Mark Zuckerberg & Yuval Noah Harari in Conversation
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2024
- Mark Zuckerberg hosts Yuval Noah Harari for a frank conversation about some big challenges -- as part of the Facebook CEO's 2019 series of public discussions about the future of technology in society. The overarching question they debate is: what are we going to do about the systemic problems of the current technological revolution?
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Intro
00:01:30 Is Technology Fragmenting our World?
00:08:00 The Role of Online Communities
00:11:00 Facebook & What is the Goal?
00:14:00 Creating Greater Global Cooperation & Securities
00:19:47 Localization, Globalization, & Extremism
00:25:25 Is Globalization Always Positive?
00:29:11 The Free Market and AI
00:34:09 How Nationalism Affects Data Privacy
00:41:40 An America First Approach to Data
00:48:40 Building AI Protection Systems that Actually Protect Us
54:00 Data Centralization, Decentralization, & the Cold War
01:04:30 Hijacking Human Attention
01:14:00 Is the Customer Still Always Right?
01:20:39 Correcting for Extremism
01:25:00 Totalitarianism & Surveillance Capitalism
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Mark invited Yuval to talk. Then Mark tried to find approval for facebook. Mark didn't find approval. Mark sad. Don't be like Mark, be like Yuval.
Nice 😂😂 but You can't be Yuval. Yuval have unique personality which is shaped by his culture, actions and thoughts. As he say in his books, We can only be influenced by Yuval and try to copy his patterns. We better be our own observer of world and patterns and enjoy the story told by our mind. 😅
hahaha
@V Nimec Priceless! One of the best RUclips comments that I have read in years. 🌻
No, Mark is not sad. On the contrary, Yuval confirms he can and/or will be the most powerful man in the next 10 years.
OMG LOL
Zuck may not be a robot, but his barber certainly is.
Ultra hilarious haha
I imagine Zuck with earning in one ear. Would improve his image.
Haha! Spot on!
Hahahahahahaha
Wigger looking like data from Star Trek TNG
Yuval's face when Mark is giving history lessons 😂😂
ho hoho🤣🤣
Mark: Economy economy economy. Business, entrepreneurs, economy!
Yuval: Yes, but a stronger economy in our current model doesn't actually solve the essential problems of human suffering.
Mark: I totally agree, but there's a deeper question here. And business, economy, coding, economy, economy, production!
The shareholder and the intellectual.
These two have been thrusts unto humanity as some greats which they are not, just an illusion of one. No one really cares about either one as they are corrupt!
On a point
And dude runs a “social media”😂
Not once have words like love, compassion, beauty, sensitivity etc.have 34:45 come up here😅
Too skeptical imo
Harari asks the one key question that Zuckerberg avoids answering: "Are we trying to connect people so ultimately they will leave the screens and go and play football or pick up garbage or are we trying to keep them as long as possible on the screens?"
not the key question but one of them but, of course, none of them was answered properly, rather an attempt to justify FB's policy
I think I can answer that:
It's not meant to obtain Zuckerberg's answer. It was meant to get Zuckerberg ask himself that very same question later.
How do you spawn a change within someone? You do not "tell them to change".
Rather than that, you get them to think the subject through and through.
We all know the answer to this 😂
@@mannyzagri7451 - That is logical and true if built on the premise that Zuckerberg was actually in charge.
@@mannyzagri7451 Don't you think It would be good to ask dirrectly if he thinks that taking our voices and thougts to be sold without declare.it in the therms of use is fare? Sorry for my bad english (I am brasilian).
Zuckerberg was talking about Facebook and Yuval was talking about humanity.
Thats it!
Yes!
Foreal
Yeah, Zuck can not talk about humanity.
@@MaydaOchoa Exactly !!! Why ? THat is the answer to the epilog of Sapiens book, don't you think ?
Mark. As a new podcaster I have learned to listen more than I speak. You had a long speech, changed the subject and had a long speech on that.
Yuval speaks about people
Mark speaks about users
I want Yuval to interview Elon Musk. Please make it happen.
That would be brilliant. +1
That would be Awesome!
Yes!
That would be as interesting as Joe Rogan interview w/Elon.
that would be great +1
Yuval looking deep into him at the start to see if he has a soul 😂
😂. You killed me
@@jerrysenoge5163 You felt that to brother 😂👍
Lol
But he sold that too😂😂
Tamsin Rodgers - Taylor haha...
A radical idea: technology should actually improve people's emotional wellbeing, generally their life satisfaction (and it would be nice to give other animals some slack also). And it's development should be guided by those purposes. I find it pretty ridiculous that people in tech seem to be familiar with the terminator, matrix and other dystopian movies and yet instead of treating them as warnings they treat them as inspiration. What the hell? :)
You will have no effect on anything during your stupid life. Just remember that.
Mark is bit more optimistic about the newer technology while Yuval is bit apprehensive about the same. Both have their own perspectives. Who knows what would happen in future. I am glad to see two contrasting views being discussed in a single frame in an educative manner !
Mark: „It’s important to make people feel good about themselves“
Yuval: „People that feel good about themselves have done some of the most terrible things in human history“
bingo
That's a good one
😲😂
good point
Drop the 🎤
Mark is getting more advanced with each new iteration.
lolol superb
Mark is yet to pass the Turing test
lmfao
lolol.
This comment is the more advanced iteration of what I wanted to say. :D
Such an important conversation ! It’s a critical time to wake up and to harmonize and not only to connect
I feel that Mark looks relaxed and carefree compared with many of other interviews (elsewhere).
"People that feel good about themselves have done some of the most terrible things in human history." -Yuval Noah Harari
which says nothing. the tendency of positive self-images of the people is nothing new.
"It's interesting to mention my name in a random quote and take the emphasis out of context"
-Yuval Noah Harari
I would argue that that's not actually true. The terrible people might have seemed from the outside to feel good about themselves and they had giant egos. But deep inside all of the most horrible people were deeply deeply troubled and messed up. No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others. It's only the people in pain who want to bring pain to others.
@@ThinkHuman "No happy and fulfilled human being wants to harm others"
are you sure?
first of all: happiness is no constant condition. second: many rich and somehow satisfied people exactly want this; harm other people. why? because "their success", what ever its made of, often makes them think to be something better than others. one possibility. the other causes are for example crazy wishes for consumption, that always go on. its multicausal of course, just as the influence on happiness is multicausal and never static.
i could go on forever with this. i just think, you are wrong with this statement.
Did Hitler feel this way, in order to fulfill his desire, in order to attempt destroy a Nation?
Yuval: You can unfriend your facebook friends, but you can't un-neighbor your neighbors...
Mark: Yeah
Haha. I get the point since I've read about plight of his neighbor
There is enough space in the desert. Live your free life there if you want
Yes you can. Ed Sheeran did it. Bought his neighbours houses so that he can live in peace. If you have as much money as Mark, you can doing anything you want.
Thats said by mk gandhi
@@skyglidestudios3443 are you serious? ed sheeran did that?? lol
Perfectly unmatched people.
I am sure they won't be making another podcast together 😅
Here's a kid who always did what he wanted to do, who invented a toy that turned into a giant and now wants to set himself up as an intellectual of great stature who wants to help people.
Mark interviews Mark.
can't agree more
Perfect
And the way he is trying to justify himself is absolutely disturbing
Remembers Yuval is speaking in a second language and Mark in his first.
Thankyou for noticing this.
I don't know why but I feel that people who speak in their second language often take more time to consider what they are saying. A large part of it does have to do with his intelligence though
@@theflaca Most people in the US just expect fluency in English, which is why it seems so mundane, but with greater consideration, the level of intellectual achievement of language competency Yuval has is incredible!
@@mik2420 I aggree.
@@mik2420 👍
Wow, Mark Zuckerberg did a great job of interviewing Mark Zuckerberg.
really?
Interview is always two sided, but in this conversation, Markz didn't give change to hararri to speack
Your comment is funny, but it's true.
this comment should be pinned at the top!
Has obviously part of this new religion anti Christ garbage. If you can't see it you just don't know where to look. These guys you can see coming 10 miles away, so transparent. It's all deception
I normally don't like people interrupting but I really wish Yuval would do this - maybe like a second after each time Zuckerberg starts talking.
I swear Zuck looks and talks like Data from the old Star Trek TV
Here’s the big issue: Mark only listens to himself and seems unable to respond to the issues being raised. He dominates the conversation without really saying anything
I think he is constantly saying "I have all the answers". Scary.
Seems like he's on the spectrum.
@@karaa7595 Obviously. But most of us on the spectrum realize that seeing the world differently and having really high IQs doesn't mean we have nothing to learn.
i know! he talks too much and meanders for absolutely zero reason
So did David Fincher actually portrayed the true arrogant asshole in him?
Yuval Harari, you are an amazing compassionate human being, thank you. Mark, please consider the wisdom and intelligence that Yuval is so generously presenting to you, for the sake of humanity and the natural world.
These people are smart and very well resourced and they have a very sort of strategic view of how they want to see the world develop and God and a Soul are not part of that strategy.
As a Soto Zen Buddhists, we hold the precept of doing( no harm) to other sentient beings, but for these two we should make an exception !
I salute Yuval for listening to Mark patiently, I'm really finding it hard :-)
Jewish r very patient people generally speaking. After all the shit they gone through history & finally the Holocaust, they got such a small country that everyone wants to take it from them & they still try to explain patiently the need for a Jewish state.
@@roygertel How being Jewish have anything to do with his patient? :-) and Israel? you made me laugh.
@@barbe1550 Oh maybe I took it too much far indeed
@@roygertel yeah that comment made you look ridiculous
@@korruptnovellst4751 Why I don't have a sense of humor...
Times that Harari starts speaking : *Zuck free* (you're welcome, thank me later)
1:08 2:06 8:07 10:57 15:40 21:38 28:22 31:29 36:59 41:32 43:09 48:42 51:16 53:25 1:01:33 1:06:33 1:13:36 1:18:05 1:25:16 1:33:04
Legend
Around minute 7, I thought of reading the comments. It’s not always that you come across a helpful and generous people. Thank you for your time for saving mine!
I do feel like I'm developing a disgust and reviling toward Zuck, and I hoped listening to him in conversation with Yuval would soften this.
doing god's work :D
Thank you😀
I came from 3 years after this video, and what Mr.Harari has said become more realistic
They know where the world is headed.
When you ignore the fact that Zuckerburg met Harari three years ago but now the fact that this team-up took place, now makes complete sense. Complete Sense. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” Luke 21:28. You don't know what it's like for me - to only fear (love, respect, be in awe of) God and my saviour, Jesus The Christ. YHWH = Hand of Grace, Nailed in Grace.
Most of the time zuckerbot is interviewing himself without noticing it.
Exactly
totally... and completly non-coherent
Lol it has not yet realized the difference between I and you
I thought the same thing! It’s making this youtube video probably the only (and the most) annoying and frustrating of all Yuval’s publications
Ya someone should time who spoke for how long. Hilarious and such a great example of lack of self awareness .
Yuval: "We have global problems that need solving."
Mark: "I am passionate about online communities."
lol
LOL ! I am a nerd and want to be in front of the computer, so let's make everybody to feel like I do ... as I am not as smart as you are, let me only defend my social communities and pretend I made the world a better place.
Yuval...global problems....Mark...but I played little league!
You can’t solve a problem without knowing the values of people. It becomes problematic when a government is authoritarian rather than democratic. If you’re worried about AI knowing more about yourself than you do then that’s a problem with the individual/variable being too gullible/persuaded/ manipulated by emotions and popular culture. People need to go inward and find out what their values are. The solution is mathematical the problem is rap music and basketball tailgate “culture”. It’s not natural to North and South America but political IMO. Wash your fake weaves.
The world is with idiots like the trio Zuckshit, Trump and Jared K. Too bad a genius like Dr. Harari wastes time with this crap.
I've listened to this conversation, and listened to two other videos with Harari in them yesterday. One thing I did seem to understand, especially after today's video, is that neither of these people want to give credit to a higher power, God. Both are Jewish, and The Tanakh, which is also the Christian's first ten books of the bible, is there to learn. Of course, Christians go one to read the rest of the book. It amazes me that these two brilliant men are not using their wisdom, given to them from the Almighty God (remember all wisdom comes from God,) to give Him the credit for what they have gained, or to use it for His glory, which is what the Bible requires. They may see my view differently, but in what they are discussing, someone is going to be left out, though they try to act like they don't really want to leave anyone out. That isn't the way the Bible even works. A person is suppose to have a personal relationship with the Lord, who in turn blesses them, and they gain from that. If we fail to spread the message of God and His Truth, what do we gain in the next world? It is as if you won't have a place in the next world if we rely on these teachings. The Bible does state that all history repeats itself; that there is nothing new under the sun. American will follow your advice because we are being led at this time by atheistic people, and the Lord is going to abandon us as a nation. Of course, those who believe and follow His commandments will be just fine, either this side of heaven or the other side. That is the biggest picture these guys are missing out on.
Lo sigo a usted porque me gusta practicar con usted mi aprendizaje en ingles, Follow you because,, i like practice with your canal my learn in english, thanks Yuval Noah Harari, Shalom, Shalom
Love how Yuval is staring at him at the beginning and shouting in his head like: "I CANNOT TELL IF THIS ONE IS A REAL HUMAN OR NOT."
I read that in Harari's accent.
Same feeling
Sapien*
Exactly! that's the first thing I noticed too :D
Yea, I literally thought the same 😂🤣😂🤣
The intellectual difference here is astounding
I bet both are in the top 1% of intelligence.
Stefano Bregante, one is, the other one just got lucky!
I had my mouth dropped when MZ applied that “people who didn’t adjust to online communities” are lost!? Good that he understands that virtual “friends” are not only the same- it’s totally different. Mostly because he is not present there
MZ's only genuine concern is the well-being of his golem. He knows what's wrong but he cannot FEEL it. He is a B+ bulls*&^%er
zuckerbergs iniative here comes from lack of experience historically speaking and his are views of his younger generation ..goals very greatly here.....great sell for facebook......
It’s amazing, that AI creature sitting with Harari is so lifelike (if a bit “uncanny valley” if you know what I mean.)
The interview is great. I think both had an interesting time, and both are more sure about their opinions after this interview.
It looks like the near future is not focused on valuating the human soul and what makes us humans, because the power is in the hands of those who run the AI and other Informational sources. And what they think is only the ability of humans to consume, consume, consume. And... Make them rich.
Odd ...thought A.G.I. noticing nature of global data liberated .... when yesterday's vested manipulated monetary unit accounting encryption .... bit the dust obsoleted .
This data disclosed all kinds of planetary systems disconnects to Real Economy * .....
The future rehabilitation of yesterday also indicated orders of magnitude increase in Real Wealth * underwriting of planet .
Egoless logic found a global energy stockholder Commonwealth through further inspection and the more stockholders the merrier the Commonwealth .
* " Critical Path " ( intro . ) / " Synergetics : The Geometry Of Thinking " ....Richard Buckminster Fuller ( Institute ) ....source .
It’s absolutely annoying listening to Mark lingering on meaningless egocentric questions and skipping the topics that matter from Yuval.
Felt the same
Yuval: *asks a good question*
Zuckerberg: "I think the bigger question is..."
In a nutshell
can‘t agree more
It is obvious that Zuckerberg just can't understand what Yuval is talking about. Clearly, he needs to read all the books of Yuval so that he can understand what Yuval talks about. Religions|ideologies used to hack human brains and redesign| reengineer the brains of individuals in the past.. In the near future, AI or social media platforms or Hitech industries will replace religions... Human Will IS NOT FREE... There is no such thing as FREE WILL... Our mind sets are shaped by forces other than our OWN will... Though we believe to choose this or that freely actually we choose what our manipulators want us to choose and the funny thing about it is that we think we choose on our own alone...So, voting and democracy IS A BIG LIE. A drug addict will for a drug. Wishes to have a drug... Does he really want it or the drug wants his or her brain to long for it? Religions make us believe in certain gods and we think that we have chosen our god on our own...In near future, Hitech or AI will shape our mindset to choose a particular politician or a product and then we will choose that particular product or politician and will think that we have made that choice solely by our volution at our own discretion... I think Zuckerberg is not avoiding anything. He is just in need of reading a lot of books on human choices and human will and mind-controlling. Yuval and Zuckerberg are the last 2 people to talk about human engineering and free will and ethics/values. That is because their talk has shown that Zuckerberg is the least knowledgeable person to talk on these matters with a professor.
hahahahahaha
nailed it
only a robot could sit through Harari's initial hard stare
I think an interactive relationship which includes spoken language potentials, facial gestures and body language and ... is a necessity in mind and brain growth and development which in turn is required for a better world ...
and a reliable toaster...
The camera is trying to make Zuckerberg the big man and Harari the small one , but Harari's intelligence and good argumentation is way more superior than the constant counterattacking method of Zuckerberg
So true
Yea I get that
Still, Harrari got a platform to give his opinion on Zuck's stance. Even if Fox did it without intimidation it would have been good.
The reason Zuck let Harari interview him was that he wanted to get his own ideas out. And Harari was a good interviewer & allowed Zuck lots of space to get his opinion out. Without Harari i would have skipped this video. This is the first time I hear Zuck & I agree with your evaluation.
Fortunately Yuval has years of Vipassana meditation behind him to help facing egomaniacs like zukenberg.
@@ili626 Well it's the practice done by the Buddha, the Dalai Lama, and Yuval, a dude way smarter than you or me, so maybe it has some benefits? Of course retreats are privileged experiences, but it's important to separate that from the practice, which can be done by anyone of any means.
@@ili626 Hope I can clear up some of your resentment towards Vipassana, and I'm sorry that Vipassana meditators have presented themselves in a bad way to you.
First off, you portray meditators as privileged leeches living off the charity (and cookery!) of others. The reality is that the same people who sit the courses also volunteer to serve/cook on them. The food and board is paid for via donations from old students, too, because many feel such gratitude for the teaching. In fact, it's a real pleasure to "cook other people's meals for them", because it lets old students give back the peace and harmony they've gained from the teaching :) Thus, Vipassana's a community of giving and receiving freely and without demands: I don't really see what's objectionable about that!
The privilege of having a week and two weekends off is, for many people, a result of either sacrificing holiday time or choosing a life path that involves less money and more time. Most people can find 7 workdays to take off at some point in their life, it's usually a question of sacrifice. Yes, there is something self-centred about devoting so much time to self-improvement, I agree. This is why so much of the course is about "Metta" generating compassionate love for others. Many meditators actually use the course to then leave it and go out into the world and do good things, just like our main man Mr Harari up here.
Lastly, you seem to perceive meditators to treat their vow of silence with pride and false heroism. This confuses me. Noble silence is only one component of the course requirements. It's really not the core of the challenge, it's just the thing that for some reason shocks those who haven't sat before the most. Anyone who sits the courses will tell you that the challenge is to meditate for 10 hours a day, dissolve your ego as much as possible, resist your temptations, and generate compassion for all creatures. To quote the course, the challenge is to work diligently, ardently, patiently, and persistently. That is the only challenge, not the silence! I really encourage you to give it a try yourself, be open to the idea that it might lead to some harmony and goodwill you, and that that may have a net positive effect on the world around you :)
@@ili626 no problem, glad to help. Give it a go if you're interested check out dhamma.org :)
@@henry050607 sadhu sadhu sadhu
Ash Rosen thank you for such a good answer. You clearly represent what a Vipassana meditator is.
May you be able to continue spreading compassion and good will towards all beings.
May you be happy, be peaceful, be liberated :)
the argument about "my mother"was the best
It feels good Hearing him speak about the importance of local communities and individuals and fisical commection.
It hurts to see how little Zuckerberg hears (or is willing to hear) what Harari is saying
it's difficult for Mark to think objectively, when he has been a megalomaniac for so long. Though I give him credit for taking the challenge and talking with Yuval publicly, have to wonder what the little voice in marks Amygdala is telling telling him when he is alone and contemplative. Lets face it, the human race is being excavated, uprooted and displaced, and nothing can stop it, but for man to go back in time which he will never choose to do. This is the calm before the storm, enjoy it while it lasts. Party like it's 2099. paulkempe.com nomadscoat.com
Mark seem egoist about what he achieved by luck
Moving between different groups of people with diverse backgrounds, you realize it can be difficult to understand why someone acts the way they do.
Little Zuckerberg?loooll. Do you have any idea what little Zuckerberg accomplished that your hundreds of years ancestors could not?
He's just a bad interviewer
checking emails when Mark talking, switching back to youtube when Yuval talking
Same bro same😂
I use mute button
congratz, thats how you activly exclude opposing facts and views :D
I bet you got to 0 emails in your inbox, this guy will not shut up
@@lexforsaken1404 Conceptually I couldn’t agree more with you, the thing is that when you listen to the first 15 minutes, you’ve heard everything Mark has to say. In this interview at least, he’s not interested in reflecting on what the consequences can be of his company doing what they do, he remains repeating that he’s full of good intentions. What Yuval is trying to tell him is that this tech can (and most likely will) be used by people whose intentions and interests are very diverse, but Mark simply doesn’t want to hear it.
The way he's looking at Zucchini like man this dude IS a robot
Its amazing how Mark pauses and goes silent for few seconds whenever Noah ask a question and after a while he comes up with something which he thinks is good and favorable for the social media consumers.
I heard about this process ! It’s called re-thinking/reflecting 🥲😂
I listen to the video when yuval talks and read the comments when mark talks
@@ili626 no unfortunately i listened to the whole thing. Of both people talking.
😂 🤣 😂
I don't think Mark knows how to listen. He's been on this ride for so long he believes he's the "king of the world." Yawnnnnn.
😂😂
Zuckerberg made up a word, 15.15 - "Depthness".
I shuddered.
The ultimate example of "you can't make a man see, if his livelihood depends on not seeing".
@Invesigator 2 hear hear
Listening to this and knowing about Brexit and Cambridge Analytica/Facebook puts this discussion on a completely new footing
Local communities care about people. Globalist are not invested locally. Its not up to them to decide who is important and who is not.
Yes, we should be nice to people, Wilbur.
sounded like a debate between Yuval's concerns and Mark's defenses.
indeed!!
When Yuval talks about having to develop social mechanisms to deal with someone you don't like in your geographical community (like a neighbour) it suddenly becomes clear - the man who built the most eminent social network has no social skills. This is deeply profound.
Yeah its absolutely clear. Its perhaps one of the biggest ironies of our time
Hi 🤤
Oh wow…
Enserio? Zuck un antisocial?
This's so inspiring.. so, i'm just subscribe
Is like looking at two robots with AI interacting
Mark is trying to convince himself that he’s doing something good for humanity. The truth is that his creation is a monstrosity who’s damage has only just began.
if MZ didnt invent facebook someone else would. MZ is not the devil incarnate but we are locked into his views and his decisions. The Truth is that the world is moving in a direction that can not be stopped its hard wired to us as a collective humanity. If we become slaves to a minority elite feeding us gruel it can not be stopped.
Johhny England Good point.
I don't even know if he's convinced. Mostly he is just repeating the company's logos. A really cringy thing to watch, he's trying to defend his own interests on his marketing strategy...
@@xtxpxhx marketing strategy? Defending what? Do u think facebook needs help to spread its product?
@@Czypu do you mean the same Facebook that tracks your data and sells it to advertising companies or the social media platform the least popular amongst younger genrations? Because Facebook is a multi billion company that does have a marketing strategy, not only directed for you to open an account but to keep you using its platform and services. Facebook main business is not providing you for a space to post embarrassing photos of yourself for free but matchmaking your profile with potential products and services that pay for that very specicific information. This is Facebook basic business model. None one is giving you entertainment for free. Because if you think Facebook main mission was to bring you closer to your friends and relatives you really need to ask yourself if you're not only just repeating the company most famous tagline: bringing people together.
Yuval practices Vipassana meditation and I can tell it works because he was sitting there patiently listening to Mark..
AI controlling us is a simple idea, but it's actually more complex. We've always been influenced by AI in some way, and the concept of choice is kind of random. When we look within ourselves, we connect with a higher intelligence we can't fully grasp.
exactly even before all this tech came in there is something that has always been controlling us and A.I is just gonna make it stronger...
Mark didn't invite Noah to interview, he just wanted to say his mind on the matters😅
This felt like Mark doing PR/Marketing. Great job Yuval for keeping him on point.
Yuval is such a beautiful mind!
Except for the last convo, they were totally on different pages throughout the whole convo :3
And some of u it seems r complaining why Mark talked from an economical and technical pov and for some reason assumed that Harari is right to talk from a social and historical pov and bashing Mark for it?... But it all seemed natural and as expected for me cause they're from different backgrounds dealing with different things so their pov and posession of info will obviously be very different. Harari didn’t talk from an economic and technological pov, at least not on the lvl of Mark and vice versa...
However, I loved Harari's speech more than Mark's cause he seemed totally out of it with all the 'uh's and half finished sentences
Thank You ...❤️
World of People should be upgraded
If we look at the world as a computer this is how to
Upgrade Computer:
Back everything up.
Make sure you have everything you need before you start.
Make sure you can get the answers you need.
Make the technology work for you.
Record everything.
Change one thing at a time.
Ground yourself frequently to avoid static electricity damage.
Keep track of the screws and other small parts
Use force when necessary, but use it cautiously.
Check and recheck before you apply power
Start small for the first boot.
Don't throw the old stuff away
Leave the cover off until you're sure everything works.
Replace the cover to avoid overheating components
Having read Harari's haunting writings on algorithms, social media, and big tech companies preying on people, I find the idea of Zuckerberg interviewing him hilarious
Yes, lol. They are trying to outgoings each other.
Hărăzit este susținătorul internetului cu Zuckerberg ...Ăștia 2 când vb inconstient de fapt va hipnktizeaza sa credeți în ei.
How can we profit from this ?
@M15 yes, after they take your biometrics and sell it to big pharma, and to every bussiness that wants them along with ur location and hackable body full of experimental poison vax .
😂
Yuval: “Can I trust the US?”
Mark: “Uh, I think the question is... blá-blá-blá, connections, communities, values... (changes the topic, don’t answers the question)”
I noticed that too, but is it really for MZ to comment on that? He is not the US. Wouldn't it also have been weird (and kind of pointless), if he tried to defend the US against the accusations?
Only if one doesn't understand context. Not answering a question is its own kind of statement. It's your job as an intelligent observer to consider all of the possible reasons as to why.
And I think, we as a business people, should built it from the base, like predesign city, gentle with the environment and open to all providing the essential (health, education & Food) by free , financed from part of taxes, I think this could be a healthy circle, between people getting integrated to society feeling safe and people giving taxes, feeling not stolen
I was looking for to hear from Yuval. What deception! Mark self centred questions and answers didn’t allow Yuval’s expressions and thoughts. Well done Yuval! Great listener …
After 15 minutes I couldn’t continue listening Mark…
I reminded me great Oscar’s question: “…hei, are you asking to listen or to respond ?”…😂
the way yuval looks at mark is hilarious
He looks ready to kill him 😂
Hahahahahahaha
He killed him from the very beginning.
I have watched some of Yuval's talks and I noticed how he looks to every host he's talking with. We can say that he's a serious and smart on everything he's saying.
the disdain is fuming off him lmao
Yuval Noah Harare administers the Turin test.
hahaha
Ahaaahhahaha
:)
Do you mean the Turing Test or are you referring in some way to the shroud of Turin? Is it a joke?
The Turing test, developed by Alan Turing in 1950, is a test of a machine's ability to exhibit intelligent behavior
Mark is given too much hate for his comments and thought process. But we should appreciate his courage to be able to sit in front of Yuval and articulate his thoughts. Although Yuval's PoV is more towards physical connection, equality, global growth, etc. We have already come a long way from all these notions. There is no logical explanation given by him on how we can achieve that egalitarian notion. Mark does a good job in taking these tough questions and explaining his thought process around it. At the end of the day, every professional is working to gain from someone's misery. However harsh it may sound, if YOU don't do it someone else would.
Sadly if Mark was a female, there would be barely any hate comments
Mr Yuval, you nailed it once again. Your position and view is cristal clear
Yuval touching on profound issues while Zuck is trying to sell Facebook... Yuval's way that he looks at him is priceless
Absolutely, there is fear and contempt in his sight, and most likely there are reasons for it.
LOL yup
Right
He upped the tempo too. I caught that. It’s really sad.. “I don’t know who discovered water, but certainly wasn’t the fish.”
A young white man who grew up comfortably with all of his needs met would never understand the pain and suffering that our man is trying to warn of.
The essence of conversation:
Yuval: "There is no free will, so clever people can manipulate you".
Zuckerberg: "We need to add this button in Facebook".
Yes
There is free will. We are just freely choosing to get manipulated by facebook. You don’t have to use it. All you need is water and bread.
@@YasuoMidOnly and shelter and a job... and social interaction... and therefore many choose the biggest platform on earth to stay connected... yeah you can leave any time you want but thats not the solution here. FB needs to be better or our whole communication system needs a revolution so that we don't need facebook.
Conflicting interest.A historian and a businessman.It is educational ,informative, and laiding all the options for humanity to decide weather they will continue to enslave themeselves in this technological upheaval that manipulated our lives in so many ways and sad to say i am one of the victim to that slavery i must say cant help my self not to open my phone and hook my self to this kind of talks instead of reading books and have a wonderful conversation with my family and friends that human connections was absent because of this technology surge. Affects the richness and deepthness in our social life?can we reverse the question instead? For how long we enslave ourselves to this global framework ,technological revolutions when we failed to recognised the most core problem that these tech guros created to human curiosity ?
I find more and more I use social media sites and other sites to pass time because I suffer a lot of fatigue and chronic illnesses which handicap me from getting out and about for face to face human social communities and interaction. As for the "walls" to put up, when a country does not provide affordable housing for its own citizens and a huge homeless population exists in every major city and many small communities the last thing on the legal citizens mind is to want and let thousands of illegal entry people into their country.
I came here after watching Dhruv Rathee's video "how social media destroys your life"
As far as I understand, Mr. Hirari has 2 fears about AI technologies:
1. Increase of inequalities between countries: on this there is a parallel made between the European colonialism in the late 19th century and what Facebook, and overall the "AI community", may be at risk of doing virtually today.
2. Control or influence of population using AI technologies: overall what strikes here is the refusal of Mr. Zuckerberg to open up to the idea that Facebook itself maybe a testing ground, or worse than that, for large scale population control though AI technologies. The parallel between centralized Russia and Facebook is probably the scariest of Harari's insights. Even if we believe in the positive intend of Facebook to help connect people, create communities, or simply give small business owners easier access to people who would benefit from their products, I cannot help be concerned about the negative potential of FB in terms of influencing people life's by spreading to them a tuned sub-category of information.
This debate is fascinating because Mr. Harari is asking whether Facebook should exist, while Mr. Zuckerberg is answering how to make it the best possible... :-) He is claiming that he designs FB to answer the long term fundamental needs of their customers, while Harari is saying that FB has the ability to manipulate these fundamental needs, of course including the needs about FB itself... It is fair to say that the world isn't only FB, but when you look at the way information is shared between FB, Google, Amazon,... there is a real concern that the guidance that is being provided in various forms has a real influence on people.
Both fears are probably enabled by the fact that good feelings and good people can do the most terrible things...Indeed, the worst belief may be the blind belief in good, especially one's good, the good of one's country,... the power of the belief in good as means of gaining acceptance from people believing in good was illustrated perfectly in the movie "Vice" where the terrible deeds of the Bush administration are shown to have been designed from the onset on the grounds that since the President of the US is a force of good by definition, it is just not possible that he may be doing bad things. At least Dick Chenney knew he was just manipulating a country...
This is also discussed here from another angle, which is the angle of data ownership (as the source of power of AI algorithms). Here also, Facebook sees itself as the good guys located in a good country. There is no answer to the insightful question from Harari about whether a Tump led US can still be trusted to be a force of the good when it states openly that his priority is himself (as a person, as a country). Good enough that the citizens of the world should trust it to store their confidential data. Openness and globalism is used here as a selling agent for the need to refuse the supposedly negative trend of fragmentation. While the underlying question about trust is evaded. Can we trust policies to be the right ones in the current context? Can we trust Facebook to follow policies. And even if they intend to, can we actually monitor whether they do? And the ultimate question... can we still trust ourselves when our views are being recommended to us by algorithms?
Your point is very interesting. As a 15 years old girl, I grew up with Internet. And I'm asking myself if Internet did of me the person I am now, and how much it will influence the person I will be ?
Good job breaking this down to the key insights and questions. Do you do movie reviews also? :)
@@chewyjello1 thanks, I wish I had the time! :-)
Great sum up, Zuck just kept wanting to stand on an optimistic stand bc I understand thats the attitude he needs to have as head of Facebook. wht Yuval wish to hear frm him as Yuval stated in his book is whether Zuck would be willing to reduce the use of Facebook, ofcourse still helping ppl best to connect, to let ppl go out and interact with each other, in addition change Facebook into a model not dependent on data collecting and protect ppl best as it can. Zuck cannot state Whether hes willing to sacrifice some of his company or even most of it when necessary for the good of the world. I dont know if he has any will or thinking of it but certainlt he can never say that as head of the company. But I think he somewhat gets Yuval's points, hopefully he will try to prevent malevolent outcomes
There was an episode of South Park were a tool was developed to catch internet Trolls.
The side effect for that you can find anyone's entire internet (and comment) history if you just type his name in the search bar.
The mayor or the chief of police (if I remember correctly) told the people of the town that they shouldn't be scared - if no one will type names into the system, all of them are safe.
So they just need to trust that people are good and can resist that temptation.
All of the people freaked out at that moment because they know people are shit.
And everyone watching that episode knows that they are right to be scared.
We cannot trust that the average person is good and so the technology will be used for good. If a powerful tool is used then bad people will use it.
Mark is just running away from the questions because he can't handle them.
Moneymaker versus Intellectual. Egoism versus Idealism.
Non sense. All of us are egoist. The only difference is that some do virtual signaling from their own fears while history is made outside.
Yuval, I think Mr Zuck, it's trying to take an advice from you, about how We as a society can integrate those individuals that are apart/against, as we know Facebook and all AI platforms are just a machine, giving us just what is our interests, so how can we make those who are unable to use this machine, feel themselves integrate in the society and create wealth by finding interest that improves our society?
The changes that internet has brought into our lives aren't all bad but there are alot of things that we need to incorporate and correct in our technological advancements.
Zuckerberg never shifts his perspective, or even admits that perhaps he should. I find this scary. He is speaking with a brilliant expert in history and humanity, yet never listens to learn: he listens only well enough to argue his own premise.
Zuckerberg believes that people who are impoverished and marginalized by the AI revolution can simply make different political choices, even as he fights to allow political disinformation on Facebook. Throughout this conversation, he seems uninterested in any new perspective on his institution or his grandiose plans (issuing his own currency, connecting the entire world on his terms and undermining current political institutions) to remake the world according to his rather narrow fields of interest. He seems to genuinely believe he knows how to dictate the terms under which the entire world should be run. He seems determined to forget that power and knowledge do not equate to wisdom.
As for Harari, he seems to find that Zuckerberg's egoism is far more dangerous than he previously knew. This does not stem from a lack of awareness or preparation on Harari's part, but from Zuckerberg's inability to value any viewpoint that doesn't coincide with his own.
@Joan Zito My point exactly. We are listening to two brilliant minds speaking, yet only Harari is willing to listen.
I fundamentally like you as a human being, good luck ❤
wow, excellent perspective!
Mark: young, u.s.american jewish entrepreneur with unstoppable mindset, straight impatient and always moving foreward like a 17 year old egocentric claiming to know it all, speaks more than he might know
Yuval: young but mature thinker and historian, gay, doubting and questioning on much higher levels, seeing humans on a much deeper larger more holistic scale, patient, speaks less than he thinks, actually knows more
Why would i ever do that?? It just seems so obvious that yuval is jewish-the name says it all. I also prefer to say less and know more
@@majorhoulihan8448 true but still you emphasized mark jewish ethnicity...
What is so important about Marc being jewish? I mean Yuval is jewish too
@@majorhoulihan8448 couldn't be more true
Does major houlihan sound that uncivilized, stupid and unaware? It's obvious she or he is intelligent and knows Harari's basic biographical details. Come off it. Vigilance is good, but your hypervigilance makes you look sketchy. You sound like a nice person, though. All the best. @@amz9191
It was on a hand done with a pin but which way out and which way in
Why would you need services for interconnectedness when it is always given through the natural structure of our brain?
Why can't we have Mark's barber on the show; to understand what goes through his mind while shaping the future of Mark's hair
This is the funniest thing I have watched... Yuval looks deeply concerned.
When doing the over-the-shoulder shot, the cinematographer chose to shoot from a lower angle when showing Zuckerberg, making him look essential and dominating. In contrast, when Harari was in the frame, they deliberately chose to shoot from a higher point of view, making Harari look dominated by Zuckerberg. These are the basic rules of cinematography when shooting a dialogue scene like this. Why did the production team choose to shoot in this way? :)
Every time Zucky is talking, he would be (most of the time) alone in the frame, whereas on the opposite end, Zuckerberg's shoulder and a half of his head would be on the right side of the frame while Harari is talking.
As I listen to Zuckerberg, I feel fear. As I listen to Harari, I feel courageous. The difference between unbridled avarice on one hand (so I don’t really buy this “community” vision of Z), and enlightened and prophetic realities on the other.
🙌 👏 🙏 🤝 👍 Sucker-Zwerg is only an ugly scapegoat, installed by unfriendly institutions to CONTROL Miilions of unconcscious users (aka sheep, flock, crowd).
I love how Yuval -in a very Zen way- is not buying Zuck's BS.
This dialogue shows us that you don't need to be the richest man in the world to be the brightest one.
Juan Pablo Davila most importantly, you don’t have to be the brightest or the wisest to the richest or the most powerful.
Yuval using the mind control stare
Zuckerberg needs to listen to this interview and what Yuval Noah Harari is trying to convey.
Mark talks and talks but not lislen or does not want to listen. What Yuval says does not suit his interests. And shows how much Yuval is right.
Mark is a pragmatic guy. He hears but gives concrete examples that he implements to counter the hypothesizes of Yuval. He's not the type to have theoretical conversations, it's not his nature.
One thing I have noticed about Mark Zuckerberg is that he needs to do some homework on how to become a good listener. He shouldn’t forget that his guests for discussion are masters in their fields, so it will be more wise to listen and grab as much information as possible from them rather than keep on talking and in the process missing gleaning valuable information from the invited guests.
I mean he isn't there to have a conversation. In multiple occasions he purposefully missinterpreted Yuval.
I think he still needs some time to grow up. Gates was somewhat like Zuckerberg but as Gates grew up he started to show signs of maturity and now present Gates thinks 100 times before he speaks. Perhaps we need to give Zuckerberg time to mature. He is still a young man but a multi-billionaire. Well, with money one cannot compensate age related maturity features.
This is how this seems to go. Every time Yuval talks I feel like he is trying to clarify, makes things clearer, search for truth. Every time MZ talks I feel like he’s trying to obfuscate, manipulate and turn the conversation towards showing him and his company in favorable light. He is not searching for truth, he is looking to obscure the truth in order to obtain the viewers’ approval.
I thought Mark said 'here today with You All Know Harari'. You sir have a clever name 😂