I mean, you've got to be realistic about the issue here. I have a spider that I have to repeatedly turn right side up. It was a surrender to a local PetSmart on a day I just happened to be picking up mealworms, so I took him home because I didn't want him to be abandoned again. His "wobble" is one of the worst I've seen, and he usually takes one or two strikes to get a mouse. There are also several videos online showing spiders missing meals, and even a few with the snake biting itself instead of the mouse. They are gorgeous snakes, they deserve homes and SHOULDNT be euthanized (like some people claim), but I'm on the fence about breeding. Plenty of them live completely normal lives, but genetic defects tend to get worse, not better, as the line ages. I don't know... it's a big discussion.
@@funnygaming2672 Incorrect; I know breeding issues when I see them. I also know abuse when I see it... this snake is insanely sweet and LOVES interaction with humans. That is absolutely not going to happen with a severely abused animal. Not immediately. He also eats very willingly, doesn't vomit, and explores when he isn't asleep and doesn't have any marks indicating healed injuries. This is genetic.
Screw all the nay sayers I personally love spider and have a clutch of eggs 2 weeks away from cutting that came from my spider female and I'm so excited to see these babies
I have a bumble bee that I bought a few months ago and it is awesome. Eats like a champ and has never struck at me as long as I don't smell like food. I'm definitely collecting a couple of more in the future for pets only.
Spiders have been bred since 1999. Spider morphs are 12th most popular morph/combo morph on Morph Market. The spider morph would not have lasted so long in the market, nor been so popular if it truly had an issue as serious as the anti-spider lobby would have as believe.
So, I don’t know a ton about genetics or ball pythons. I do know about Jeeps. Death wobble is a real thing with jeeps. It’s bad, and more importantly it can be corrected or at least mitigated after it presents. How is this not breeding for failure?
I have a 2400 gram spider female. She takes about 3-5 seconds to eat if that. It's almost instant. No issues whatsoever. And she does have a wobble. But it seems like it does not stop her from doing anything.
You’re literally admitting that the mutation has caused the animal to wobble which isn’t a benefit for its species. But your obsession won’t let you understand how bad that is b/c you’re okay with it and try to justify your actions by saying she still eats okay. Your elation is. It about tbr animal it’s about how it makes you feel. If you really did care you’d have a problem with an animal wobbling b/c if a mutation. White people are about dominating everything.
I like spider in certain combos. Spider works good with pastel, od, calico, I like how it makes a thin line in clown. I have no wobble issues with mine. They seem to be amazing eaters and breeders.
Now that I and Eshe my spider have calmed down and over excitement of getting your first snake. I have to do a shed test on her. Mom is a cali-bee and dad is enchi, od, yb and fire. She looks most like your cali-bee I think. Love these
Hell yes, so they're a little weird. Know it, deal , .it's a beautiful animal. P.s. if they didn't eat, they would be extinct! 'You can educate the ignorant, you cant fix STUPID "! GOD BLESS Y'ALL
Inspect before you get, be around a few then decide for yourself. I have a good number of spiders, and the wobble is very minimal in my entire collection. Everyone eats fine, strikes fine, and has zero issues moving around. I have one that get shaky when excited. One that when held will get confused a bit on up/down. And one that when excited and fed occasionally (seriously only once in a blue moon) swallows upside down.
I love breeding snakes which I very well know will have a neurological defect which may very well terribly affect their life just because they have pretty colours.
Spider is one of those things I don't blame people for not liking it, but god damn I wish people would quit acting like breeding them is legit cruelty. It's really, really not people, stop making animal advocates look like a bunch of crazy sissies.
Every combo possible in the Mojave lesser fire spider but if it is a Mojave lesser, that should be an all white snake. Maybe a grey head. If it isn't, it doesn't have both those genes in it.
Love the vid!! Been curious to get a bumblebee. But i have noticed that most of the spider combos tend to brown out as they get older. Im looking for more the bright yellowish color. Are there any spider combos that hold the color more as they get older? Fire perhaps?
I bought my first ball python this year and bought a normal. When I bought my next ball python from a local breeder, first he made me feel like an idiot cuz I bought a normal and not just spend that extra dollars to buy a pastel. I really want to start breeding but man hopefully it’s just my locals around has been discouraging. Thanks for the videos you put that gives knowledge to noobs like me. Now that I’m actually gaining more knowledge, I’m thinking about making videos to show my journey and help those newcomers.
Me personally, I have my own spider morph ball python. He’s very easy to take care of and thank you for the information because I was wondering about the wobble that he does and now I know it is just genetic thank you for all the information.❤
Ok so I had a female calico spotnose spider with a very like wobble and she was at 1600g so it’s not like it was a hatchling that it hasn’t showed up in it yet well the point of the story is I think some genes added on top get rid of the wobble a lil more
Second if you want a all white and black snake I think your going down the wrong road with the pastel spider axanthic just because the pastel is to strong in axanthic the yellow always shows y not try fire enchi yellow belly spider axanthic where the color won’t be that bright
If a spotnose spider didn't wobble, that is lucky as spotnose increases wobble. It usually shouldn't be paired to spider. I don't get yellow back in my axanthic really. Pastel is definitely a part of the look I want, but it needs more. So fire has to be there. Currently looking at super pastel, fire, yb, axanthic to get there.
I like the spider gene, but I don't know enough about wobble, and there's plenty of other genes I enjoy, so I'm staying away for now. I think Clint's Reptiles made the best argument so far in favour of the spider gene.
He actually made one of the worst arguments and his reputation is terrible in the herptile community. He compared spider ball pythons to autistic people, saying "Autistic people want to be autistic and they all have SUPERPOWERS! so obviously the spider does too!" and in general a lot of his points were just stupid and terrible excuses. He is also known for keeping all his ball pythons in racks for all their lives, with no proper vivariums.
I like My GHI spider For Her Big Dots in her pattern probably an fugly spider combo to you, but I know what I want to add to make the combo better, and can't wait for the future! Still lots to do. Her wobble is no worse then any of your snakes that's for sure, but damn she just doesn't like Rats but She Loves mice just got her to eat a small rat today actually. Trick is to give her a rat as she is slurping down a mouse Only after she is almost done with the 1st prey item ( the mouse) I throw in a rat and its the best shot, I've also been trying to scent both mice and rats coming her way with vanilla extract. long story short Switching a 600+ Gram female off Mice takes a lot of time and a lot of mice. and you might never switch them
I may sound a bit ignorant here, so don’t be too rough on me. This is from my own head, I be never heard any reptile RUclipsr say. But to me the reason a spider is called a spider, is because the black lines that go across the saddle, down each side is because the lines are really bold, and kinda just spreads out sporadically along the sides. I don’t know, that may have not made any sense.
I’m here to vouch on the scar cause my baby spider he escaped out of his ghetto tub I build 😢 I had to doctor him but he’s okay lol them spiders snakes are good con artist 😅
Great video! Spider is just one of many genes to work with. If they do not want spider. They do not have to use it. Although, them trying to tell you how to keep and breed is not fair. To use or not use spider is the breeder's choice.
It's so fucking weird how breeders forget that their snakes are living creatures which aren't just collectibles. There's a difference between breeding snakes which you very well know will suffer from neurological defects which will cause them pain their entire life, vs having an anime girl figurine which you get judged for.
@@striderwhiston9897 Animals and figurines are not camparable. No, one else is making that coparison, but you. Snakes are not collectibles either. They are living creatures and should not be culed or miss treated just because they are disabled. A breeder should know that the spider gene has gene linked issues before desiding to work with animals that carry this dominant gene. It is the breeder's responiability to intrust his snakes to other keepers who are willing and able to care for the snake(s) and that always includes issues and situations where the animal may need accommodations. If someone is not willing to make reasonable acomidations for their pet then they should not become a pet owner. No human or animal will be healthy for its eniter life, and no human or animal should be culed or miss treated just because their caregiver will not accommodate their reasonable need for accommodation. When it comes to deformities in ball pythons there are a number of issues that can arise due to an animal's pedigree (family tree). For example, blue-eyed luces can have bug eyes - bulging eyes that stick outta their head, Piebald with the lesser gene can have micro eyes- extremely small eyes, The champain gene is lethal if two copies are inherited, and so on. Matt and everyone who works with him make every effort to inform the general public that spider has motor control issues and sometimes adding more genes into the mix adds to the motor control issues. What you don't think snakes who have motor control issues should not be breed even when they can be cared for well and thriving? Great, be a breed of ball pythons and DON"T work with the genes in the spider complex. All genes are mutations and sooner or later a health complication will be linked to them all, so have fun breeding normals. I hope you don't cul the ones that look or act slight different.
@@annakevlin8634 Because spiders, even if they have mild symptoms, will always have neurological defects, and it's completely different to say, breeding pastels. Every spider breeder I know has little regard for their beeps, only caring about the money lost if one dies and not the actual animal, it is immoral to breed beeps, and that's final, just like how it's immoral to breed pugs with one another.
Thanks for making such an awesome video. I absolutely love the spider gene. My first ever clutch will be with my spider girl and OD leopard het clown male once they both get up to size. I'm really hoping for a leopard dream bee, and plan on making a super OD crypton version.
@@striderwhiston9897 If you dont like the gen then don't work with it, thats your choice. Going around shitting on others for what they are passionate about is just bad character. Maybe you should find something positive in your life, instead of trying to bring others down. Chase goals instead of clout in the cooments section. I wish you the best. ✌️
@@chrisw9344 Being passionate about a cringe thing is your choice, being passionate about breeding a gene which will cause beeps pain in their lives is just immoral. Good thing breeding spiders is going to be banned in the UK.
Even though I don’t condone it, people have nothing to say when literally we breed pugs and frenchies and about 95% of them have to have surgery just in order TO BREATHE.
Personally i like the spider gene, i have a dream bee and a fire spider, they are both lovely girls, great feeders, great temperment.. Thanks for the video :) i enjoy watching your channel :)
You like the spider gene not the snake imagine you were breed to create a genetic a negative genetic mutation only b/s someone liked a certain color pattern. You’re an awe full person on an awe full ordination channel justifying been awe full. Birds of a feather flock together.
Not going to deny, my major hesitation on buying the girl who's arriving tomorrow was that she has Spider in her... But, well, that's because the whole reason I was looking at females was to consider getting one to someday maybe pair with my favorite male, who's a Banana Firebee, and I didn't want to pair Spider x Spider. She was just too amazing to pass up, though, so now I have an excuse to maybe look for another male at some point in the future to compliment her genes. If I ever actually decide to breed any snakes. Which I haven't so far. So it's not really much of an issue.
@@OlympusReptiles She's now here and completely mellow and laid back, despite being a hatchling who was just shipped. Incredibly relaxed, easy-going snake. I've found that a lot of spiders seem unusually calm. This girl's Pastel Mojave Super Enchi Spider, possibly Banana, according to the breeder; she is absolutely gorgeous. Bright yellow, minimalized orange markings, and blue eyes. Freshly named Aurora, since she looks like a sunrise. Not even a hint of wobbling, unlike my Banana Firebee male, but he also didn't have much until a freak accident with heat; 120f outdoor temperatures, a power outage that shut off all the AC's and the backup power failed... so it got a lot hotter inside. And of course it happened when I was over 200 miles away and didn't know. I was lucky to only lose an incubator full of rare-breed chicken eggs, and that I had my dogs with me. He's still completely stable while on a solid surface, but wonky and skittish when being held now until he calms down. Very glad I no longer live in the hell called 'high desert'. Just another note to support your comments about the effects of excessive heat.
I haven't watched your videos in a while but still the same great content but i hope you have been doing good and i remember when you done your first what are the strains 2 or 3 years ago
I'm looking for videos to help me because I took any spider morph the thing about spider more stuff and neurological condition like the wobble if it is presented you should never breed them because they'll be more persistent and their babies. I got my snake on the soul purposes with the breeders that I would not be breeding her. No the wobble is not present every spider ball python
From My experience Combos That have 4 genes including spider cost less or about the same , as the same combo with out spider. so the greedy spider breeder Thing Just doesn't make sense
Anyone that hates on spiders, have no clue what they're talking about. Sure, you can't breed it to certain things. But that just simple education you should know before you even get into the hobby. Olympus, I love you guys. Still waiting to buy that shirt in black
"Anyone that hates on spiders, have no clue what they're talking about" It's about morality, not how they look, although spider breeders only care about the "looks" part.
Lol, thank God I don't live there. Better ban woma, champagne, spotnose (all wobble). Also black pastel, cinnamon because the supers. Don't forget albino because light sensitivity. Caramel for the kinking. Want me to go on? There is way more. If you want facts on spider, look into more than just one source, get experience around them (no, you don't have to buy them go see others people have) and form an educated opinion from multiple sources AND experience.
@@OlympusReptiles And? Who cares if they're banned too? The royals don't care about morphs, only people do. You're purposefully causing pain in royals because "oo funny colours and patterns and money!! omg!!" I've looked into spiders enough, seen the terrible shit videos like from clint and brian, i've formed my own opinion.
@@OlympusReptiles Also I believe a good comparison are pugs, the mammalian version of spider ball pythons. They have often have multiple health issues, and are only being bred for humans enjoyment, same with spiders.
@@striderwhiston9897 Pugs struggle so hard to just breathe on top of all thier other issues. Having one minor neurological defect in the spider is much different than a pug. Stop comparing the two. They're not the same at all even if both are bred for looks.
@@melodymorrison9069 Spiders can barely recognise food (or sometimes not at all and have to be forcefed), they can barely move around in the right direction, they don't know which way is up or down, they can't keep their head stable, can't recognise danger, etc. Spiders suffer from numerous health issues which makes their life likely pain, they ARE comparable. It's extremely ignorant to say they're suffering from one minor neurological issue, which is just completely wrong.
Thanks for educating people about this gorgeous mutation. Big spider fan here!
I love it when Matt rants 😂
I mean, you've got to be realistic about the issue here. I have a spider that I have to repeatedly turn right side up. It was a surrender to a local PetSmart on a day I just happened to be picking up mealworms, so I took him home because I didn't want him to be abandoned again. His "wobble" is one of the worst I've seen, and he usually takes one or two strikes to get a mouse. There are also several videos online showing spiders missing meals, and even a few with the snake biting itself instead of the mouse. They are gorgeous snakes, they deserve homes and SHOULDNT be euthanized (like some people claim), but I'm on the fence about breeding. Plenty of them live completely normal lives, but genetic defects tend to get worse, not better, as the line ages. I don't know... it's a big discussion.
you have a rescue you don't know what really happen to your snake, extreme case are from ABUSE !
@@funnygaming2672 Incorrect; I know breeding issues when I see them. I also know abuse when I see it... this snake is insanely sweet and LOVES interaction with humans. That is absolutely not going to happen with a severely abused animal. Not immediately. He also eats very willingly, doesn't vomit, and explores when he isn't asleep and doesn't have any marks indicating healed injuries. This is genetic.
My spider is an active little bugger lol no wobble stops him from thriving lol
Screw all the nay sayers I personally love spider and have a clutch of eggs 2 weeks away from cutting that came from my spider female and I'm so excited to see these babies
I have a bumble bee that I bought a few months ago and it is awesome. Eats like a champ and has never struck at me as long as I don't smell like food. I'm definitely collecting a couple of more in the future for pets only.
Me personally, I have my own spider morph ball pythons they’re very easy to take care and also thank you for all the information
My spiders hit their food harder and faster than any of my other snakes. Fact!
Mine is the same. Smokes those rats
Spiders have been bred since 1999. Spider morphs are 12th most popular morph/combo morph on Morph Market. The spider morph would not have lasted so long in the market, nor been so popular if it truly had an issue as serious as the anti-spider lobby would have as believe.
I have a female bumble belly that's almost two years old. She's never missed a meal and has no visible wobble. She's a great snake.
Spider is the bad ass morph for ball python, even the normal spider looks amazing.
So, I don’t know a ton about genetics or ball pythons. I do know about Jeeps. Death wobble is a real thing with jeeps. It’s bad, and more importantly it can be corrected or at least mitigated after it presents. How is this not breeding for failure?
I have a jeep. Spider wobble and jeeps ate different. Old video not sure what reference is here
HAHAHAHA SUBSCRIBED IMMEDIATELY AFTER "I'll feed fuckin spiders all day long if you people need me to ???!" you're awesome!
It's because of you guys that I keep looking for a Spider Leopard to buy!
Amazing snakes. Thanks for the video. For sharing the information about the spider Gene.
I want a Cali bee so much...it's so pretty 😍
Great video, thank you for the video. We love our spiders and have 4 in our collection.
I have a 2400 gram spider female. She takes about 3-5 seconds to eat if that. It's almost instant. No issues whatsoever. And she does have a wobble. But it seems like it does not stop her from doing anything.
You’re literally admitting that the mutation has caused the animal to wobble which isn’t a benefit for its species. But your obsession won’t let you understand how bad that is b/c you’re okay with it and try to justify your actions by saying she still eats okay. Your elation is. It about tbr animal it’s about how it makes you feel. If you really did care you’d have a problem with an animal wobbling b/c if a mutation. White people are about dominating everything.
I like spider in certain combos. Spider works good with pastel, od, calico, I like how it makes a thin line in clown. I have no wobble issues with mine. They seem to be amazing eaters and breeders.
Great vid guys
Now that I and Eshe my spider have calmed down and over excitement of getting your first snake. I have to do a shed test on her. Mom is a cali-bee and dad is enchi, od, yb and fire. She looks most like your cali-bee I think. Love these
Should do the feeding video just to shut the haters up.
I love spider. I love seeing someone not hate on spider! Thank you for being Spider positive!!
Hell yes, so they're a little weird. Know it, deal , .it's a beautiful animal. P.s. if they didn't eat, they would be extinct! 'You can educate the ignorant, you cant fix STUPID "! GOD BLESS Y'ALL
I also share you passion for the spider morph. 😎👍
i like spiders. the calico sides and cool pattern. the wobble is scary but they are very pretty
Inspect before you get, be around a few then decide for yourself. I have a good number of spiders, and the wobble is very minimal in my entire collection. Everyone eats fine, strikes fine, and has zero issues moving around.
I have one that get shaky when excited. One that when held will get confused a bit on up/down. And one that when excited and fed occasionally (seriously only once in a blue moon) swallows upside down.
Screw those people spiders are awesome I've had some crosses without wobble great video
I love breeding snakes which I very well know will have a neurological defect which may very well terribly affect their life just because they have pretty colours.
Spider is one of those things I don't blame people for not liking it, but god damn I wish people would quit acting like breeding them is legit cruelty. It's really, really not people, stop making animal advocates look like a bunch of crazy sissies.
You definitely should do a feeding video
Apollo! The snake that made me want a bumblebee lol
I have a spider Mojave lesser fire an i thought about breeding her to my lesser Volta what outcomes should I expect
Every combo possible in the Mojave lesser fire spider but if it is a Mojave lesser, that should be an all white snake. Maybe a grey head. If it isn't, it doesn't have both those genes in it.
Love it excellent if possible can you please tell me what I would get if I Breed a citrus pastel banana pied male to a female toffeeno
banana pastels, bananas, pastels and/or normals. All Dubble het for pied and toffino ? no visual pieds or toffinos
het toffino = 50/50 chance of beeing het albino or het toffee, i guess.
Such beautiful snakes
A video of you feeding all your spiders would be cool.
Love the vid!! Been curious to get a bumblebee. But i have noticed that most of the spider combos tend to brown out as they get older. Im looking for more the bright yellowish color. Are there any spider combos that hold the color more as they get older? Fire perhaps?
Fire helps!
Man great video. :)
I bought my first ball python this year and bought a normal. When I bought my next ball python from a local breeder, first he made me feel like an idiot cuz I bought a normal and not just spend that extra dollars to buy a pastel. I really want to start breeding but man hopefully it’s just my locals around has been discouraging. Thanks for the videos you put that gives knowledge to noobs like me. Now that I’m actually gaining more knowledge, I’m thinking about making videos to show my journey and help those newcomers.
Do it. Some will always give you crap. Buy what you like, get a feel, and it will grow
Me personally, I have my own spider morph ball python. He’s very easy to take care of and thank you for the information because I was wondering about the wobble that he does and now I know it is just genetic thank you for all the information.❤
It is genetic as it’s a neurological issue
@@FinnedFusion like wtf people still want to breed the spider morph, it's fucking neurological issues
@@nafis2495 I have one
@@FinnedFusion it's suffering
Ok so I had a female calico spotnose spider with a very like wobble and she was at 1600g so it’s not like it was a hatchling that it hasn’t showed up in it yet well the point of the story is I think some genes added on top get rid of the wobble a lil more
Second if you want a all white and black snake I think your going down the wrong road with the pastel spider axanthic just because the pastel is to strong in axanthic the yellow always shows y not try fire enchi yellow belly spider axanthic where the color won’t be that bright
If a spotnose spider didn't wobble, that is lucky as spotnose increases wobble. It usually shouldn't be paired to spider.
I don't get yellow back in my axanthic really. Pastel is definitely a part of the look I want, but it needs more. So fire has to be there. Currently looking at super pastel, fire, yb, axanthic to get there.
I like the spider gene, but I don't know enough about wobble, and there's plenty of other genes I enjoy, so I'm staying away for now. I think Clint's Reptiles made the best argument so far in favour of the spider gene.
He actually made one of the worst arguments and his reputation is terrible in the herptile community.
He compared spider ball pythons to autistic people, saying "Autistic people want to be autistic and they all have SUPERPOWERS! so obviously the spider does too!" and in general a lot of his points were just stupid and terrible excuses.
He is also known for keeping all his ball pythons in racks for all their lives, with no proper vivariums.
Is paper towels okay to use? Because I've been using paper towels. He seems to be doing good.
If it is working, yes
So I have a spider ball python and an axanthick is it ok to breed the two? And what will the offsprings look like or be called?
Yes, and spider and normal, all het axanthic
I like My GHI spider For Her Big Dots in her pattern probably an fugly spider combo to you, but I know what I want to add to make the combo better, and can't wait for the future! Still lots to do.
Her wobble is no worse then any of your snakes that's for sure, but damn she just doesn't like Rats but She Loves mice just got her to eat a small rat today actually. Trick is to give her a rat as she is slurping down a mouse Only after she is almost done with the 1st prey item ( the mouse) I throw in a rat and its the best shot, I've also been trying to scent both mice and rats coming her way with vanilla extract. long story short Switching a 600+ Gram female off Mice takes a lot of time and a lot of mice. and you might never switch them
I may sound a bit ignorant here, so don’t be too rough on me. This is from my own head, I be never heard any reptile RUclipsr say. But to me the reason a spider is called a spider, is because the black lines that go across the saddle, down each side is because the lines are really bold, and kinda just spreads out sporadically along the sides. I don’t know, that may have not made any sense.
It was originally I think supposed to be spider web or something and just got shortened. The pattern resembles a web
Hey! I have a puma BP with spider in it and I eventually want to breed him. What females should I pair with him to get the coolest morphs?
So many options
Can you breed a pastel spider with a spider?
You shouldn't. Any spider x spider can result in dead babies
If you do, basically 25% will be normal, 50% will be spider, and 25% will be super-spider (lethal). 50% will be pastel as well.
@@OlympusReptiles why/how can they result in death, and got a big 2600gram 10 year old spider female,
Very beautiful ❤️
Hi. For a female or that size? What’s your feeding schedule and what size of a rat do you feed?
Not sure which snake you are talking about, but we feed weekly, one rat about as big around as the snake
My syder eats VERY well. He does miss and got my wrist. I was like Sir Sasshole no.
Right in the middle please look for the target 🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I’m here to vouch on the scar cause my baby spider he escaped out of his ghetto tub I build 😢 I had to doctor him but he’s okay lol them spiders snakes are good con artist 😅
I miss the jankie tub days.
Great video! Spider is just one of many genes to work with. If they do not want spider. They do not have to use it. Although, them trying to tell you how to keep and breed is not fair. To use or not use spider is the breeder's choice.
It's so fucking weird how breeders forget that their snakes are living creatures which aren't just collectibles.
There's a difference between breeding snakes which you very well know will suffer from neurological defects which will cause them pain their entire life, vs having an anime girl figurine which you get judged for.
@@striderwhiston9897
Animals and figurines are not camparable. No, one else is making that coparison, but you. Snakes are not collectibles either.
They are living creatures and should not be culed or miss treated just because they are disabled.
A breeder should know that the spider gene has gene linked issues before desiding to work with animals that carry this dominant gene.
It is the breeder's responiability to intrust his snakes to other keepers who are willing and able to care for the snake(s) and that always includes issues and situations where the animal may need accommodations.
If someone is not willing to make reasonable acomidations for their pet then they should not become a pet owner.
No human or animal will be healthy for its eniter life, and no human or animal should be culed or miss treated just because their caregiver will not accommodate their reasonable need for accommodation.
When it comes to deformities in ball pythons there are a number of issues that can arise due to an animal's pedigree (family tree).
For example, blue-eyed luces can have bug eyes - bulging eyes that stick outta their head, Piebald with the lesser gene can have micro eyes- extremely small eyes, The champain gene is lethal if two copies are inherited, and so on.
Matt and everyone who works with him make every effort to inform the general public that spider has motor control issues and sometimes adding more genes into the mix adds to the motor control issues.
What you don't think snakes who have motor control issues should not be breed even when they can be cared for well and thriving?
Great, be a breed of ball pythons and DON"T work with the genes in the spider complex.
All genes are mutations and sooner or later a health complication will be linked to them all, so have fun breeding normals.
I hope you don't cul the ones that look or act slight different.
@@annakevlin8634 Because spiders, even if they have mild symptoms, will always have neurological defects, and it's completely different to say, breeding pastels.
Every spider breeder I know has little regard for their beeps, only caring about the money lost if one dies and not the actual animal, it is immoral to breed beeps, and that's final, just like how it's immoral to breed pugs with one another.
Thanks for making such an awesome video. I absolutely love the spider gene. My first ever clutch will be with my spider girl and OD leopard het clown male once they both get up to size. I'm really hoping for a leopard dream bee, and plan on making a super OD crypton version.
I love breeding neurologically pained snakes knowningly just because haha funny pattern
@@striderwhiston9897 If you dont like the gen then don't work with it, thats your choice. Going around shitting on others for what they are passionate about is just bad character. Maybe you should find something positive in your life, instead of trying to bring others down. Chase goals instead of clout in the cooments section. I wish you the best. ✌️
@@chrisw9344 Being passionate about a cringe thing is your choice, being passionate about breeding a gene which will cause beeps pain in their lives is just immoral.
Good thing breeding spiders is going to be banned in the UK.
Even though I don’t condone it, people have nothing to say when literally we breed pugs and frenchies and about 95% of them have to have surgery just in order TO BREATHE.
Exactly.
Personally i like the spider gene, i have a dream bee and a fire spider, they are both lovely girls, great feeders, great temperment..
Thanks for the video :) i enjoy watching your channel :)
You like the spider gene not the snake imagine you were breed to create a genetic a negative genetic mutation only b/s someone liked a certain color pattern. You’re an awe full person on an awe full ordination channel justifying been awe full. Birds of a feather flock together.
What would breed with a bumblebee male? Love the video!😁
All kinds of stuff. Really, just avoid the lethal combos and all good
I have a spider ball python female and I don't give a f*** what anyone thinks she's my baby
Not going to deny, my major hesitation on buying the girl who's arriving tomorrow was that she has Spider in her... But, well, that's because the whole reason I was looking at females was to consider getting one to someday maybe pair with my favorite male, who's a Banana Firebee, and I didn't want to pair Spider x Spider. She was just too amazing to pass up, though, so now I have an excuse to maybe look for another male at some point in the future to compliment her genes. If I ever actually decide to breed any snakes. Which I haven't so far. So it's not really much of an issue.
Lol. Needing another is never a problem. But yes, avoid spider x spider
@@OlympusReptiles She's now here and completely mellow and laid back, despite being a hatchling who was just shipped. Incredibly relaxed, easy-going snake. I've found that a lot of spiders seem unusually calm. This girl's Pastel Mojave Super Enchi Spider, possibly Banana, according to the breeder; she is absolutely gorgeous. Bright yellow, minimalized orange markings, and blue eyes. Freshly named Aurora, since she looks like a sunrise. Not even a hint of wobbling, unlike my Banana Firebee male, but he also didn't have much until a freak accident with heat; 120f outdoor temperatures, a power outage that shut off all the AC's and the backup power failed... so it got a lot hotter inside. And of course it happened when I was over 200 miles away and didn't know. I was lucky to only lose an incubator full of rare-breed chicken eggs, and that I had my dogs with me. He's still completely stable while on a solid surface, but wonky and skittish when being held now until he calms down. Very glad I no longer live in the hell called 'high desert'. Just another note to support your comments about the effects of excessive heat.
Is that a real gecko on your wall?
Nooe
If people think they are the worst let them think it they are missing out on a cool animal
I haven't watched your videos in a while but still the same great content but i hope you have been doing good and i remember when you done your first what are the strains 2 or 3 years ago
I am doing great, except yt doesn't promote us like they used too. I appreciate you watching, I truly do. Please share and bring others to the fold
I'd love to see a feed video of nothing but fucking spiders XD Lovely animals!
My fire Spider does not wobble :-)
I have tried to look on the internet but nuffing
I'm looking for videos to help me because I took any spider morph the thing about spider more stuff and neurological condition like the wobble if it is presented you should never breed them because they'll be more persistent and their babies. I got my snake on the soul purposes with the breeders that I would not be breeding her. No the wobble is not present every spider ball python
It IS present in every single one, unless paired with blackhead. Anyone saying it isn't is either lying to make a sale or doesn't understand it.
From My experience Combos That have 4 genes including spider cost less or about the same , as the same combo with out spider.
so the greedy spider breeder Thing Just doesn't make sense
My Black Bee eats Everything I put in front of her.. and she's Gorgeous.! But anyways yeah thanks for sharing...
Anyone that hates on spiders, have no clue what they're talking about. Sure, you can't breed it to certain things. But that just simple education you should know before you even get into the hobby. Olympus, I love you guys. Still waiting to buy that shirt in black
"Anyone that hates on spiders, have no clue what they're talking about" It's about morality, not how they look, although spider breeders only care about the "looks" part.
I bet you won’t do a spider feeding video 😉
Lol
Really I'm not damn lol jk I know I just love the spider. I think they are super awesome and unique
They got a bad rep do to go herping
Kill the spiders!!! JK lol
Can't wait until breeding spiders is banned, getting close to that in the UK! :D
Lol, thank God I don't live there. Better ban woma, champagne, spotnose (all wobble). Also black pastel, cinnamon because the supers. Don't forget albino because light sensitivity. Caramel for the kinking. Want me to go on? There is way more.
If you want facts on spider, look into more than just one source, get experience around them (no, you don't have to buy them go see others people have) and form an educated opinion from multiple sources AND experience.
@@OlympusReptiles And? Who cares if they're banned too? The royals don't care about morphs, only people do.
You're purposefully causing pain in royals because "oo funny colours and patterns and money!! omg!!"
I've looked into spiders enough, seen the terrible shit videos like from clint and brian, i've formed my own opinion.
@@OlympusReptiles Also I believe a good comparison are pugs, the mammalian version of spider ball pythons.
They have often have multiple health issues, and are only being bred for humans enjoyment, same with spiders.
@@striderwhiston9897 Pugs struggle so hard to just breathe on top of all thier other issues. Having one minor neurological defect in the spider is much different than a pug. Stop comparing the two. They're not the same at all even if both are bred for looks.
@@melodymorrison9069 Spiders can barely recognise food (or sometimes not at all and have to be forcefed), they can barely move around in the right direction, they don't know which way is up or down, they can't keep their head stable, can't recognise danger, etc.
Spiders suffer from numerous health issues which makes their life likely pain, they ARE comparable.
It's extremely ignorant to say they're suffering from one minor neurological issue, which is just completely wrong.