gus.smedstad 2 года назад +1

      Watching this video, I fully expected a section on the number of disasters and deaths caused by this practice. There was no real discussion of the potential dangers.

  • @gavinjohns6736
    @gavinjohns6736 4 года назад +6

    Interesting resume of the slip coaches operation. At certain complex locations special signals were provided to show the slip guard that it was safe to slip i.e. the main train had clear signals through the section ahead and that when slipped the coach could run safely to a stand within station limits. Some trains had multiple slip coaches: presumably passengers had to ensure they were in the correct part! Nice film. Thanks.

  • @itsthatsebguy93
    @itsthatsebguy93 4 года назад +458

    Never knew that this was a thing

    • @goteamdefense
      @goteamdefense 4 года назад +26

      iBeer420noscope you would if you had watched Thomas the Tank Engine. There was an entire episode on it.🤓

    • @Delta-nl7pi
      @Delta-nl7pi 4 года назад +5

      @@goteamdefense I guess i missed that VHS tape

    • @datguymiller
      @datguymiller 4 года назад +2

      They're on multiple Thomas episodes

    • @terryansell6641
      @terryansell6641 4 года назад +2

      Never knew this happened

    • @steeveedee8478
      @steeveedee8478 4 года назад +3

      I've always loved railways and I've never seen this before either.

  • @gdj6298
    @gdj6298 3 года назад +2

    Came across this by accident - I remember reading about slip coaches when I was a kid, but I'd forgotten about them.
    On the one hand, if done correctly and with regulations and safety in mind, it kind of makes sense.
    On the other hand, gut instinct says it's just so...........bloody...........WRONG !
    (It's reminiscent of when I'd be flying back to Gatwick and often the path would go right over my home town "Look, there's my house - give me a parachute, I can save three hours!")
    Thanks for a fascinating bit of history !

  • @rogerkearns8094
    @rogerkearns8094 4 года назад +64

    This morning I was unaware that I would hear of such a thing today.

    • @patagualianmostly7437
      @patagualianmostly7437 4 года назад +4

      Ditto....And today is my Birthday..... What an unexpected present from YT!

    • @rogerkearns8094
      @rogerkearns8094 4 года назад +1

      @@patagualianmostly7437
      Have a good one, best wishes. :)

    • @stejer211
      @stejer211 4 года назад

      Ah yes, that usually happens when learning new things. Amazing, isn't it?

  • @Mortthemoose
    @Mortthemoose 4 года назад +9

    I have no idea why this appeared in my recommendations, but I watched the whole thing, and found it really interesting! Lol
    I had never heard of this before.
    I have no particular intetest in trains, but this video did bring back memories of growing up in Norfolk, uk.
    We literally lived in a railway cottage, right on the platform of Haddiscoe Station, on the Norwich to Lowestoft line. Just to the side of house, was a disused line, closed by Beeching.
    Mum and dad didn't have a car, so we went on the train everywhere. Trains were a huge part of my life. I even remember how the old carriages used to smell! The ones with the individual compartments, and a long corridor joining them. We always felt "posh", if one of those turned up, as they were a lot more plush than the regular trains.
    Our station had one long platform and one short one, so you had to make sure you walked to the right end of the train before it stopped, or you'd end up with no platform to get out onto! If it was a really long train (which happened occasionally), if your section didn't stop at the platform, you were allowed to pull the emergency cord, the guard would come, and you had to ask the driver to shunt the train backwards or forwards, so that you could get out onto a platform! 😄
    I miss all of that! Also, there was a period of time when you had to request some of the trains to make a stop at Haddiscoe, or else they would go flying past!
    In my 20s and 30s, I got the travel bug, and lived/worked all over the uk, including the Scottish Highlands and Islands. It was a 12 hour journey to get back up to the Isle of Skye. I had to get the 6am train, and when it was dark, I had to flag the train down with a torch, or else it would just continue on, through the station.
    Sorry for rambling.
    Just brought back good memories, of a different era ☺

  • @toomanyhobbies2011
    @toomanyhobbies2011 3 года назад +2

    Glad you were able to show at least one clip of a slip coach separated from it's train.

  • @11holic11
    @11holic11 2 года назад +2

    I get to know the slip coach for the first time. Thank you for raising this topic.

  • @DiamondKingStudios
    @DiamondKingStudios 3 года назад +4

    I feel like the slip coach is a good example of British railroad ingenuity.
    Doubt there are modern applications for the slip coach, but it would be cool for there to be some.

  • @rvnmedic1968
    @rvnmedic1968 2 года назад +2

    Always learning something new that was very old. Cheers from Syracuse, NY! Bob

  • @RichardASK
    @RichardASK 4 года назад +2

    Very enjoyable video. I'm 69 and have been a railway fan all my life, but this was a concept, of which I'd never heard. Thank you.

  • @chrisjohnson6876
    @chrisjohnson6876 4 года назад +16

    Great info piece...being a bit of a train lover in my early teens (1969) have never heard of this practice. You live and learn! LoL Thanks!

  • @Craigrd
    @Craigrd 3 года назад +4

    A brilliant but short documentary of slip coaches. Very accurate ,with very good footage.
    WELL DONE!

  • @zanelindsay1267
    @zanelindsay1267 Месяц назад +1

    Fascinating, I watched it again! Rory calls it "an eccentric British railway novelty".

  • @davidfarmer2193
    @davidfarmer2193 4 года назад +145

    Thomas the Tank Engine brought me here, from the episode "Duck and the Slip Coaches"! :)

  • @PaulSmith-pl7fo
    @PaulSmith-pl7fo 4 года назад +11

    Thank you for a very interesting film. The idea of a slip coach is totally new to me; although, I'm not too surprised at its demise, being quite labour intensive.

  • @philipdown321
    @philipdown321 2 года назад +3

    I was on the slip coach for Banbury during the last week of it's operation in 1960. Quite an event if one is a railway enthusiast. I was bound for Bicester where I was doing National Service in the RAOC. Happy Days! - Phil Down

  • @milesmojave8223
    @milesmojave8223 2 года назад +3

    Today you taught me about something I never knew existed.
    Nicely done.

  • @johndoe1909
    @johndoe1909 3 года назад +9

    Great idea really! With todays equipment each coach could be motorised and able to connect and disconnect automatically without human intervention. A motorised coach could accelerate on its own and connect to a passing train.

  • @mpersad
    @mpersad 4 года назад +14

    This was something I had no idea about! Fascinating, thank you!

  • @zackbobby5550
    @zackbobby5550 4 года назад +38

    "Only ever ran a few times a day." ONLY a few times A DAY?!?! Here in the US if I wanna catch a train to somewhere I got wait for it to come later this WEEK lmao.

    • @planespottingnurnberg6418
      @planespottingnurnberg6418 4 года назад +3

      Here its a few times in an hour

    • @andrew_koala2974
      @andrew_koala2974 4 года назад +3

      The U.S. claiming to be a progressive country is largely retarded compared to Europe, Australia, and many other countries.
      This deficiency in Rail transportation is largely due to the Airlines having deep pockets with more cash than they admit to lobbying a long-time corrupt Congress, stating that rail will destroy the U.S. Airline business.
      And that is just based on a false premise.
      With people mostly driving everywhere it creates an enormous amount of air pollution.
      Overall the RePublic transport system in the U.S. is pathetic and inadequate.
      So much for U.S. being progressive. Just getting from JFK to Margate in N.J is a nightmare using P.T.
      even driving takes some 2h 35 minutes and so many tolls on the Garden State Parkway. It's a joke,
      And another unanswered question is:
      Why do we drive on a Parkway and Park on a Driveway?

    • @2H80vids
      @2H80vids 4 года назад +1

      @@andrew_koala2974 Same reason ships carry "cargo" and road vehicles carry "shipments".

    • @johnpotter4750
      @johnpotter4750 3 года назад

      Uk, Woking Station, Surrey. 06:30 - 24:17 Service each direction every hours general maintenance opportunity depending upon approaching first train movement & clearance.

    • @user2C47
      @user2C47 3 года назад +1

      @@andrew_koala2974 In the US, many cities have commuter trains similar to the system in London, and longer distance trains have to run on freight lines where freight trains have priority. You have to wait multiple days for one of those trains because the train takes multiple days to reach it's destination, simply due to the large distances involved.

  • @gerryc2795
    @gerryc2795 4 года назад +18

    In 1954 I was lucky enough to watch the guard through his door when we slipped from the Cornish Riviera train, the slip was into Par to form the service into Newquay, Cornwall

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 4 года назад +77

    This is fascinating. I had no idea this was done on purpose

    • @elijaha773
      @elijaha773 4 года назад +4

      Facinating is right!

    • @TrainBoi227
      @TrainBoi227 4 года назад +4

      That's why you should've watched Season 18 of Thomas & Friends lol

    • @redram5150
      @redram5150 4 года назад +1

      @@TrainBoi227 I forgot that was a documentary series

    • @informatimago
      @informatimago 3 года назад

      Indeed. So far the only example I had was in Tintin "Prisoners of the Sun" («Le Temple du Soleil»), ruclips.net/video/9ZF19rfA7GQ/видео.html

  • @janethartwig774
    @janethartwig774 4 года назад +7

    Fascinating video about something I’ve never heard of. What an interesting concept. Thanks for posting.

  • @harrypenn611
    @harrypenn611 4 года назад +2

    These are getting better and better can't wait for the next ,great stuff

  • @atgordon1948
    @atgordon1948 3 года назад +2

    A wonderfully well presented piece of railway antiquity!

  • @rich7787
    @rich7787 3 года назад +1

    What a fantastic channel! Thanks for your hard work, much appreciated!

  • @Josh_Fredman
    @Josh_Fredman 3 года назад +1

    The preserved one at the end, and its "charmed life" as you put it, made me smile. =]
    A beautiful, elegant little piece of history.

  • @MililaniJag
    @MililaniJag 4 года назад +8

    Very interesting! Never heard of it. Thinking outside the box. Sounds like FUN!! Cheers!!

  • @cnosprandt5155
    @cnosprandt5155 4 года назад +2

    Very clever approach. I had never heard of these. I can see how you definitely needed a high level of skill and timing for the conductor in slip coach lest it over or undershoot the station.

  • @ex48bw
    @ex48bw 4 года назад +1

    I think I know where I'm going for my summer holiday next year... :P Another splendid little film, thank you!

  • @grahamsowerby6087
    @grahamsowerby6087 4 года назад +1

    The classic way to present a documentary! Brilliant! Thanks!

  • @loganenglish3537
    @loganenglish3537 4 года назад +22

    You learn something new every day!

  • @marienbad2
    @marienbad2 4 года назад +1

    I never knew I needed to know about this but it was fascinating. I loved the opening comments about the Health and Safety handbook!

  • @Miner4472
    @Miner4472 4 года назад +4

    The first clip, i remember watching ages ago but never really looked into it. Great Video

  • @steadynumber1
    @steadynumber1 4 года назад +2

    I hadn't heard of slip coaches before. As a child though I was fascinated by the practice of slipping wagons at Shildon in NE England, and seeing the separated wagon being diverted onto the 'up' goods line of the station.

  • @TheCatOfWarCSGO
    @TheCatOfWarCSGO 4 года назад +143

    As you say it seems like it'd break every health and safety rule in the book- but I'm curious to know did any accidents happen with slip coaches?
    Other than that great video!

    • @railtrolley
      @railtrolley 4 года назад +26

      That and the practice of "loose shunting".

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 4 года назад +30

      I mean you'd be surprised at the practices that are still in use, humping at rail yards is still the norm. Some things just work. Though I imagine that like with rail yards if this was to come back into use we'd do things a bit differently, some rail yards use sleds embedded in the track to pull cars along instead of having shunting, I imagine we'd do something like that and possibly also install the brakes in the track rather than on the coach so it can be automated instead of relying on a human. The biggest concern is almost definitely the corridor which can just be eliminated and the risk presented by having a train in front that's so close, I imagine an automated system with brakes in the track could solve that as the coach could be automatically released and then slowed down to being a safe braking distance away from the train in front.

    • @hedgehog3180
      @hedgehog3180 4 года назад +13

      And also perhaps coming up with a different coupling system perhaps based on magnets that'd allow recoupling if that's needed.

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb 4 года назад +8

      So we now have 'loose shunting', 'fly shunting' and 'hump shunting'. I know and understand the latter but what are the other two ?

    • @pgtmr2713
      @pgtmr2713 4 года назад +8

      @@hedgehog3180 Something like a metal fin under the train like a linear brake instead of a rotor. With a series of calipers on the trackside. Something like what rollercoasters use.

  • @ThomasTankAlex01
    @ThomasTankAlex01 2 года назад +3

    I really hope the slip coaches from Thomas & Friends will be merchandise in the future. Because I have been waiting forever.

  • @zanelindsay1267
    @zanelindsay1267 Год назад +1

    I've always been curious about this practice and the video provides more information than what I knew previously.

  • @georgecoles9942
    @georgecoles9942 2 года назад +1

    For the record, 'clerestory' is usually pronounded ' clear story' (and sometimes 'clerestory'). Calling it 'clear storey' defines what it is!
    Apart from that, a great compilation. Thanks for doing the research.

  • @roygardiner2229
    @roygardiner2229 2 года назад +1

    I never heard of this before. It has surprised me greatly :-) ! Thank you.

  • @Martin_Adams184
    @Martin_Adams184 4 года назад +8

    A good piece. Well done!
    I never saw a slip coach in operation, but the coaches themselves lasted a number of years after the last slip-coach services in 1960. I clearly remember seeing them in South Wales, where I lived. They were a rather rare but distinctive sight during the years 1959-1963, marshalled in the stock of a local train, or into one of those long trains to the western resorts, when an extra coach might be added en route if the train from Paddington was full. I cannot remember if all the slipping mechanisms were still in place; but the tell-tale things were the window at one end, the lack of corridor connection and, on at least one coach I remember seeing at Whitland, the word "Slip" prominent at that end.
    Thank you for an engaging video. Further down this page I've given a detailed reply to TheCatOfWar, who asked about accidents. I know of two.

  • @wideyxyz2271
    @wideyxyz2271 4 года назад +1

    Great piece and very well presented.

  • @hb6986
    @hb6986 4 года назад +1

    What an excellent vid and very well produced, thank you

  • @RailRocketRicky
    @RailRocketRicky 4 года назад +19

    What a wonderful and interesting video all about the Slip Coaches. :)

  • @darrenking6026
    @darrenking6026 4 года назад +2

    Like most here, I've never heard of this either. However, now when my Hornby model trains accidentally uncouple when going around my layout, I can now say that they haven't accidentally uncoupled but are actually slip coaches!!! Ha ha ha... Cheers for the upload and info.

  • @philipm1009
    @philipm1009 4 года назад +3

    Great video nice to see Irish railway history of slip coaches thanks for making 👌🚂

  • @dmv5552
    @dmv5552 4 года назад +1

    Another interesting video with plenty of information on a long forgotten railway practice. As an addition my August 1955 Bradshaws shows eight slip coaches still operating, all on the Great Western Region! Two were unusual as they were detached from West of England expresses at Westbury and stopped in the countryside near Heywood Road Junction from where they were taken by a tank engine in to the station nearly a mile away on a loop line. They then formed a train to Weymouth. The others were the Bicester slip from the 1710 Birmingham to Wolverhampton shown in the video and three others at Didcot slipped from Bristol or Fishguard trains and two at Reading slipped from Bristol/Cardiff trains.

  • @barrydysert2974
    @barrydysert2974 3 года назад +1

    i had never even heard of this service! Thank you so much sharing. Absolutely fascinating!:-) 🖖

  • @Einstein52
    @Einstein52 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for this interesting historic documentation about a variation in railway operating technology, I never have heard before.

  • @peteacher52
    @peteacher52 2 года назад +1

    Very well researched, assembled and presented.

  • @alstokesveteranfilmmaker913
    @alstokesveteranfilmmaker913 3 года назад +1

    Back in the 1970s, I made a film for a mate who was converting a disused branch line station into house. It had a 'spare' platform which seemed a bit pointless until the owner explained it for the slip coach - a long and wonderful explanation followed. All I can remember of it was the branch line was on the Great Western Railway and the slip coach platform was owned by some Lord or other who was famous for leading a charge at Waterloo.

  • @ozzietadziu
    @ozzietadziu 4 года назад +148

    A fascinating oddity. Typical British ingenuity.

    • @WineScrounger
      @WineScrounger 4 года назад +11

      We love getting weird 👍

    • @applecounty
      @applecounty 4 года назад +1

      I believe one of the American Railway/Railroad companies experimented with the concept.

    • @donaldstanfield8862
      @donaldstanfield8862 3 года назад +1

      Keep the train on time!

    • @bostonrailfan2427
      @bostonrailfan2427 3 года назад +2

      because others wouldn’t be dumb enough to cutoff coaches and let them glide into the station, they’d either schedule a stop or not include it on an express!
      if they have an engine there to move the coach, why couldn’t said engine be at a preceding station stop and be used to pull the coach to the intended station? that’s the real waste

    • @davidjones332
      @davidjones332 3 года назад +5

      @@bostonrailfan2427 He really doesn't explain the concept clearly. The point was that the slip coach was usually used to provide a through service to a branch line destination not served by the express. It was generally coupled to a waiting local train, rather than just being shunted to a siding.

  • @barefooboy17
    @barefooboy17 3 года назад +1

    Great video! Never heard of a slip coach until this video!

  • @s0nnyburnett
    @s0nnyburnett 4 года назад +10

    This was not what I was expecting it to be about.
    Can't imagine being a passenger on an Amtrak train, walking forward only to see the conductor holding a big lever in the vestibule and the rest of the train missing ahead.

  • @williamevans9426
    @williamevans9426 4 года назад +1

    Fascinating - I was totally unaware of such a concept!!

  • @simonjames3845
    @simonjames3845 4 года назад +1

    Lot of very interesting Irish footage in this video. As well as a superb view of a GE Claud in LNER livery.

  • @papalaz4444244
    @papalaz4444244 2 года назад +2

    Fascinating. I have genuinely never heard of that ever.

  • @mikegmdw1
    @mikegmdw1 3 года назад +1

    Fascinating - thankyou for this very informative video of which I knew nothing even though I consider myself a railway enthusiast.

  • @colinsymes
    @colinsymes 4 года назад +1

    Excellent and informative video, thank you for posting.

  • @vivekraychowdhury4348
    @vivekraychowdhury4348 3 года назад +1

    Slip coaches are still in some railways outside of UK. Thanks for this very interesting upload.

  • @anotherluckyone
    @anotherluckyone 4 года назад +1

    Thank you for making this video. I never knew such a practice existed.

  • @NeilFLiversidge
    @NeilFLiversidge 4 года назад +1

    I learn something new every day. Thank you!

  • @Clivestravelandtrains
    @Clivestravelandtrains 3 года назад +1

    Fascinating. Well done Ruairidh.

  • @MarkJT1000
    @MarkJT1000 4 года назад +15

    Never knew they did this. Presumably there was a 2nd light on the rear of the carriage in front of the slip coach. But I would have thought any time saved by not stopping at the slip station would have been lost by the longer time required to stop and re-couple the carriage on the way back.

    • @matt47110815
      @matt47110815 4 года назад +1

      Time for RailRoad operations, maybe. The acceleration of the older Engines were poor.
      For the Travelers in the Express part of the Train, it was A LOT of time saved.

    • @TreniFS_
      @TreniFS_ 4 года назад +2

      Yes, at 2:55 you can see that the last car before the slip had its own tail lights.
      I'm also perplexed by the fact that this might be fast for passengers headed to a small station, but very slow for the trains used by the ones who are departing from there.

    • @Mark1024MAK
      @Mark1024MAK 4 года назад +4

      MarkJT1000 - the return would presumably have been via a slow stopping all stations trains at an off peak time, or via an empty stock train.

  • @peterarmand6814
    @peterarmand6814 3 года назад +1

    excellent production.

  • @judgedredd8657
    @judgedredd8657 4 года назад +26

    In freight operations. At least in canada we call that a drop or a Dutch drop when you sling a car into a track with a wrong facing switch. Similar to this

    • @applecounty
      @applecounty 4 года назад

      I would love to see this on film (RUclips). Do you have a link?

    • @judgedredd8657
      @judgedredd8657 4 года назад

      @@applecounty it's called a Dutch drop. I'm sure there are some videos on RUclips of it. And yes still done in canada in occasion

    • @Colonel_Blimp
      @Colonel_Blimp 4 года назад +2

      Judge Dredd we used to do this in yards in New Zealand with freight. We called it slipping. Banned along with kicking.

    • @klausstock8020
      @klausstock8020 3 года назад

      Saw that in Germany as a kid, but this is performed at low speed. Not passenger express train speed.

    • @richardheizmann2756
      @richardheizmann2756 3 года назад +1

      Two examples with train arriving from left:
      ---------- Moving train on lower track uncouples car(s), races ahead to a stop on main, switch thrown,. reverses and races into upper track, switch thrown, car(s) roll into the main and are handbraked.
      I've always understood the first to be a flying drop and the second to be a dutch drop, but I may be wrong or it might be a regional US thing. Apparently Reading Company employees were fond of the practice and popularized it. Since the Reading was centered in the Pennsylvania Dutch (really German) country of SE PA that may be the origin of the move's name.
      The dutch drop required steadier nerves and a trusted crew. You'd be accelerating toward a car(s) rolling your way. A balky switch, an engine hiccup, a switchman slip or trip might ruin your plan, day or career. Management frowned on both the safety and damage liabilities involved and this practice was outlawed by most roads and probably the Feds by mid-century.

  • @Momo_Kawashima
    @Momo_Kawashima 3 года назад +1

    This reminds me the time me and my family took the Rome-Milan train. We see the train slow down to a halt, we watch behind us and we notice the coaches behind us disappeared and we can see the full panorama. We spent 45 minutes dead on the tracks before starting again

  • @johnjephcote7636
    @johnjephcote7636 3 года назад +1

    The 2nd model coach I ever built from scratch (in the early 1980s) was a 4mm EM gauge concertina (70 foot) slip coach of the GWR. 'Concertina', because of its recessed, flat doors. They were still being used on the Bicester slip in 1959 tho' by then fifty years old (built 1906).

  • @bruceboatwright7488
    @bruceboatwright7488 4 года назад +1

    I learned something new today! Fascinating.

  • @tracyyy99
    @tracyyy99 3 года назад +1

    As is said by others, I never knew this practice existed...Very informative piece of film.

  • @sianmickiewicz4877
    @sianmickiewicz4877 3 года назад +1

    Superb !!-Ian 👍👍

  • @jyoules9833
    @jyoules9833 4 года назад +7

    Brilliant video, thak you!

  • @alanrobertson9790
    @alanrobertson9790 4 года назад +1

    Good video educating me about a lesser known topic.

  • @jayburgh
    @jayburgh 4 года назад +1

    Ruairidh I never knew about the slips being used in Ireland. Thanks a million for that mighty useful information.

    • @peterarmand6814
      @peterarmand6814 3 года назад +1

      A publication from the Oakwood press very good .A History or Slipping and Slip Carriages. Send for their catalogue

  • @patoffcuriosity4727
    @patoffcuriosity4727 4 года назад +8

    Another amazing motion history video mate!

  • @andrewcawood1364
    @andrewcawood1364 4 года назад +1

    Very good i enjoyed watching.

  • @balasambasivan1815
    @balasambasivan1815 2 года назад +1

    Indian railways also had slip coaches few decades back. This coaches will be detached at an important junction and attached to connecting train. I never saw detaching slip coaches from fast moving train.

  • @johnbrown9092
    @johnbrown9092 4 года назад +3

    I am amazed! Worked on railway for 49 years and never heard of them!!

    • @Jakob_DK
      @Jakob_DK 4 года назад +1

      You should watch more Thomas the tank engine :-)

    • @johnbrown9092
      @johnbrown9092 4 года назад +1

      Jakob Soland Engbæk Maybe!

    • @Jakob_DK
      @Jakob_DK 4 года назад

      Browndale Heritage Railway. John Brown
      Slip coaches are important in several episodes: ttte.fandom.com/wiki/Slip_Coaches
      But yes you are probably at a higher level and most with Thomas is for very young children.

  • @davidsheriff8989
    @davidsheriff8989 3 года назад +1

    Educated..never knew this all my life and I grew up in the steam era...well explained

  • @BazColne
    @BazColne 4 года назад +2

    Interesting. Well-commentated. Many thanks.

  • @joewilson9962
    @joewilson9962 4 года назад +1

    Fascinating! Thank you!

  • @atakd
    @atakd 3 года назад +1

    Great to watch something I'd never heard of before.

  • @nickthegog
    @nickthegog 4 года назад +1

    Very interesting, thanks for posting

  • @JamesSmith-mv9fp
    @JamesSmith-mv9fp 2 года назад +1

    LOTS MORE TECHNICAL DETAILS ON "SLIPPING".
    On GWR lines, the operation of "Slip" coaches, also required the use of "Slipping Distants"(Signals). Which were a smaller version (3ft arm) of a normal Distant (4ft or 5ft arm), placed lower down the mast beneath the normal Distant. Indeed being the GWR you could also find Splitting slip Distants. The best known example being the Up Reading West Gantry on the Berks & Hants line approach to Reading General Station. This gantry had two Slip Distants (side by side) low down on the main vertical gantry support column. Two were required because slipping coaches from Up expresses heading for London was allowed on both the Up Main Through (no platform through line) & the Up Main Loop (Platform line).
    Slip Distants were needed for the train crew including the "Slip Guard", to assure All, that a clear line without speed restriction had already been set. Various minimum speeds were required at the various slipping positions before the relevant station, or the Slip might not make it to where it was supposed to stop ! Down expresses to the West of England slipped coach(es) for Westbury. But as Westbury station was on a loop line not the bypass line, slips for Westbury had to be made at Westbury East Junction a mile from the station. A pannier tank was usually waiting at the junction to collect the slip coach(es).
    Slipping distants were mechanically interlocked with the normal distant so could NOT be pulled "off" until the main distant above indicated clear. A normal Distant signal indicated that ALL stop signals through that signalboxes complete area were also clear ! Which is one of the fundamental rules of the "Absolute Block" system. i.e Only ONE train allowed per running line per signalbox AREA.
    Because signalmen in mechanical signalbox areas were also responsible for checking every trains tail lamp, before belling "Train out of section". There was a heavy responsibility upon them, to also ensure trains with slips were displaying the correct combination. Imagine if the last slip had accidentally been left behind on a train normally hauling two or even three slips !!!!
    SLIP BRAKING
    Slip coaches also had a number of vacuum brake tanks to "store more vacuum" than normal coaches. This was to allow the Slip Guard a reserve of brake power in case of unforeseen eventualities, and permitted two & a half, full brake applications. There were different types of slip coaches including one ended slips and dual ended slip types. Because the "Slip Guard" effectively drove a train if only for a minute or so, and had to be trained in the use of the slip controls they were a higher grade & pay scale !
    SLIP SERVICES
    The Down "Cornish Riviera" at various times in its History and especially in Summer "slipped" as many as 3 separate portions. Most typically at Westbury (for the Weymouth line) at Taunton (for the Barnstaple line) and at Exeter for Exeter itself. In Summer this train was non stop from London (Paddington) to Plymouth 225 miles, and the Worlds longest non stop run until the LNER Flying Scotsman began London - Edinburgh non stop 393 miles in the mid 1930's.
    Although not clear in the programme the BR Western Region between 1948 & 1960 was running a number of slip services. Apart from Banbury. Reading, Westbury, Taunton & Exeter also had one or more slips per day.
    TAIL LAMPS
    Tail lamps on trains with slip portions were therefore somewhat complex, as follows: The main train last coach had a normal single red oil tail lamp. A first slip behind the last normal coach carried Two lamps on the left hand side, side by side. The left hand lamp being red, and the right hand lamp white. If a second slip was also included behind the first slip, then this coach also had two lamps but positioned vertically one above the other. The upper lamp was the usual red lensed type, but the lower lamp was white. If a 3rd slip was attached behind the second slip, then THREE lamps were required on this vehicles rear end. In this case the lamps were again on the left hand side, but hung in a triangular formation. The centre upper lamp was a red lamp. The lower left lamp was white, and the lower right lamp was also red.
    MODELS
    I'm not aware that any commercial manufacture has ever produced a model of any type of slip coach. However in OO scale "Comet Coaches", now part of "Wizard Models", produce at least one ex GWR type, in etched brass kit form. Either a complete kit including all parts except paint glue & transfers. Or the option of just buying the etched brass coach sides, and any other bits you want, can be applied to a Bachmann Collett Sunshine type coach model, by hacking the plastic sides off, and replacing them !
    References: A Pictorial Record of Great Western Signalling by A Vaughan. Published by OPC.
    This book shows slip signals, coaches and even the tail lamp codes, along with the rules of Absolute Block. Permissive Block & even Electric Token Block signalling. .

  • @Peter-bg5gy
    @Peter-bg5gy 3 года назад +1

    Seems brilliantly efficient.

  • @AakashKalaria
    @AakashKalaria 4 года назад +31

    It looks dangerous but damn cool!

    • @bingola45
      @bingola45 4 года назад

      What is it that 'looks dangerous'?

    • @AakashKalaria
      @AakashKalaria 4 года назад +1

      @@bingola45 A rogue wagon, sure it has a person who can break. But... The coach is still on the mainline.

  • @Joester1908
    @Joester1908 3 года назад +1

    Great video! Thank you

  • @tonymusic4773
    @tonymusic4773 4 года назад +1

    Excellent video

  • @pat8593
    @pat8593 4 года назад +1

    im surprised ive never heard of this. great video.

  • @tryithere
    @tryithere 4 года назад +1

    I've never even heard of this before. Very interesting.