DEBATE: The UFC Prime GOAT with Mike Bisping
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- True Geordie discusses which of the EA Sports UFC 4 Prime Icons had the Greatest Prime out of Georges-Saint Pierre, Anderson Silva, Joanna Jędrzejczyk, Alistair Overeem, Khabib Nurmagomedov and Michael Bisping (who weighs in on the debate himself)
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Big thanks to Mike Bisping for joining us on this GOAT debate. Who do you choose?
Khabib no question
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@Die lul prime Tony Ferguson beats khabib and if you can't see that your deluded . Your a fool to think if he carried on that he would have stayed undefeated.
@@solooutlawz2685 yeah khabib when he only has beaten 5 good fighters with a fixed record. Prime Ferguson beats prime khabib.
@Die lul I think Khabib is like Ronda who left before he was find out
This is actually LEVELS with content. The whole editing, conversation, the lot. Absolutely unreal, MOTD style debates. Cool as fuck lads! Watched since 10,000 subs.
That guy with the blonde hair was being way too nerdy with it
Brandon he has a channel mma on point that’s what he does. Very analytical.
@@brum4692 Literally his job 💀💀
Bro it’s crazy the talent that Brian has accumulated, I don’t see anyone competing on a production, editing and quality of chat
@@brum4692 How the hell is he blonde?
Give GSP a rest Brian 🤣
GSP is like Manchester United. Both ruined Brian’s childhood. You can see he’s stung by GSP
100% agree. The guy hates GSP so much so he discredits his own countrymen
In fairness gsp was frustrating as fuck so boring to watch aswell at times great fighter especially for that era but he had 0 personality either
@@fraserlewis6905 what does personality have to do with anything. The guy was friendly as hell and an actual good person as well. Just because he wasn't a dickhead like McGregor or Jones doesn't make him bad fighter. For me, it puts him as a better martial artist because that's what it's all about, respect and discipline.
Alright Karl there's no need for all that effin and jeffin in ya handle
@@fraserlewis6905 I donno if I agree with any of your points. I thought he was extremely entertaining; and sure, for a good while there, he didn't finish his fights. But, people don't realize the difficulty it takes to out wrestle a Division 1 Wrestler like Josh Koscheck and out Grapple an elite grappler like Jake Shields. The Hendricks fight was entertaining and imo GSP won that. Knowing now that Hendricks was most likely on PEDs makes that win even more impressive imo. GSP DID stop Bisping in great fashion. That all doesn't mention how he avenged every loss he had in spectacular fashion and dominated all time greats like Matt Hughes and BJ Penn
Damn, what did GSP do to Brian ? 😂 The dude is hating so hard lmao
Entertainment - Anderson
Perfection - Khabib
Consistency - GSP
I wouldn't have khabib anywhere near any goat list
@@alixreynolds2044 well no one asked u lol
All the above: Sonnen
@@alixreynolds2044 explain?
Was just going to say this
Michael bisping is surely one of the most underrated fighters of this day and age. Great guy in and out of the ring
Nah, he seems to get exactly the credit he deserves and is well beloved
@@ipredictacatastrophe4370 yeh I agree, he gets his props these days
@@ipredictacatastrophe4370 ya i agree that he gets the credit for his accomplishments but not enough for the fact that he did it with one functioning eye
How tf is he underrated?
@@Rithvik-we9gg it is always mentioned also. In this very video in fact. A lot of people (I don't mean you, though I do disagree with you) do seem to think "underated" just means "good".
Love this type of round table discussion. You guys should do these for different mma or other fighting topics. Even without commentary on the event this discussion is sick!
The most special about Khabib is that he was So dominant that he never lost, never got knocked down, never bleed and Absolutely nobody in this list comes close to this level of dominance .. this is crazy
Facts
Jon iones never lost. I would like to see kabib After 14 defences like jones, when the motivation dips or he meets some different styles etc etc.
@@Matt10264 Jon also failed steroid tests and won a few very questionable decisions where as with Khabib he barely lost a round.
@@underratedmlg9212 kabib only defended three times. If jones retired after so few defenses he could say the same lol. Jones beat ore fighters with more styles, more matchups despite dip in motivation. And as diaz says "everyones on steroids"
@@Matt10264 Jones is a beast but I don't consider those who failed drug tests in the goat conversation. For me, goat status is tied between Khabib and GSP and yes it is possible they were on steroids but it hasn't been proven. Also Jones last fight was VERY questionable with many people thinking he lost which is not a good look for Jones when Dominic Reyes went on to get knocked out twice after their fight.
I'd give it to GSP because of how well rounded he is. His game has no weak points.
GSP is the fighter that forced all other MMA fighters to round out their game. He was the first guy that wasn't a wrestler or BJJ guy, he wasn't a boxer or a striker. He was the guy that was going to find your weakness and expose it because he was that good at everywhere.
No fighter was more ahead of their time or more influential to MMA than GSP.
He deffo lost against Hendricks. And he had lost against Serra and Hughes, altho he revenged both.
@@tha1f1ghter Well he for sure beat Hendricks (won rds 1,3,5) but that fight shows why judging should be changed so 10-8's and 10-7's can be used more. But under the scoring system at the time GSP won 3 of 5 rounds and you can't give Hendricks a 10-8 in rds 2 or 4.
And of course he lost to Serra and Hughes. But no MMA or UFC fighter can stay at the top as long as GSP did and beat as many all time greats as he did without having a few losses along the way. All the greats have lost or will lose if they stick around long enough. GSP would have unavenged losses eventually too if he fought long enough into his 40's or whatever.
@@sm0keyMcP0t420 I'll have to re-watch that fight, been many years since it happened. But i remember thinking how the F JH didnt get the nod.
Regardless of the steroids, Jon Jones prime was absolutely amazing and needed mentioning
Especially since Jones fought in a pre USADA era when he became champ, meaning everyone actually was on steroids.
Brian clearly has a distate towards GSP
More collabs with Mike would be awesome a very gd video would be great to have him in the studio with you but obviously a lot of logistics to contend with there a very good conversational partnership between Brian and Mike great chemistry
At this point Geordie hates GSP because he didn't give him an interview😂
Geordie would probably be a big fan all of a sudden if GSP came on his show
Khabib has had the most 10-8 rounds of anyone in the UFC. 13 fights in the UFC and only lost two rounds that most people thought he won except the third round against Conor. All the others have lost many rounds.
And even still he’s not close to being the goat, funny that
@@CarlG-xu6qe He's the Goat and the most dominant ever. Will never be another Khabib.
@@makatelli you cannot in any world be the goat with only 4 title fights that’s just not reasonable
@@CarlG-xu6qe being Goat has nothing do with title fights. Greatest ever. Khabib is the greatest. If he had a title fight after 2 fights in the UFC like Anderson he would have had 11 btw.
@@CarlG-xu6qe You 100% can, especially when 80% of the other GOAT nominees are PROVEN cheats.
Khabib was still getting better
Prime Anderson was something else man, unreal watching him in his prime
The problem with comparing older generations is everyone always dismisses as if the fighter wouldn’t have trained different and been as effective. An example is you kind of discredit GSP by saying he fought wrestlers and that was his generation. Do you not think GSP would have evolved with the newer era? Most definitely he would have. GSP and other fighters from older eras were phenomenal athletes and trained to win against who they were given. They definitely would have trained different and learned different techniques in todays era.
Furthermore, I think that this point should always be brought up because this is a speculative topic to begin with, unless one brings this point up, shouldn't one only ever compare fighters of the same era (or somewhat overlapping time periods)? Otherwise on the basis of the argument that athletes evolve with time (which is not incorrect) there should be no reason to compare people from different eras because the answer will always be the person who is currently dominant (or was dominant a few years ago). This idea could change in the future if there is a severe case of diminishing returns as far as advancements in fighting regimes go, but it will certainly hold good for fighters of the past who physically had no choice but to fight in their own era.
Gsp didn’t need to evolve he had the best jab in the game and ruthless takedowns an top control
The way I see it is the next generation won’t be as good unless there was something to learn from in the last generation. that’s why to me the goat conversation is dumb, but not only because of that but because Time has bit ended so how do we know who the best of all time was?
Crazy thing is, the generation that was largely one dimensional wrestlers/strikers without well rounded skills is the one before GSP (Matt Hughes and his era), GSP’s era (some of which are still around) were the first to be truly well rounded mixed martial artists
Also Glover Texira is a great example of how fighters would change their training with time
This is the first time I'm hearing of Michael's injury pre the GSP fight, what a legend!
Prime vs Prime and Career vs Career are 2 different things.
Prime Khabib there was nobody even remotely close to him, Gaethje, Poirier and Mcgregor were all in their prime and he made all 3 of them look absolutely helpless, they had no success at all against him.
There has never been a champion in any weight division in the UFC who was that untouchable.
Technically, Physically, and Mentally he was on another level to everyone in the division.
Career wise, he was cut short, and because he was levels above everyone else, there aren't really any of those legendary wars that fans love.
Truth
Totally agree, but mcgregor prime is ufc 205
Mc Gregor was not in his prime in UFC 229 don’t even try it. Why is everyone sucking this guys balls 😂😂😂😭 he was GOOD but most dominant ever ?!!!!! U lot are crazy
@@joelgodwin9916 honestly, he’s lost to Poirier and now people just discredit him so much. Really forgetting what he did against Aldo, his run to the belt and then decimated Alvarez
well, to me prime usman or prime gsp were just as impressive as khabib
ACTUAL 3 GOATs-
KHABIB
GSP
DJ
(Silva ruined his goat status by so many losses at the end of career, and let's not talk about steroid jones)
That was post leg-break. Nobody is the same after that injury.
Khabib should not be in there its
Jon jones
Gsp
Silva
GSP is the GOAT! 2 division champ, 2 times welter weight champ, with 9 title defenses and 13 title fight wins.
He’s 100% the overall GOAT, I’d have Silva edge him in his prime though
@@karambwan1649 Silva has been caught with peds, imo if he use steroids to build his legacy that removes him from GOAT status.
GSP has a loss to the likes of Matt Sera. That's a big big problem
@@EE-kt8sh a loss which he avenged. it wasnt like Serra was dominating him, he just caught a lucky punch. the 2nd fight kinda proved that
Love Cain Velasquez getting a mention and rightly so, in his prime he beats anybody
Oooo I dunno. I love cain and I’m not dying on this hill, but I do think Stipe would have caused him problems. Stipe is by far the superior boxer and puts people out with his hands in a way Cain never did and he showed some really good TD defence against Cormier. But it would have been amazing for sure.
@@otisthebeefyone8206 lol Cain does not have the body of a roided freak
@@bradleythompson2644 Werdum even at sea-level could have still caused Cain problems because he wasn't playing into Cain's style.
Prime Jon Jones would beat him
He lost in his prime
George hands down, the shear number of killers he dispatched of, all while being pretty much one of the only clean athletes in the ufc
I completely agree that GSP is the GOAT but you can’t honestly think he wasn’t on some form of PEDs, you can’t be that naive 😂
@@zacknight9137 did he test positive and his physique always remained the same
True MMA is about a fighters skill level. Khabib’s skill level was something different. He was levels above anyone else in the toughest division. Let that sink in. No one has ever had a skill level so dominant. People get sucked into title defences etc but Khabib would easily obliterate anyone even if he had more fights.
I know we cant assume but man, really don't think anyone currently in LW can beat him.
He was also huge for the weight as evidenced by his repeated failures to make weight.
@@RossKempOnYourMum01 casual nonsense. Khabib, Dustin and Justin are damn near identical height/bodymass when competing. Get your eyes checked.
@@RossKempOnYourMum01 max Holloway failed a weight cut to make 55 and he fights at 45 every time what are you taking about have u ever cut weight before 🤣🤣
@@fraserlewis6905 Great response
Khabib is the definitive answer. His dominance was insane. Show me another fighter his division was this happy when he retired so they can finally get a crack at the gold?
Can’t call him the best when he retired in his prime
GSP.
Fought a bunch of bums.
Absolutely loved the video and the whole conversation. Really looking forward to more MMA content. If I had one gripe, it would be the fact that you guys kind of laid out the basis for figuring out who would be the best in terms of their prime, but then you kind of went towards who had the overall better career. When it comes to the goat convo, with the likes of GSP, Silva, Fedor, DJ and Jones in the mix, imo Khabib doesn't even make top 5 in all of MMA, but when it comes to pure dominance, I have a hard time figuring out anyone who had the sheer level of dominance in their prime that Khabib did. Fedor, Jones and Silva all arguably have similarly dominant performances, and their runs were far longer, but Khabib brought in a new level of wrestling that was similar to Royce Gracie's jiujitsu in the first UFC. Nobody had an answer to that style for a long time. And so they basically had to adopt it for themselves. I thought with Gaethje being an All American Division I wrestler and possessing explosive power (arguably the hardest hitter in the division), we may have found the answer to Khabib, but he made Justin look like he never grappled before in his life. And Poirier in my opinion, is more well rounded than any one of GSP's opponents and he looked, as you guys put it, paralyzed in that fight. You could argue that Silva brought in the same level of dominance in terms of the striking, but that was neutralized by Chael with his wrestling, in BOTH their primes, so imagine what a hypothetically similar weighing Khabib would bring to that fight. Would it have ended the same with Silva catching that triangle? I don't know and I can't say, but purely because of the fact that we still haven't found an answer to his style, I'd say that in their primes, Khabib would take it. And thats usually the case for any fighter, since fighters grow and develop and get better over time, its fair to say that even the mid-tier contenders of today would be able to take out the champions of the early UFC's in their prime. Its just a matter of time and not a knock on the older fighters, its clear that athletes are always getting better in every sport.
Khabib is the goat. When u know what my game plan is and u still can’t stop it that’s different
Keep this fight content coming Geordie, been smashing it recently!
@True Geordie Sir ,please keep uploading MMA content on a regular Basis Sir,We may not agree on very few points once in a while,but you keep it real..Love You and wish u all the best Sir!
Khabib no doubt. Prime vs Prime, not Career vs Career.
Jon Jones would kill him
@@bumpa_bb7162 Nah, LW Jon absolutely wouldn't
3 defences is no where near goat
@@timcahill4676 Nobody in the history of UFC LW division had more defences than Khabib. Nobody in LW history had more than 3 defences. So yeah, GOAT.
@@casus4781 strange logic considering ufc isn’t just made up of 155 and bj penn has the same amount of defences
It’s quite wholesome how we’ve watched Brian go from a casual to an actual fan
Hasn't he always had this knowledge? I don't think there's a video where he says things that make him a causal.
GSP has lost a fight... Khabib has lost a round in his whole career (that too is controversial)
"Lost a Round in his whole career"
Where is the comparison!!!
Great podcast, Anderson Silva for me prime for prime! 🕷 best stand up in MMA history.
although i wouldn’t count khabib as the goat, i think he’s probably one of the only fighters i’ve ever watched who i can never see being defeated ever
Its just that he left too early without defending the belt and Usman would sleep him right now
He lost in sambo
Usman defends his takedowns and knocks him out
Michael Bisping, pure class, hof, legend and a cracking guy! 👍✌
For me it's GSP because of the insane list of killers he beat. Most people, especially newer fans underrate the guys he beat.
He beat 4 UFC Hall of Famers, 6 UFC champions (Bisping, Hendricks, Penn, Sera, Sherk, Hughes) the Strikeforce WW champ Diaz, the Strikeforce MW champion Shields and the WEC WW champion Condit who was also a UFC interim champ and arguably beat Lawler for the undisputed title.
What a group of lads, great to have Gio and Tom in these chats
Out of the candidates in their prime:
- Who had the most 10-8 rounds? Khabib
- Who lost the least rounds? Khabib
- Who had less to no damage? Khabib
- Who looked the most unbeatable? Khabib
The guy was a big short man fighting guys who ain't naturally heavier that's why think most of the weight cutting is ridiculous
Khabib was the most dominant fighter in UFC history. He was levels above the competition. LW is recognised as the best division because its competitive and full of killers. Khabib ran through them easily.
yes, but can you agree in terms of GOAT, you simply have to factor longevity in the discussion thus disqualifying khabib there. but he can still be the best prime sure
Khabib ?!!!! Are u smoking bouj?! The guy was good but most dominant in history ? Bro Khabib has had 15 ufc fights in total while Jon Jones has had 15 title defences ALONE. U can bring up his outside the ring antics but when he was in that cage in his prime even over the course of his career nobody really beat him.
Jones is just one of many examples tbh like Yh Khabib is an icon but there were fighters with considerabley more dominant reigns in their divisions. Look how Anderson silva OWNED middleweight and look at Usman making 170 his bitch. Both these guys have had more dominant reigns than Khabib ever did in their respective divisions.
@@joelgodwin9916 Khabib had zero close fights bruh, look at Usman's recent one with Colby. There were only moments with Khabib were you'd see a chink in the armour, "MJ tagged him" "Dustin had a hail Mary choke". I cant even think of any other time where he was in danger. Jones, GSP and Usman had close moments in their primes. Not Khabib though
@@hajratahir3119 usman coby 2 wasn’t close coby did no damage to him. Secondly a close moment or a fight doesn’t mean you are less dominant in the division it can literally be credit to who ur up against. Jones had like none at his prime guy beat DC too not a sniff cuz he took damage don’t mean he still didn’t dominate those bouts. Same for Usman. I get your point with gsp cuz he Acc lost but the others are unbeaten.
Prime GOAT is Khabib. Easy. So dominant. His whole career was his Prime.
Was thinking this, esp when he dominated prime RDA, Barboza and MJ. Those were my fav fights of his
Man, Mike is spot on with that GSP impression. Lmao what a legend👏😁
Would love podcasts with more UFC fighters
Beside having great skill, Khabib brings MMA fighter to the next level. He carries himself well as world event speaker, being friend with world class athletes and royal families and get respect from several countries' leaders. Now he's retired and expanding his promotion to US and start coaching, I think he already set another level as an MMA fighter. So, for me the definiton of MMA goat should be Khabib.
Love Bisping man, only been to UFC once and it was his fight vs anderson and wow never forget that, what a fight and performance. Although for me Anderson is my Prime GOAT, did what other's couldn't so impressive
Jon Jones is his prime was the best. His come up was insane, people forgot how creative he was back then, obviously he became more reserved as the stakes got bigger - but early Jones was the goat imo
Yeah it's got to be Jones or Anderson, thet really beat people in ways that changed the sport
@@michaelsmyth5877 strictly talking performances in the cage I agree but personally I can't consider PED users in the GOAT convo so I always go GSP
@@MitchJohnson0110 GSP was for sure using PEDs
@@MitchJohnson0110 you think GSP was clean dude 😂
@@michaelsmyth5877 Never tested positive for steroids ever, he was the only one pushing the agenda for drug testing. Jones and Anderson both tested positive we can't deny the facts.
To me it seemed like George was just A LOT bigger by the time he fought Bisping, how big he looked, I doubt he could have made 170. He was more lean when he fought at 170 years earlier
Great video. Fans don’t want to hear it, but Khabib is the prime GOAT unless you qualify PED Jones. Khabib beat two top 10 PFP fighters in Dustin and Conor, and also destroyed Justin who people thought was the perfect match to beat him. Nobody has ever looked as untouchable as Khabib, who set the record for 10-8 rounds in his short career and arguably never lost a round.
Khabib never really faced another dominant offensive wrestler... the closest he came to was tibau who he couldn't take down, and was actually taken down instead...
The prime goat is Jose Aldo . I’ve never seen a better fighter in my life
There is a reason Khabib never moved up in weight and only has fought 3 top contenders. Jones faced 11 if I am not mistaken. GSP win belts in multiple divisions. Aldo undefeated for 10 years and winning in multiple divisions.
No, he has three title defences against all talented strikers.
There are no elite grapplers.
He is 13-0 in the UFC, there are people with far better records who have faced tougher competition. Silva, Jose, GSP, kamaru, DJ, even DC does.
He never went up a weight class either. The main problem for me is his longevity and lack of diversty within fighters.
Can’t say “unless you qualify PED Jones” when they put PED Silva as a prime GOAT, they clearly didn’t add Jon Jones because his outside stuff, half the list was on PED in there primes Overeem, Silva, questions around GSP. Anyways everyone in that Jones, Silva and GSP era were using PED
I think GSP beats silva in 2009.
Absolutely criminal might mouse is left out of all these conversations now.
I still think that GSP's journey was the most honourable one ✨❤️
So good to see the collaboration of mainstream fighting media and RUclips fighting media. The GOAT Bisping and the GOAT Geordie, would love to see this around the table 👌🏼.
Khabib, hands down. He was literally playing with his prey and choosing how to finish them.
look at jones resume v khabibs. theyre not even in the same ball park
@@stephenpigot7057 Understand what this video is about. It's about which fighter's prime looked better than anybody else. And that's definitely Khabib, not steroids eye poking Jones.
@@someguy4046 RDA is 4th degree black belt with multiple Jiu-Jitsu championships, Dustin 1st degree black belt. Justin is an NCAA division 1 All American and we saw how a D1 wrestler like Chandler failed to take him down while Khabib took Justin down with ease.
You must not have seen Anderson Silva fights he used to play with his opponents on another level..
@@kamrankhandevil I've witnessed prime Silva. He had fights where he won and still looked very human like his first fight with Chael. Chael was beating Silva for 4.5 rounds straight until Silva made a comeback at the last minutes of R5 and won the fight. Maia was another awful performance for Silva. Khabib prime was unmatchable and he never looked human.
Silva is a big middleweight walks around 220, GSP is an average sized Welterweight walks around at 185ish….not saying he couldn’t have won but GSP is at a big size disadvantage, tho Chael Sonnen did say GSP is one of the strongest guys he’s ever trained with and we saw how badly Chael dominated him in the first fight with Silva
Khabib Nurmagomedov is THE GOAT of MMA
Khabib, the most dominant ever
Fought 5 world class fighters, cant be top 5 due to that
@@inquisitorsneed2 fought at least 3 better fighters that GSP ever fought.
@@michallindner9427 debatable, he was fighting guys on roids too which puts him above khabib personally, thats one of the good things about mma tho, everyone will have a different opinion
@@inquisitorsneed2 yeah i am not here to debate
@@michallindner9427 what? GSP beat Hughes twice, Bisping, Condit, Hardy, Penn x2, Serra, I mean Hendricks if we’re counting it, that’s 8 top top guys, Khabib beat Poirer, Mcgregor and Gaethje, 8 vs 3, tell me how GSP fought 3 less top opponents
Geordie why u hate gsp man? look at all the great fighters he beat
Bisping:middleweight champion
condit : wec and ufc interim champion
Diaz : Strikeforce and WEC champion 11 fight win streak prior to condit loss
Bj penn : lightweight and welterweight ufc champion I can go on and on
with the likes of hendricks , hughes , serra and so many great fighters
Michael bisping is a great fighter but not great champion material.
@@billcipher3946 I mean he came into the ufc young he had to grow while fighting the best a lot like oliviera plus even tho he had one eye his striking was elite
It’s not about how many title defenses he has but his stats.
The most 10-8 rounds in combat history!
Has been taking down 2x!
The most dominant fighter (pressure/moving forward/ ring control)
Never got cut or rocked and in the toughest division! Not easy!!!
Lost officially 2rds in 60rds!!!!!!!!
And the second rd was very controversial as its Gaethje who won it, idk what these judges were looking at but cool.
Holds the most TD’s in UFC against a great wrestler (4x all American)
Khabib outclassed all his opponents and were barely a competition for him.
None of us saw how great Khabib is unfortunately he has much more to show but that was it...
I really like his career, he was a true master at work!
A lot of you still doubt him of what if he went against Charles who’s a great JJ artist lol Khabib has few wins against black belts and to the casual who said Khabib is one dimensional, Khabib has ko/tko’s , decisions, submissions on his record how TF is that one dimensional????
I’m a huge Khabib fan but these are just facts.
Khabib made guys who in a Khabib-less universe, could potentially lay claim to being the GOAT lightweight, look so far beneath him. For mine, his prime is the best. Scary to think he could still be laying waste to challengers even now if not for his decision to retire - otherwise his prime would be a long one at that.
Well said
I love khabib, but i think he made a right call retiring, its better for him and the sport, one because i dont believe the "hes scared" argument and he gets to keep his promise to his mother, u cant knock a man for that, and two because if khabib hadnt retired he would have more than cleared the division and stayed champ for a long time, it might have made the LW division a tad boring as it just would have been fighter after fighter being smashed and choked to bits with no change in champion.
Prime silva was unbelievable. fantastic to watch and a technical marvel with iconic moments
Great to get bisbing on this because he fought the two best on this list. Sadly not in their primes but still
I wouldve had it as
1. GSP
2. Khabib
3. Silva
1. Mcgregor
2. Jon jones
3. khabib
@@oggTemp hes trolling but conor is prolly the most iconic fighter if u think about it
Jon Jones?
@@oggTemp Tbh Conor had a good prime, but a lot of that had to do with his hype and star power. Skilled nonetheless.
@Lozinho CM won 4 titles, and not a single defense....
How many fights did it take for khabib to get his shot at the title???
And how many fights did it take for gsp to get a shot???
The fact that gsp got his first title shot was probably a bad thing. He was way too young and inexperienced, he also idolised matt Hughes. If khabib got a shot after 2 ufc fights I don't think he'd win that either.
10 for Khabib, 2 for GSP, 4 more to rematch Hughes. But why?
When GSP debuted in the UFC he had a lot of hype behind already, he fought anyone the UFC wanted him to and put on exciting fights and went for the finish. Got on his knees after beating Penn and begged for a title shot and when they gave it to him he finished Hughes and took the title.
When Khabib debuted in the UFC no one had ever heard of him. He and his team were very picky and choosy about who, where and when Khabib would fight. When he did fight he had boring performances and didn't garner hype. When offered a title shot he turned it down so that he could fast for Ramadan and when Conor got the title shot instead Khabib claimed it was number one bullshit and blamed everyone except Allah for him choosing not to fight for the title. When he won the title he tried to go box Mayweather. When he couldn't he retired.
If you're the UFC, which would you want fighting for your title?
The Silva who fought Forrest Griffin is the single best fighter I have ever seen
My thoughts exactly. He was the Messi of UFC, doing outrageous things others couldn't while being dominant. Vitor, griffin, Franklin and lebon ko's as nasty and clinical as it gets 😮
Bisping always has energy for days.
Guys this is awesome. We need regular podcasts of MMA/boxing. Please Brian I am on my knees
Prime Khabib is most dominant fighter I have ever seen!!!
His prime was way to short and not enough good competition
@@hooprealm what is he supposed to do about it. Nobody wanted to fight him
If we’re really talking “at their peak”, it’s Anderson. It just is.
Khabib is the goat and prime goat. His prime was when he retired. He could beat anyone at that weight. He could submit anyone in any submission he wanted.
Khabib nurmagomedov is the G.O.A.T
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It really annoys me that drug cheats still get included in this conversation. They are called performance enhancers for a reason, and to compare these people against clean athletes is an insult. Also it sends a message to future drug cheats that it’s ok… because we’ll look at the greats!
Demetrius Johnson had an incredible prime and arguably the best career in ufc history.
Underrated for sure
Flyweight wasn’t as popular unfortunately as the other divisions
I love this UFC content. Always wanted someone like geordie to do Ufc content
Love this type of content! Always enjoy Gio’s input also!
Probably a controversial one, but for me it’s Jose Aldo. The man has been in 15 title fights and won 11 of them, he was also fighting at featherweight, which is one of the two deepest divisions in the sport. He beat Cub Swanson, Mike Brown, Uriah Faber, Mark Hominick, Kenny Florian, Chad Mendez (twice), Frankie Edgar (twice) and Korean Zombie. His only losses are to the best of the best, he’s also probably the best defensive wrestler of all time and had both a great top game and bottom game. He was also, similar to Anderson, well ahead of everyone in standup in his prime and he’s still top 5 at bantamweight all these years later.
I look at KHABIB as absolutely the goat of MMA
Yea missing weight 5 times and staying in that weight class so he could have 25 pounds on everyone he fought. Goat.
@@6ri66s2 not saying he almost lost to tibau a mediocre fighter thats never even in the top 5 and more than half his fights were not even in the ufc
Dana white admitted very recently GSP wanted the Silva fight badly but Dana white said He only had 2 stars back then when it came to making huge money for the UFC and he never wanted them to fight each other because he was afraid of loosing one of the stars money wise.
The goat at their complete prime is Jose Aldo. The greatest fighter I have ever seen
he got knocked out by mcgregor in 13 seconds 😂😂
@@tsgrapiidz6970 He also defended the ufc belt 7 times and had a 10 year run also being succesful in WEC, legacy wise he has conor beat and is arguably a top 5 mma fighter
@@tsgrapiidz6970 Prime of a fighter. Conor's been finished in 3/4 fights in 6 years, doesn't stop his FW run or LW title win from being excellent. Aldo had and still is adding to one of the best MMA careers ever. Silva had a terrible end to his MMA career doesn't stop his prime being insane.
@@tsgrapiidz6970 lucky really, if it wasn’t for the fluke flash KO then Conor would have got schooled and wouldn’t be where he is today
@@seanc7990 Aldo did all that for 10 years just for it to all get ended by an Irishman 😂. More ppl know Aldo for getting destroyed by Conor than his 10 year undefeated streak
"If you like seeing ppl get knocked out, you watch Alistair overeem" lol, didn't know what he meant exactly for a sec
When it comes to the GOAT conversation it’s an entertaining conversation to have but I don’t want to decide objectively who is the goat, because each fighter fought their own fights in and out of the ring.
Exactly , completely agree
Its really getting annoying the fact they even put khabib in the goat conversation, He mainly fought strikers and nobodies. He was killing himself to get down to 155 instead of actually taking on challenges at 170 which in my opinion had way better wrestlers and competition
The only answer is GSP.
My favourite icon just on the game is Anderson silva
TG does really hate GSP. He says that GSP avoided Anderson like the plague and he puts it against him, yet there was just as much talk for Anderson going up to fight Jones which never happened Jokes going up to heavyweight which still hasn’t happened 10 years later. Usman has been against going up to 185 for a while, and Khabib never went up to 170. Also before Conor, nobody was going up in weight to become double champs. Dana was very much against it. It was the same case about Aldo wanting to go up to fight Pettis.
I like TG and I appreciate him getting into fighting more, but if you’re gonna come at the king, come correct
I thought they said gsp would never agree to the fight because of silvas failed drug test? If not then idk maybe it didn’t work out.
Yeah I always found it weird how GSP got flak for not moving up to 185lbs sooner but Silva got none for not fighting Jones, Silva and Jones were way closer in size anyway. And Jones would not be outsized at Heavyweight, especially back then if he'd moved up he'd have had the height and reach advantage over almost all Heavyweights. He might be giving up a few pounds but he'd be at least 230-240 which is not a small Heavyweight, especially if you're 6''4 with the longest reach in UFC history...But still there was almost no pressure on him to move up.
As well as that GSP also offered a catchweight because Silva did fight at WW just a year before he came to the UFC. Silva made 170lbs in 2006 but couldn't make 179lbs in 2008 for a GSP fight...I don't believe that.
Bryan was off on his take on goerge. Goerge fought absolute killers. Took a 4 year break comes back and moves up a weight class. Gets collitis well moving up and still wins after all of that. Criticized for not finishong enough and finishes bisping in that return fight.
As a diehard fan of the GSP Anderson Silva era I would say this. Every guy Georges fought remained relevant afterwards apart from hardy. Also everyone Georges fought was a consensus among fans true #1 contenders. Apart from Hardy again. The chumps Anderson fought all fell off the map. Thales leites, Travis Luther, Okami
Prime, the spider 🕷, no one could touch him and just had INSANE knock outs, greatest of all time is GSP, only 2 losses (both won re matches), long career, no PED fails, went out on a W
Prime Aldo, prime DJ, prime GSP, prime Anderson, prime jbj. Any order any way those guys are the goats!
Prime Fedor followed by Jones, GSP, Silva and Cormier. Khabib didn't reign nearly long enough, most of his wins were outside of the UFC.
While they're all amazing fighters, no one and I mean no one was as amazing to watch as Silva. The man was absolutely untouchable at the time. The closest thing to a real life ninja in the octagon. Like every fight he had in his prime ended with a bang. While other guys looked dominant as well but Silva would take your soul!
Definitely do more of these
You can make an argument for everyone depending on how you define it. The way I look at it - and this is just my opinion - which fighter, if put against every other Champion in that weight class's history, would win the most fights? For example:
- Khabib vs. every LW Champion I think loses 3 or 4 fights
- Usman vs. every WW Champion I think loses 9 or 10 fights
- GSP vs every WW Champion I think loses 9 or 10 fights
So, and this is just for me, I would put Khabib above GSP. Most 10-8 rounds in UFC history, never been taken down, never bled, only ever lost 2 rounds in his career (and both are very arguable). It's no surprise the LW division became the most competitive division the second he left, but was "lacking competition" while Khabib fought. Sort of the GSP effect when he left. Who knows mate. I'm just so happy that I started watching when UFC PPVs were in single digits. Love that we can reflect to the start of the sport's history.
Khabib, GSP, Cejudo, Silva, Usman, Johnson, Jon Jones, DC, Nunes, Conor (FW), etc.
GSP today would definitely lose to Usman and Izzy if he moved up like he did before
Look at khabibs record , he fights peaple with more losses then wins and if you look at his win streak in the UFC Tony Fergusons is far superior. And if you think that khabib would have not lost if he carried on then I disagree , Connors game plan and Trevor wittmans set up a blueprint to beat khabib and I think if you set Gsp in his prime and Khabib in his prime , I think gsp wins
@@alixreynolds2044 Which record? Before the UFC? Bro, everyone fights nobodies when they're a nobody. This is truly one of the stupidest arguments I hear of when people talk about Khabib. Fedor fought a guy at 0-1 when he was 27-1, does that mean hes not the GOAT?
@@hajratahir3119 I hear what he's saying though. Khabib had potential but we will never truly know now because he left too early.
@@SpyroTek his career was perfect but was just missing longevity imo
Bisping was at a scouse/bounce house event in Burnley last weekend and tore the house down, he’s still got it as a DJ. Dropping classic after classic.
mike is such a legend
The gsp vs Silva fight was meant to happen but after ufc 112 because of the performance against Damian Mia Dana white said it would never happen
Huge respect for Mike. Awesome guy.
GSP is the best in my opinion. I feel people forget about how dominant Matt Hughes was though.
Khabib!!!
More of these style of MMA videos please
I know they are still fighting but I would love to know where prime McGregor fits into (Aldo KO, performance against Eddie Alvarez) this, and where Kamaru Usman would fit into this as well...
Usman on this would be the goat