2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
1 Timothy 4:1,2 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first
Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Just some questions to think about.
Maybe there is enneagram 10 - It is the perfect creation. So pure. People respect this type. They love this with all their heart with all there soul and with all their stregnth. No one can defeat this type.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Shouldn’t we think for ourselves? We should question things like this even if it’s from our pastor. This “tool” is not appropriate for the church. I’m so saddened to see it continually used at sandals. It’s everywhere in 2 sermon series, cultivate, the debrief, and I’m sure more. And We need to get to know people not ask what their number is . I don’t want to learn about “self” I want Gods Word.
Claim: It seems the Enneagram is true. Response: The only reason to believe something is because it is true. The claims made by the Enneagram about the nature of personality and reality are testable and falsifiable. If after testing the claims, no evidence is found to support them and evidence mounts against the claim, then one can conclude it is untrue. Although some repeat the claim it is a useful tool, there is no compelling evidence to bolster any of the central claims of the Enneagram: that the personality types exist, a primary emotional response drives behavior or that it exists at all, likewise that there is a basic desire or need at the foundation of the personality, that the healthy to unhealthy levels of personality exist as described, that personalities are connected to one another and have “wings” or complementary personality types, or that there are levels of integration and disintegration or stress for each personality. These claims are not supported by rational inquiry or scientific evidence and experiment. Assuming it is true, it should be logically consistent, internally coherent, and not self-contradictory. The Enneagram however is full of contradictions and concepts which do not fit together in a way that makes sense to the mind, heart or gut. The vague and confusing nature of the Enneagram is indeed a sign of its falsehood.
Claim: There is a singular emotional response or fear at the basis of each type. Response: This claim assumes that emotions are the basis for personality and motivates all or most of the behaviors of the personality. This assumption is not made on the basis of observation or a person communicating their emotions, but rather inference from behavior. Certain behaviors are assumed to be caused by this one certain emotion. This theory puts all behavior on the foundation of emotion and feeling, and so reduces or eliminates the role or explanatory value of the intellect or will in human behavior. Intellect and will become dependent upon a “core emotion” or fear for explaining their function. Never mind the fact that fear in itself is one of many emotions. Thus, every human person’s identity and source of action is inextricably linked to a subjective feeling which colors everything that they do, think and say. Pure acts of intellect or will, apart from subjective emotions are logically impossible in such a scenario, as everything must be explained through a core fear or emotion. The Enneagram does not teach that this emotion eventually subsides or vanishes, but is pervasive throughout life consistently and is something as innate to a person as their biology. However, emotions by their nature are transitory and passing, and are not persistent enough to form the basis of a personality. The claim that there is a core emotional response runs counter to common sense and experience, and additionally has no empirical validation to support it.
Claim: There is a core desire at the basis of each type. Response: The claim that there is a singular desire or need for each type is based on a false assumption. This assumes that these desires are detectable through behavior, that behavior consistently has a one to one connection with desires in general. The means for detecting that one has one overarching desire is to look at observable behavior. Behaviors occur in relation to other behaviors, and when a person exhibits enough of certain behaviors associated with a type, then that substantiates a belief that a person is a certain type. However, behaviors in themselves are not proof of a causal relationship to a desire, need or even a fear. The problem with that is that behaviors do not always occur as a result of a specific desire in the consistent way described in the Enneagram. A person may very well experience or have the desires associated with a type, and may even have those desires often, but it does not follow that a person is a type because of it, or has a type as the underlying cause of their desires and subsequent actions. Another problem is that the Enneagram has no other way other than desire and related behavior descriptions to identify types. A person may indeed exhibit all the behaviors associated with a particular type and desire, with no connection to that particular desire whatsoever, and even with an admitted contrary desire. Even supposing the claim of core desires to be true, there is nothing to support the assumption that the original Enneagram teachers identified the correct desire or motivation for the types. There are certainly more desires than described in the Enneagram, and for some those desires can seem to be very influential in behavior.
Claim: It seems that the Enneagram is a useful tool. It is a tool for transformation, understanding, self-knowledge, growth, discernment. Response: The Enneagram uses a lot of terms that are undefined, including the term “tool”. In fact, no book or teaching on the Enneagram even attempts to define what is meant by “tool”, but instead depends on the audience for understanding. One must guess the meaning, and assuming “tool” means something for making tasks easier, one should be able to measure how well it makes them easier. If it facilitates discernment, then it must be possible to know and test how it facilitates discernment, or how it does not do so, and to what degree. In order to evaluate the usefulness of a tool, one must measure whether the tool caused a measurable effect on the task at hand or not. The enneagram itself does not measure self-knowledge or discernment, so an external tool must be used to measure these things. External may mean the person undergoing the process of discernment or knowing of oneself, but this is a subjective not an objective view. Self-reporting on one’s subjective feelings about how much change has occurred is not reliable and subject to error, and even self-deception. Understanding and discernment entail the use of reason and judgement, and in order to facilitate that, clear terms, sound judgements and valid conclusions should be abundant. However, the Enneagram has numerous vague concepts, unsound propositions, and invalid conclusions that don’t follow from their premises.
Claim: There are nine distinct personality types. Response: The assumption that the types exist in reality is based on an assumption. This assumption is that visible or detectable behavior is the effect of a cause. The type is a thing which causes behavior, and is the reason for the behavior. The assumption is if you know your type, you know the cause of your behavior, and by deduction the behavior of others. Each behavior corresponds to each type, and so if you detect enough of behaviors that belong to a certain type, the person exhibiting those behaviors has that type, or is that type. The type is reified, that is, the abstract concept of type is made into a real thing with real and independent existence with the power to cause behavior. The nine types are not made by the process of induction from observable behavior, but deductively from a theory of centers of personality in the head, heart and gut in three distinct variations. Supposing the nine types to be true, there is no evidence that there are only 9, and not less or more. The teachers of the Enneagram were fallible human beings and could have gotten the number wrong, among other things.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
1 Timothy 4:1,2 (KJV) Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed
to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1 Thessalonians 2:3 (KJV) Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first
Enneagram 5w6, that combination explained a lot, also my 1 was the same as the 6.
wait, what??
I find this hard because the wise pick their friends yet you meet people who need love but make life exhausting.
This is paganism, this is not the way to God!! you want God, you need to read the WORD OF GOD! THE BIBLE!
Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Just some questions to think about.
Maybe there is enneagram 10 - It is the perfect creation. So pure. People respect this type. They love this with all their heart with all there soul and with all their stregnth. No one can defeat this type.
Even Jung himself admitted there could be "360 types" if we want.
Dude reminds me of Furtick.
Why do you need an enneagram for success? Isn't the Word of God enough.....Paganism is not the way to God the Bible is!!!
Unfortunately we live in a time of the greatest deception mankind has ever seen
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, 4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
Shouldn’t we think for ourselves? We should question things like this even if it’s from our pastor. This “tool” is not appropriate for the church. I’m so saddened to see it continually used at sandals. It’s everywhere in 2 sermon series, cultivate, the debrief, and I’m sure more. And We need to get to know people not ask what their number is . I don’t want to learn about “self” I want Gods Word.
You say you can't love an object? Well the Lord says you can and people do 1 Timothy 6:10 For the LOVE of money is the root of all kinds of evil....
toooooooooooooooooo faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar
I might be dating myself... but could you please tell me whats the song for the series -- Hey Hey Margarette??
Got it... Thanks... Jon Mero
Claim: It seems the Enneagram is true.
Response: The only reason to believe something is because it is true. The claims made by the Enneagram about the nature of personality and reality are testable and falsifiable. If after testing the claims, no evidence is found to support them and evidence mounts against the claim, then one can conclude it is untrue. Although some repeat the claim it is a useful tool, there is no compelling evidence to bolster any of the central claims of the Enneagram: that the personality types exist, a primary emotional response drives behavior or that it exists at all, likewise that there is a basic desire or need at the foundation of the personality, that the healthy to unhealthy levels of personality exist as described, that personalities are connected to one another and have “wings” or complementary personality types, or that there are levels of integration and disintegration or stress for each personality. These claims are not supported by rational inquiry or scientific evidence and experiment. Assuming it is true, it should be logically consistent, internally coherent, and not self-contradictory. The Enneagram however is full of contradictions and concepts which do not fit together in a way that makes sense to the mind, heart or gut. The vague and confusing nature of the Enneagram is indeed a sign of its falsehood.
Claim: There is a singular emotional response or fear at the basis of each type.
Response: This claim assumes that emotions are the basis for personality and motivates all or most of the behaviors of the personality. This assumption is not made on the basis of observation or a person communicating their emotions, but rather inference from behavior. Certain behaviors are assumed to be caused by this one certain emotion. This theory puts all behavior on the foundation of emotion and feeling, and so reduces or eliminates the role or explanatory value of the intellect or will in human behavior. Intellect and will become dependent upon a “core emotion” or fear for explaining their function. Never mind the fact that fear in itself is one of many emotions. Thus, every human person’s identity and source of action is inextricably linked to a subjective feeling which colors everything that they do, think and say. Pure acts of intellect or will, apart from subjective emotions are logically impossible in such a scenario, as everything must be explained through a core fear or emotion. The Enneagram does not teach that this emotion eventually subsides or vanishes, but is pervasive throughout life consistently and is something as innate to a person as their biology. However, emotions by their nature are transitory and passing, and are not persistent enough to form the basis of a personality. The claim that there is a core emotional response runs counter to common sense and experience, and additionally has no empirical validation to support it.
Claim: There is a core desire at the basis of each type.
Response: The claim that there is a singular desire or need for each type is based on a false assumption. This assumes that these desires are detectable through behavior, that behavior consistently has a one to one connection with desires in general. The means for detecting that one has one overarching desire is to look at observable behavior. Behaviors occur in relation to other behaviors, and when a person exhibits enough of certain behaviors associated with a type, then that substantiates a belief that a person is a certain type. However, behaviors in themselves are not proof of a causal relationship to a desire, need or even a fear. The problem with that is that behaviors do not always occur as a result of a specific desire in the consistent way described in the Enneagram. A person may very well experience or have the desires associated with a type, and may even have those desires often, but it does not follow that a person is a type because of it, or has a type as the underlying cause of their desires and subsequent actions. Another problem is that the Enneagram has no other way other than desire and related behavior descriptions to identify types. A person may indeed exhibit all the behaviors associated with a particular type and desire, with no connection to that particular desire whatsoever, and even with an admitted contrary desire. Even supposing the claim of core desires to be true, there is nothing to support the assumption that the original Enneagram teachers identified the correct desire or motivation for the types. There are certainly more desires than described in the Enneagram, and for some those desires can seem to be very influential in behavior.
Claim: It seems that the Enneagram is a useful tool. It is a tool for transformation, understanding, self-knowledge, growth, discernment.
Response: The Enneagram uses a lot of terms that are undefined, including the term “tool”. In fact, no book or teaching on the Enneagram even attempts to define what is meant by “tool”, but instead depends on the audience for understanding. One must guess the meaning, and assuming “tool” means something for making tasks easier, one should be able to measure how well it makes them easier. If it facilitates discernment, then it must be possible to know and test how it facilitates discernment, or how it does not do so, and to what degree. In order to evaluate the usefulness of a tool, one must measure whether the tool caused a measurable effect on the task at hand or not. The enneagram itself does not measure self-knowledge or discernment, so an external tool must be used to measure these things. External may mean the person undergoing the process of discernment or knowing of oneself, but this is a subjective not an objective view. Self-reporting on one’s subjective feelings about how much change has occurred is not reliable and subject to error, and even self-deception. Understanding and discernment entail the use of reason and judgement, and in order to facilitate that, clear terms, sound judgements and valid conclusions should be abundant. However, the Enneagram has numerous vague concepts, unsound propositions, and invalid conclusions that don’t follow from their premises.
Claim: There are nine distinct personality types.
Response: The assumption that the types exist in reality is based on an assumption. This assumption is that visible or detectable behavior is the effect of a cause. The type is a thing which causes behavior, and is the reason for the behavior. The assumption is if you know your type, you know the cause of your behavior, and by deduction the behavior of others. Each behavior corresponds to each type, and so if you detect enough of behaviors that belong to a certain type, the person exhibiting those behaviors has that type, or is that type. The type is reified, that is, the abstract concept of type is made into a real thing with real and independent existence with the power to cause behavior. The nine types are not made by the process of induction from observable behavior, but deductively from a theory of centers of personality in the head, heart and gut in three distinct variations. Supposing the nine types to be true, there is no evidence that there are only 9, and not less or more. The teachers of the Enneagram were fallible human beings and could have gotten the number wrong, among other things.
The enneagram is a symbol, it doesn't make claims, that's what people do, you're personifying.