Vinyl has changed the way I listen to music. Listening to a record is like drinking whiskey or smoking a cigar. You gotta devote time to it. It makes me stop and actually be in the moment. I'm listening to full albums and not able to skip from one popular track to the next. So choosing the albums I collect is a more involved thing. I love it. Thank you for the videos!
I have a woodstove in same room as TT. Careful care and cleaning gives me listening pleasure. Went twenty years without listening to vinyl due to moving to Alaska and now have modest system that gives me joy . I also like SACD and streaming through Apple TV - watching concerts is fun for me. I did keep old records and enjoy purchasing repressing and comparing. I also love new artists. I wish everyone happiness no matter how they listen to music and would say that respecting others listening preferences is the way to go.
When people say things like “it doesn’t matter how careful you are” and then follow up with a load of negativity are clearly just not careful people. I do think vinyl done well has to appeal a certain type of personality. Usually one that boarders on compulsive obsessive. I definitely put myself in that category. I’ve got vinyl from the 1980s still in new condition and I do play them often. Some people are just not cut out for taking care of things.
In my late teens/ early 20s, a buddy of mine literally tossed his records in the floor before putting on the next one. I always sat by with a beer and silently toasting his scratched up records.
Well… in today’s world we have a lot of options and we can choose the way we want to listen to the music. I use, for example, the Spotify streaming service, mainly as a medium for non engaging listening, to play a music in the background during my different activities. If I want to become familiar with new band or new album, then it’s easy to listen to it on streaming. If I love to listen to some album I try find the best issue, no matter if it is on CD or vinyl. Some recordings I prefer to listen to on CD, some on vinyl. That’s my personal preference. Even though I have dozens of album on vaw, flac and even dsd files, I listen to them very rarely. They do not have the „magic” of the physical recordings. I never treated vinyl as a best medium for the music, but it has something that I cannot find even on CDs - the magic, the ritual, the atmosphere, something that allow me to enjoy music, to go deeper into it. Vinyl sucks? If talking about technical point of view probably it can be true, especially when comparing to the dsd or pcm files. But when we are talking about taking full pleasure from listening to the music, vinyl wins, at least at my home.
It will always win in our home too. As a matter of fact my wife is streaming music while we some housework. Tonight when we settle down for the day it'll be vinyl for us.
Completely agree with how good the new Animals remix is,however what i have noticed with newer vinyl since the vinyl comeback lol,is that the quality control seems to be poor,quite often i get a bad pressing straight out of the wrapping,pops,tiks and crackles on a brand new record,it's a long time ago but i don't seem to recall having these issues in the 70s/80s,however when it all comes together i still don't think you can beat vinyl as a listening format, i have a mate who disagrees and always asks why i keep buying vinyl when you can just stream it for free or whack a CD in,ive always told him that i like those formats too,but when i stream music or play a CD i will usually mess about doing other things too,ie emails,browsing the web etc, i don't know why but when i play a vinyl record i just sit and listen i have no urge to do anything other than enjoy the music,that's what vinyl is about to me
Same here, David. At the end of the day it's 2-3 records to relax to. Doing nothing else but listening. Good point about the physical quality leaving alot to be desired. I have plans to reach out to pressing plants to start a list of great quality control processes.
Since getting back into vinyl two years or so ago, I periodically make little videos for my Facebook page of my modest equipment playing a recent purchase or just an old favorite. The feedback I get is always positive. I do have one friend who continually teases me with the "vinyl sucks" comment (not under my posted videos though) and I patiently explain to him about subjective listening experiences... the joy of observing the mechanics of the music playing process... the nostalgia I feel for the sound of a needle settling into the groove... and most of all (for me) the fact that I listen much more carefully to music again now that I have to make an effort to play it. It falls on deaf ears (as does my preference for pre-digital practical effects in movies over CGI and AI). Well, it's his loss. :)
No matter how careful? Yes, alcoholic blackouts do that. I got a childhood friend back into HiFi. He complained about noisy records, as if it was the normal state of vinyl. I told him not to play mistreated records from his high school years (‘70s) but to buy and play new or nm, vg+ discs. He did and now he’s fully committed to LPs again. Ignorance is no bliss at all.
Hello, I’m a new viewer and subscriber. I realize this video is a month old, however, I’d like to address the records are noisy comment regardless of care. First off, I like records. I grew up with them as I’m 70. I started buying again a few years ago. I bought a RT-85. I replaced the “Blue” with a AT VM 95ML. I know how to setup a TT. So, you can see my gear is competent. Now the point. I bought a brand new album. Pulled it out handling with utmost care, cleaned with D4 and a nice brush. First thing I heard was click/pop after the stylus gently came down. I was actually amazed and amused.
One of the best things about watching you is your sense of humor, even when you are addressing a not so great subject! That montage was amazing and had me LOL! The people that trash vinyl seemed to either have little experience or just don't or have ever learned how to best experience it! We that appreciate vinyl are an amazing group! Keep up the great (and entertaining) work!
I recently tweaked my system and bought a better turntable to get a better experience when listening to my vinyl collection. I had rarely played records over the last two decades, preferring CDs and more recently streaming. The first new record I bought to try the new turntable was the 2018 remix of Animals. It sounded amazing, and even though I had streamed it before in hi-res, I prefer how the vinyl sounds. I also find the experience of playing vinyl much more relaxing and 'mindful' than streaming. I'm hoping this mindfulness will offset the stress produced by the price of new records!
Vinyl indeed sucks. It's expensive while at the same time, you have to be extremely lucky to get a clean copy. You have to baby it, clean it, brush it, put it in a protective sleeve... It commands your attention while playing it. BUT I love it. The moment the needle touches the grooves and sound jumps out of your speakers it's like magic.
Great video as usual. There will always be trolls. But the trolls crack when the sun shines on them. Please continue with the vinyl videos. Because vinyl records are a big part of the lives of many of us😁 All the best from Norway 🎸🥁
Some people think their opinions are the only ones that matter, so they trash other peoples opinions. I like vinyl, cds, and streaming. I can make a case for one format being better than another with all three of them. I like vinyl for a more natural sound. I like cds for a more carefree format that I can also play in the car. I like streaming for its convenience and the ability to listen to far more than I could ever purchase and own on either vinyl or cds. The fact is, all three of these formats sound great if you have the right setup for each one, which I do. Collecting music on a physical medium is a hobby. It can be very enjoyable. So my advice to someone who says vinyl sucks is, great then don't collect any records. But I like collecting them myself, so I really don't care what you think about it. 😊
I have been playing Vinly for 56 years with great pleasure. The record covers are often works of art that enhance the enjoyment of music on vinyl I also listen to CDs and music on Spotify, for example. Preferably listening to music from a vinyl record. Also occasionally with a record changer. Enjoyed watching your video
It's not about inferior vs superior, it's about "The Joy of Vinyl Records". I drive a rusty old car. Yes I could buy a bright new and shiny model, but I love the old car. It might not have power windows, but they do roll down. It might not have fancy climate control but the heater works great. It might not have fuel injection but the 4-barrel carb has some nice snap to it. And much like my old car, I find my records (while being old school and I won't dispute the advantages of newer technology) always do something that the newer ones often don't, and that's bring a smile to my face.
Ok, Durring 70's and early 80' I bought lp's and recorded to cassette to preserve lp condition. But by the 90s, I was buying only cd's. I lost interest in my lp's and sold my albums😢 . I rarely bought music for 20 years because most music at the time was not worth buying. By 2015 I began buying cd's again, re placing my sold lp's on cd mostly because of space, but also because of cost and availability in cf format. I am extremely glad for the resurgence in lp's and even cd's because I want a physical copy. The lp with the art work is the ultimate music for the collector, but I am happy with my cd's. I can not understand enjoying only streaming with no physical copy to own!??
lol. I was wondering when someone would pause it long enough to read who the artist was. To be honest I have no idea. It showed up in a mailer when I bought other albums. I actually ended up with two of them. This one was scratched. So it became my demo disc. 🤣
I bought a copy of "annie get your gun" from Goodwill once for a quarter. It was the soundtrack with Doris day, and it was pretty dirty with a pretty damaged jacket. I took it home and did my "dawn and paint trim brush" cleaning and dropped the needle. It literally sounded brand new. And dead quiet. Interestingly, the recording is also fantastic. As I like to say, the industry really had it dialed in back around 1960, which may be why a lot of that recording hardware is coveted to this day. If you are at all interested, search "Recording In A 1950s Style Recording Studio" in youtube. I'm not supplying a link because I think it breaks the post. It's a 35 minute documentary about a working studio in the UK that completely replicates a 1950's studio. Anyone that loves analogue should find it very interesting.
A St. Patricks Day Quiz... Because what could be more fun for people, than getting drunk while trying to figure out Brainteasers? Answers will be given on this channel's next video, here in the comments section by me. 1. What rock group who've had three albums that have made it to #1, are often thought of as a German group because of a hit song named after a German place? They are in reality British/Irish 2. Which company's modified Grado cartridge, rebadged under this company's own name, was one of high end audio's underground favorites in the 1980s? Befitting it's very natural sound, it's model name, was known as The Green 3. What was the first musical instrument played in outer space? 4. What is BY FAR the most valuable record lp. Estimated to have a value of many millions of dollars, if it could be found and brought back home? It has an Irish tie in. 5. What restaurant is known for their Shamrock Shake? 6. Every year Chicago dyes their river green for St. Patricks day? What interesting & very descriptive thing does the word Chicago mean? 7. What popular lp record clamp from many decades ago was named after a green part of a plant? 8. What cereal's TV commercial always ended with the words "They're Magically Delicious!"? 9. Which of these seasonings and condiments had a rock group named after them, with the groups Irish leader's full name included in the name of the group? A. Ketchup. B. Paprika. C. Salt. D. Pepper. E. Mustard 10. What audio items have a well known nickname, named after an animal that is associated with St. Patricks Day? Keep answers to yourself so as not to ruin it for others.
Here are four Bonus Questions related to things associated with St. Patricks Day. 1. Name a familiar Irish Pop/Rock Band which has two words in their group name, who released an album with a two word title with one of the words being a color. 2. St. Patrick was said to have driven all the snakes/serpents out of Ireland. Name two rock groups (besides Whitesnake), whose names have the word Snake in it. 3. Name a recording by an ultra famous Jazz musician, in which ever track (of many) has color in its title? 4. Name the city which has the highest % of company CEO's that are of Irish descent. It's not in New England. 5. Name the artist with the name of a color in their name that released a single called Pot Of Gold.
As i listen to vinyl my breath takes me into the recording studio where it all happened...now that you can't hear on a cd or anything else to that matter. Yes 55 years collecting from my fav artist CONNIE FRANCIS, i have a 1000 collection on her. Some of her very rare too like the Australian copy in Stereo AWARD WINNING MOTION PICTURE HITS which has the original playbacks[only issued in Australia and New Zealand 1962 recorded in RCA ITALIANA Rome Italy. While the album was released [1963] elsewhere a year after this and we got the original vocal dubbed onto re recorded playbacks. Connie was a genius in the recording studio. All the best from Athens, Greece.
Vinyl. Cd. Tape. All media has it's cool esthetics and sound. All have their drawbacks and flaws but I use and love them all. I find benefits and annoyances from all my media
Please, Please, Please. Can we call them for what they are known. (RECORDS) not vinyl… After all you did not do to the “Record Store” to buy vinyl, you went there to buy a record. Please people, use the right term. Thank you
@@RudyTarde record is a pretty broad term. Record could describe multiple formats. One could still buy a record by buying a cd or even a digital file, et cetera
Hi Rick , like you I don’t understand why people who don’t like vinyl want to watch videos about vinyl. What I would do is just ignore them and not even comment on their negativity. Maybe they just like to be controversial. These people would say black when it’s white and so on. So like you again I’m just going to enjoy my vinyl and your videos and stuff them. Take care. 👍
I didn’t get back into vinyl for a ‘superior listening experience’, I got back into it as I enjoy the album artwork, seeing the mechanics of the turntable working, listening to the needle run-in and find the groove, and taking an hour to really listen to an album as the artist intended, not cherry picking tracks. It’s also a porthole to my past, into my teenage years when I first discovered how amazing and transformative music could be, and I still find it just as life affirming now I’m several decades older. Maybe CDs and mp3s have better sound quality, but they also have less charm and character.
Absolutely. I’m listening to some old ZZ Top and I remember vividly walking by the school parking lot and hearing “La Grange” blasting from car stereos. So long ago but the music takes me right back. Not always for better but it’s still mental time travel
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsExactly! Whenever I listen to an early James album I’m 16 again, and down in the mosh pit having the breath squeezed out of me, and being pulled out onto the stage by security 😂 There is one band I can’t listen to anymore though, too many not so great associations, I still keep a couple of their signed records though, but never play them. But I think these memories, good and bad, just show quite how enmeshed with music we are in our formative years, and how essential music stays in the lives of so many of us. As the saying goes, ‘music is life’.
I haven't purchased a vinyl record in 40 years. Perhaps today's vinyl records are a better quality than back in the 1960's, 70's and early 80's when I was buying records. I mean, ok, I didn't have the greatest turntable. I just remember skips, pops, surface noise, warped records, etc. But it was fine, it was part of the game. Quite frankly, I often toy with the idea of getting back into vinyl, but I'm afraid the cost and dedication may be a bit much at this point. I'm not sure I want to go back to cleaning the record, cleaning the needle, replacing the needle/cartridge, poly-lined sleeves, sleeves for the record jackets, etc, etc. Now I just pop a cd into the player press "play" and relax for 40 minutes or so. But believe me, back in the day, caring for and playing my records was a blast. I loved it. Oh yeah, quick edit, I just like watching videos by those of love and collect vinyl.
Thank you for watching! Jumping back into vinyl is an investment in time and money. For me, the enjoyment is worth it - especially in this crazy world of today. You don't have to collect to always be welcome here 🍺🍺🍺
Mercury "Living Presence" classical vinyl from the mid 1950s (mono). A real treat to hear. One microphone, hung 15 feet above the conductor. The CD reissues are terrific, but nothing beats the vinyl. I found half a dozen mint albums at a local thrift store. 10 cents each. I'm in heaven.
No kidding. I have some classical mono sets recorded from the 50's(my parent's stuff). Spectacular recordings even with a stereo cart. I don't have enough of them to consider a mono cart. I wished I had picked up more from the thrift stores back in the day. They were practically giving them away. I did go to town on old Xmas albums though and then recorded the 'best of' on RTR. Treat to listen to them every year during the season. And those goofy "MannHeim Steamroller" Xmas cassettes from back in the day....lol.
Hi Rick, as always, love your video! I noticed you pointing out your Boston accent. One of my favourite bands is from Boston: Buffalo Tom! They have just released a new album and i’m looking forward to see them perform live on the Come as you are festival this year!
How many times have we heard "The highs get wiped off the first play." I can only say not on a proper turntable that is properly setup with a decent cartridge. Some assume there are lots of distracting pops but haven't actually had a decent turntable. One guy at work came in one day and said he heard a friend's turntable and was surprised at how low the noise level was! He had mostly MP3s because he had so many.
This is the difference between an in person group like a book club or even a specialized online forum & a forum that is not only publicly available but served to RUclips users auto-magically. I enjoy watching channels discussing science fiction like Frederick Pohl, Ray Bradbury, *X-Files* etc., but I'll also get Y-Tube posts about 1960's cheese like *Lost In Space* or "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Should I delete those (probably) or reply with "How old are you? Nine?!?" (I don't get quite so snarky). Maybe I'll suggest "You might enjoy the Netflix reboot." I enjoy some of my LPs a lot, others have issues that only an alternative format can fix. No, they don't get scratched if you keep them clean!
It's all well and good until somebody gets hurt. I have a friend I've known for 45 years, records have literally ruined his life, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on what once was a love of music and has turned into a full blown obsession, he has close to 400,000 records 99% of which he has never played. I just went to his house which is very large to help him put 15 boxes of records in his basement, thats around 1,000 right there, in the last couple of months he has bought around 2,000 records,, that's practically a normal person's whole collection. There are records in ever single room of his house the majority are in the basement which is huge, the ones i took to the basement were in his front hallway, you couldn't open the front door, when rhey were delivered he couldn't lift them and there was no where else to put them so they stayed in the front vestibule. I haven't even mentioned the thousands of CDs cassettes reel to reel laserdiscs and video tapes he has, he might just be the worse hoarder of recorded material ever. Here's the sad part, the ones in the cellar have turned moldy even though they're in boxes, the boxes are on the concrete floor and there is no circulation of air down there, all the vintage equipment is moldy, the ten or so reel to reel decks the receivers the amps everything, we are not young guys I'm 64 he's 63 and not in the best of health I'm a little beter but not much, i have been after him for years to let me help him, I have tried but f anyone knows a true hoarder it's very difficult, things got worse when his wife committed suicide due to his hoarding. I told him to cut his losses and get somebody in to evaluate and buy everything, but he says that a lot of the records are worh more money than he'll get so he'd rather just keep them with the hope that some day he'll actually have room enough to set up something that he can listen to them on, I'm afraid that will never happen, the interesting thing is that he knows what he has, he just doesn't know where it is, i asked him if he had a certain record one time, he brought me in the cellar and said it should be in one of these boxes and sure enough it was.
Newly produced albums suck, i.e., artists, manufacturing, distribution, then Yes, " vinyl sucks" , outside of that , albums are great !! Ive been byuing albums from '77 to the present, backed off Drastically sinse the early 90's , the CD years ( not a fan), so the question arises , how do I know new albums suck??, the opinion comes from observing the comments from RUclips channels, e.g., " aww paper scuffs... aww my new vinyl is warped ...aww , boo hoo this , boo hoo that and yad yad ya!!😭😭😭 Save yourselves some tears, vintage is the way to go, when record manufacturing was an art now its just a scam
Sound quality is to the individual. We have multiple choices of formats to meet our individual needs. If the gentleman that made the comment didn't get his groove on with vinyl, he can certainly get his bits of sonic happiness from the CD format. That may be the only place where he will find happiness though. Why? Because if he goes to the tape format, something tells me he will eventually have a hissy fit. --- Bill
Hey Brudda, my personal re-entry into the world of Hi-Fi sound and more specifically vinyl records, well, it has brought me much needed, constructive, joy. Between my kids growing and moving away to college and a life of their own, the end of my 20 year marriage, and my declining health, JOY was something that had become a stranger. For me, vinyl records has given me something that I so desperately needed and need. And you are among the few RUclips producers who I enjoy and understand and trust. In the grand scheme of things of things, if your videos bring only me happiness, it's still something that I am extremely grateful for. Btw, I just bought another fully restored 1979 integrated Amplifier. This time the Yamaha CR-620. I just love the Yamaha sound. My 1979 Pioneer SA-5800 sounds fabulous, but that Yamaha sound is the sound that I went searching for 3 years, 10 receivers, and 15,000 vinyl records ago. Lolol. That particular truth is both ridiculous and hilarious. Thank you Brudda Keep Spinnin' Bungeebill Hood Rat Records 🎩✌️🐀🧿
This meant alot to read, and I hope your health improves. I love restored vintage equipment. I dont think I ever mentioned this on the channel but we had a chance to buy a fully restored 1910 Edison Wax phonograph. It was being offered for a great price and came with wax cylinders. The gentleman demonstrated it for us and we were enamored with it. We ultimately passed and I still wish we hadn't. Cheers!! 🍺🍺🍺
I had a friend who was making fun of me about my records fixation. I just invited him over to listen. It was nice to see his face changing after the first few notes of "Beat it" by Michael Jackson 😅
With 60 years of collecting and caring for my records one thing that drives me nuts is DUST. You cannot avoid it. Even with anti static sleeves, a Zerostat and climate control it's always there. Just looking at a record will attract it. We really are filthy animals.
MoFi makes a really nice pure cleaning solution. Mine generally play very quietly. A carbon fiber anti static brush dry and then a wet brush works wonders. I never had much luck with Zerostat guns.
Does it make dense to Buy a Vinyl of a recording labelled digital? For ex Bach violín concertos by Pinnock recorded at the dawn of digital age. If the Master was recorded in cd Quality why don't get it as intended? As cd. What do I gain in Vinyl ?
That's a hard one to answer. Most would recommend going with the CD as is was originally mastered for. For me, there is something about vinyl that adds to it. I always liken it "umami". It's not easy to explain - and is extremely subjective. I have no problem buying a vinyl record that was digitally sourced for that reason. I simply prefer owning it on vinyl.
I listened to a 1970 record by Billy Mitchel today that I purchased last week. It sounded great. No pops, no clicks. And I listen to my vinyl on high end headphones. I see people on the VC who treat their records very haphazardly - shoving them roughly back into their sleeves. I don't get it. These things are expensive! Me, I treat my records like they're made out of nitroglycerin. When that Billy Mitchel album gets sold in an estate sale on day, when I'm dead, it will sound as good as it did this afternoon.
Yes I don't understand that comment, no matter how careful you are they are going to pick up scratches and warps. Does he play them outside? I have 2000 records collected since early seventies when I was a teenager and took great care in looking after each one before and after playing no scratches or warps. Love the Uri Gellar comment wonder if many people still remember him? excellent video by the way.
I'll just say it: I started collecting vinyl seriously in around 1974 - when I got a "good" turntable. ALL of those records still sound like new. i.e. VG+, or better.
In 1981 I bought a stereo ststém with a Pioneer 60 watts per chanel recéiver, a Dual 1229Q belt drive turntable with a Shure V15 Type 4 cartridge, and JBL L112 spealers. That was before the CD came out in 1982. I got my firat CD player in 1985 and I was hooked. I've stuck with CDs ever since. I ain't about to go back now, especially after 40+ years. For onw thing, the price is too high.
Vinyl is a much more resilient medium than a lot of people realize. It can take a surprising amount of handling and even some abuse. The biggest problem is people simply don’t clean them. A lot of the time your record isn’t scratched, it’s just dirty. The comment I get most is that it’s too much work. Which is a fair comment. It’s not for me because I enjoy the “hands on” shall we say part of being a record enthusiast. But if you just want to hit a button and forget about it, that’s cool too. Listen to what you want how you want.
You will never convince anyone vinyl is better if you play a record that is scratched up. That is why I went through my collection and got rid of all the bad ones. The ones I kept sound great.
I still play the first LP that I ever bought (Blood Sweat & Tears in 1970.) The sound quality is amazing with no noise. 54 years old and my original phono player was not that great. Sounds audiophile!!!
New subscriber here. I'm not trying to be an antagonist, but I still don't understand how someone could drag the hardest substance known to man across plastic with micro size peaks and valleys and not feel that the album would degrade over time? I haven't watched enough of your videos yet to know what you think about this, but it could explain what that guy is thinking. Also don't understand why some people feel their stylus gets worn down and need replacing unless some other part is faulty. Most vinyl listeners are passionate. And that's good. But I'm a passionate music listener. And that is different. Oh, and I am watching your videos because you seem like a decent guy that might teach me something I didn't know. Thanks
Hi Mike - glad you're here! A record will degrade over time. The friction from the stylus can wear down the grooves, especially if the turntable isn't properly calibrated (like if the tracking force is too high for example). If all is well with the setup, and the records well cared for, they should last a long time (some of mine are over 4 decades old and sound just as good as they did the day I bought them). It may be counterintuitive to image a diamond stylus wearing down but it does. Despite diamonds being extremely hard, they're not immune to wear. Friction can gradually wear down the diamond tip. The heat generated (microscopic) also does this. Not all diamonds are created equal as well, so some wear down quicker. Hope that helps. Thanks for the question - it's my favorite subject 🍺🍺🍺
All my vinyl is peerless. Some of it go back to 1978. And my black Ortofon 2M LVB 25” shibata is PRETTY unforgiving. Still nothing but peerless sound. Must be the Boston thing. I am also in Ma and bought those vinyls when I was living in Boston. Now I live on the western suburbs of, you guessed it! Boston. Funny!
A shibata (any special shape) stylus digs deeper in the groove 'where no man has gone before'. So it will usually play old worn records better than a cheap spherical that grinds the same worn track.
Aside from your handsome face and soothing New England accent, I do enjoy watching your channel and sharing your journey with us. Whenever I hear about all the perceived inconveniences and quality of the vinyl medium, it really makes me laugh as I try to get this Tidal trial to connect through my Denon receiver via HEOS, which Amazon music works just perfectly thru. I can listen to some tracks on my old Mac, but I'm not really getting that really HI-REZ experience thru the computor (Nope, don't have a little dongle DAC to feed it thru) on my headphones, so if I can't get this service to stream to my Denon AV receiver, then I won't be using it going forward. Amazon Music works just fine, but I thought maybe TIDAL had a much better interface to work with, but if I can't get my iphone to get HEOS to get TIDAL streaming like Amazon, then I can't use it, so do I now say STREAMING SUCKS?
Streaming is great when it works but when it doesn’t then I am with Alex. I have given up Qobuz and Tidal, I use Apple Music which I buy as a bundle with Apple TV. I use it predominately with a Walkman and a decent pair of IEMs for auditioning stuff I might like or downloaded for travel. It will never, ever replace vinyl or even the few CDs I have to have because some releases just aren’t on vinyl. There are a few RUclips channels that are advocates of streaming, they seem to have complicated equipment and so many numbers that reflect quality which are meaningless to a vinyl collector. All I can say is “Hey ho”. There’s room for all sorts.
That's about my use of it too, Pat - as an auditioning vehicle. If I'm reviewing a record for the website, I'll use it to revisit a song quickly, but that's about it. @@patrickroberts8702
Some of it does. I spun my 77 reissue of Led Zeppelin 1 and it was really faint and noisy. I stopped it and put bonus my CD copy. I then pulled out my copy of Grant Green Matador (new) and the damn hole in the middle is too small. I have to push it in. I then put on my original copy of ABC Look of Love and it was perfect. Sometimes vinyl is good and sometimes it isn’t.
True - it definitely has its challenges. No argument there. Those small holes drive me crazy. I have a screwdriver that I keep nearby that works perfectly when I come up against them.
I Owen hundreds of vinyl records. I also own hundreds of CDs. I enjoy Both. but I do find vinyl more interactive and i tend to list rather than just have it as background music , because of the involvement in playback of a vinyl record is more interactive and therefore more enjoyable well fore me anyway and like you I have a compulsion for valve, amplifiers, preamps valve anything 😂😂 I think it’s a slight disease we both have, but I don’t want the cure ❤❤
I think your friend was overly exaggerating the inconvenience of vinyl we all experienced back in the day. For me it really is about the nostalgia. I’m 57 so I remember the good ole days. The first single I was dying to have was Don McLean American Pie from the day it first became a hit in 1972. If I was born in the 80s, I’m not sure vinyl would mean as much to me.
Vinyl, CDs and streaming have their good points and bad. You all know what I mean. As for me, I have some records which are not available on CD. I have records from 1948. A lot of records from the 1950's. For instance, The King Sisters "Imagination," from 1957. Now I know that, if you're old enough, you will remember The King Sisters on the Lawrence Welk Show. Grandma's music. But in the mid-fifties they were sly and sexy. "Sweet and Slow" is a prime example. Even though they don't say it in so many words, we all know what this is about.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords When I was a kid, it came on Sunday nights at 8:00 o'clock. Just after "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom." Tomorrow, back to school...
Have a friend and we talk about records all the time. BUT, his main thing is not to buy records to actually listen to, but to buy them to copy to digital so he can archive them. Which....to me...I mean...does that NOT defeat the purpose of buying records?
"No Records are hurt in this Film!" :D Best sentence in this Video! Yeah sometimes u don't have good people in the comments sadly. I had a Comment when somebody said to me: Resident Evil 6 sucks! And i got a Shitstorm on that, only because i said in my Stream when playing Resident Evil Code Veronica, that i wanna try Resident Evil 6 and somebody said immediately that this Game would suck and I said: Just let the people enjoy their Games and don't make everything bad from the Start. - I have a Mainline Gaming Channel here, but cover some Music stuff too!
It depends on what you favor, really. The tactile, 'doing something' of vinyl has always been its draw for me. In times past I have only the fondest memories of getting a new record(s) and sitting with crossed legs on the floor, going over vinyl notes/covers with friends while we listened. It was a social thing, much like before TV when there was only radio. And the fact that as you go up the electronic chain, you usually get more and more out of your records. Even old ones you thought were worn out can profit from newer stylus shapes. Challenge I guess keeps a lot of us going........
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI should add after reading some of the comments, I've gotten pleasure out of streaming, lowly mp3s and 90's CDs etc. The difference is that they are 'side venture' audio experiences, as I've put the real money into vinyl/RTR and even cassette. Although less and less on the cassette decks in the last few yrs. Basically, I just keep them 'exercised'.
I must live in a weird bubble. I have not had any such comments on my instagram account; insta seems to be generally more positive, which I like. -- I rather get comments about my musical taste; as a mid-50's scientist "should" be into classical music (yikes; love medieval and baroque, though) and jazz (double yikes). I have a great time talking to my millennial co-workers about latest darkwave releases and recommendations. I like to point out that "classical" music at the time was "pop" music and that most classical music is horribly performed (Bach on the piano!!!). And then I like to point out Image machine learning music (Rob Tones of Throwing Snow) or musician-philosopher collaborations (Noam Chomsky - Chumbawamba) and ask for classical equivalents (there aren't: Holst did not collaborate with Newton or Copernicus on "The Planets"). etc etc. Fortunately, it rarely comes up, and California is pretty open to other views. -- Sorry you are getting exposed to this. I hope the good vibes drown out the occasional aberration. Rest assured, you are doing a great job. LOVE the channel.
Thanks Daniel! It's actually rare that I get them. 99.9% are positive. The funny part is this video attracted a couple vinyl hating trolls. How ironic is that 😂😂😂
I listen to vinyl, high resolution streaming, and the occasional CD. I consider myself a computer guy. Always liked technology. I would think that digital would be my preference. I’m not sure what it is, nostalgia, age, or just the fact that there is something there I prefer, I will chose vinyl first. It’s certainly more work than streaming and CDs. Can’t explain it. Streaming is easy and sounds fantastic as do CDs but I still prefer vinyl. I think in the end it’s how well the recording was done. I’ve heard terrible recordings on all three media. To each his own.
No matter how careful you are? I was just listening to an album of Bartok's String Quartets on a Columbia Masterworks recording from about 1970. Played perfect and almost indistinguishable from a cd. In fact if I closed my eyes I could imagine the players in front of me. This from an okay Technics direct drive automatic turntable from 1978 and an ADC ZLM cartridge and not a super high end system. The guy is from the same camp that said cassettes always get eaten based on a three pack of check out line cassette and a boombox.
"Vinyl sucks" I would have to agree. They are a pain to keep pristine and do take up a lot of storage space. However, I find such comments are usually made by very young people who did not grow up listening and enjoying records the same way I did. The reason digital, especially the CD, surpassed the record for so many years was they are far easier to use. Now I see the CD is going the way of the 8-Track and being replaced by streaming. Mostly because of they also need space to store. Even so, despite being such a pain, why have records made a comeback? I suspect people are finding out what I grew up with, no other format connects them to artist and music to the same degree the good old record can. It offers a stand-alone experiential pleasure in of themselves, that people will purchase them, despite not having a Turntable to play them on.
Digital was made for the masses, since they don't have decent turntables. If you spend 100 bucks on a turntable and 100 on digital, then both sucks, but digital usually sucks less. When you spend 500 then a turntable is very quickly catching up. If you spend something in the area of 2 grand 1000 for the turntable, 300 cartridge, 400 on phono preamp then it starts to get expensive if you want the same quality on digital. However, the digital pain doesn't stop at your playback device. The source is another problem. You can obviously buy a CD that has kind of the same mastering as the record, but that's an inferior format since it is only 44.1 kHz sampling rate. It is still good enough for the listening experience, but it is not awesome. But if you take the path to streaming then you notice that more and more artists are now remastering their stuff in order to make some money, and these new masterings in 95% of all cases really sound terrible. So if you want a format that still sounds awesome in like 30 years or more, you simply have to buy vinyl. But anyway, people usually buy nice hifi gear because it looks nice and they give a crap if it sounds great or not, so yes buy digital, records are already super expensive. Stick with digital if it is good enough for you.
Funny but I had someone once comment to me when I spoke of my collecting and listening to vinyl.. oh yeah I love vinyl too - with all the crackle and pop! They were serious - not being sarcastic! I found that funny & annoying at the same time 😂😖
I had someone post similar thing on one of my RUclips videos. they said "vinyl sucks, CDs are better". I deleted it not because of the comment but because I couldn't backtrack to the commenter, so anonymous comments (trolls) are deleted. If you can't stand behind your comment, I delete. CDs, to me, inherently "sound better" but Vinyl is more than just the sound. To me, there is a lot more tactile involvement with vinyl and the album artwork is much better enjoyed on a bigger scale. And all the goodies KISS used to put in their albums... you can't fit a cardboard Love Gun in a CD jewel case.
Hi Steven! No - in NH now. I can certainly recommend some up here. There is a great store in Newburyport, MA. Small store near the Grog restaurant. Bought quite a few records there.
Vinyl isn't the best way nowadays to hear music but beside music vinyl represents the golden era of our youth. Besides CDs and digital reproduction vinyl gives very satisfactory music listening demanding the minimum care. Just have a good/new/not worn stylus and a clean record on a leveled turntable and you'll be fine. The problem with Records is their prices for new and used vinyl. They became very expensive last years and is difficult to buy them. I suppose the same will happen to CDs, but if you are also a collector (besides the listrner) everything is ok....
some years ago i witnessed a heated debate between 2 intellectual bemouths in a merits of vinyl vs c.d. debate. Much scientific data was exchanged with E.Qs and Ohms being banded about. The conclusion was inconclusive. Having then in desperation sought my uninformed view i simply stated that for my audio set-up in conjunction with my ageing ears i generally preferred vinyl. As such when people state in a matter-of-fact way, without providing support for their argument, their preference for one or other i do not take them seriously. I recently indulged in both formats for the recent Judas Priest album. The difference was not as distinct as i hoped but this maybe due to a lack of 'air' in the music. Conversely bands like, for example, Steely Dan and Little Feat create greater space in their music and in such cases my preference for vinyl is more pronounced. Finally the one great art form the USA created was jazz. Within this idiom i'm a fan of big band jazz which is criminally ignored for vinyl enthusiasts. As my original albums were played on various inferior systems in previous decades i 'm grateful that such recordings can now be easily purchased in the c.d. format.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Yes indeed. Stan Kenton's band is at the top of my favourites list followed by Buddy Rich, Maynard Ferguson, Woody Herman, Count Basie and the Ted Heath band. My all time favourite piece of music is Stan Kenton's 'Malaga' from 1972 if you are interested.
Well he did say he had “crates and crates” of records that were mysteriously getting warped and scratched! Maybe rethink your storage strategy instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water 🤣🤣🤣
Great video lol And Yes they do last a LONG time, I have a copy of Crusaders Chain Reaction which is 45 years old and has an amazing sound quality, great bass, excellent dynamics an soundstage and I hammer it at the moment as it has turned into an earworm 🙄 Carry on doing what you do, it's all good stuff.
Single guy here for clarification. "Vinyl is way too expensive." as they show me pictures of their kids, all with braces. Well when you don't have kids you can splurge a little. But they won't get it since it doesn't fit in "their" world.
Tone and dynamics are all in the MASTERING, nothing todo with digital carrier or vinyl carrier!! I grew up on vinyl being probably your age, BC nothing else existed back then except hissy tape. NEVER have I played brand NEW full price vinyl right out of the shrink wrap, that didn't have some annoying clicks, no it was not static electricity, BC the clicks always played at the same place in the songs, they became part of the song. and YES I always had audiophile $$$ equipment, the cheapest digital NON-LOSSY format such as 16 bit CD, is far BETTER than mechanically engraved BULLSHIT vinyl. in 1972 its all we had, TODAY ALL VINYL IS MASTERED from DIGITAL sources, this includes archived analog tape. truly analog vinyl is a tiny market, see MOFI GATE, decades of digitally made vinyl and not one could tell the difference that their pure analog nirvana is actually listening to someone else DAC/amp into the mechanical cutter.
BTW, that looks like a uTurn Plus? I'm a DD guy and have three of them. But a couple of years ago a guy had tried out vinyl and decided he didn't like it, so he was putting up his brand new turntable, five or six new records, and his record cleaning stuff, including liquid and even a record vacuum, all for $125. So now I have a uTurn plus. But mine has the Ortofon OM10 (the P Mount style). That blue is a heck of a lot better. One thing I hate about that TT is that I keep accidentally knocking the belt off the platter. Back in the early 70's, my first decent TT was a Technics SL-23 belt drive. But back then the belt was under the platter, and it had pitch control, as did most of the good ones. That mattered because I was a trombone player and had a few "music minus one" records. It was easier to change the pitch than to tune my trombone to the record. I still have one of those. BTW, I moved on to bass in 1998, and the reason is in this joke: What's the difference between a trombone player crossing the street and a snake crossing the street? The snake might be going to a gig.
It's a uTurn Custom Orbit that I bought a few years ago before picking up my Thorens TD 160 Super. Agreed about the belt! I was always knocking it off too. The new U-Turns have a groove in the platter t keep it in place now.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Goin' for the classics! Bob Bradley (local youtuber) picked up an even older idler drive Thorens that is truly beautiful. I used to sell Thorens back in the 70's. My only complaint was that I thought at the time that they were too expensive. Plus, I was twitterpated with the new DD tables. But that Thorens that you have is one dead quiet unit! 'Course, overall quality depends on the tonearm you plugged in.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Well that setup is certainly a step up from the uTurn. I confess that the uTurn is the only one of my TT's where if you are careful you can hear the motor in the speakers. None of my DD's do that. And I'm pretty sure your Thorens doesn't. I don't mean to be hard on the uTurn. For the bucks it's a great table. I'm glad they put the groove in the platter. BTW, I installed mine with a class D amplifier into a late 1960's console stereo. I kept the original speakers, but with new crossover. It's a big slice of retro awesomeness. I use it in my shop building, which is a bit silly, but still...
The naysayers are always there to distract us from the cause! My guess is folks who make comments like those are just trolling and don't have any sort of quality audio system to engage with. I enjoy the physical experience of holding the album in my hand and having to go to the turntable to lay the album down on the platter to play it! Lining up the stylus to hit the songs at the beginning is a real skill!
I love my vinyl, 95% of my listening is to vinyl, but as vinyl lovers we also should acknowledge that vinyl is far less convenient in every possible way than other sources and far more expensive. Yes, with the proper investment in time, energy and expense it sounds better than any source other than perhaps reel to reel - which is even more inconvenient and far more expensive than vinyl. In the end, love is not a rational thing, it's an emotional thing. So two things perhaps can be true at once . . . I love vinyl and vinyl sucks. It feels good to say it out loud.
Rick, when people write that vinyl sucks, they probably really believe it. You gave good illustrations in this video as to why they probably have that opinion. If you hooked them up to a lie detector machine, most of them would show to be telling the truth. The others are likely envious of what is financially out of their reach. If they won the lottery, they would run right to the high end store and order VPI's flagship turntable, and post all about it on-line. I have often replied to people that leave "vinyl sucks" comments, and asked them how did they come to their conclusion that vinyl sucks. I have almost never had anyone give me a civil answer. I have gotten lots of responses. But rarely answers. (responses are not necessarily answers -- just watch politicians being interviewed) When someone gives me a cogent answer, it is usually the sound quality. I then ask them about the equipment that they are using, and was it set up (or dialed in) properly. That is usually the end of having a meaningful dialog. @4:40 -- He probably had a low end turntable, using a low end receiver, with its built-in low end phono amp, playing poor sounding pressings. Then CDs came along. From his perspective / experience, CDs are absolutely better than vinyl. Why does his watch your vinyl related videos? My guess is that he cannot understand what compels people to enjoy what he honestly believes is garbage sound quality. Ironically, he is the one missing out on the glorious sound of vinyl (assuming he can afford a reasonably good turntable, etc, set-up). As to deleting comments... I have a very high tolerance. Short of the comment being at odds with the law, or inappropriate for children, I believe that in a public forum, everyone's voice should be heard. It is why it is the First Amendment in our Bill Of Rights -- and foul mouthed tyrants existed back then, too. One other exception is spam. If someone decides to use The Joy of Vinyl Records to promote elections to their school board, or to rant about their neighbor's dog, well, I might click the delete button.
I really am averse to deleting comments and I think I can count on two hands the number of times I've felt inclined to do it. I'm going to regret saying this, but the trolls on this channel have been at a minimal - and I've just jinxed myself.
I think it’s okay to delete trollish comments. Some people like to spark contention, which doesn’t bring joy to any mentally healthy person. And after all, this channel is about the JOY of vinyl records. So thank you for bringing a little bit of joy to my day.
Maybe the guy who complains that all his records ended up warping and full of scratches should take them out of his trunk and put the record in the sleeves!!
I don’t get why anyone cares. If you like listening to music on AM radio I don’t care. Glad you like it. I was born in 1964 so I grew up with vinyl, but when the first CD player hit the market, a Sony CDP 101 (I loved that CD player.) I brought my vinyl collection to a store and sold them all to buy CDs. The owner of the store asked me why I selling them and I said “CDs are the future.” He scoffed at me. Little did I know 35 years later I’d be buying LPs again and buying all the albums I loved as a kid again. To me it’s nostalgia, sound quality (still hate clicks and pops.) and sitting through a record from beginning to end as the artist intended me to do. I still have CDs and I stream music. Why not have it all? Oh and you must be working on that accent. I don’t hear it. :)
I'm a CD collector, and currently just looking for all the early eighties pressing of my favorite albums from the 70's, 80's and 90's. The "Animals" new remixes is to me just way better than the 80's and 90's pressing, and is the one to get, but surely, many will disagree. Some says "the dark side of the moon" is the best Pink Floyd album ever, but for me, it is "the wall". To me, "the wall" has a better production, and the mastering job is superb. There is two thing that make me put "tdsotm" as Floyd's second best. I don't like the song "money", i know it's fans favorite, but to me it just ruined the whole excellent album because of the bad songwriting for this song, and then the production and mastering, it lacks of bass, unlike "the wall" which is way better, and has many great songs on it. I listen to all this albums from many version of the CD's, and only CD, because i knew the sound stay true to the original recording. I understand, many vinyl listeners prefer something that CD may not offers them for their listening pleasure. I'm looking forward to buy the 50th anniversary of "tdsotm" (on CD of course), and hopefully the sound will improve so i can get to enjoy the album more.
My response to “Vinyl Sucks” I would have said “That’s fine. Be constructive and tell us why” of “Be constructive and tell us why, otherwise you don’t sound like a adult here”
My impressions are that I can`t make presumptive statements that vinyl is always better that CD, or vise versa. Also some streamed music sounds better than vinyl or CD, some doesn`t. I have vinyl that was purchased in the early 70`s that have been treated not excessively with care, but definitely not abused, and they continue to sound wonderful. Generally it depends on how well they were recorded , mastered, and pressed. I have LP s that were released from the 40`s thru the 60`s that sound fabulous. My opinion is that having these absolute assessments of what is good or bad , can limit my access to, and enjoyment of the music ,which may be more or less available depending on the format.Thanks for video Rick.
I can easily point to some CDs which sound better than the vinyl version because of when they were mastered. And vice versa for some vinyl pressings which sound superior. You make extremely valid points.
OK I will admit, I have been guilty of saying U2 sucks, I just don’t like them, I even saw them in concert, first American tour, at a small club in Cleveland. But I come to realize that saying things like that are not constructive. I will maybe go say now, they are not my cup of tea, cause do they really suck, probably not, a lot of people like them, and that is ok. Just as I do not like them, and that is ok too. Sure I have some albums that are really scratched up, for they are from the 1969 -1972 era, when I was using an RCA portable, with one of those tonearm, that had the felt pad at the end, and a floating ceramic cartridge in that, and I never ever change the stylus, that is all on me.
vinyl requires a genuinely hifi setup, before you will hear the benefits. have to believe the people behind these comments have never heard a genuinely decent system.
Much of my Vinyl sounds worse than CD’s or streaming. Some of my vinyl sounds as good, or good enough for me to disconnect from the digital world. I tune out and into vinyl played through tube amps for that reason. A few vinyl records I have sounds better. I often hear the tape hiss and other imperfections of the original recording, and in that is removed in many digital, and in that hiss, or near that hiss is some additional music. But there are the occasional pops and wear that is annoying. Regional accents on media, news, film, and tv are so rare now days, that yes…I do like hearing your Boston accent, but it is not enough for me to stay. Keep up your regularly scheduled programming.
The sad fact is, there are countless, small-minded, angry people on the internet. Every YT video, on every topic is bound to have a few "Mr. Bringdown"* types who's greatest joy is to turn civility on its head. * a 1960's counterculture reference: Mr. Bringdown is a character in the R. Crumb penned series of ZAP comix
Well you have to agree with a guy vinyl does suck sometimes. It takes a bit of patience technical know-how setup is important equipment is important and that doesn't necessarily mean expensive but some investment. you can't expect to plug it into your "receiver" and get great sound. maintenance of Records make sure you clean them don't keep them in the paper sleeves, because that can scratch your records quite easily invest in some polypropylene sleeves. It's not an instant thing like a download or even a CD player to get it to sound great . What is that valve phono stage you got looks interesting how much?
I believe the $60 is for schematics to build your own - the Tavish amps run from a bit over $700 to $2000. Wonderful phonostage and fully tube driven. There's a few folks who have tried them out and swear by them. @@jedi-mic
The high end audio press, who are infinitely more influential than any commentor, early on, took the position that cds suck. They were ALL WRONG. It was the players that sucked! But for a while, the sound was pretty bad. Some people really got that into their heads, and an elitist attitude grew up around being a vinyl person. They felt like they had superior knowledge, as your average person on the street believed from the mass influencers that cds sounded better. Now that cd playback at its best has technologically caught up to vinyl sonically, these people's beliefs seem to be so deep rooted, that they stay, & they are willing to pay big bucks for lps. Back when vinyl playback was really far superior, obtaining lps couldn't have been cheaper. Their love of vinyl. and belief in its superiority remains, in light of many things, including the Mofi controversy, where the coveted lps they were holding in their hands, revealed themselves to be be...DIGITAL! I guess beliefs becaome ingrained and stay beliefs, even in the light of many things saying otherwise. Of course anyone saying that vinyl sucks, is really saying how dumb and ridiculous it is for people to be spending such time, effort and expense to find the best pressings, when in most cases, cds for very little miney could be the best pressings. Old Sheffield Labs lps and some releases by the best audiophile lp companies of today, being the possible exceptions. They're both really good. It's 2024! But one costs many times less and has about 30 advantages over the other. If you have great sounding cd playback equipment; the choice is obvious. If you have a major collection of clean lps, you certainly would want to keep your turntable. But to expand your collection, investing in a great cd player, could actually save you money in the ling run. Some cds are pretty collectible and are worth pretty good money. If you buy a lot of 100 cds, chances are that 3 or 4 of them will be collectibles and worth enough money to pay for the rest, if you find the right buyers.
I appreciate your try to relativise different opinions on cd. But you are forgetting the massive amount of media brainwashing. Add campaigns AGAINST vinyl and for cd still resonate in people's minds. It was a great scam to make consumers rebuy all their favorite music at double the price. Consumers who already payed for the copyrights for those recordings. I never saw cd prices based on just the medium (plus distribution etc). Remember the prattling of the record companies when people started downloading for free? That said: early cd's did suck. Mastering often was lazy, only 14bit, from worn masters etc etc. Everything to supply the demand. The cd-players were great, only the DACs and their implementation were really, really bad. That is why I almost killed my music hobby the day I bought a cd-player. It just wasn't captivating anymore. After the 'wow' it was just 'meh'...what's on tv? Or, in my case; what can I do on my computer? Fortunately I had a few writers in magazines (MF is one) who assured me I wasn't crazy to like LPs better. Because they sound better. Always have and still do. The last decade DACs have really improved to the point they came close in my system. With a lot of diy and modifications. But I did that too on my phonostage. Vinyl is still far more resolving and dynamic in my setup. If you look at the bad things there's always something to dislike. But you need to look at (listen to) the good things. Can it emote you?
I agree on a few things you said, but strongly disagree on the rest. I agree that the music industry was trying to get double the price of vinyl, when cds were introduced. But they were not as you said "making you buy your whole collection over, on cd." Even with their media helpers saying cd sounded better, that's hardly making you buy your whole collection over again, or any part of it.. By eventually phasing out vinyl, they ARE guilty of removing your option of buying newly released music on vinyl.. No one can "make you" do anything as far as purchases. And also there was still the used lp market; stores back then, pre internet. The same sort of thing happened decades before, when people accused the audio industry of making them pay double to buy two amps and two speakers instead of the one amp and one speaker that Mono required. But again, it was the consumers ultimate decision, not anyone forcing them to do anything. As far as your saying that lps have better resolution, sound quality or emotion involvement. For the sake of accuracy, I try to avoid making blanket statements like that. Anyone who does, hopes that others don't realize that they have only heard a very small % of the enormity of what is out there. Especially now, with so few brick and mortar stores, that you can actually go in and listen to a lot of stuff. In truth, I'm afraid that the only person who can make definitive statements on the ceiling potential of cd (or vinyl), is someone who owns the absolute best players on the market. And since no one is even sure WHAT IS the BEST, that's not even possible. The highest priced equipment is not necessarily the best; or even very good; often. You saying that early cd players were great but had horrible sound because of their DACs, is a self contradiction and is akin to saying that someone is a great person, except for their mind. Generally speaking, it was never the cds that were bad; I have planty of early cds that sound great. Mastering is way more important than amount of bits, and unless you were actually there, no one knows what tapes they took out of the vaults, with either the early cds or the modern ones. Lps DO NOT have some magical quality that turns on your emotions, like some people in vinyl fantasy land would like you to believe, right along with them.. Emotions are inside your head, the music is outside your head. Less than great cd playback, (like most people have), sounds like it has something wrong with it. Get your cd playback to a point where mine is at, and there is nothing wrong about the sound quality, and it is as conducive to drawing you in as vinyl is. I have in the past used turntables of a very high order and top of the line moving coil cartridges, and preamps that major audio reviewers used as their reference, and I hear better sound quality on my redbook cds than my black vinyl. Michael Fremer said in print that the Mofi lp, Abraxas by Santana had the greatest sound quality he has ever heard, and unknown to him at the time; it was a digital lp.
"... pick up scratches and warps over the years." I have LPs and 45s that I bought over 50 years ago that are pristine because I took good care of them, not fanatical care but just common sense. I was hoping that record you destroyed was a Taylor Swift, lol.
Not directed at you personally, but since you brought up Taylor Swift…I don’t get the anti-Swifties. She’s not my taste in music, but that’s ok, millions of people love her. There were a whole lot of people back in the day making the same complaints about Elvis and then the Beatles. “That’s not real music”. “It’s a fad”. If nothing else, she’s gotten a lot of younger folks into vinyl. I think I recently read where out of the top 10 LPs sold last year, 7 or 8 of them were Taylor Swift records (and Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumours”, for whatever reason). And that’s a good thing IMO.
@@mph7282 Oh I don't have anything against her music, and in fact I like some of it. But like Katy Perry and Lady Gaga who I really enjoyed artistically, I get turned off by these clueless spoiled girls who use their influence politically. But it's not just them as I detest the whole leftist crowd in Hollywood. I just wish they'd all keep it to themselves.
A funny video, played with nearly a straight face. One or two stupid comments among the hundreds of interesting and varied responses is not a bad strike rate.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords The video came across as a mixture of wonderment and laughter. The inserted clips were great, especially when that heavy metal album was hurled from the window. You have probably got a few more that could get the same treatment. I read many of your received replies, the balance is really great from the long term, knowledgable collector who is sharing wisdom right through to the guy who has just started collecting. Lots of us souls that “lost” a collection and have started again. Your broadcasting style is inclusive and non confrontational, we feel that we know you and are even friends. You reply to 99% of your responders. Those that can’t express a view politely should just suffer the delete button. I am going to buy a Doors’ album - the first one or Greatest hits?? All the best, Pat
Thanks, Pat! As for the Doors - oh boy, tough question. I love the first album. It's tied with LA Woman as my favorite one - bookends to their career. If you want to just hear the radio hits and familiar songs, then you can't go wrong with the Greatest Hits. @@patrickroberts8702
Vinyl has changed the way I listen to music. Listening to a record is like drinking whiskey or smoking a cigar. You gotta devote time to it. It makes me stop and actually be in the moment. I'm listening to full albums and not able to skip from one popular track to the next. So choosing the albums I collect is a more involved thing. I love it. Thank you for the videos!
This is perfect - "Listening to a record is like drinking whiskey or smoking a cigar. " Wonderful
I have a woodstove in same room as TT. Careful care and cleaning gives me listening pleasure. Went twenty years without listening to vinyl due to moving to Alaska and now have modest system that gives me joy . I also like SACD and streaming through Apple TV - watching concerts is fun for me. I did keep old records and enjoy purchasing repressing and comparing. I also love new artists. I wish everyone happiness no matter how they listen to music and would say that respecting others listening preferences is the way to go.
Cheers to that, Robert! 🍺
Couldn't have said it better...in the end, it's what we gain from listening and feeling the music...no matter the medium.@TheJoyofVinylRecords
When people say things like “it doesn’t matter how careful you are” and then follow up with a load of negativity are clearly just not careful people.
I do think vinyl done well has to appeal a certain type of personality. Usually one that boarders on compulsive obsessive. I definitely put myself in that category.
I’ve got vinyl from the 1980s still in new condition and I do play them often. Some people are just not cut out for taking care of things.
In my late teens/ early 20s, a buddy of mine literally tossed his records in the floor before putting on the next one. I always sat by with a beer and silently toasting his scratched up records.
Well… in today’s world we have a lot of options and we can choose the way we want to listen to the music. I use, for example, the Spotify streaming service, mainly as a medium for non engaging listening, to play a music in the background during my different activities. If I want to become familiar with new band or new album, then it’s easy to listen to it on streaming. If I love to listen to some album I try find the best issue, no matter if it is on CD or vinyl. Some recordings I prefer to listen to on CD, some on vinyl. That’s my personal preference. Even though I have dozens of album on vaw, flac and even dsd files, I listen to them very rarely. They do not have the „magic” of the physical recordings. I never treated vinyl as a best medium for the music, but it has something that I cannot find even on CDs - the magic, the ritual, the atmosphere, something that allow me to enjoy music, to go deeper into it. Vinyl sucks? If talking about technical point of view probably it can be true, especially when comparing to the dsd or pcm files. But when we are talking about taking full pleasure from listening to the music, vinyl wins, at least at my home.
It will always win in our home too. As a matter of fact my wife is streaming music while we some housework. Tonight when we settle down for the day it'll be vinyl for us.
Completely agree with how good the new Animals remix is,however what i have noticed with newer vinyl since the vinyl comeback lol,is that the quality control seems to be poor,quite often i get a bad pressing straight out of the wrapping,pops,tiks and crackles on a brand new record,it's a long time ago but i don't seem to recall having these issues in the 70s/80s,however when it all comes together i still don't think you can beat vinyl as a listening format, i have a mate who disagrees and always asks why i keep buying vinyl when you can just stream it for free or whack a CD in,ive always told him that i like those formats too,but when i stream music or play a CD i will usually mess about doing other things too,ie emails,browsing the web etc, i don't know why but when i play a vinyl record i just sit and listen i have no urge to do anything other than enjoy the music,that's what vinyl is about to me
Same here, David. At the end of the day it's 2-3 records to relax to. Doing nothing else but listening.
Good point about the physical quality leaving alot to be desired. I have plans to reach out to pressing plants to start a list of great quality control processes.
Since getting back into vinyl two years or so ago, I periodically make little videos for my Facebook page of my modest equipment playing a recent purchase or just an old favorite. The feedback I get is always positive. I do have one friend who continually teases me with the "vinyl sucks" comment (not under my posted videos though) and I patiently explain to him about subjective listening experiences... the joy of observing the mechanics of the music playing process... the nostalgia I feel for the sound of a needle settling into the groove... and most of all (for me) the fact that I listen much more carefully to music again now that I have to make an effort to play it. It falls on deaf ears (as does my preference for pre-digital practical effects in movies over CGI and AI). Well, it's his loss. :)
Love this - yes, it is his loss, Biff 🍺
No matter how careful? Yes, alcoholic blackouts do that. I got a childhood friend back into HiFi. He complained about noisy records, as if it was the normal state of vinyl. I told him not to play mistreated records from his high school years (‘70s) but to buy and play new or nm, vg+ discs. He did and now he’s fully committed to LPs again. Ignorance is no bliss at all.
Hello, I’m a new viewer and subscriber. I realize this video is a month old, however, I’d like to address the records are noisy comment regardless of care. First off, I like records. I grew up with them as I’m 70. I started buying again a few years ago. I bought a RT-85. I replaced the “Blue” with a AT VM 95ML. I know how to setup a TT. So, you can see my gear is competent. Now the point. I bought a brand new album. Pulled it out handling with utmost care, cleaned with D4 and a nice brush. First thing I heard was click/pop after the stylus gently came down. I was actually amazed and amused.
It’s crazy isn’t it? I don’t recall running into that years ago when buying record.
And welcome to the channel!!
One of the best things about watching you is your sense of humor, even when you are addressing a not so great subject! That montage was amazing and had me LOL! The people that trash vinyl seemed to either have little experience or just don't or have ever learned how to best experience it! We that appreciate vinyl are an amazing group! Keep up the great (and entertaining) work!
I had fun with that one. Cheers, Glenn!
I recently tweaked my system and bought a better turntable to get a better experience when listening to my vinyl collection. I had rarely played records over the last two decades, preferring CDs and more recently streaming. The first new record I bought to try the new turntable was the 2018 remix of Animals. It sounded amazing, and even though I had streamed it before in hi-res, I prefer how the vinyl sounds. I also find the experience of playing vinyl much more relaxing and 'mindful' than streaming. I'm hoping this mindfulness will offset the stress produced by the price of new records!
You hit the nail on the head - mindfulness. It really does boil down to that.
Vinyl indeed sucks.
It's expensive while at the same time, you have to be extremely lucky to get a clean copy. You have to baby it, clean it, brush it, put it in a protective sleeve... It commands your attention while playing it.
BUT I love it.
The moment the needle touches the grooves and sound jumps out of your speakers it's like magic.
Ha - love this
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"Why are they watching my channel..." That's exactly what I thought when I read that comment.🙂
Enquiring minds want to know …
Great video as usual. There will always be trolls. But the trolls crack when the sun shines on them. Please continue with the vinyl videos. Because vinyl records are a big part of the lives of many of us😁 All the best from Norway 🎸🥁
Right back at you, Ole - all the best 🍺🍺
Some people think their opinions are the only ones that matter, so they trash other peoples opinions. I like vinyl, cds, and streaming. I can make a case for one format being better than another with all three of them. I like vinyl for a more natural sound. I like cds for a more carefree format that I can also play in the car. I like streaming for its convenience and the ability to listen to far more than I could ever purchase and own on either vinyl or cds. The fact is, all three of these formats sound great if you have the right setup for each one, which I do. Collecting music on a physical medium is a hobby. It can be very enjoyable. So my advice to someone who says vinyl sucks is, great then don't collect any records. But I like collecting them myself, so I really don't care what you think about it. 😊
I'm with you, Neil. I'll never condemn or attempt to make someone feel bad for their honest opinion - especially when offered respectufully.
Vinyl is a beautiful thing.
Especially if it’s mastered well
It really is , Michael.
I have been playing Vinly for 56 years with great pleasure.
The record covers are often works of art that enhance the enjoyment of music on vinyl
I also listen to CDs and music on Spotify, for example.
Preferably listening to music from a vinyl record.
Also occasionally with a record changer.
Enjoyed watching your video
Thank you, Fred. I spent many years with a record changer. Must have been early 80s.
It's not about inferior vs superior, it's about "The Joy of Vinyl Records".
I drive a rusty old car. Yes I could buy a bright new and shiny model, but I love the old car. It might not have power windows, but they do roll down. It might not have fancy climate control but the heater works great. It might not have fuel injection but the 4-barrel carb has some nice snap to it.
And much like my old car, I find my records (while being old school and I won't dispute the advantages of newer technology) always do something that the newer ones often don't, and that's bring a smile to my face.
You and me both, Robert. Well put!
Ok, Durring 70's and early 80' I bought lp's and recorded to cassette to preserve lp condition. But by the 90s, I was buying only cd's. I lost interest in my lp's and sold my albums😢 . I rarely bought music for 20 years because most music at the time was not worth buying. By 2015 I began buying cd's again, re placing my sold lp's on cd mostly because of space, but also because of cost and availability in cf format. I am extremely glad for the resurgence in lp's and even cd's because I want a physical copy. The lp with the art work is the ultimate music for the collector, but I am happy with my cd's. I can not understand enjoying only streaming with no physical copy to own!??
And when a service shuts down (which will happen someday) there goes all that music.
I guess I'll ask the question that is on everybody's mind, "Who is Wiz Dinero, and why are you destroying his record?"
lol. I was wondering when someone would pause it long enough to read who the artist was. To be honest I have no idea. It showed up in a mailer when I bought other albums. I actually ended up with two of them. This one was scratched. So it became my demo disc. 🤣
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I'm retired. I got time. 😜
I bought a copy of "annie get your gun" from Goodwill once for a quarter. It was the soundtrack with Doris day, and it was pretty dirty with a pretty damaged jacket. I took it home and did my "dawn and paint trim brush" cleaning and dropped the needle. It literally sounded brand new. And dead quiet. Interestingly, the recording is also fantastic. As I like to say, the industry really had it dialed in back around 1960, which may be why a lot of that recording hardware is coveted to this day.
If you are at all interested, search "Recording In A 1950s Style Recording Studio" in youtube. I'm not supplying a link because I think it breaks the post. It's a 35 minute documentary about a working studio in the UK that completely replicates a 1950's studio. Anyone that loves analogue should find it very interesting.
Awesome - thanks!
A St. Patricks Day Quiz...
Because what could be more fun for people, than getting drunk while trying to figure out Brainteasers? Answers will be given on this channel's next video, here in the comments section by me.
1. What rock group who've had three albums that have made it to #1, are often thought of as a German group because of a hit song named after a German place? They are in reality British/Irish
2. Which company's modified Grado cartridge, rebadged under this company's own name, was one of high end audio's underground favorites in the 1980s? Befitting it's very natural sound, it's model name, was known as The Green
3. What was the first musical instrument played in outer space?
4. What is BY FAR the most valuable record lp. Estimated to have a value of many millions of dollars, if it could be found and brought back home? It has an Irish tie in.
5. What restaurant is known for their Shamrock Shake?
6. Every year Chicago dyes their river green for St. Patricks day? What interesting & very descriptive thing does the word Chicago mean?
7. What popular lp record clamp from many decades ago was named after a green part of a plant?
8. What cereal's TV commercial always ended with the words "They're Magically Delicious!"?
9. Which of these seasonings and condiments had a rock group named after them, with the groups Irish leader's full name included in the name of the group?
A. Ketchup. B. Paprika. C. Salt. D. Pepper. E. Mustard
10. What audio items have a well known nickname, named after an animal that is associated with St. Patricks Day?
Keep answers to yourself so as not to ruin it for others.
I might try to tackle these myself ....
Here are four Bonus Questions related to things associated with St. Patricks Day.
1. Name a familiar Irish Pop/Rock Band which has two words in their group name, who released an album with a two word title with one of the words being a color.
2. St. Patrick was said to have driven all the snakes/serpents out of Ireland. Name two rock groups (besides Whitesnake), whose names have the word Snake in it.
3. Name a recording by an ultra famous Jazz musician, in which ever track (of many) has color in its title?
4. Name the city which has the highest % of company CEO's that are of Irish descent. It's not in New England.
5. Name the artist with the name of a color in their name that released a single called Pot Of Gold.
all formats have advantages and drawbacks. I was listening to some stellar mp3s on my walk to a record store just yesterday!
Agree completely.
As i listen to vinyl my breath takes me into the recording studio where it all happened...now that you can't hear on a cd or anything else to that matter. Yes 55 years collecting from my fav artist CONNIE FRANCIS, i have a 1000 collection on her. Some of her very rare too like the Australian copy in Stereo AWARD WINNING MOTION PICTURE HITS which has the original playbacks[only issued in Australia and New Zealand 1962 recorded in RCA ITALIANA Rome Italy. While the album was released [1963] elsewhere a year after this and we got the original vocal dubbed onto re recorded playbacks. Connie was a genius in the recording studio. All the best from Athens, Greece.
That's awesome, Roger! Cheers from New Hampshire 🍺
Vinyl. Cd. Tape. All media has it's cool esthetics and sound. All have their drawbacks and flaws but I use and love them all. I find benefits and annoyances from all my media
You enjoy "the best of ALL worlds". 🍺
Vinyl Sucks... All my hard earned money.👍
😂😂😂 same here!
The greater my record collection gets, the worse my socks collection gets
Please, Please, Please. Can we call them for what they are known.
(RECORDS) not vinyl…
After all you did not do to the “Record Store” to buy vinyl, you went there to buy a record.
Please people, use the right term.
Thank you
@@RudyTarde record is a pretty broad term. Record could describe multiple formats. One could still buy a record by buying a cd or even a digital file, et cetera
Hi Rick , like you I don’t understand why people who don’t like vinyl want to watch videos about vinyl. What I would do is just ignore them and not even comment on their negativity. Maybe they just like to be controversial. These people would say black when it’s white and so on. So like you again I’m just going to enjoy my vinyl and your videos and stuff them. Take care. 👍
I didn’t get back into vinyl for a ‘superior listening experience’, I got back into it as I enjoy the album artwork, seeing the mechanics of the turntable working, listening to the needle run-in and find the groove, and taking an hour to really listen to an album as the artist intended, not cherry picking tracks. It’s also a porthole to my past, into my teenage years when I first discovered how amazing and transformative music could be, and I still find it just as life affirming now I’m several decades older. Maybe CDs and mp3s have better sound quality, but they also have less charm and character.
Absolutely. I’m listening to some old ZZ Top and I remember vividly walking by the school parking lot and hearing “La Grange” blasting from car stereos. So long ago but the music takes me right back. Not always for better but it’s still mental time travel
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsExactly! Whenever I listen to an early James album I’m 16 again, and down in the mosh pit having the breath squeezed out of me, and being pulled out onto the stage by security 😂 There is one band I can’t listen to anymore though, too many not so great associations, I still keep a couple of their signed records though, but never play them. But I think these memories, good and bad, just show quite how enmeshed with music we are in our formative years, and how essential music stays in the lives of so many of us. As the saying goes, ‘music is life’.
Snap, crackles and pops.
just like eating Rice Krispies! lol
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I haven't purchased a vinyl record in 40 years. Perhaps today's vinyl records are a better quality than back in the 1960's, 70's and early 80's when I was buying records. I mean, ok, I didn't have the greatest turntable. I just remember skips, pops, surface noise, warped records, etc. But it was fine, it was part of the game. Quite frankly, I often toy with the idea of getting back into vinyl, but I'm afraid the cost and dedication may be a bit much at this point. I'm not sure I want to go back to cleaning the record, cleaning the needle, replacing the needle/cartridge, poly-lined sleeves, sleeves for the record jackets, etc, etc. Now I just pop a cd into the player press "play" and relax for 40 minutes or so. But believe me, back in the day, caring for and playing my records was a blast. I loved it.
Oh yeah, quick edit, I just like watching videos by those of love and collect vinyl.
Thank you for watching! Jumping back into vinyl is an investment in time and money. For me, the enjoyment is worth it - especially in this crazy world of today.
You don't have to collect to always be welcome here 🍺🍺🍺
Mercury "Living Presence" classical vinyl from the mid 1950s (mono). A real treat to hear. One microphone, hung 15 feet above the conductor. The CD reissues are terrific, but nothing beats the vinyl. I found half a dozen mint albums at a local thrift store. 10 cents each. I'm in heaven.
Goes to show that even the simplest recording method can produce great results 🍺
No kidding. I have some classical mono sets recorded from the 50's(my parent's stuff). Spectacular recordings even with a stereo cart. I don't have enough of them to consider a mono cart. I wished I had picked up more from the thrift stores back in the day. They were practically giving them away. I did go to town on old Xmas albums though and then recorded the 'best of' on RTR. Treat to listen to them every year during the season. And those goofy "MannHeim Steamroller" Xmas cassettes from back in the day....lol.
Hi Rick, as always, love your video! I noticed you pointing out your Boston accent. One of my favourite bands is from Boston: Buffalo Tom! They have just released a new album and i’m looking forward to see them perform live on the Come as you are festival this year!
I'm not familiar with them - now I have to check them out!
Piece of metal going thru a plastic grove = distortion. Suffered enough from mid 1970's - 1985.
How many times have we heard "The highs get wiped off the first play." I can only say not on a proper turntable that is properly setup with a decent cartridge.
Some assume there are lots of distracting pops but haven't actually had a decent turntable. One guy at work came in one day and said he heard a friend's turntable and was surprised at how low the noise level was! He had mostly MP3s because he had so many.
So true, Steven! I firmly believe it's the turntable and clean records which make all the difference.
Vinyl, CDs or streaming, it's all about the music for me.😉
As it should be - thanks, Jim!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it.
Best wishes from Scotland.
Jim 🏴🙂
This is the difference between an in person group like a book club or even a specialized online forum & a forum that is not only publicly available but served to RUclips users auto-magically. I enjoy watching channels discussing science fiction like Frederick Pohl, Ray Bradbury, *X-Files* etc., but I'll also get Y-Tube posts about 1960's cheese like *Lost In Space* or "Plan 9 from Outer Space." Should I delete those (probably) or reply with "How old are you? Nine?!?" (I don't get quite so snarky). Maybe I'll suggest "You might enjoy the Netflix reboot." I enjoy some of my LPs a lot, others have issues that only an alternative format can fix. No, they don't get scratched if you keep them clean!
Love that you mentioned Frederick Pohl - I haven’t thought of him in years.
It's all well and good until somebody gets hurt. I have a friend I've known for 45 years, records have literally ruined his life, he has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on what once was a love of music and has turned into a full blown obsession, he has close to 400,000 records 99% of which he has never played. I just went to his house which is very large to help him put 15 boxes of records in his basement, thats around 1,000 right there, in the last couple of months he has bought around 2,000 records,, that's practically a normal person's whole collection. There are records in ever single room of his house the majority are in the basement which is huge, the ones i took to the basement were in his front hallway, you couldn't open the front door, when rhey were delivered he couldn't lift them and there was no where else to put them so they stayed in the front vestibule. I haven't even mentioned the thousands of CDs cassettes reel to reel laserdiscs and video tapes he has, he might just be the worse hoarder of recorded material ever. Here's the sad part, the ones in the cellar have turned moldy even though they're in boxes, the boxes are on the concrete floor and there is no circulation of air down there, all the vintage equipment is moldy, the ten or so reel to reel decks the receivers the amps everything, we are not young guys I'm 64 he's 63 and not in the best of health I'm a little beter but not much, i have been after him for years to let me help him, I have tried but f anyone knows a true hoarder it's very difficult, things got worse when his wife committed suicide due to his hoarding. I told him to cut his losses and get somebody in to evaluate and buy everything, but he says that a lot of the records are worh more money than he'll get so he'd rather just keep them with the hope that some day he'll actually have room enough to set up something that he can listen to them on, I'm afraid that will never happen, the interesting thing is that he knows what he has, he just doesn't know where it is, i asked him if he had a certain record one time, he brought me in the cellar and said it should be in one of these boxes and sure enough it was.
really sorry about your friend, Peter. I can't even imagine what that many records looks like.
Newly produced albums suck, i.e., artists, manufacturing, distribution, then Yes, " vinyl sucks" , outside of that , albums are great !!
Ive been byuing albums from '77 to the present, backed off Drastically sinse the early 90's , the CD years ( not a fan), so the question arises , how do I know new albums suck??, the opinion comes from observing the comments from RUclips channels, e.g., " aww paper scuffs... aww my new vinyl is warped ...aww , boo hoo this , boo hoo that and yad yad ya!!😭😭😭
Save yourselves some tears, vintage is the way to go, when record manufacturing was an art now its just a scam
I have seen a drop in quality control. It really puts the industry in a bad light. Thanks Chopay!
Sound quality is to the individual. We have multiple choices of formats to meet our individual needs. If the gentleman that made the comment didn't get his groove on with vinyl, he can certainly get his bits of sonic happiness from the CD format. That may be the only place where he will find happiness though. Why? Because if he goes to the tape format, something tells me he will eventually have a hissy fit. --- Bill
Made me laugh with the "hissy fit", Bill. Needed that this morning!
Great stuff. I will be making a video on my Nevermind "unofficial" copy
Let me know when you do!
Hey Brudda, my personal re-entry into the world of Hi-Fi sound and more specifically vinyl records, well, it has brought me much needed, constructive, joy.
Between my kids growing and moving away to college and a life of their own, the end of my 20 year marriage, and my declining health, JOY was something that had become a stranger.
For me, vinyl records has given me something that I so desperately needed and need.
And you are among the few RUclips producers who I enjoy and understand and trust.
In the grand scheme of things of things, if your videos bring only me happiness, it's still something that I am extremely grateful for.
Btw, I just bought another fully restored 1979 integrated Amplifier.
This time the Yamaha CR-620. I just love the Yamaha sound.
My 1979 Pioneer SA-5800 sounds fabulous, but that Yamaha sound is the sound that I went searching for 3 years, 10 receivers, and 15,000 vinyl records ago. Lolol. That particular truth is both ridiculous and hilarious.
Thank you Brudda
Keep Spinnin'
Bungeebill
Hood Rat Records
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This meant alot to read, and I hope your health improves.
I love restored vintage equipment. I dont think I ever mentioned this on the channel but we had a chance to buy a fully restored 1910 Edison Wax phonograph. It was being offered for a great price and came with wax cylinders. The gentleman demonstrated it for us and we were enamored with it. We ultimately passed and I still wish we hadn't.
Cheers!! 🍺🍺🍺
I had a friend who was making fun of me about my records fixation. I just invited him over to listen. It was nice to see his face changing after the first few notes of "Beat it" by Michael Jackson 😅
I'd love to have seen that, Gianluca - cheers!
With 60 years of collecting and caring for my records one thing that drives me nuts is DUST. You cannot avoid it. Even with anti static sleeves, a Zerostat and climate control it's always there. Just looking at a record will attract it. We really are filthy animals.
MoFi makes a really nice pure cleaning solution. Mine generally play very quietly. A carbon fiber anti static brush dry and then a wet brush works wonders. I never had much luck with Zerostat guns.
Dust is the bane of my existence.
Does it make dense to Buy a Vinyl of a recording labelled digital? For ex Bach violín concertos by Pinnock recorded at the dawn of digital age. If the Master was recorded in cd Quality why don't get it as intended? As cd. What do I gain in Vinyl ?
That's a hard one to answer. Most would recommend going with the CD as is was originally mastered for. For me, there is something about vinyl that adds to it. I always liken it "umami". It's not easy to explain - and is extremely subjective. I have no problem buying a vinyl record that was digitally sourced for that reason. I simply prefer owning it on vinyl.
I listened to a 1970 record by Billy Mitchel today that I purchased last week. It sounded great. No pops, no clicks. And I listen to my vinyl on high end headphones. I see people on the VC who treat their records very haphazardly - shoving them roughly back into their sleeves. I don't get it. These things are expensive! Me, I treat my records like they're made out of nitroglycerin. When that Billy Mitchel album gets sold in an estate sale on day, when I'm dead, it will sound as good as it did this afternoon.
I like that - "like they're made out of nitroglycerin". Perfect! 🍺
I have 100s of records I bought in the 70s that have been played a-lot that are in new condition except for the covers.
Same, Michael - if taken care of - those old records will always sound wonderful.
Yes I don't understand that comment, no matter how careful you are they are going to pick up scratches and warps. Does he play them outside? I have 2000 records collected since early seventies when I was a teenager and took great care in looking after each one before and after playing no scratches or warps. Love the Uri Gellar comment wonder if many people still remember him? excellent video by the way.
Thanks Owen! I was curious if the Uri Gellar reference would resonate with anyone 😂😂😂
I'll just say it: I started collecting vinyl seriously in around 1974 - when I got a "good" turntable. ALL of those records still sound like new. i.e. VG+, or better.
I’m with you. My 40+ year old records sound VG+ with some exceptions.
In 1981 I bought a stereo ststém with a Pioneer 60 watts per chanel recéiver, a Dual 1229Q belt drive turntable with a Shure V15 Type 4 cartridge, and JBL L112 spealers. That was before the CD came out in 1982. I got my firat CD player in 1985 and I was hooked. I've stuck with CDs ever since. I ain't about to go back now, especially after 40+ years. For onw thing, the price is too high.
Vinyl is a much more resilient medium than a lot of people realize. It can take a surprising amount of handling and even some abuse. The biggest problem is people simply don’t clean them. A lot of the time your record isn’t scratched, it’s just dirty.
The comment I get most is that it’s too much work. Which is a fair comment. It’s not for me because I enjoy the “hands on” shall we say part of being a record enthusiast. But if you just want to hit a button and forget about it, that’s cool too. Listen to what you want how you want.
That's my motto. To each his own. I too appreciate the whole ritual of it.
You will never convince anyone vinyl is better if you play a record that is scratched up. That is why I went through my collection and got rid of all the bad ones. The ones I kept sound great.
Great way to keep quality spinning!
I still play the first LP that I ever bought (Blood Sweat & Tears in 1970.) The sound quality is amazing with no noise. 54 years old and my original phono player was not that great. Sounds audiophile!!!
Good old BST!
You are da man…….you tell it the way it is supposed to be ….❤
Cheers 🍺 and thank you!
New subscriber here. I'm not trying to be an antagonist, but I still don't understand how someone could drag the hardest substance known to man across plastic with micro size peaks and valleys and not feel that the album would degrade over time? I haven't watched enough of your videos yet to know what you think about this, but it could explain what that guy is thinking. Also don't understand why some people feel their stylus gets worn down and need replacing unless some other part is faulty. Most vinyl listeners are passionate. And that's good. But I'm a passionate music listener. And that is different. Oh, and I am watching your videos because you seem like a decent guy that might teach me something I didn't know. Thanks
Hi Mike - glad you're here!
A record will degrade over time. The friction from the stylus can wear down the grooves, especially if the turntable isn't properly calibrated (like if the tracking force is too high for example). If all is well with the setup, and the records well cared for, they should last a long time (some of mine are over 4 decades old and sound just as good as they did the day I bought them).
It may be counterintuitive to image a diamond stylus wearing down but it does. Despite diamonds being extremely hard, they're not immune to wear. Friction can gradually wear down the diamond tip. The heat generated (microscopic) also does this. Not all diamonds are created equal as well, so some wear down quicker.
Hope that helps. Thanks for the question - it's my favorite subject 🍺🍺🍺
All my vinyl is peerless. Some of it go back to 1978. And my black Ortofon 2M LVB 25” shibata is PRETTY unforgiving. Still nothing but peerless sound. Must be the Boston thing. I am also in Ma and bought those vinyls when I was living in Boston. Now I live on the western suburbs of, you guessed it! Boston. Funny!
😂😂😂. In NH now. You can take me out of MA, but not the MA out of me 😎
A shibata (any special shape) stylus digs deeper in the groove 'where no man has gone before'. So it will usually play old worn records better than a cheap spherical that grinds the same worn track.
Aside from your handsome face and soothing New England accent, I do enjoy watching your channel and sharing your journey with us. Whenever I hear about all the perceived inconveniences and quality of the vinyl medium, it really makes me laugh as I try to get this Tidal trial to connect through my Denon receiver via HEOS, which Amazon music works just perfectly thru. I can listen to some tracks on my old Mac, but I'm not really getting that really HI-REZ experience thru the computor (Nope, don't have a little dongle DAC to feed it thru) on my headphones, so if I can't get this service to stream to my Denon AV receiver, then I won't be using it going forward. Amazon Music works just fine, but I thought maybe TIDAL had a much better interface to work with, but if I can't get my iphone to get HEOS to get TIDAL streaming like Amazon, then I can't use it, so do I now say STREAMING SUCKS?
You always manage to make me laugh, Alex 🍺
Streaming is great when it works but when it doesn’t then I am with Alex. I have given up Qobuz and Tidal, I use Apple Music which I buy as a bundle with Apple TV. I use it predominately with a Walkman and a decent pair of IEMs for auditioning stuff I might like or downloaded for travel. It will never, ever replace vinyl or even the few CDs I have to have because some releases just aren’t on vinyl. There are a few RUclips channels that are advocates of streaming, they seem to have complicated equipment and so many numbers that reflect quality which are meaningless to a vinyl collector. All I can say is “Hey ho”. There’s room for all sorts.
That's about my use of it too, Pat - as an auditioning vehicle. If I'm reviewing a record for the website, I'll use it to revisit a song quickly, but that's about it. @@patrickroberts8702
Vinyl is the only format other than live that gives you the orchestra pit effect. Nuff said
Cheers, Dan!
Some of it does. I spun my 77 reissue of Led Zeppelin 1 and it was really faint and noisy. I stopped it and put bonus my CD copy. I then pulled out my copy of Grant Green Matador (new) and the damn hole in the middle is too small. I have to push it in. I then put on my original copy of ABC Look of Love and it was perfect. Sometimes vinyl is good and sometimes it isn’t.
True - it definitely has its challenges. No argument there. Those small holes drive me crazy. I have a screwdriver that I keep nearby that works perfectly when I come up against them.
I Owen hundreds of vinyl records. I also own hundreds of CDs. I enjoy Both. but I do find vinyl more interactive and i tend to list rather than just have it as background music , because of the involvement in playback of a vinyl record is more interactive and therefore more enjoyable well fore me anyway and like you I have a compulsion for valve, amplifiers, preamps valve anything 😂😂 I think it’s a slight disease we both have, but I don’t want the cure ❤❤
Lmao, Ian. We are both incurable apparently.
VERY entertaining episode! 🤣👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks, Chris!
I think your friend was overly exaggerating the inconvenience of vinyl we all experienced back in the day. For me it really is about the nostalgia. I’m 57 so I remember the good ole days. The first single I was dying to have was Don McLean American Pie from the day it first became a hit in 1972. If I was born in the 80s, I’m not sure vinyl would mean as much to me.
I'm sure he was exaggerating and I had a lot of fun at his comment's expense to be honest.
Vinyl, CDs and streaming have their good points and bad. You all know what I mean. As for me, I have some records which are not available on CD. I have records from 1948. A lot of records from the 1950's. For instance, The King Sisters "Imagination," from 1957. Now I know that, if you're old enough, you will remember The King Sisters on the Lawrence Welk Show. Grandma's music. But in the mid-fifties they were sly and sexy. "Sweet and Slow" is a prime example. Even though they don't say it in so many words, we all know what this is about.
Hey there, Stanley! And I do remember the Lawrence Welk show. I was young when it was on but I recall it coming on around 7ish on weeknights.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords When I was a kid, it came on Sunday nights at 8:00 o'clock. Just after "Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom." Tomorrow, back to school...
Have a friend and we talk about records all the time. BUT, his main thing is not to buy records to actually listen to, but to buy them to copy to digital so he can archive them. Which....to me...I mean...does that NOT defeat the purpose of buying records?
😂😂😂 It seems that way to me, but to each his own. Interesting approach however!
"No Records are hurt in this Film!" :D Best sentence in this Video! Yeah sometimes u don't have good people in the comments sadly. I had a Comment when somebody said to me: Resident Evil 6 sucks! And i got a Shitstorm on that, only because i said in my Stream when playing Resident Evil Code Veronica, that i wanna try Resident Evil 6 and somebody said immediately that this Game would suck and I said: Just let the people enjoy their Games and don't make everything bad from the Start. - I have a Mainline Gaming Channel here, but cover some Music stuff too!
The trolls are everywhere. Very cool about your channel!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsalso one rule i have learned: Don't feed the trolls!
It depends on what you favor, really. The tactile, 'doing something' of vinyl has always been its draw for me. In times past I have only the fondest memories of getting a new record(s) and sitting with crossed legs on the floor, going over vinyl notes/covers with friends while we listened. It was a social thing, much like before TV when there was only radio. And the fact that as you go up the electronic chain, you usually get more and more out of your records. Even old ones you thought were worn out can profit from newer stylus shapes. Challenge I guess keeps a lot of us going........
Well said, as always, Kevin. New records were always the highlight of my week back then (still are).
@@TheJoyofVinylRecordsI should add after reading some of the comments, I've gotten pleasure out of streaming, lowly mp3s and 90's CDs etc. The difference is that they are 'side venture' audio experiences, as I've put the real money into vinyl/RTR and even cassette. Although less and less on the cassette decks in the last few yrs. Basically, I just keep them 'exercised'.
I must live in a weird bubble. I have not had any such comments on my instagram account; insta seems to be generally more positive, which I like. -- I rather get comments about my musical taste; as a mid-50's scientist "should" be into classical music (yikes; love medieval and baroque, though) and jazz (double yikes). I have a great time talking to my millennial co-workers about latest darkwave releases and recommendations. I like to point out that "classical" music at the time was "pop" music and that most classical music is horribly performed (Bach on the piano!!!). And then I like to point out Image machine learning music (Rob Tones of Throwing Snow) or musician-philosopher collaborations (Noam Chomsky - Chumbawamba) and ask for classical equivalents (there aren't: Holst did not collaborate with Newton or Copernicus on "The Planets"). etc etc. Fortunately, it rarely comes up, and California is pretty open to other views. -- Sorry you are getting exposed to this. I hope the good vibes drown out the occasional aberration. Rest assured, you are doing a great job. LOVE the channel.
Thanks Daniel! It's actually rare that I get them. 99.9% are positive. The funny part is this video attracted a couple vinyl hating trolls. How ironic is that 😂😂😂
I listen to vinyl, high resolution streaming, and the occasional CD.
I consider myself a computer guy. Always liked technology. I would think that digital would be my preference.
I’m not sure what it is, nostalgia, age, or just the fact that there is something there I prefer, I will chose vinyl first. It’s certainly more work than streaming and CDs. Can’t explain it.
Streaming is easy and sounds fantastic as do CDs but I still prefer vinyl.
I think in the end it’s how well the recording was done.
I’ve heard terrible recordings on all three media.
To each his own.
Same. I do agree too, it’s all in how it was mastered and for what format. It can sound wonderful on all three you mentioned.
No matter how careful you are? I was just listening to an album of Bartok's String Quartets on a Columbia Masterworks recording from about 1970. Played perfect and almost indistinguishable from a cd. In fact if I closed my eyes I could imagine the players in front of me. This from an okay Technics direct drive automatic turntable from 1978 and an ADC ZLM cartridge and not a super high end system.
The guy is from the same camp that said cassettes always get eaten based on a three pack of check out line cassette and a boombox.
😂😂😂 Those cheap cassettes 😂😂😂
"Vinyl sucks" I would have to agree. They are a pain to keep pristine and do take up a lot of storage space. However, I find such comments are usually made by very young people who did not grow up listening and enjoying records the same way I did. The reason digital, especially the CD, surpassed the record for so many years was they are far easier to use. Now I see the CD is going the way of the 8-Track and being replaced by streaming. Mostly because of they also need space to store. Even so, despite being such a pain, why have records made a comeback? I suspect people are finding out what I grew up with, no other format connects them to artist and music to the same degree the good old record can. It offers a stand-alone experiential pleasure in of themselves, that people will purchase them, despite not having a Turntable to play them on.
"a stand-alone experiential pleasure " Yep. Agree whole-heartedly.
Digital was made for the masses, since they don't have decent turntables. If you spend 100 bucks on a turntable and 100 on digital, then both sucks, but digital usually sucks less. When you spend 500 then a turntable is very quickly catching up. If you spend something in the area of 2 grand 1000 for the turntable, 300 cartridge, 400 on phono preamp then it starts to get expensive if you want the same quality on digital. However, the digital pain doesn't stop at your playback device. The source is another problem.
You can obviously buy a CD that has kind of the same mastering as the record, but that's an inferior format since it is only 44.1 kHz sampling rate. It is still good enough for the listening experience, but it is not awesome. But if you take the path to streaming then you notice that more and more artists are now remastering their stuff in order to make some money, and these new masterings in 95% of all cases really sound terrible.
So if you want a format that still sounds awesome in like 30 years or more, you simply have to buy vinyl.
But anyway, people usually buy nice hifi gear because it looks nice and they give a crap if it sounds great or not, so yes buy digital, records are already super expensive. Stick with digital if it is good enough for you.
Cheers to all that 🍺
Funny but I had someone once comment to me when I spoke of my collecting and listening to vinyl.. oh yeah I love vinyl too - with all the crackle and pop! They were serious - not being sarcastic! I found that funny & annoying at the same time 😂😖
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I had someone post similar thing on one of my RUclips videos. they said "vinyl sucks, CDs are better". I deleted it not because of the comment but because I couldn't backtrack to the commenter, so anonymous comments (trolls) are deleted. If you can't stand behind your comment, I delete. CDs, to me, inherently "sound better" but Vinyl is more than just the sound. To me, there is a lot more tactile involvement with vinyl and the album artwork is much better enjoyed on a bigger scale. And all the goodies KISS used to put in their albums... you can't fit a cardboard Love Gun in a CD jewel case.
Love those old "goodies" that came with albums - posters, cards, etc.
Hello I’m from the South Shore always looking for Great stores in the area. Are you still ma and do you know any hidden gems? Thanks.
Hi Steven! No - in NH now. I can certainly recommend some up here. There is a great store in Newburyport, MA. Small store near the Grog restaurant. Bought quite a few records there.
Vinyl isn't the best way nowadays to hear music but beside music vinyl represents the golden era of our youth. Besides CDs and digital reproduction vinyl gives very satisfactory music listening demanding the minimum care. Just have a good/new/not worn stylus and a clean record on a leveled turntable and you'll be fine. The problem with Records is their prices for new and used vinyl. They became very expensive last years and is difficult to buy them. I suppose the same will happen to CDs, but if you are also a collector (besides the listrner) everything is ok....
The prices are definitely a barrier. I hate that it will stop some younger folks because of the current prices.
I listen to Qobuz, CDs and Vinyl. No problem liking all of them.
Exactly. It's all about what someone enjoys
some years ago i witnessed a heated debate between 2 intellectual bemouths in a merits of vinyl vs c.d. debate. Much scientific data was exchanged with E.Qs and Ohms being banded about. The conclusion was inconclusive. Having then in desperation sought my uninformed view i simply stated that for my audio set-up in conjunction with my ageing ears i generally preferred vinyl. As such when people state in a matter-of-fact way, without providing support for their argument, their preference for one or other i do not take them seriously. I recently indulged in both formats for the recent Judas Priest album. The difference was not as distinct as i hoped but this maybe due to a lack of 'air' in the music. Conversely bands like, for example, Steely Dan and Little Feat create greater space in their music and in such cases my preference for vinyl is more pronounced. Finally the one great art form the USA created was jazz. Within this idiom i'm a fan of big band jazz which is criminally ignored for vinyl enthusiasts. As my original albums were played on various inferior systems in previous decades i 'm grateful that such recordings can now be easily purchased in the c.d. format.
Hey Barrie! Any big band jazz favorites?
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Yes indeed. Stan Kenton's band is at the top of my favourites list followed by Buddy Rich, Maynard Ferguson, Woody Herman, Count Basie and the Ted Heath band. My all time favourite piece of music is Stan Kenton's 'Malaga' from 1972 if you are interested.
I will look that up! @@Baz63
Well he did say he had “crates and crates” of records that were mysteriously getting warped and scratched! Maybe rethink your storage strategy instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water 🤣🤣🤣
Right?
Great video lol
And Yes they do last a LONG time, I have a copy of Crusaders Chain Reaction which is 45 years old and has an amazing sound quality, great bass, excellent dynamics an soundstage and I hammer it at the moment as it has turned into an earworm 🙄
Carry on doing what you do, it's all good stuff.
Thank you Ian!
Single guy here for clarification. "Vinyl is way too expensive." as they show me pictures of their kids, all with braces. Well when you don't have kids you can splurge a little. But they won't get it since it doesn't fit in "their" world.
Lol. We are empty nesters now - so guess where that extra money goes now 😂😂😂
Cds or 12 inch are both great I prefer cds but buy both but don't use the word vinyl except for flooring
Tone and dynamics are all in the MASTERING, nothing todo with digital carrier or vinyl carrier!!
I grew up on vinyl being probably your age, BC nothing else existed back then except hissy tape.
NEVER have I played brand NEW full price vinyl right out of the shrink wrap, that didn't have some annoying clicks,
no it was not static electricity, BC the clicks always played at the same place in the songs, they became part of the song.
and YES I always had audiophile $$$ equipment, the cheapest digital NON-LOSSY format such as 16 bit CD, is far BETTER than mechanically engraved BULLSHIT vinyl. in 1972 its all we had,
TODAY ALL VINYL IS MASTERED from DIGITAL sources, this includes archived analog tape. truly analog vinyl is a tiny market, see MOFI GATE, decades of digitally made vinyl and not one could tell the difference that their pure analog nirvana is actually listening to someone else DAC/amp into the mechanical cutter.
No disagreements here 🍺
BTW, that looks like a uTurn Plus? I'm a DD guy and have three of them. But a couple of years ago a guy had tried out vinyl and decided he didn't like it, so he was putting up his brand new turntable, five or six new records, and his record cleaning stuff, including liquid and even a record vacuum, all for $125. So now I have a uTurn plus. But mine has the Ortofon OM10 (the P Mount style). That blue is a heck of a lot better. One thing I hate about that TT is that I keep accidentally knocking the belt off the platter. Back in the early 70's, my first decent TT was a Technics SL-23 belt drive. But back then the belt was under the platter, and it had pitch control, as did most of the good ones. That mattered because I was a trombone player and had a few "music minus one" records. It was easier to change the pitch than to tune my trombone to the record. I still have one of those.
BTW, I moved on to bass in 1998, and the reason is in this joke: What's the difference between a trombone player crossing the street and a snake crossing the street? The snake might be going to a gig.
It's a uTurn Custom Orbit that I bought a few years ago before picking up my Thorens TD 160 Super.
Agreed about the belt! I was always knocking it off too. The new U-Turns have a groove in the platter t keep it in place now.
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Goin' for the classics! Bob Bradley (local youtuber) picked up an even older idler drive Thorens that is truly beautiful. I used to sell Thorens back in the 70's. My only complaint was that I thought at the time that they were too expensive. Plus, I was twitterpated with the new DD tables. But that Thorens that you have is one dead quiet unit! 'Course, overall quality depends on the tonearm you plugged in.
It has a Rega Moth tonearm(which I believe was rebranded). @@ReasonablySane
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords Well that setup is certainly a step up from the uTurn. I confess that the uTurn is the only one of my TT's where if you are careful you can hear the motor in the speakers. None of my DD's do that. And I'm pretty sure your Thorens doesn't.
I don't mean to be hard on the uTurn. For the bucks it's a great table. I'm glad they put the groove in the platter. BTW, I installed mine with a class D amplifier into a late 1960's console stereo. I kept the original speakers, but with new crossover. It's a big slice of retro awesomeness. I use it in my shop building, which is a bit silly, but still...
The naysayers are always there to distract us from the cause! My guess is folks who make comments like those are just trolling and don't have any sort of quality audio system to engage with. I enjoy the physical experience of holding the album in my hand and having to go to the turntable to lay the album down on the platter to play it! Lining up the stylus to hit the songs at the beginning is a real skill!
Cheers! A man after my own heart
I love my vinyl, 95% of my listening is to vinyl, but as vinyl lovers we also should acknowledge that vinyl is far less convenient in every possible way than other sources and far more expensive. Yes, with the proper investment in time, energy and expense it sounds better than any source other than perhaps reel to reel - which is even more inconvenient and far more expensive than vinyl. In the end, love is not a rational thing, it's an emotional thing. So two things perhaps can be true at once . . . I love vinyl and vinyl sucks. It feels good to say it out loud.
You put it wonderfully, Larry. " love vinyl and vinyl sucks." 🍺🍺
And this is why I transfer my vinyl to cassette! ?? !
😂😂😂 put it onto a real to real very fiddly very expensive, definitely audiophile and yes I did get the joke
@@ianyates7742 reel to reel is the best, watch the comparison online of dark side on 4 different formats. Reel to reel was the clear winner
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Rick, when people write that vinyl sucks, they probably really believe it. You gave good illustrations in this video as to why they probably have that opinion.
If you hooked them up to a lie detector machine, most of them would show to be telling the truth.
The others are likely envious of what is financially out of their reach. If they won the lottery, they would run right to the high end store and order VPI's flagship turntable, and post all about it on-line.
I have often replied to people that leave "vinyl sucks" comments, and asked them how did they come to their conclusion that vinyl sucks.
I have almost never had anyone give me a civil answer.
I have gotten lots of responses. But rarely answers.
(responses are not necessarily answers -- just watch politicians being interviewed)
When someone gives me a cogent answer, it is usually the sound quality.
I then ask them about the equipment that they are using, and was it set up (or dialed in) properly. That is usually the end of having a meaningful dialog.
@4:40 -- He probably had a low end turntable, using a low end receiver, with its built-in low end phono amp, playing poor sounding pressings.
Then CDs came along. From his perspective / experience, CDs are absolutely better than vinyl.
Why does his watch your vinyl related videos?
My guess is that he cannot understand what compels people to enjoy what he honestly believes is garbage sound quality.
Ironically, he is the one missing out on the glorious sound of vinyl (assuming he can afford a reasonably good turntable, etc, set-up).
As to deleting comments...
I have a very high tolerance. Short of the comment being at odds with the law, or inappropriate for children, I believe that in a public forum, everyone's voice should be heard. It is why it is the First Amendment in our Bill Of Rights -- and foul mouthed tyrants existed back then, too.
One other exception is spam.
If someone decides to use The Joy of Vinyl Records to promote elections to their school board, or to rant about their neighbor's dog, well, I might click the delete button.
I really am averse to deleting comments and I think I can count on two hands the number of times I've felt inclined to do it. I'm going to regret saying this, but the trolls on this channel have been at a minimal - and I've just jinxed myself.
I think it’s okay to delete trollish comments. Some people like to spark contention, which doesn’t bring joy to any mentally healthy person. And after all, this channel is about the JOY of vinyl records. So thank you for bringing a little bit of joy to my day.
And thank you for being here!@@sonlighter01
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords I am offended by sonlighter01's comment. Please delete it.
(yuk yuk -- just kidding)
@@NoEgg4u 😂😂😂
Maybe the guy who complains that all his records ended up warping and full of scratches should take them out of his trunk and put the record in the sleeves!!
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I don’t get why anyone cares. If you like listening to music on AM radio I don’t care. Glad you like it.
I was born in 1964 so I grew up with vinyl, but when the first CD player hit the market, a Sony CDP 101 (I loved that CD player.) I brought my vinyl collection to a store and sold them all to buy CDs. The owner of the store asked me why I selling them and I said “CDs are the future.” He scoffed at me. Little did I know 35 years later I’d be buying LPs again and buying all the albums I loved as a kid again.
To me it’s nostalgia, sound quality (still hate clicks and pops.) and sitting through a record from beginning to end as the artist intended me to do. I still have CDs and I stream music. Why not have it all?
Oh and you must be working on that accent. I don’t hear it. :)
I do alot of podcasting so have always tried to "dampen" the accent. I fail most of the time.
I'm a CD collector, and currently just looking for all the early eighties pressing of my favorite albums from the 70's, 80's and 90's. The "Animals" new remixes is to me just way better than the 80's and 90's pressing, and is the one to get, but surely, many will disagree. Some says "the dark side of the moon" is the best Pink Floyd album ever, but for me, it is "the wall". To me, "the wall" has a better production, and the mastering job is superb. There is two thing that make me put "tdsotm" as Floyd's second best. I don't like the song "money", i know it's fans favorite, but to me it just ruined the whole excellent album because of the bad songwriting for this song, and then the production and mastering, it lacks of bass, unlike "the wall" which is way better, and has many great songs on it. I listen to all this albums from many version of the CD's, and only CD, because i knew the sound stay true to the original recording. I understand, many vinyl listeners prefer something that CD may not offers them for their listening pleasure. I'm looking forward to buy the 50th anniversary of "tdsotm" (on CD of course), and hopefully the sound will improve so i can get to enjoy the album more.
I recently picked up the 50th on vinyl and love it. I bet you will to when you grab the CD. Let me know what you think.
I'm lucky in that i don't have any audiophile friends, so all my friends think my records are cool 😀
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My response to “Vinyl Sucks” I would have said “That’s fine. Be constructive and tell us why” of “Be constructive and tell us why, otherwise you don’t sound like a adult here”
Excellent response!
Very much like the saying "Pointing out flaws without offering a solution is called "complaining". 😉
My impressions are that I can`t make presumptive statements that vinyl is always better that CD, or vise versa. Also some streamed music sounds better than vinyl or CD, some doesn`t. I have vinyl that was purchased in the early 70`s that have been treated not excessively with care, but definitely not abused, and they continue to sound wonderful. Generally it depends on how well they were recorded , mastered, and pressed. I have LP s that were released from the 40`s thru the 60`s that sound fabulous. My opinion is that having these absolute assessments of what is good or bad , can limit my access to, and enjoyment of the music ,which may be more or less available depending on the format.Thanks for video Rick.
I can easily point to some CDs which sound better than the vinyl version because of when they were mastered. And vice versa for some vinyl pressings which sound superior. You make extremely valid points.
Also you do sound like Ben Aflec from Charlestown in “The Town”! Just saying 🤣
I've learned to live with this accent 😂😂😂
OK I will admit, I have been guilty of saying U2 sucks, I just don’t like them, I even saw them in concert, first American tour, at a small club in Cleveland. But I come to realize that saying things like that are not constructive. I will maybe go say now, they are not my cup of tea, cause do they really suck, probably not, a lot of people like them, and that is ok. Just as I do not like them, and that is ok too. Sure I have some albums that are really scratched up, for they are from the 1969 -1972 era, when I was using an RCA portable, with one of those tonearm, that had the felt pad at the end, and a floating ceramic cartridge in that, and I never ever change the stylus, that is all on me.
I've had many conversations about my opinion of U2 - which mirrored yours. I've softened over the years - probably nostalgia
vinyl requires a genuinely hifi setup, before you will hear the benefits. have to believe the people behind these comments have never heard a genuinely decent system.
Gotta love vinyl haters - more elbow room to flip at the record shows. Think positive 😊.
Ha! Perfect! 🍺
Much of my Vinyl sounds worse than CD’s or streaming. Some of my vinyl sounds as good, or good enough for me to disconnect from the digital world. I tune out and into vinyl played through tube amps for that reason. A few vinyl records I have sounds better. I often hear the tape hiss and other imperfections of the original recording, and in that is removed in many digital, and in that hiss, or near that hiss is some additional music. But there are the occasional pops and wear that is annoying.
Regional accents on media, news, film, and tv are so rare now days, that yes…I do like hearing your Boston accent, but it is not enough for me to stay. Keep up your regularly scheduled programming.
I will admit when I hear a pop on one of my old records I get annoyed 😂
The sad fact is, there are countless, small-minded, angry people on the internet. Every YT video, on every topic is bound to have a few "Mr. Bringdown"* types who's greatest joy is to turn civility on its head.
* a 1960's counterculture reference: Mr. Bringdown is a character in the R. Crumb penned series of ZAP comix
I never knew that! I am going to use that term "Mr Bingdown" going forward.
Well you have to agree with a guy vinyl does suck sometimes. It takes a bit of patience technical know-how setup is important equipment is important and that doesn't necessarily mean expensive but some investment. you can't expect to plug it into your "receiver" and get great sound. maintenance of Records make sure you clean them don't keep them in the paper sleeves, because that can scratch your records quite easily invest in some polypropylene sleeves. It's not an instant thing like a download or even a CD player to get it to sound great .
What is that valve phono stage you got looks interesting how much?
I am the first to admit that cleaning does get old.
The tube amp is a Galion TS-120. Bought it about a year ago. www.galion-audio.com/pages/ts120
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords no the phono stage not Thomas's amp, behind your left shoulder
Ahhh, - that's a Tavish classic tavishdesign.com/@@jedi-mic
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords what do you think of it it doesn't look like a nice design inside messy $60 is cheap, have you got a favourite phonostage ?
I believe the $60 is for schematics to build your own - the Tavish amps run from a bit over $700 to $2000. Wonderful phonostage and fully tube driven. There's a few folks who have tried them out and swear by them. @@jedi-mic
The high end audio press, who are infinitely more influential than any commentor, early on, took the position that cds suck. They were ALL WRONG. It was the players that sucked! But for a while, the sound was pretty bad. Some people really got that into their heads, and an elitist attitude grew up around being a vinyl person. They felt like they had superior knowledge, as your average person on the street believed from the mass influencers that cds sounded better. Now that cd playback at its best has technologically caught up to vinyl sonically, these people's beliefs seem to be so deep rooted, that they stay, & they are willing to pay big bucks for lps. Back when vinyl playback was really far superior, obtaining lps couldn't have been cheaper. Their love of vinyl. and belief in its superiority remains, in light of many things, including the Mofi controversy, where the coveted lps they were holding in their hands, revealed themselves to be be...DIGITAL! I guess beliefs becaome ingrained and stay beliefs, even in the light of many things saying otherwise.
Of course anyone saying that vinyl sucks, is really saying how dumb and ridiculous it is for people to be spending such time, effort and expense to find the best pressings, when in most cases, cds for very little miney could be the best pressings. Old Sheffield Labs lps and some releases by the best audiophile lp companies of today, being the possible exceptions. They're both really good. It's 2024! But one costs many times less and has about 30 advantages over the other. If you have great sounding cd playback equipment; the choice is obvious. If you have a major collection of clean lps, you certainly would want to keep your turntable. But to expand your collection, investing in a great cd player, could actually save you money in the ling run. Some cds are pretty collectible and are worth pretty good money. If you buy a lot of 100 cds, chances are that 3 or 4 of them will be collectibles and worth enough money to pay for the rest, if you find the right buyers.
I appreciate your try to relativise different opinions on cd. But you are forgetting the massive amount of media brainwashing. Add campaigns AGAINST vinyl and for cd still resonate in people's minds. It was a great scam to make consumers rebuy all their favorite music at double the price. Consumers who already payed for the copyrights for those recordings. I never saw cd prices based on just the medium (plus distribution etc). Remember the prattling of the record companies when people started downloading for free?
That said: early cd's did suck. Mastering often was lazy, only 14bit, from worn masters etc etc. Everything to supply the demand. The cd-players were great, only the DACs and their implementation were really, really bad.
That is why I almost killed my music hobby the day I bought a cd-player. It just wasn't captivating anymore. After the 'wow' it was just 'meh'...what's on tv? Or, in my case; what can I do on my computer?
Fortunately I had a few writers in magazines (MF is one) who assured me I wasn't crazy to like LPs better. Because they sound better. Always have and still do.
The last decade DACs have really improved to the point they came close in my system. With a lot of diy and modifications. But I did that too on my phonostage. Vinyl is still far more resolving and dynamic in my setup.
If you look at the bad things there's always something to dislike. But you need to look at (listen to) the good things. Can it emote you?
I agree on a few things you said, but strongly disagree on the rest. I agree that the music industry was trying to get double the price of vinyl, when cds were introduced. But they were not as you said "making you buy your whole collection over, on cd." Even with their media helpers saying cd sounded better, that's hardly making you buy your whole collection over again, or any part of it.. By eventually phasing out vinyl, they ARE guilty of removing your option of buying newly released music on vinyl.. No one can "make you" do anything as far as purchases. And also there was still the used lp market; stores back then, pre internet. The same sort of thing happened decades before, when people accused the audio industry of making them pay double to buy two amps and two speakers instead of the one amp and one speaker that Mono required. But again, it was the consumers ultimate decision, not anyone forcing them to do anything.
As far as your saying that lps have better resolution, sound quality or emotion involvement. For the sake of accuracy, I try to avoid making blanket statements like that. Anyone who does, hopes that others don't realize that they have only heard a very small % of the enormity of what is out there. Especially now, with so few brick and mortar stores, that you can actually go in and listen to a lot of stuff. In truth, I'm afraid that the only person who can make definitive statements on the ceiling potential of cd (or vinyl), is someone who owns the absolute best players on the market. And since no one is even sure WHAT IS the BEST, that's not even possible. The highest priced equipment is not necessarily the best; or even very good; often. You saying that early cd players were great but had horrible sound because of their DACs, is a self contradiction and is akin to saying that someone is a great person, except for their mind.
Generally speaking, it was never the cds that were bad; I have planty of early cds that sound great. Mastering is way more important than amount of bits, and unless you were actually there, no one knows what tapes they took out of the vaults, with either the early cds or the modern ones.
Lps DO NOT have some magical quality that turns on your emotions, like some people in vinyl fantasy land would like you to believe, right along with them.. Emotions are inside your head, the music is outside your head. Less than great cd playback, (like most people have), sounds like it has something wrong with it. Get your cd playback to a point where mine is at, and there is nothing wrong about the sound quality, and it is as conducive to drawing you in as vinyl is. I have in the past used turntables of a very high order and top of the line moving coil cartridges, and preamps that major audio reviewers used as their reference, and I hear better sound quality on my redbook cds than my black vinyl.
Michael Fremer said in print that the Mofi lp, Abraxas by Santana had the greatest sound quality he has ever heard, and unknown to him at the time; it was a digital lp.
I wish I didn't like vinyl! I hope my son will get into vinyl so he will not have money for drugs
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"... pick up scratches and warps over the years." I have LPs and 45s that I bought over 50 years ago that are pristine because I took good care of them, not fanatical care but just common sense. I was hoping that record you destroyed was a Taylor Swift, lol.
Not directed at you personally, but since you brought up Taylor Swift…I don’t get the anti-Swifties. She’s not my taste in music, but that’s ok, millions of people love her. There were a whole lot of people back in the day making the same complaints about Elvis and then the Beatles. “That’s not real music”. “It’s a fad”. If nothing else, she’s gotten a lot of younger folks into vinyl. I think I recently read where out of the top 10 LPs sold last year, 7 or 8 of them were Taylor Swift records (and Fleetwood Mac’s “Rumours”, for whatever reason). And that’s a good thing IMO.
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Oh I don't have anything against her music, and in fact I like some of it. But like Katy Perry and Lady Gaga who I really enjoyed artistically, I get turned off by these clueless spoiled girls who use their influence politically. But it's not just them as I detest the whole leftist crowd in Hollywood. I just wish they'd all keep it to themselves.
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@@chrislj2890 that’s what the old folks said about Bob Dylan back in the day. The times they are a changin.
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Well this old folk doesn't like it so get off my lawn! 😉
A funny video, played with nearly a straight face. One or two stupid comments among the hundreds of interesting and varied responses is not a bad strike rate.
lol. No - I seriously can't complain. It's only around .01%. I had to have fun with it though. Hope it came across that way. Thanks, Pat!
@@TheJoyofVinylRecords The video came across as a mixture of wonderment and laughter. The inserted clips were great, especially when that heavy metal album was hurled from the window. You have probably got a few more that could get the same treatment. I read many of your received replies, the balance is really great from the long term, knowledgable collector who is sharing wisdom right through to the guy who has just started collecting. Lots of us souls that “lost” a collection and have started again. Your broadcasting style is inclusive and non confrontational, we feel that we know you and are even friends. You reply to 99% of your responders. Those that can’t express a view politely should just suffer the delete button. I am going to buy a Doors’ album - the first one or Greatest hits?? All the best, Pat
Thanks, Pat! As for the Doors - oh boy, tough question. I love the first album. It's tied with LA Woman as my favorite one - bookends to their career. If you want to just hear the radio hits and familiar songs, then you can't go wrong with the Greatest Hits.
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