@hossam semsem It's hilariously powerful with 10 melee armor and 100 hp and 17 attack before blacksmith upgrades. Meanwhile a generic champion has 70 hp 1 armor and 13 attack (Also without blacksmith upgrades) So teuton smacks a champion for 16 damage while getting hit for 3 in return. Heck a teutonic knight can 1 on 1 a Paladin easily. Of course this comes with a massive drawback of them being hilariously slow.
+Collossatron You have to be a particularly inefficient kind of noob to be unable to micro 300+ vills by manually attacking everything in sight. git gud scrub
I don't even play this game anymore, but I still find myself watching his videos. They are oddly peaceful. Wouldn't mind seeing him do other games in a similar manner.
To be fair, we're talking about best infantry civs, not the best infantry. Most players who got teutons just use paladins/hand cannons/SOs/heavy scropions/bombard cannons/bombard towers for very amazing late game push/defense. ETK got very limited use to make teutons an "infantry civ", despite the unit is really cool and defeats every infantry one on one. They're so slow even spanish archers can kite them to death.
Except he kinda did by putting Japanese in second place. :D I am about 2k HD, not an expert, but quite a bit better than SOTL, and would say both slavs and malay are clearly stronger in most real game scenarios. Well, the rankings can be argued and the video is still entertaining, but it's very weird that he didn't even put in malay as a honorable mention as he made a whole video about their Karambits and Two Handed Swordmen.
he did let bias soak into this video. the best infantry units are the ones that cut on their weakness, not the ones with the highest dps. pierce armor and walk speed is way more important than some dps increase for infantry. that dps amounts to nothing if all your dudes get an arrow in their knees
Malay should be among the honerable mentions atleast imo. They have the unique tech that makes their militia cost no gold and the Karambit Warrior surely is an interesting infantry unit.
Cheap is a large part of why he puts the Goths at No.1- he mentions they don't win with equal numbers, but through spam. Malay are the same, and can spam Champions cheaply. Best as a civ doesn't equal best one-on-one, or the Teutons would be the best. I second Malay as at least an honourable mention.
The Malay don't get the great bonuses the goths get, so they are cheaper and better. Huskarls (which is by the way a Norman term I think, not gothic but ok)
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe they don’t get one because they are still just 2 handed swords and they also get discounted battle elephants to use alongside their infantry. Other than the unique tech and unique unit, they don’t actually get any bonuses to infantry. Even though this is equally true of the Slavs, the Slavs’ unique tech makes their infantry extremely strong, much stronger than the Malay infantry.
Still, when it comes to late-game spam, after forced levy, Malay don't need gold and have one of the best trash units. Gold is much more valuable than food in the late Imperial, so at this stage you could argue that Malay have cheaper infantry than Goths, and can spam the type of Infantry most able to counter Goth units. The big question is whether cheap Goth champions are enough to counter even cheaper Malay two-handed swordsmen. Both are late-game advantages, but the Goths can probably get the ball rolling a bit sooner. Huskarls (housecarls) were a Danish bodyguard unit, introduced into England by Cnut the Great. They were well equipped with mail, swords, shields, spears and the famous Dane axe is associated with them. After England reverted to Anglo-Saxon control, they kept the Huskarls as a formation of professional soldiers as the core of the English army, and they were the main component of the English army in the Battle of Hastings. The Normans defeated them after a lengthy, evenly-matched battle, and disbanded the formation after conquering England. So nothing to do with the Goths, who were more known for cavalry historically.
Haha, that gave me a good chuckle :D Yeah, assuming Goths don't produce anything other than infantry, Teutonic Knights are indeed an excellent buffer. Even Goth Champions only deal like 4 damage against them and take back 17-18. Just be sure to not let them get past your TK'd chokepoint or outmanoeuvre your TKs with Huskarls or something, or allow them to bring Hand Cannons/Skirms/Onagers :p
Theres a problem, teutonic knights can only be produced in castles, while every goth infantry including huskarl can be recruited from barracks, and are 100% faster to produce and 35% cheaper. So yeah, even if were cost effective for the teutons (unlikely), the goths can just produce 10 units per every teuton brought into the battle, and easily overflow them
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 TK produce surprisingly quickly and would trade very efficiently with infantry. Backed by hand cannons Teutons would have the advantage
@@michaelcross7665 The problem here is that Goth trash units are ridiculously cheap and produce at an alarming rate. They literally can lose 100 pop and fill it right back in instant provide that they have a stable income. Their only weakness is their wall is weak... meaning that it is easier to raid Goth eco and that is the only way you can win vs Goth in late game.
I just love how this classic game is still appreciated. Future strategy games that would seek to be classics themselves must know this: gameplay always beats graphics
Aoe2 always looked very good, i don't get what you mean by gameplay beats graphics.. it's outdated, but stylistically it looks great today. if game looks like some mobile cartoony oversaturated trash for 5yo then no gameplay will make me want to play it, so you are wrong.
You have the best AOE channel. Especially for those who want to know the inner mechanics of the game, and develop their own strategies through this knowledge.
Do cavelry next , but I know who is winning that, 100% chance of Aztec victiory. Acording to one of your vidoes you said "that it was so bad that its is good because it is so unexpected." I agree with this statement because when ever I'm Aztec's and use their non available so bad that its is good cavalry and they usualy give up fast
I used to look at infantry as nothing but a counter, but recently I’m loving Champions. They’re pretty decent against most things, so you can kind of hedge your bets against a few units at once as long as they’re not making your counters. Also they can work as your siege squad in a pinch if there’s not too many castles around.
I always liked playing the Teutons. Elite Teutonic Knights paired up with Hand Cannoneers and a small squad of Cavaliers was a tough counter. Expensive, but effective.
I think we need an updated version of this video: > There are burmese now with good bonus. > Teutons got more armor now. > Throwing Axemen are more viable now. > ... Actually I think most of the top 5 videos could have an update by now.
Whenever i am at work and i see one of these videos pop up before break i am so happy, i have something special to watch! Just 1 more hr and ill check this one out!
I rank Aztecs above Japanese. The only helping bonus for Japanese infantry is 33% faster attack. Whilst, Aztecs infantry is more versatile, has +4 attack UT, faster production rate and better economy bonus than Japanese. Here my ranking though: 1#. Goths 2#. Aztecs 3#. Japanese 4. Incas 5#. Slavs 6#. Vikings 7#. Celts 8#. Malians
Thanks so much for all your Age Of Empires II videos. very entertaining, its really gotten me back into playing, and the videos are really helpful at improving my game play. maybe I'll be brave enough to challenge you some day.
Yep, i love goth's huskarls. I often load them inside rams, so when that ram was broken when sieging castles or tcs, the huskarls can finish the job. They can be released too when some units try to attack the rams.
Then the Huskarl gets the smoke from the Teutonic Knight. Also people forget the Elite Berserker has 18 atk, 5/5 armor, and +5 and +4 against Calvary and Camels respectively.
Hey Spirit! I remember a viewer asked what the grades would be for the Britons and Huns if you ever decided to remake a civilisation overview for them, so I had a table of 'predicted grades' for it if you'd ever be interested and hadn't seen my earlier comment :D Sorry if it feels like flooding the comments section btw (promise it's not a Huskarl flood) *Britons* *Archers: A/A+* (Depending on whether the top grade is reserved for Mayans) *Infantry: B* (Champions and Halbs, full Blacksmith, Squires and Tracking) *Cavalry: C/C-* (No Bloodlines but full Smith, only Light Cav and Cavalier) *Siege: B-/B* (Onager and Siege Engs present, Capped Ram, Trebuchets with splash damage) *Monks: C+/B-* (No Redemption, Atonement and Heresy; no significant gold bonus) *Defences: B+/A-* (All building techs (that includes Hoardings) except Bombard Tower; extra tower attack with Yeomen; Longbowmen able to snipe units; no dedicated counter units to siege and infantry, but Longbows and Trebs can work defensively too) *Navy (Early): B-* (No significant wood or gold bonus, but faster working Shepherds can free a villager sooner to get wood) *Navy (Late): B+* (Town Centre discount saves wood; all upgrades except Elite Cannon Galleon; Shipwright present) *Economy: B+* Early game B+ due to shepherd bonus; mid-game A- for Town Centre discount; Late game B due to missing Crop Rotation and no unit discounts or economy bonuses. Also. Goths ftw. Best late-game infantry civ ever, but they also have a decent MAA flush imo :)
Spirit of the Law I found a way to convert HD (steam) to the original conquerors(TC) and it work for VOOBLY as well. The reason being you can have a ton of spectators , mods , and a longer friends list. 1st) google HD to TC aoe2 2nd) Click the Reddit post you find and scroll to donwload 3rd) follow the steps with the reddit post or mine. 4th) Disable your firewall. Mine didn't allow it trough with out disabling. 5th) Open the Donload 6th) Check to see if you own Hd. Click convert. Then Auto configure Voobly 7th) I am not sure but you might need to reinstall steam 8th) Find the New Conqurer Icon and rename it so you can distinguish it between steam and original 9th) Right click the original Icon and click properties 10th) Find compatiblity 11th) Make sure it is running as administrator and it is using Xp Service pack 3. It won't Run Yer 12th) Download Voobly 13th) If you want to play single player the way I do it is I create a game with a password and let no one join 14th) Multiplayer is pretty self explanitory 15th) Your done , though you should no install my favorite mod, Portuguese Civ Mod III, the next steps will be how to download mods 16th) Google the mod preferably Portuguese civ mod III 17th) Download it and open the program. 18th) Make sure the directory is C:\*Program Files*\Microsoft Games\age of empires ii 19th) Confirm it *isn't* C:\*Program Files(x86)*\Microsoft Games\age of empires ii 20th) Don't download The Texture Pack 21th) Make a video on it (; 22nd) Leave a like on the comment so Spirit of The Law can see
Good video, I still have to slightly disagree with your ranking^^ IMO the role of infantry is not to be a standalone type (unless your goth), so just having infantry beat the hell out of each other wount really represent a good infantry civ... whats the implication of this? Malians should be far higher as their infantrie is amazing vs archers (as a defensive unit, you still get kited) and Japanese i can not see there at all as their offensive capability shines rarely, whith their bonus being also harldy utilized as so many UUs we see are not at danger of getting attacked by samurai. Also i think Vikings should be in the list. The test you did there is really the worst ever situation for Berserks and the far best possible for slaves. Slaves have aoe, so you bunch up units, berserks are fast so you only fight infantry and dont utilize the speed, berseks heal, again not taken into account or utlized, and berseks have damage vs cav, so mix some paladins in there and see what happens, also equal res. after slave has an insanely expensive tech (not using berserkergang wouldnt make a difference) and ignoring population, even with all these factors bersekrs are nearly equivalent... that is actually pretty amazing, considering slaves have nothing before that tech while vikings do. That was a lot of complaining for something i actually enjoyed ^^ sorry just take it as me being engaged :D
Vikings have good champions, but that's about it. Their pikemen are worse than generic halberdiers and the berserk is one of the less useful infantry unique units. They were awesome in AoK though, when only Japanese and Viking pikemen could cost efficiently counter Frank paladins.
@Jarl William It depends on what criteria you are using to quantify a top infantry civilization. Are we talking which civ purely has the best infantry or which civ with good infantry is the best overall? Goths and Japanese have better infantry than Aztecs, Celts, and Vikings but the latter 3 are better civilizations in competitive play.
It depends on what is used against the TC. It works against melee units or rams, but if it's attacked from range, it has zero function. And honestly, I would definitely use ranged stuff against Teutons, as they're much weaker against that, they're only OP in a melee fight.
Youmu Konpaku Are you sure you don't mean Magyars instead of Slavs? I mean, sure, their unique unit is cavalry, but they're generally centered around their infantry.
@Youmu Konpaku The war wagon, depending on which version you are currently playing, falls under the "cavalry archer" and "unique unit" categories; meaning its armour classes are archer, cavalry, cavalry archer, and unique unit.
Why are you giving slavs 5th place, when you said at the beginning, that you are going to focus on late game. 1. Goths 2. Slavs 3. Japanese 4. Aztecs That's my opinion, otherwise good video and keep it up man :).
Yeah, he said he will ALSO focus on late game in addition to everything else. He didnt mean how infantry is only in the late game, just more as an important consideration.
Hi, Spirit I was wondering, why didn't you ever made any of your video analisis of Age of Empires III? I know it's a totally different gameplay and often a bit of anoying, but it's still a great game after all... Also, great channel, I love your video analisis, you add one more sub! ;)
I think you should look into "hold position" a bit more. Incas Kamayuk might come up quite a bit higher, when you do the tests. Put Kamayuks and Slingers in a "hold position" "box formation" and add a few monks. Test them against anything but siege to see their real strength. Phalanx > Barbaric chaos.
It's always a good day when Sprit releases a new video. Sometimes I just have to load up your intro song just to fill that itch. At 3:09 there's an error where you labelled the Jaguar Warriors as Generic Champions
Actually no. The best answer is PALADINS. If Goths mass halberds, they are screwed. With Cavalry, you can choose NOT to engage with halberdiers, and let ranged units do their work.
If you're gonna use Pallies as a distraction force like that, you'd be better off NOT making Pallies at all. They cost a ton of gold, and that would basically throw away your supposed power advantage on the field. Better off using Light Cav for that purpose, and spend that extra gold on archers or siege instead. Even at that, you can guarantee that a Goth player will have at least a handful of Huskarls in their retinue ;) So... yeah, even those can be countered, but Hand Cannons and Onagers are probably the way to go, alongside perhaps a strong melee unit as a buffer.
Sorry but I can't take it seriously when you say "Slavs are 5th but not higher, sure they can beat even the other civs on this list, but only after their lategame technology" but then give as a reason the Vikings aren't there that they lose to Slavs. Like pick one or the other, Celts and Japanese also lose to Slavs once they have their technology in large fights. Of course Japanese also have better matchups against Cavalry with their Halberdiers and head to head vs unique units, but you are using a wrong way of reasoning nonetheless.
@@frankseward7017 Berserks are the most made melee unique unit in pro play atm because they do great vs infantry, trade cost effectively with paladins, the best anti trash unit in the game. this combined with 17% faster movementspeed than champions. Also haveing +14hp and +5 damage vs cav seems like a pretty good champion. And agreed slavs have faster farmers but viking eco is top 3 in the game and even better than the slav eco. (Not in late obv).
Teutons are my favorite Civ, so when I saw the TK in the thumbnail and yet, they were not mentioned in spots 5-2, my hopes were high as I thought they’d place #1. Then my heart broke as the honorable mentions rolled out... Thankfully Goths are my second favorite lol.
I feel like that Malay and Burmese should've gotten an honorable mention atleast. Malay because of their goldless two-handed swordsmen + Kerambits making them the quintessential quantity over quality civ in terms of infantry. Burmese +3 atk bonus works as soon you hit the feudal age hit(albeit +1). And unlike the Aztecs, the Burmese have acces to Halbadiers giving Burmese Halbadiers a total of 13 attack (6+4+3). Still Goths rules over all of them!
Well, i also like the Ethiopians unique unit, the shotel warriors, since they produce really quickly and can easily surprise attack someone's base, since 16 dmg and high speed
The Teutons would be more than just an honorable mention if this video was made in DE. That armor bonus makes halbs do better at what they are already good at, and makes them beat Japanese halbs. They only lose to Burmese and maybe Slavs (correct me if i'm wrong).
Havent played in a long time, but I have to agree with the goths. Be warned, you dont have stone walls, so your best defence is going offensive. All you have to do is Spam barracks (even at your enemy base) and in terms of upgrades, just focus on infantry ones OFC. If you let your enemy gather a large army, you lose. Split your attacks and pump up your production. In a cost/production war you will prevail :)
That, or go for a Flush, possibly followed by building up some Skirms too to support them. I find that it's often a lot more effective than going into Imperial as fast as possible and getting all technologies before you can even build one unit :')
He said he put emphasis on the late game, where Burmese would rarely use champions anyway in favour of elephants and Arambai, so the only unit you'll be left using are halbs. The civs he included have robust infantry and the tech trees and bonuses put infantry as the go-to unit, and infantry play a big role in their meta games.
their biggest assets aren't infantry, but their stable units + arambai. this is a weird fact just like the malians (not-really good infantry, but surprisingly nice cavalry tech)
On hypothetical note, Which of the given alliance would you give upper hand to on basis of potential to assert domination in infantry friendly maps? 1. Teutons and Japs 2. Goths and Aztecs 3. Celts and Incas 4. Slavs and Malians P. S. Your videos are great! Each one is like reliving the countless hours spent on this easily most favorite of games since childhood times.. ! :)
While having a Top 5 for overall Infantry Civs is nice to have, what would be more useful to have would be a unit wise list of Top 5s Example: Top 5 scouts of the game Top 5 Halbs of the game Top 5 Trebs of the game and so forth Top 5 Infantry Civs helps you plan macro strategies while a Top 5 Unit wise list would help in executing micro strategies Maybe SOTL should be give it a try- would be mighty useful Maybe something like a separate Top 5 video for Barrack units, Stable units, Archery range units and Siege Workshop units Each of these have roughly 6-7 units. So Top5 Stable Units can have a Top5 list each for Scouts, Light Cav, Hussar, Knights, Cavaliers, Paladins, Camels and Battle Elephants!
I definitely think vikings would be at least better than slavs. They also get the wheelbarrow and handcart which gives a food boost, food is the heaviest infantry resource
The issue with Vikings is that only their Champions are stronger, and the Berserk is not as worth it as other infantry unique units like the Woad Raider or Huskarl. The swordsman line is used far less often than other military lines such as the Spear line, which Vikings have worse than civilizations with Halberdiers. That being said, the Vikings are a better civ overall than the other infantry civs on this list except Aztecs.
well slavs are definetly better... they have 10 percent more food all the time. and they can purchase wheelbarrow and handcart also.. so overall in the late game or mid game they will have more food because vikings doesnt have that 10 percent bonus, and every other nation can get wheelbarrow and handcart.. same as splash dmg of slavs will wipe vikings easily
Well yeah that is kind of my point. Why include it then? If you decide you want your Top x list 5 positions long why even mention the once that didn't make it? And why so many that it could just be a Top 10. It just feels unnecessary and like a half arsed effort as in "Yeah well these are also good but I don't really want to go in Detail".
You can skip to 5,4,3,2,1 from the time-links in the video description if you just want the list.... He's just saying why they didn't make his top 5 even though they may be many people's favourite infantry civs.
Well I would like to say that Beserks are very very strong against trash, they beat champions of every civ. They have decent movement speed. So they can run down archers. They only need 1.5 times the unites to beat fully upgraded paladins. So if you have 60 beserks and your opponent has 40 Paladins, you ll win that fight with more than 30 beserks left. They preform almost as good as their pikes.
Infantry civs are my favorites to play, and there we are with this amazing video!!! I know it's dificult to put on top 5, but i really love Incas infantry with +1+2 armor and those Kamayuk that smash almost any cavalry or infantry unit when used on a large number. But for sure it's impossible to make a top 5 infantry list without those damn Goths, Japs and Aztecs. They're for sure the best infantry civs. Slavs makes sense to me, but Celts was really a big surprise. I probably would choose Vickings because the best HP or Incas because of the Kamayuk. Yeah, i know, i love Celts too, they're +15% speed is really good on early game, but when we are on Imperial Age i think Berserkers are even better and have the same speed, as much as Incas with the Eagle Warriors + Kamayuk vombo with lot of speed and a tank unit. Thanks for the video Spirit and keep the wonderful work you do for this comunity!!!
with the ~newly released civilisations, maybe there are some changes? id like to see your revaluated opinion in every mayor class (infantry, archery, mounted, siege)
hmmm which one do I watch first? A video to get me ready for Infinity War coming up that I'm stoked about, or this video about a game I haven't played in 2 years.... clearly this one. ;)
What other videos need to be made: 1. Best anti siege units (siege units do the most damage and the best way to counter them is most needed. And without siege it is impossible to win a conquest) 2. Best horse mounted unit (I found the Elite Tarkan quite underwhelming, need one to compare all) 3. Best Siege based Civ 4. Best lumberjacks, hunters and best miners, I know there's one on best farmers 5. Best defensive Civ given all constraints
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Teutonic Knight, how powerful is the Teutonic knights?
@hossam semsem
It's hilariously powerful with 10 melee armor and 100 hp and 17 attack before blacksmith upgrades.
Meanwhile a generic champion has 70 hp 1 armor and 13 attack (Also without blacksmith upgrades)
So teuton smacks a champion for 16 damage while getting hit for 3 in return.
Heck a teutonic knight can 1 on 1 a Paladin easily.
Of course this comes with a massive drawback of them being hilariously slow.
you didn't include best infantry in the game.
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but it has the biggest downside
no auto attack
+Collossatron You have to be a particularly inefficient kind of noob to be unable to micro 300+ vills by manually attacking everything in sight. git gud scrub
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I nearly choked on my mueslis, you!
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I don't even play this game anymore, but I still find myself watching his videos. They are oddly peaceful. Wouldn't mind seeing him do other games in a similar manner.
I was like _PLEASE AT LEAST MENTION THE TEUTONIC KNIGHT_ Aaah there he is
Same. I was so ready to write "No Teutons? Shame", then got relieved.
Teutonic knight is best knight.
Teutonic Knights are Jedi Knights.
Teutonic Knights are awesome af, especially if you use siege towers as super mobile APC's
To be fair, we're talking about best infantry civs, not the best infantry. Most players who got teutons just use paladins/hand cannons/SOs/heavy scropions/bombard cannons/bombard towers for very amazing late game push/defense. ETK got very limited use to make teutons an "infantry civ", despite the unit is really cool and defeats every infantry one on one. They're so slow even spanish archers can kite them to death.
Surprised to not see Japanese in first place. Props to you for not letting your favorite civ affect the rankings, awesome video.
Except he kinda did by putting Japanese in second place. :D I am about 2k HD, not an expert, but quite a bit better than SOTL, and would say both slavs and malay are clearly stronger in most real game scenarios. Well, the rankings can be argued and the video is still entertaining, but it's very weird that he didn't even put in malay as a honorable mention as he made a whole video about their Karambits and Two Handed Swordmen.
he did let bias soak into this video. the best infantry units are the ones that cut on their weakness, not the ones with the highest dps. pierce armor and walk speed is way more important than some dps increase for infantry. that dps amounts to nothing if all your dudes get an arrow in their knees
Malay should be among the honerable mentions atleast imo.
They have the unique tech that makes their militia cost no gold and the Karambit Warrior surely is an interesting infantry unit.
We are talking about the best, not one of the cheapest.
Cheap is a large part of why he puts the Goths at No.1- he mentions they don't win with equal numbers, but through spam. Malay are the same, and can spam Champions cheaply. Best as a civ doesn't equal best one-on-one, or the Teutons would be the best.
I second Malay as at least an honourable mention.
The Malay don't get the great bonuses the goths get, so they are cheaper and better. Huskarls (which is by the way a Norman term I think, not gothic but ok)
I was thinking the same thing, but maybe they don’t get one because they are still just 2 handed swords and they also get discounted battle elephants to use alongside their infantry. Other than the unique tech and unique unit, they don’t actually get any bonuses to infantry. Even though this is equally true of the Slavs, the Slavs’ unique tech makes their infantry extremely strong, much stronger than the Malay infantry.
Still, when it comes to late-game spam, after forced levy, Malay don't need gold and have one of the best trash units. Gold is much more valuable than food in the late Imperial, so at this stage you could argue that Malay have cheaper infantry than Goths, and can spam the type of Infantry most able to counter Goth units. The big question is whether cheap Goth champions are enough to counter even cheaper Malay two-handed swordsmen. Both are late-game advantages, but the Goths can probably get the ball rolling a bit sooner.
Huskarls (housecarls) were a Danish bodyguard unit, introduced into England by Cnut the Great. They were well equipped with mail, swords, shields, spears and the famous Dane axe is associated with them. After England reverted to Anglo-Saxon control, they kept the Huskarls as a formation of professional soldiers as the core of the English army, and they were the main component of the English army in the Battle of Hastings. The Normans defeated them after a lengthy, evenly-matched battle, and disbanded the formation after conquering England. So nothing to do with the Goths, who were more known for cavalry historically.
Actually, I know of another way to stop a gothic flood.... send in 1 teutonic knight
Haha, that gave me a good chuckle :D
Yeah, assuming Goths don't produce anything other than infantry, Teutonic Knights are indeed an excellent buffer. Even Goth Champions only deal like 4 damage against them and take back 17-18. Just be sure to not let them get past your TK'd chokepoint or outmanoeuvre your TKs with Huskarls or something, or allow them to bring Hand Cannons/Skirms/Onagers :p
Tk backed up by hand cannons no less
Theres a problem, teutonic knights can only be produced in castles, while every goth infantry including huskarl can be recruited from barracks, and are 100% faster to produce and 35% cheaper.
So yeah, even if were cost effective for the teutons (unlikely), the goths can just produce 10 units per every teuton brought into the battle, and easily overflow them
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 TK produce surprisingly quickly and would trade very efficiently with infantry. Backed by hand cannons Teutons would have the advantage
@@michaelcross7665 The problem here is that Goth trash units are ridiculously cheap and produce at an alarming rate. They literally can lose 100 pop and fill it right back in instant provide that they have a stable income.
Their only weakness is their wall is weak... meaning that it is easier to raid Goth eco and that is the only way you can win vs Goth in late game.
Predicting goths as number 1.
There is no challenge there
*gasps*
Who could have seen that coming?
roger roger
I knew goths would win but I was afraid that he will find a way to make Japan first
I was fully expecting a bait & switch with SOTL briefly pretending some other civ is #1, only to quickly switch to the obvious Goths.
I just love how this classic game is still appreciated. Future strategy games that would seek to be classics themselves must know this: gameplay always beats graphics
Aoe2 always looked very good, i don't get what you mean by gameplay beats graphics.. it's outdated, but stylistically it looks great today.
if game looks like some mobile cartoony oversaturated trash for 5yo then no gameplay will make me want to play it, so you are wrong.
Besides the perfectly delivered information, I love the video design. The scene at 3:59 for example, freaking beautiful!
I love your particular brand of humor.
Possibly countering navy... That made me laugh!
goth main here, i love seeing an endless wave of units that when you kill one 3 more come behind it
also makes me being rushed most of the games :,c
You have the best AOE channel. Especially for those who want to know the inner mechanics of the game, and develop their own strategies through this knowledge.
Love your vids
Do cavelry next , but I know who is winning that,
100% chance of Aztec victiory. Acording to one of your vidoes you said "that it was so bad that its is good because it is so unexpected." I agree with this statement because when ever I'm Aztec's and use their non available so bad that its is good cavalry and they usualy give up fast
I agree Aztecs should get that, they can have all the cavalry bonusses of all civs. They can simply convert all the cavalry they need
Yea they can create cav without stable, Lol
This is a good idea for him to do with the intro.
I love when computer comes up with full war elephants while my civ is aztec
but they have no horse
I used to look at infantry as nothing but a counter, but recently I’m loving Champions. They’re pretty decent against most things, so you can kind of hedge your bets against a few units at once as long as they’re not making your counters. Also they can work as your siege squad in a pinch if there’s not too many castles around.
Your voice, humor, and style are so awesome. You make my day better whenever I listen.
Also,
GOTH FLOOD FOREVER!!!
I love infantry civs, thanks for the list :)
I always liked playing the Teutons. Elite Teutonic Knights paired up with Hand Cannoneers and a small squad of Cavaliers was a tough counter. Expensive, but effective.
Goths with an Italian ally = Condotierro spam.
i like being malian with italian allies. condotierro with 8 pierce armor. it's just sooooo good.
When you enter but you already know that goths are #1 so what ever
Spirit is my Top 1 AoE 2 youtuber.
antares031 he is my top 1 human being
The meme competition is getting harder but I used to deem him top 1 in that too.
When you got to the ending I started grinning ear to ear. You got me on that Civ, man, thanks!
I was a Main Goth back in the day around about 18 years ago. I played locally and had a lot of fun
Loved the song towards the end of the video
I would love to see how Bulgarians stack on this list. Their +5 melee armor to militia-line gives them discount Teutonic Knights.
Hell this is pre Teutonic +1/+2 melee armor in the barracks. Teutonic 'racks units now handily beat their generic counterparts.
I think we need an updated version of this video:
> There are burmese now with good bonus.
> Teutons got more armor now.
> Throwing Axemen are more viable now.
> ...
Actually I think most of the top 5 videos could have an update by now.
But still a good video.
"Goths are bad because they don't have walls"
Wrong, Goths dont have *stone* walls
We can make a wall made out of infantry
Whenever i am at work and i see one of these videos pop up before break i am so happy, i have something special to watch! Just 1 more hr and ill check this one out!
What about speedy rams, though?
more importantly: I WANT THIS MUSIC AT 6:20!
I need the song name as well
player.epidemicsound.com/search/?search_query=midnight%20hotel%20indie%20pop%20version
Thaaanks
this site is horrible to search songs by names, but damn, their music is good.
@@SpiritOfTheLaw Thanks.
@@enkiimuto1041 I know this comment is over a year old but the link doesn't work ffor me could you tell me the name of the song?
#1 Spanish - Supremacy villager rush OP ^^
Any chance of a Malay Overview sometime? I really wanna know what you think of their mythological fishing traps.
ThatguycalledJoe I have a feeling it's coming next
I rank Aztecs above Japanese. The only helping bonus for Japanese infantry is 33% faster attack. Whilst, Aztecs infantry is more versatile, has +4 attack UT, faster production rate and better economy bonus than Japanese. Here my ranking though:
1#. Goths
2#. Aztecs
3#. Japanese
4. Incas
5#. Slavs
6#. Vikings
7#. Celts
8#. Malians
Before we start.
Saracens best Infantry, Im expecting 1st place.
Spirit you're wrong, it's actually Persians, Berbers, Chinese, Magyars, and Britons
GG
You forgot bynantines with no blast furnace
Nah, best infantry civ is turks.
Gotta love demn late game spearmen.
GG
Thanks so much for all your Age Of Empires II videos. very entertaining, its really gotten me back into playing, and the videos are really helpful at improving my game play. maybe I'll be brave enough to challenge you some day.
Goths = Gods.
No gates to heaven though
Yann LOL clever reply, guess heaven has only a picket fence.
Who needs walls of wood and stone when you can have walls of bodies?
savage
Gods until they meet Teutonic knighs (or mongol onagers :D )
Yep, i love goth's huskarls. I often load them inside rams, so when that ram was broken when sieging castles or tcs, the huskarls can finish the job. They can be released too when some units try to attack the rams.
Then the Huskarl gets the smoke from the Teutonic Knight. Also people forget the Elite Berserker has 18 atk, 5/5 armor, and +5 and +4 against Calvary and Camels respectively.
Hey Spirit! I remember a viewer asked what the grades would be for the Britons and Huns if you ever decided to remake a civilisation overview for them, so I had a table of 'predicted grades' for it if you'd ever be interested and hadn't seen my earlier comment :D Sorry if it feels like flooding the comments section btw (promise it's not a Huskarl flood)
*Britons*
*Archers: A/A+* (Depending on whether the top grade is reserved for Mayans)
*Infantry: B* (Champions and Halbs, full Blacksmith, Squires and Tracking)
*Cavalry: C/C-* (No Bloodlines but full Smith, only Light Cav and Cavalier)
*Siege: B-/B* (Onager and Siege Engs present, Capped Ram, Trebuchets with splash damage)
*Monks: C+/B-* (No Redemption, Atonement and Heresy; no significant gold bonus)
*Defences: B+/A-* (All building techs (that includes Hoardings) except Bombard Tower; extra tower attack with Yeomen; Longbowmen able to snipe units; no dedicated counter units to siege and infantry, but Longbows and Trebs can work defensively too)
*Navy (Early): B-* (No significant wood or gold bonus, but faster working Shepherds can free a villager sooner to get wood)
*Navy (Late): B+* (Town Centre discount saves wood; all upgrades except Elite Cannon Galleon; Shipwright present)
*Economy: B+* Early game B+ due to shepherd bonus; mid-game A- for Town Centre discount; Late game B due to missing Crop Rotation and no unit discounts or economy bonuses.
Also. Goths ftw. Best late-game infantry civ ever, but they also have a decent MAA flush imo :)
Spirit of the Law
I found a way to convert HD (steam) to the original conquerors(TC) and it work for VOOBLY as well. The reason being you can have a ton of spectators , mods , and a longer friends list.
1st) google HD to TC aoe2
2nd) Click the Reddit post you find and scroll to donwload
3rd) follow the steps with the reddit post or mine.
4th) Disable your firewall. Mine didn't allow it trough with out disabling.
5th) Open the Donload
6th) Check to see if you own Hd. Click convert. Then Auto configure Voobly
7th) I am not sure but you might need to reinstall steam
8th) Find the New Conqurer Icon and rename it so you can distinguish it between steam and original
9th) Right click the original Icon and click properties
10th) Find compatiblity
11th) Make sure it is running as administrator and it is using Xp Service pack 3. It won't Run Yer
12th) Download Voobly
13th) If you want to play single player the way I do it is I create a game with a password and let no one join
14th) Multiplayer is pretty self explanitory
15th) Your done , though you should no install my favorite mod, Portuguese Civ Mod III, the next steps will be how to download mods
16th) Google the mod preferably Portuguese civ mod III
17th) Download it and open the program.
18th) Make sure the directory is C:\*Program Files*\Microsoft Games\age of empires ii
19th) Confirm it *isn't* C:\*Program Files(x86)*\Microsoft Games\age of empires ii
20th) Don't download The Texture Pack
21th) Make a video on it (;
22nd) Leave a like on the comment so Spirit of The Law can see
So glad I found your channel, I was lacking some good AOE content
Do top 5 cav civs next.
Yessssssss, great video Spirit. You should make a "top 5 strategies"
But the extra attack damage of samurai on unique naval units wasn't a joke, right? RIGHT?
You should do a video on counters and strategies. Like choosing what units to produce in different scenarios. Attack and defense.
Good video, I still have to slightly disagree with your ranking^^ IMO the role of infantry is not to be a standalone type (unless your goth), so just having infantry beat the hell out of each other wount really represent a good infantry civ... whats the implication of this? Malians should be far higher as their infantrie is amazing vs archers (as a defensive unit, you still get kited) and Japanese i can not see there at all as their offensive capability shines rarely, whith their bonus being also harldy utilized as so many UUs we see are not at danger of getting attacked by samurai. Also i think Vikings should be in the list. The test you did there is really the worst ever situation for Berserks and the far best possible for slaves. Slaves have aoe, so you bunch up units, berserks are fast so you only fight infantry and dont utilize the speed, berseks heal, again not taken into account or utlized, and berseks have damage vs cav, so mix some paladins in there and see what happens, also equal res. after slave has an insanely expensive tech (not using berserkergang wouldnt make a difference) and ignoring population, even with all these factors bersekrs are nearly equivalent... that is actually pretty amazing, considering slaves have nothing before that tech while vikings do.
That was a lot of complaining for something i actually enjoyed ^^ sorry just take it as me being engaged :D
Vikings have good champions, but that's about it. Their pikemen are worse than generic halberdiers and the berserk is one of the less useful infantry unique units. They were awesome in AoK though, when only Japanese and Viking pikemen could cost efficiently counter Frank paladins.
@Jarl William It depends on what criteria you are using to quantify a top infantry civilization. Are we talking which civ purely has the best infantry or which civ with good infantry is the best overall?
Goths and Japanese have better infantry than Aztecs, Celts, and Vikings but the latter 3 are better civilizations in competitive play.
I really waited this video Spirit :3 Good job!
Could you make a bait/trap for your opponent by garrosining teutonic knights in a vulnerable TC?
Johnny Minamida Or else you could just load them into siege towers and rekt anything
It depends on what is used against the TC. It works against melee units or rams, but if it's attacked from range, it has zero function. And honestly, I would definitely use ranged stuff against Teutons, as they're much weaker against that, they're only OP in a melee fight.
+Spirit of the Law You should do a top 5 Calvary civs next. Look forward to your new videos.
Top 5 cavalry civs when?
Franks, Huns, Mongols, Slavs, Byzantines, if I had to guess, unless the War Wagon counts as cavalry.
Youmu Konpaku Are you sure you don't mean Magyars instead of Slavs?
I mean, sure, their unique unit is cavalry, but they're generally centered around their infantry.
Mongols, Magyars, Byzantines, Saracens and Spanish
Magyars, Berbers
@Youmu Konpaku The war wagon, depending on which version you are currently playing, falls under the "cavalry archer" and "unique unit" categories; meaning its armour classes are archer, cavalry, cavalry archer, and unique unit.
Man i love your videos so much greetings from germany !
-Nobody expect the spanish inquisition-
"Goth game plan" the video xD
Spirit's new video on my birthday, what esle could i wish for :)
Why didn't you talk about Burmese infantry?
they get plus 3 for thier abilites while aztecs get 4 for de upgrade
morrikai true,but their halberdiers are stronger than Aztec ones
Bled Ferox Aztecs don’t even get Halberdiers, lol. I think Burmese could’ve taken Aztecs’ spot, but I guess the Jaguar Warrior put them over the top.
Bled Ferox he showed how Aztec pikemen defeats halberdiers...
Aztec pikemen defeat generic halberdiers, but not Burmese halberdiers
You actually made a video about top 5 infantry civilizations :D
Whats the name of the last soundtrack? Please, need to know ;)
Wow you just made my day. Thanks, awesome video as always
I cant find the last song, its not listed(or am i dumb)
Me: I'm bored and nothing can enjoy me.
Spirit: Here is a video of mine!
Me: Nevermind!
Why are you giving slavs 5th place, when you said at the beginning, that you are going to focus on late game.
1. Goths
2. Slavs
3. Japanese
4. Aztecs
That's my opinion, otherwise good video and keep it up man :).
It's because slavs have nothing else, and they're only good in clumped trash fights which are late game
Yeah, he said he will ALSO focus on late game in addition to everything else. He didnt mean how infantry is only in the late game, just more as an important consideration.
Hi, Spirit
I was wondering, why didn't you ever made any of your video analisis of Age of Empires III? I know it's a totally different gameplay and often a bit of anoying, but it's still a great game after all...
Also, great channel, I love your video analisis, you add one more sub! ;)
gotta be Goths
I think you should look into "hold position" a bit more. Incas Kamayuk might come up quite a bit higher, when you do the tests. Put Kamayuks and Slingers in a "hold position" "box formation" and add a few monks. Test them against anything but siege to see their real strength. Phalanx > Barbaric chaos.
Funny thing is that Goth tend to lose the most against Vkings, Malians and Celts online.
It's always a good day when Sprit releases a new video. Sometimes I just have to load up your intro song just to fill that itch.
At 3:09 there's an error where you labelled the Jaguar Warriors as Generic Champions
Hand cannoniers or massed siege are the only answer to Goths I've ever seen.
Actually no. The best answer is PALADINS. If Goths mass halberds, they are screwed. With Cavalry, you can choose NOT to engage with halberdiers, and let ranged units do their work.
My brother specializes in Franks and I specialize in Goths. Believe me, your plan does not work.
If you're gonna use Pallies as a distraction force like that, you'd be better off NOT making Pallies at all. They cost a ton of gold, and that would basically throw away your supposed power advantage on the field. Better off using Light Cav for that purpose, and spend that extra gold on archers or siege instead.
Even at that, you can guarantee that a Goth player will have at least a handful of Huskarls in their retinue ;)
So... yeah, even those can be countered, but Hand Cannons and Onagers are probably the way to go, alongside perhaps a strong melee unit as a buffer.
I should really play start playing this again. Cool to see this is still sp active
maybe not top 5 but thought malay would at least get an honorable mention?
I wasn't expecting the Goths for the 1st place :0 I'm glad they are my favourite siv along with Turkish.
Sorry but I can't take it seriously when you say "Slavs are 5th but not higher, sure they can beat even the other civs on this list, but only after their lategame technology" but then give as a reason the Vikings aren't there that they lose to Slavs.
Like pick one or the other, Celts and Japanese also lose to Slavs once they have their technology in large fights. Of course Japanese also have better matchups against Cavalry with their Halberdiers and head to head vs unique units, but you are using a wrong way of reasoning nonetheless.
Also Slavs now have faster farmers making it easier to get infantry especially spear lines faster.
@@frankseward7017 Berserks are the most made melee unique unit in pro play atm because they do great vs infantry, trade cost effectively with paladins, the best anti trash unit in the game. this combined with 17% faster movementspeed than champions. Also haveing +14hp and +5 damage vs cav seems like a pretty good champion. And agreed slavs have faster farmers but viking eco is top 3 in the game and even better than the slav eco. (Not in late obv).
Teutons are my favorite Civ, so when I saw the TK in the thumbnail and yet, they were not mentioned in spots 5-2, my hopes were high as I thought they’d place #1. Then my heart broke as the honorable mentions rolled out...
Thankfully Goths are my second favorite lol.
This vid is out of date if it was updated Teutons would certainly be a top 5 inf civ.
I feel like that Malay and Burmese should've gotten an honorable mention atleast.
Malay because of their goldless two-handed swordsmen + Kerambits making them the quintessential quantity over quality civ in terms of infantry.
Burmese +3 atk bonus works as soon you hit the feudal age hit(albeit +1). And unlike the Aztecs, the Burmese have acces to Halbadiers giving Burmese Halbadiers a total of 13 attack (6+4+3).
Still Goths rules over all of them!
Well, i also like the Ethiopians unique unit, the shotel warriors, since they produce really quickly and can easily surprise attack someone's base, since 16 dmg and high speed
They are too gold-intensive, and can't counter mass huskarls unless they have gold to create onagers.
Nice work bro, you have a new sub
Japanese are not #1? Who are you and what have you done with Spirit of the Law!?
The Teutons would be more than just an honorable mention if this video was made in DE. That armor bonus makes halbs do better at what they are already good at, and makes them beat Japanese halbs. They only lose to Burmese and maybe Slavs (correct me if i'm wrong).
Where are the Persians?
Not as bad as Turks tbh.
Havent played in a long time, but I have to agree with the goths. Be warned, you dont have stone walls, so your best defence is going offensive. All you have to do is Spam barracks (even at your enemy base) and in terms of upgrades, just focus on infantry ones OFC. If you let your enemy gather a large army, you lose. Split your attacks and pump up your production. In a cost/production war you will prevail :)
That, or go for a Flush, possibly followed by building up some Skirms too to support them. I find that it's often a lot more effective than going into Imperial as fast as possible and getting all technologies before you can even build one unit :')
Poor burmese, they only got a cameo
its wierd they didnt even get an honorable mention. i'll take them over celt infant any day.
Seems like SotL has a thing against them, very suspicious
Dunno why. They're comparable to garland wars infantry, that's gotta be worth something.
He said he put emphasis on the late game, where Burmese would rarely use champions anyway in favour of elephants and Arambai, so the only unit you'll be left using are halbs. The civs he included have robust infantry and the tech trees and bonuses put infantry as the go-to unit, and infantry play a big role in their meta games.
their biggest assets aren't infantry, but their stable units + arambai.
this is a weird fact just like the malians (not-really good infantry, but surprisingly nice cavalry tech)
On hypothetical note, Which of the given alliance would you give upper hand to on basis of potential to assert domination in infantry friendly maps?
1. Teutons and Japs
2. Goths and Aztecs
3. Celts and Incas
4. Slavs and Malians
P. S. Your videos are great! Each one is like reliving the countless hours spent on this easily most favorite of games since childhood times.. ! :)
Supplies: i'm about to ruin Goths' whole career
While having a Top 5 for overall Infantry Civs is nice to have, what would be more useful to have would be a unit wise list of Top 5s
Example:
Top 5 scouts of the game
Top 5 Halbs of the game
Top 5 Trebs of the game
and so forth
Top 5 Infantry Civs helps you plan macro strategies while a Top 5 Unit wise list would help in executing micro strategies
Maybe SOTL should be give it a try- would be mighty useful
Maybe something like a separate Top 5 video for Barrack units, Stable units, Archery range units and Siege Workshop units
Each of these have roughly 6-7 units. So Top5 Stable Units can have a Top5 list each for Scouts, Light Cav, Hussar, Knights, Cavaliers, Paladins, Camels and Battle Elephants!
Are you canadian?
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"Yes."
YEEEH BOI Spirit of the Law video
It was a pretty unfair match tho xD
I definitely think vikings would be at least better than slavs. They also get the wheelbarrow and handcart which gives a food boost, food is the heaviest infantry resource
The issue with Vikings is that only their Champions are stronger, and the Berserk is not as worth it as other infantry unique units like the Woad Raider or Huskarl. The swordsman line is used far less often than other military lines such as the Spear line, which Vikings have worse than civilizations with Halberdiers. That being said, the Vikings are a better civ overall than the other infantry civs on this list except Aztecs.
well slavs are definetly better... they have 10 percent more food all the time. and they can purchase wheelbarrow and handcart also.. so overall in the late game or mid game they will have more food because vikings doesnt have that 10 percent bonus, and every other nation can get wheelbarrow and handcart.. same as splash dmg of slavs will wipe vikings easily
You should do the best defensive civs...but back to infinity loved it👍
So this is a "Top 5" with 5 honourable mentions..why not just a Top 10 then???
because then the honorable mentions would need more in depth analysis, making the video a lot longer.
Yeah exactly, the honourable mentions aren't in any particular order here, just "somewhere below the top 5."
Well yeah that is kind of my point. Why include it then? If you decide you want your Top x list 5 positions long why even mention the once that didn't make it? And why so many that it could just be a Top 10. It just feels unnecessary and like a half arsed effort as in "Yeah well these are also good but I don't really want to go in Detail".
You can skip to 5,4,3,2,1 from the time-links in the video description if you just want the list.... He's just saying why they didn't make his top 5 even though they may be many people's favourite infantry civs.
Well I would like to say that Beserks are very very strong against trash, they beat champions of every civ. They have decent movement speed. So they can run down archers. They only need 1.5 times the unites to beat fully upgraded paladins. So if you have 60 beserks and your opponent has 40 Paladins, you ll win that fight with more than 30 beserks left. They preform almost as good as their pikes.
Top 5 Infantry Civs:
1. Goths
2. Goths
3. Goths
4. Goths
5. Goths
Honorable mentions:
Goths, goths, goths and Goths
Again a great video but whats your outro song i couldn´t find it on Epidemic Sound :P
Celts really should have been #5 and Slavs #3, 5% bonus movement speed is hardly anything...
Woad raiders though
I got back to playing AoE2 lately thanks for help!
Your list is perfect
Infantry civs are my favorites to play, and there we are with this amazing video!!!
I know it's dificult to put on top 5, but i really love Incas infantry with +1+2 armor and those Kamayuk that smash almost any cavalry or infantry unit when used on a large number.
But for sure it's impossible to make a top 5 infantry list without those damn Goths, Japs and Aztecs. They're for sure the best infantry civs.
Slavs makes sense to me, but Celts was really a big surprise. I probably would choose Vickings because the best HP or Incas because of the Kamayuk. Yeah, i know, i love Celts too, they're +15% speed is really good on early game, but when we are on Imperial Age i think Berserkers are even better and have the same speed, as much as Incas with the Eagle Warriors + Kamayuk vombo with lot of speed and a tank unit.
Thanks for the video Spirit and keep the wonderful work you do for this comunity!!!
with the ~newly released civilisations, maybe there are some changes? id like to see your revaluated opinion in every mayor class (infantry, archery, mounted, siege)
I just love everything you do. Can you please do other games?
Another excellent video ^^
hmmm which one do I watch first? A video to get me ready for Infinity War coming up that I'm stoked about, or this video about a game I haven't played in 2 years.... clearly this one. ;)
Man I just love the Goths. Loved them since I was like 10 years old.
What other videos need to be made:
1. Best anti siege units (siege units do the most damage and the best way to counter them is most needed. And without siege it is impossible to win a conquest)
2. Best horse mounted unit (I found the Elite Tarkan quite underwhelming, need one to compare all)
3. Best Siege based Civ
4. Best lumberjacks, hunters and best miners, I know there's one on best farmers
5. Best defensive Civ given all constraints