Yes that's beyond what many owners will understand and frankly they shouldn't need to know that to just charge a car. Many chargers don't show amps and the car doesn't either only KW so the average drive has no idea and couldn't see that if they wanted to. The only way to know is use a bluetooth obd2 reader with an app then monitor the BMS or convert KW to A using the general pack voltage but even that will vary depending on SOC.
This is an excellent point. This is why the adapter should be made part of the charger, not the car!!! It’s dangerous. You don’t bring your own gas nozzle to fill gasoline into a gas car! The nozzle is part of the pump.
Since it's not free to those who took delivery prior to 9/4/24, only a small number compared to the whole will be getting free ones. Kia EV6, EV9 and Niro EV customers who took delivery prior to September 4, 2024, will have the opportunity to purchase an adapter from an authorized Kia dealer at a later date. It's also crazy that EV6/EV9 owners are treated worse than original Ioniq and Hyundai owners. Hyundai's announcement says all will get free adapters regardless of when it was delivered.
Glad you put this video out. I bought my EV9 too long ago to get the free adapter, but now I know not to get one from Kia. Thanks for all the great videos.
@@JPnavarro15 It's only free if you bought your car since Sept -- not free for most of us. For everyone else, Kia is charging over $240 -- more than the Lectron or A2Z adapters that will do 500A.
The problem is that Kia will only extend its warranty if using the Kia adapter. So if you use another adapter and it causes trouble with the charging system, the warranty won’t cover it. It’s really unfortunate.
I am not sure paying for a NACS adapter would prevent the supply problem. GM/Chevy had customers pay the total cost and there were supply issues. That is simply because initially you are going to have more demand as current owners will want one. However, when that demand is met, then it is a matter of keeping up with production. This is always a fine balance with manufacturers. You know what they say about free: it is worth every penny.
Hmmm. Makes me wonder if sister automaker Hyundai will be distributing this same adapter. And it sounds like Kia is limiting those who are eligible to a smaller group of owners than Hyundai. According to the latter, "current and new Hyundai EV owners who have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025 will be able to request a free NACS adapter (shipping included) through the MyHyundai owner portal." They also clarify that the qualified EVs are "Model-year 2024 and earlier KONA Electric, IONIQ hatchback, IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6, 2025 IONIQ 6, 2025 IONIQ 5 N and 2025 KONA Electric." ALL of them!
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyLet us know when you know more. I heard Hyundai was building their own and would be distributing them to all Hyundai EV owners that bought an EV prior to January 2025. Thanks.
@@Crazypostman yes and a big mistake. These 800v cars will max at ~100kw at Superchargers, so moving the ‘25 Ioniq 5 to NACS is going to basically force drivers to either charge woefully slow at most NACS handles, or use an adapter. Be careful what you wish for.
Thank you Tom for providing this insight! I greatly appreciate your dedication to keep your viewers informed. As an EV9 owner if I would have purchased another EV in the future I may not have given a thought about using this adapter on a different vehicle and I consider myself technical and well informed. Certainly the average customer wouldn’t give this any thought. Hopefully at the very least Kia will inform their customers it’s only compatible with their current vehicle but I hope they hear you and make a future version with better specifications. Thank you again.
Another suggestion for putting some sort of gate on the adapters would be, "you have to pick them up at the dealership". Still free but with a minor inconvenience that would make people who don't need one skip it.
I own 2 Teslas, but I have several friends who own other EV's. I think this is great info, and I have enjoyed many of your videos. I am passing on this info, as well as your channel info to my friends. Merry Christmas to you and your family Tom!
Tom is absolutely correct to highlight this concern. I own a model S, EQS 580, and just leased an EV6-GT line for business. Kia is going to give me an adapter for the EV6 and I’ll want to also use it on the MB until receiving the authentic MB adapter. MB has a maximum DC fast charge of about 200kW and a nominal pack voltage of 400. Therefore, there’s a chance it could draw 500 amps and far exceed the Kia 350 amp limit. The scary part is neither the supercharger or EV reports charging amps. 140 kW is my maximum charge power to not exceed 350 A.
I wonder if this will lead to less DCFCs being blocked by people needlessly charging to 100% for free. At least now owners of EVs without bundled free fast charging will have more options with Supercharger adapters. Few things are more frustrating on a road trip than seeing chargers being blocked by DC trickle charging to 100%.
Thanks Tom. Look forward to the official reviews. For us owners of early Niro EVs, will there be any steps to take in order to gain access, like a dealer installed upgrade? And likely manual activation through the Tesla app.
Definitely with you on this Tom. I got the official NACS adapter from GM for our Bolt EUV, but I also use it with our new Nissan Ariya. I had the issue that Nissan didn’t originally anticipate that there would be people who owned more than one EV, so they didn’t initially sell the little plug needed to go between the DC pins. Fortunately whether by me badgering them or just being the plan all along, they now sell it separately.
Code isn't working for the Lectron one. Also why is this adapter $100 more than the reverse CCS1 to NACS one? I'm sure most of the components are the same but I'm not an engineer so. I think these companies are charging more cause it's the new hot thing. While CCS1 to NACS adapters were included in all new Telsa purchases so the demand on them isn't that high. I'm also not sure if I would be using this adapter much cause EA will always be my first choice cause of how fast I could get in and out free or not. I would only use Telsa superchargers as a backup means and never a first.
Hyundai just announced that starting in the first quarter of 2025, current and new Hyundai EV owners who have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025 will be able to request a free NACS adapter (shipping included) through the MyHyundai owner portal.
Hi John, owners that have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025, are eligible. I have a 2024 Ionic 5 I bought in August that is eligible. I should be able to request the adaptor sometime in January through the My Hyundai portal. Regards!
This is really good information as I own a 2024 Hyundai IONIQ5 and have been waiting for access to Tesla superchargers. I already purchased an A2Z Typhoon PRO because I didn’t think Hyundai would provide them for free once available, glad I purchased the A2Z.
Genesis delayed their announcement so let's hope they include a "new and improved luxury spec" model of the NACS adapter to their owners. Hyundai just made their announcement and even OG Ioniqs will be getting in on the adapter action.
@@WolfWizz Those “OG Ioniq 5” owners were supplied portable chargers with their purchase. OG EV6 and EV9 owners did not, we got V2L adapters, so that perhaps is a reason, aside from being autonomous companies, that Hyundai owners will get an adapter and we won’t.
@@JohnCap523Not sure what an OG buyer is. I just picked up my new 2024 SEL AWG Ioniq 5 yesterday. Only the Limited trim comes with any charger. Getting something to add to the charging mix is a good option and the possibility of using an additional network is what helped kick me over edge into the acquisition.
I bet this 350 amp (rated) adapter will actually carry 500 amps just fine and won’t overheat. Definitely looking forward to you trying this at 500 amps.
Thanks, Tom. You mentioned that Hyundai EVs will also have access to the Tesla Supercharger network on January 15th. Any word on Hyundai sending adaptors to their current owners?
I would like to see you pick up a few of the $80 nacs-ccs adapters from aliexpress or temu and see how bad they are. I would assume lower quality and smaller gauge wires then the name brands maybe even lacking proper safety locks and thermal sensors. But maybe this is why Hyundai is just giving away adapter for free, they don't want people to buy these no name adapters and have problems then play the blame game between Tesla, Hyundai and the adapter manufacture.
Hi Tom. Happy Holidays. Do you know when Honda Prologue can accept Nacs charging without the "Blazer EV" loophole? Any word if Honda will be providing an adapter or selling? I just leased a new Prologue..so far very happy.
I have been able to charge my Prologue on a Tesla V3 with the Magic dock with the Tesla app showing Prologue. I haven’t bought an adapter yet as mostly charge at home.
Tom, Thank you for another great video I appreciate how helpful and informative your content is. My wife has a 24 Lexus RX 450 H plus plug-in hybrid, which is amazing And On December 5th we purchased a lightning flash for myself to use as a work vehicle. I have a swimming pool maintenance route and currently drive a 18 Ford F150. I believe this truck will work perfectly for the route and of course on the Ford website the adapter is unavailable and out of stock so based on your recommendation, I will be buying the lectron vortex plug so I am able to use the Tesla supercharging network. We currently have a Nema 1450 plug at home and are able to use the Ford mobile charger that came with the truck. I am also interested in installing a second charger to keep my future options available. We plan on purchasing a Tesla in the future as a third car. We do have 200 amp service so based on your videos, my goal is to get the Tesla universal wall charger connected to a 60 amp breaker that will give us 48 Amps of charging that will charge both vehicles . Is that the charger that you would recommend or do you have a updated better recommendation? I’m not in a big rush because we do currently have the Nema 1450 connected to a 50 amp breaker but I would like to have the best possible fastest most efficient set up at our home thanks again for your channel and all of your great advice. We will also be using Q Merritt as our installer to provide us a great electrician that is trustworthy. I believe that is very valuable advice to guarantee safety of this new technology at our home. Thank You, Royal Nelson
It's about 97kw on both v3 and v4 superchargers. This is the limit of the 400v to 800v converter built into the car. I've charged my GV60 at both v3 and v4 stations and got the same results. Next year Tesla plans to start introducing 800v stations which won't have this limit, but those will be very limited in number for quite a while.
Great information and even for This person that doesn’t fully understand electricity, you’ve made it clear that problems could happen and best practice is not to use it on anything other that the Kia EV9 and EV6. I do have one question, how are non-tesla vehicle owners supposed to know which Tesla DC units are “version 3 and later?”
Great video. As a 2022 Kia Niro EV owner, I’ve been waiting to get the “approved” Kia adaptor for NACS (Tesla). Watching your video, I guess it doesn’t seem worthwhile. I’m now interested in the a2z Typhoon Pro. Would you know if that is usable, or do I have to wait until sometime in January 2025 before it is usable? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Great information I own two 2024 F150 lightnings four 2020 Chevy bolts and this is one of the reasons that I am skeptical about getting into Kia or Hyundai‘s electric vehicles….just not real comfortable with some of these decisions and customer service things that I hear like this! it would not stop me from purchasing a vehicle from them if that’s what I really wanted but at this point as far as adapters go I would definitely want an adapter that will be useful on every electric vehicle I own and that could be quite a few different manufacturers vehicles so thank you very much!
Ugh, I got a feeling that problems like these are gonna persist the next decade or so until all North American EV's goes NACS Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!
Thanks for making this video! I have an EV9 that I got in August but we also got an Ioniq 5 in September. I am excited to get the adapter, not to use tesla chargers but when EA/EVgo/etc start putting in NACS plugs because then I could use either unit when they are busy or broken. I'd rather buy one now and get one that I can use on other EVs.
Your idea is a good one, about a nominal fee to weed out people who are just taking a freebie that they won't use. I have to admit to being one of those people. Got my Ford adapter earlier this year for my Lightning, thinking I would need it for either my Bolt or Lightning. But haven't used it for either yet.
@@2023_GJ agreed. Nothing has been worse for charging than EA and EVGo selling “unlimited all you can charge” plans. Financially incentivizing people to abuse you is not a good play.
Just purchased official Volvo adapter. Will use it soon with my XC40 Recharge. Nice to see “made in USA”. Low cost would have been nice, but I am paying full price. Agree free is not a good idea. 350 A is not enough for many cars, good point. 500 A should be the requirement. This will lead to bad charging experiences, for sure, when device overheats and derates or worse.
Hey Tom, this is a worthwhile video for sure. Curious if you have contacts with Hyundai/KIA Canada about whether free adapters will be available up here? Cheers for all your content!
I’m just speculating here, but is it possible that there is some active circuitry in the adapter that tells the car to optimize its procedures to speed up charging at Tesla Superchargers. Something that would not apply to the Kia non E-GMP cars or anyone else’s car.
Since most people lease EVs or own vehicles less than 4 years it would be prudent to keep the adapter with vehicle for future owners even if you don't need it currently
Hi Tom, the first gen Taycan had a 200kW charging limit option that reduced the Amperage to I think 250A max. It was sold as for the times you don’t need to charge that fast, but the T-Fanboys started the rumours it was only for Battery longevity as charging faster than a Tesla can only mean to destroy the Battery. I think this option is no more on the facelift, as it wasn’t solving any problem but created many more, mostly by people that don’t understand kW, kWh, A and V. 🤷♂️
I seem to recall that the Taycan has an option to charge on DCFC slower, to increase battery life/decrease degradation. But that is the only vehicle that I know of that had an option to slow DCFC.
The 2020-24 Taycan does indeed have this feature. It limits DC charging to 200kW. Porsche removed the feature for MY25, saying their data now shows reducing peak charging to 200kW has little to no impact on battery degradation on the J1 platform.
Fair point @Mildern. I was thinking Kia had made a warranty-at-risk statement like GM had (even though in theory, the manufacturer would have to prove a non-branded adapter caused the damage)
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yep, that's certainly going to cause problems then if it's truly undersized internals. Maybe they just put 350 because that's all a Hyundai/kia would ever pull, but it's really 500 guts. Someone is going to have to sacrifice one and compare the size of the copper bars inside.
it's just a label.... That verifies it can go up to ;at least' 350 amps continuously... it could possibly handle five 500 amps continuously even better than the other adapters? It could be just a liability issue? At this point it's all conjecture. If KIA hasn't already tested it to 500 amps continuously in harsh conditions. Hopefully they will be willing to and take on the additional liability? And temperature doesn't have a one-to-one correlation with amperage....
Tom is it possible that this connector would include “smarts” that only allow the Kia to achieve a “handshake” with the Tesla network? How will Kia/Hyundai roll this out? Through the Tesla app, or like Ford through a company specific app?
Merry Christmas Tom. When items generally purchased are offered free, they are misused. Anyone with a free charging plan should pay a premium to charge beyond 90%. It would free up many DC fast chargers. This adapter should have a $24.95 shipping & handling fee to recent Kia/Hyundai EV buyers.
Thanks for sharing! This is good to know about. I presume you'll be testing the adapter when you get one, and provide a recommendation based on your findings.
Third party scientific verification of the max continuous amp loads for all the adapters, in specific conditions would be great. But I have not seen any kind of testing like that on this channel. And just insightful anecdotal reviews of the adapters. But with no additional testing. Maybe in conjunction with Munro Live? Since they have the expertise, to do that type of testing. (I did see a few channels tear them apart to get an idea of how well they were built)
Right, but no EVs currently do and when they do, they will likely do so for a short period of time. Also 500-a adapters can handle more than 500a for a short period of time, just like these 350-a ones can handle more than 350-a for a short period.
I would need to read the brochure that came with the adapter but if it says it can only be used with a specific Kia or Hyundai, then they did nothing wrong. People who buy something that is not for their vehicle (regardless of what it is) shoulders the risk. Plus, what is going to happen with the 500A adapters you mentioned when next-gen charging stations can deliver MORE than 500A? Won't all of the current adapters be in the same boat?
There are very few EVs that can accept more than 500a and those that can, only do so for a very short period of time which wouldn't be a problem for a 500a adapter.
Can I use an adapter that a I have for my Ariya on the EV9? Is the amps on the Nissan more? This stuff is definitely confusing lol. I don't like to mess around with electricity.
I leased a Niro EV, loved it so much when the lease was up I leased another. Since they aren't giving the adaptor to Niro EVs my next lease won't be a Kia.
Happy to have an alternative to EVGO and EA, even though it's not free. I asked about this with Hyundai Customer Service and suggested they make a deal to transfer our free charging rights from EA to Tesla. I'm tired of having to call Customer Service to get a charger to work right.
You went into detail about what Kia is doing, what about Hyundai? I know from their site that All EV models of Hyundai purchased prior to Jan 31, 2025 will be getting a free adapter, but are we getting the same adapter as Kia? Just wondering if you heard anything yet. BTW: love your content, it is very informative.
I think Kia adapter is rated for a higher capacity say 500A, but they only listed the 350a rating because that what their vehicle supports. Also this may persuade people NOT to selling their equipment on the secondary market.
Would you also PLEASE contact Kia about offering a free adapter for owners of earlier EV6s? I own a 22' and don't qualify for a free adapter because of when I purchased my car. Really cheap on Kia's part, especially considering us early adopters likely helped with the popularity of the EV6. PS: What would be a good email that I could use to email Kia about this? I really feel this is a cheap policy on Kia's part, as Hyundai is offering a free adapter for all early adopters of the Ionic 5.
Ioniq Guy Corbin reported that Hyundai will be sending NACS adapters to ALL US Hyundai EV owners (not just recent buyers). Guessing it's the same adapter? If so, the issues you've raised will be the same
Oops, didn’t quite finish. Now that OEMs are not providing free adapters, you are correct in assuming that people will use one adapter for multiple vehicles and assume they are safe.
This is disappointing both from the safety aspect of things plus them providing very few NACS to CCS adapters and completely forgetting Niro EV drivers. I guess Kia's true colors as a budget brand are shown with this decision. Merry Christmas Tom!
They will, yes. But if you have a Chevy that can charge at over 350-amps (all of the new Ultium-based EVs do) then this Kia adapter will likely shut off while you are charging because your EV pulls more current than it can safely provide.
Speaking of Chevy EVs, could Tom advise on how a 2024 Equinox EV owner can get an “official” NACS/CCS1 adapter? My dealer says they are still backorder, after 6 months😮.
Both CSA & UL have been developing common standards for the last 25 years. Seems strange that CSA would certify an adapter without a common standard that isn’t in unison with UL 2252.
I am still using the original adapter that Ford sent me a while back. I know they said not to use them but when I travel and need a charge I use it. I am disappointed that Ford has not sent my replacement yet. I don't travel that much but come on Ford.
Very valid point Tom. As an EV6 owner I personally couldn’t care less about NACS and if they sent me one, I likely would’ve sold it too and this is a big concern.
There are plenty of adapters for sale on Amazon now that Tesla would never approve for use on its network, yet people buy and use them. I would suspect that Kia's agreement with Tesla would include Tesla approving what Kia sends to its customers, but we don't know that for sure.
When people start to roll this out to support NACS. The government should just provide Tesla some of the fund for rolling out charger to upgrade all their v1 and v2 sites to v4 so it more available for more manufacture. Other charger company cost per charging station is ridiculous more than what Tesla bid for.
I’m afraid that it is a mistake for Kia drivers order a 3rd-party adapter to use with their Kia vehicles. That opens them to liability for problems from either Kia or Tesla should there be a problem using the 3rd-party choice. Both Kia and Tesla only support adapters sourced from the vehicle manufacturer. There is no foreseeable problem using these as designed (for use with Kia vehicles) and should one occur, the user is protected. I’m looking forward to your coverage of the reverse adapter when Kia starts shippping the native NACS plug in their cars very soon.
Actually, no, there should be no issue. If the adapter is built to the standards as outlined by the adapter's guidelines (which as it is now a standard (NACS/CCS/etc) Kia/Hyundai/insert automaker here cannot deny or deflect any warranty claims due to this. This would be like the automaker saying "we won't cover your heating/AC system in your car because you didn't use an OEM filter".
Superchargers can deliver 625A why are all the adapters rated at only 500A. The logic that all adapters should be able to handle all cars not just the car that the adapter was supplied for should apply in this case also. How much current can a Silverado pull?
Most markets around the world have decided to adopt a common plug type that ALL EVs must use in selling their cars. Where I live it's the CCS2 plug. Even Tesla must use this plug. Some older CHADAMO plugs still exist (older Nissan Leafs) but all new Leafs must use the CCS2 plug type. No adapters thus will be needed.
There is literally no way they can do that unless you tell them you were using a non-authorized adapter. There's no way they can tell what you were using
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Well, not true. They only sell those to GM customers and so technically you'd have to have a receipt. Now, how this can be enforced is another question. I know this because I explicitly asked when I got my Lyriq a while ago.
Yes! Jurgen--. Also, do you think the Tesla charging system could supply a record of a GM vehicle using their charger? Bet they could probably even the VIN for the GM vehicle. So, then a warranty claimant has to provide the receipt for the “official” adapter purchase😮
KIA owners who aren't getting a free adapter should wait until the ones who got them for free and are trying to sell them. They should be a lot cheaper than the ones that can handle the higher amps!
Being able to lower DC Fast Charge rate is a poor idea, especially for busy chargers. I can see maybe wanting to do so if you want to take an hour or so for lunch at your DCFC. It's still not a good idea.
You do have a point about Ford shipping them out to all their customers. It was a good idea for them to do that. I don't think they could have charged shipping and handling because no one knew when they were coming out. I ordered mines if not the last day of February. It was the first day of March and I just received it the beginning of December thinking I had it for about 2 and 1/2 maybe 3 weeks in and it's Christmas. So I also have an evse at home and I charge only at all now the adapter it's good to have. I have zero intentions on selling it. I'm going to keep it with the car. I may decide to take a trip later in time to where I can utilize the adapter, but I will say in order to get a charger adapter you had to register for it. As many owners in the EV community with Ford product, some of them didn't order them. Probably didn't know nothing about it. In the beginning I was one that had no clue about it and then I seen it on the page because I read the forms and that's how I found out and I registered that same moment so I completely understand
Honestly, I don’t think anyone should be getting free adapters. At most, maybe those who purchased the vehicle *new* after the manufacturer announced the agreement with Tesla to use the Supercharger network, since it could be argued that agreement was instrumental to their decision to purchase that vehicle. I don’t know why anyone who bought a used vehicle would expect a freebie from the manufacturer, that’s just silly. Giving them away for free means that people who will probably never, ever use it will now have this adapter. Ideally, they would sell or give it to someone who will use it. In many cases, it’ll end up as garbage in a landfill somewhere. Restricting the freebies and making people buy them, even if it’s for something reasonably cheap (like $50) will substantially reduce the number of these that just get round-filed. Vehicle manufacturers building charging equipment that only works on their own vehicles?! _Shocking!_ lol Nobody has ever done that before -like the entire supercharger network- Will be curious to see how this plays out with the Kia (and presumably Hyundai) supplied NACS adapters. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if the adapters had some form of communication to be able to say “I have a 350A limit!” and slow the supercharger down for vehicles that are less than the limits of CCS. The fact that someone could easily be used on a car that pulls more than that, even for extended periods of time, without having the ability for the adapter to communicate its limits, could be an issue. I own an EV9, but bought one of the GM supplied (Tesla) adapters using my brother’s Bolt VIN once it was announced that I wouldn’t get a freebie since I bought mine in January 2024.
Tom, what happens when an AC J3400 to J1772 adapter is used at a DC Fast Charger? BMW recently sent a notice about adapters soon to be introduced and they are the first example I've seen where a mfg. has acknowledged that there will be AC and DC adapters as the US moves to 100% J3400 for home and public charging. This whole move has been a cluster eff. I'm an electrical engineer and I understand that contactors in the car and the DC Fast Charger aren't closed until the coms are negotiated via the protocol; however, since neither the car nor the charger can sense the brand or style of adapter being used, there is a potential to inadvertently mix AC and DC via user error. If my question is unclear, think about all the permutations of right and wrong adapter, the fact that we haven't color coded adapters, and challenge some of the industry folks you talk to, to play out all the worst case scenarios. Tesla's original NACS documentation, haphazard and incomplete as it was, did include an explicit warning that getting the connection wrong and connecting a full pack DC connector to an AC home circuit could result in home appliance failure or fires.
Nothing will happen. The AC adapter doesn’t even physically connect to the big DC voltage pins on the car. The J1772 plug is much smaller than the CCS1 plug, so even without color coding it’s quite obvious which one is which. I’m sure some people are not paying any attention and have tried to use the wrong adapter, fortunately the only consequence is that no charging happens- it doesn’t damage the car, the charger or the adapter. For those clueless people I doubt that color coding would help - we’re not trained to pay attention to the color of an extension cord. On the other hand if someone (Kia for example) makes an adapter with a non-standard amperage limit, then I think color coding would be a VERY good idea.
It doesn't work on AC so nothing will happen. You need an AC adapter for AC charging and one of these for DC charging. That said, I have seen adapters made to charge on both AC and DC, but I won't mention the names because I do not believe they are safe or a good idea to purchase.
@@jamesrea329 I understand it doesn't connect the J3400 HT DC leads to the CCS1 lower DC leads. But what does it connect? That's right. It connect the HT DC leads to the J1772 AC leads input. The car initiates a charge session using the J3400 protocol and neither car nor charger sniffs each others' HT connection to see what is actually connecting. Everything is assumed, not probed. In that case the contactors in the car for DC charging are set, not expecting to have the AC J1772 pins energized with 400-900V (requested by the car). Just because the DC charging pins aren't connected to the CCS1 lower pins, it doesn't mean the car or the charger understands an AC adapter is being incorrectly used. Yet there is nothing physically, nor electronically preventing the incorrect connection nor allowing the car or charger to sense what is being done wrong. Both adapters are dumb, passive adapters passing coms over the same pins. The only saving grace would be contactors NOT connecting J1772 AC pins to the AC onboard car charger. That's a scenario the never needed to be met on CCS1 cars, because those pins were always UNUSED on a CCS1 car during DC charging. Making this even more complicated is the fact that J1772 had a DC charge mode (unused in most/all cases) that DID connect the AC pins instead as DC pins.
The first diagram shown in this video shows the vestigial early designation of DC level 3 charging on the J1772 connector L1L2 pins. Again not implemented on our cars, and vestigial, but only reinforcing that AC L1 L2 pins connection is presumed to be a no-op in DC fast charge condition, so no true expectation that contactors to those pins must keep the circuit open. ruclips.net/video/jZBsOud4O9Q/видео.htmlsi=Gd8z51DddV9nDUFz
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Good luck explaining volts/amps to a customer base who doesn't take their ICE vehicle in for an oil change until the check engine light comes on.
Or when the “Genie Lamp” comes on
@@simplygregsterev thats a new one 😂
Yes that's beyond what many owners will understand and frankly they shouldn't need to know that to just charge a car. Many chargers don't show amps and the car doesn't either only KW so the average drive has no idea and couldn't see that if they wanted to. The only way to know is use a bluetooth obd2 reader with an app then monitor the BMS or convert KW to A using the general pack voltage but even that will vary depending on SOC.
This is an excellent point. This is why the adapter should be made part of the charger, not the car!!! It’s dangerous. You don’t bring your own gas nozzle to fill gasoline into a gas car! The nozzle is part of the pump.
Since it's not free to those who took delivery prior to 9/4/24, only a small number compared to the whole will be getting free ones. Kia EV6, EV9 and Niro EV customers who took delivery prior to September 4, 2024, will have the opportunity to purchase an adapter from an authorized Kia dealer at a later date.
It's also crazy that EV6/EV9 owners are treated worse than original Ioniq and Hyundai owners. Hyundai's announcement says all will get free adapters regardless of when it was delivered.
Tom dropping this bomb on Christmas Eve. Now all their PR people are going to be scurrying. 😂
If they care, that is.
Glad you put this video out. I bought my EV9 too long ago to get the free adapter, but now I know not to get one from Kia. Thanks for all the great videos.
It's free and works perfectly with the EV9 so why not?
@@JPnavarro15 It's only free if you bought your car since Sept -- not free for most of us. For everyone else, Kia is charging over $240 -- more than the Lectron or A2Z adapters that will do 500A.
@@davidnielson9139 gotcha!!! Im lucky lol
The problem is that Kia will only extend its warranty if using the Kia adapter. So if you use another adapter and it causes trouble with the charging system, the warranty won’t cover it. It’s really unfortunate.
I am not sure paying for a NACS adapter would prevent the supply problem. GM/Chevy had customers pay the total cost and there were supply issues. That is simply because initially you are going to have more demand as current owners will want one. However, when that demand is met, then it is a matter of keeping up with production. This is always a fine balance with manufacturers.
You know what they say about free: it is worth every penny.
Hmmm. Makes me wonder if sister automaker Hyundai will be distributing this same adapter. And it sounds like Kia is limiting those who are eligible to a smaller group of owners than Hyundai. According to the latter, "current and new Hyundai EV owners who have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025 will be able to request a free NACS adapter (shipping included) through the MyHyundai owner portal." They also clarify that the qualified EVs are "Model-year 2024 and earlier KONA Electric, IONIQ hatchback, IONIQ 5 and IONIQ 6, 2025 IONIQ 6, 2025 IONIQ 5 N and 2025 KONA Electric." ALL of them!
My guess is it is, but I have reached out to them for confirmation.
@@Yanquetino The U.S. built 2025 ioniq5 That comes with a NACS port. I heard is also going to come with a CCS adapter from the factory.
@@Crazypostman Yes, we already know that.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughneyLet us know when you know more. I heard Hyundai was building their own and would be distributing them to all Hyundai EV owners that bought an EV prior to January 2025. Thanks.
@@Crazypostman yes and a big mistake. These 800v cars will max at ~100kw at Superchargers, so moving the ‘25 Ioniq 5 to NACS is going to basically force drivers to either charge woefully slow at most NACS handles, or use an adapter. Be careful what you wish for.
Thank you Tom for providing this insight! I greatly appreciate your dedication to keep your viewers informed.
As an EV9 owner if I would have purchased another EV in the future I may not have given a thought about using this adapter on a different vehicle and I consider myself technical and well informed. Certainly the average customer wouldn’t give this any thought. Hopefully at the very least Kia will inform their customers it’s only compatible with their current vehicle but I hope they hear you and make a future version with better specifications. Thank you again.
Merry Christmas Tom to you and your family! Looking forward to the New Year with more great videos!
Another suggestion for putting some sort of gate on the adapters would be, "you have to pick them up at the dealership". Still free but with a minor inconvenience that would make people who don't need one skip it.
I own 2 Teslas, but I have several friends who own other EV's. I think this is great info, and I have enjoyed many of your videos. I am passing on this info, as well as your channel info to my friends. Merry Christmas to you and your family Tom!
Tom is absolutely correct to highlight this concern. I own a model S, EQS 580, and just leased an EV6-GT line for business. Kia is going to give me an adapter for the EV6 and I’ll want to also use it on the MB until receiving the authentic MB adapter.
MB has a maximum DC fast charge of about 200kW and a nominal pack voltage of 400. Therefore, there’s a chance it could draw 500 amps and far exceed the Kia 350 amp limit. The scary part is neither the supercharger or EV reports charging amps. 140 kW is my maximum charge power to not exceed 350 A.
KIA needs to have a notice molded into the adapter that states “ For Use With KIA Vehicles Only”
I wonder if this will lead to less DCFCs being blocked by people needlessly charging to 100% for free. At least now owners of EVs without bundled free fast charging will have more options with Supercharger adapters. Few things are more frustrating on a road trip than seeing chargers being blocked by DC trickle charging to 100%.
Thanks Tom. Look forward to the official reviews.
For us owners of early Niro EVs, will there be any steps to take in order to gain access, like a dealer installed upgrade? And likely manual activation through the Tesla app.
I don't know yet but I doubt it would be a dealer installed upgrade.
I agree 100% Tom, spot on as usual. Happy Holidays.
Great video, Thank you.
Merry Christmas to you and your Family as well as a Happy New Year.
Merry Christmas Tom 🎄🎄
Thank you, and to you also.
Definitely with you on this Tom. I got the official NACS adapter from GM for our Bolt EUV, but I also use it with our new Nissan Ariya. I had the issue that Nissan didn’t originally anticipate that there would be people who owned more than one EV, so they didn’t initially sell the little plug needed to go between the DC pins. Fortunately whether by me badgering them or just being the plan all along, they now sell it separately.
Code isn't working for the Lectron one.
Also why is this adapter $100 more than the reverse CCS1 to NACS one? I'm sure most of the components are the same but I'm not an engineer so. I think these companies are charging more cause it's the new hot thing. While CCS1 to NACS adapters were included in all new Telsa purchases so the demand on them isn't that high. I'm also not sure if I would be using this adapter much cause EA will always be my first choice cause of how fast I could get in and out free or not. I would only use Telsa superchargers as a backup means and never a first.
Hmm. They seem to enable and disable it from time to time. It's definitely still active for the A2Z Pro, which is just as good IMO
Hyundai just announced that starting in the first quarter of 2025, current and new Hyundai EV owners who have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025 will be able to request a free NACS adapter (shipping included) through the MyHyundai owner portal.
I know, but we don't know if it's the same adapter. It most likely is, but I don't want to comment until I know
@@RidgeHikerAdventures That would be future Ioniq 6 owners and a few I5 owners who buy leftover ‘24s after January.
Hi John, owners that have purchased or leased their vehicle on or before January 31, 2025, are eligible. I have a 2024 Ionic 5 I bought in August that is eligible. I should be able to request the adaptor sometime in January through the My Hyundai portal. Regards!
@ Okay, I misread that.
Be curious if Hyundai adapter will be the same
This is really good information as I own a 2024 Hyundai IONIQ5 and have been waiting for access to Tesla superchargers. I already purchased an A2Z Typhoon PRO because I didn’t think Hyundai would provide them for free once available, glad I purchased the A2Z.
Genesis delayed their announcement so let's hope they include a "new and improved luxury spec" model of the NACS adapter to their owners. Hyundai just made their announcement and even OG Ioniqs will be getting in on the adapter action.
@@WolfWizz Those “OG Ioniq 5” owners were supplied portable chargers with their purchase. OG EV6 and EV9 owners did not, we got V2L adapters, so that perhaps is a reason, aside from being autonomous companies, that Hyundai owners will get an adapter and we won’t.
@@JohnCap523Not sure what an OG buyer is. I just picked up my new 2024 SEL AWG Ioniq 5 yesterday. Only the Limited trim comes with any charger. Getting something to add to the charging mix is a good option and the possibility of using an additional network is what helped kick me over edge into the acquisition.
@ When you find your car chat can charge at 243 at a 350, can only charge at ~100 at a Supercharger, the luster will be off the pumpkin.
I bet this 350 amp (rated) adapter will actually carry 500 amps just fine and won’t overheat. Definitely looking forward to you trying this at 500 amps.
Thanks, Tom. You mentioned that Hyundai EVs will also have access to the Tesla Supercharger network on January 15th. Any word on Hyundai sending adaptors to their current owners?
Yes, they are
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Will Hyundai have a cut off date similar to Kia, or will they provide adapters to all of their current EV owners?
@@yepitsmememe no
@@yepitsmememe No cut-off date. Adapters for all!
I would like to see you pick up a few of the $80 nacs-ccs adapters from aliexpress or temu and see how bad they are. I would assume lower quality and smaller gauge wires then the name brands maybe even lacking proper safety locks and thermal sensors. But maybe this is why Hyundai is just giving away adapter for free, they don't want people to buy these no name adapters and have problems then play the blame game between Tesla, Hyundai and the adapter manufacture.
Hi Tom. Happy Holidays. Do you know when Honda Prologue can accept Nacs charging without the "Blazer EV" loophole? Any word if Honda will be providing an adapter or selling? I just leased a new Prologue..so far very happy.
No, I don't know the details on Honda's official access. But I see Prologue charging all the time on SCs now...
I have been able to charge my Prologue on a Tesla V3 with the Magic dock with the Tesla app showing Prologue. I haven’t bought an adapter yet as mostly charge at home.
NO adapter should be rated below maximum of NACS/CCS1 ... I'm sorry this is a horrible mistake... it WILL cause issues someday.
Tom, Thank you for another great video I appreciate how helpful and informative your content is. My wife has a 24 Lexus RX 450 H plus plug-in hybrid, which is amazing And On December 5th we purchased a lightning flash for myself to use as a work vehicle. I have a swimming pool maintenance route and currently drive a 18 Ford F150. I believe this truck will work perfectly for the route and of course on the Ford website the adapter is unavailable and out of stock so based on your recommendation, I will be buying the lectron vortex plug so I am able to use the Tesla supercharging network. We currently have a Nema 1450 plug at home and are able to use the Ford mobile charger that came with the truck. I am also interested in installing a second charger to keep my future options available. We plan on purchasing a Tesla in the future as a third car. We do have 200 amp service so based on your videos, my goal is to get the Tesla universal wall charger connected to a 60 amp breaker that will give us 48 Amps of charging that will charge both vehicles . Is that the charger that you would recommend or do you have a updated better recommendation? I’m not in a big rush because we do currently have the Nema 1450 connected to a 50 amp breaker but I would like to have the best possible fastest most efficient set up at our home thanks again for your channel and all of your great advice. We will also be using Q Merritt as our installer to provide us a great electrician that is trustworthy. I believe that is very valuable advice to guarantee safety of this new technology at our home.
Thank You, Royal Nelson
Great info Tom.
Can someone remind me what the EGPM platform peaks at when charging on a V3 Supercharger? Is it 200 kW?
It's about 97kw on both v3 and v4 superchargers. This is the limit of the 400v to 800v converter built into the car. I've charged my GV60 at both v3 and v4 stations and got the same results. Next year Tesla plans to start introducing 800v stations which won't have this limit, but those will be very limited in number for quite a while.
Thanks Tom. They should be marked Hyundai 800 volt products only.
Thank you for this valuable customer/ public safety service
Great information and even for This person that doesn’t fully understand electricity, you’ve made it clear that problems could happen and best practice is not to use it on anything other that the Kia EV9 and EV6.
I do have one question, how are non-tesla vehicle owners supposed to know which Tesla DC units are “version 3 and later?”
Great video. As a 2022 Kia Niro EV owner, I’ve been waiting to get the “approved” Kia adaptor for NACS (Tesla). Watching your video, I guess it doesn’t seem worthwhile. I’m now interested in the a2z Typhoon Pro. Would you know if that is usable, or do I have to wait until sometime in January 2025 before it is usable? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
It will be January 15th when you'll be able to start using Tesla Superchargers with Kias.
Great information I own two 2024 F150 lightnings four 2020 Chevy bolts and this is one of the reasons that I am skeptical about getting into Kia or Hyundai‘s electric vehicles….just not real comfortable with some of these decisions and customer service things that I hear like this! it would not stop me from purchasing a vehicle from them if that’s what I really wanted but at this point as far as adapters go I would definitely want an adapter that will be useful on every electric vehicle I own and that could be quite a few different manufacturers vehicles so thank you very much!
That's a lot of EVs! How do you like the Lightnings?
Ugh, I got a feeling that problems like these are gonna persist the next decade or so until all North American EV's goes NACS
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!
Thanks for making this video! I have an EV9 that I got in August but we also got an Ioniq 5 in September. I am excited to get the adapter, not to use tesla chargers but when EA/EVgo/etc start putting in NACS plugs because then I could use either unit when they are busy or broken. I'd rather buy one now and get one that I can use on other EVs.
Your idea is a good one, about a nominal fee to weed out people who are just taking a freebie that they won't use.
I have to admit to being one of those people. Got my Ford adapter earlier this year for my Lightning, thinking I would need it for either my Bolt or Lightning. But haven't used it for either yet.
A really small amount, even $10 would probably prevent those who really don't want it from asking for one.
@@2023_GJ agreed. Nothing has been worse for charging than EA and EVGo selling “unlimited all you can charge” plans. Financially incentivizing people to abuse you is not a good play.
Just purchased official Volvo adapter. Will use it soon with my XC40
Recharge. Nice to see “made in USA”.
Low cost would have been nice, but I am paying full price. Agree free is not a good idea.
350 A is not enough for many cars, good point. 500 A should be the requirement. This will lead to bad charging experiences, for sure, when device overheats and derates or worse.
Great info as usual Tom. Thanks and Merry Christmas
You're welcome, and Merry Christmas to you too!
Hey Tom, this is a worthwhile video for sure. Curious if you have contacts with Hyundai/KIA Canada about whether free adapters will be available up here? Cheers for all your content!
I don't
The one offered by Nissan is the Tesla adapter. I hope no one has trouble with the Kia one,, as I have a EV6.
I’m just speculating here, but is it possible that there is some active circuitry in the adapter that tells the car to optimize its procedures to speed up charging at Tesla Superchargers. Something that would not apply to the Kia non E-GMP cars or anyone else’s car.
No, it doesn't. It's a "dumb" passive adapter.
Since most people lease EVs or own vehicles less than 4 years it would be prudent to keep the adapter with vehicle for future owners even if you don't need it currently
Hi Tom, the first gen Taycan had a 200kW charging limit option that reduced the Amperage to I think 250A max. It was sold as for the times you don’t need to charge that fast, but the T-Fanboys started the rumours it was only for Battery longevity as charging faster than a Tesla can only mean to destroy the Battery.
I think this option is no more on the facelift, as it wasn’t solving any problem but created many more, mostly by people that don’t understand kW, kWh, A and V. 🤷♂️
Did you say January 15th? Is that the official start date?
Yes
Just purchased official Volvo adapter. Will use jt soon with my XC40
Recharge. Nice to see “made in USA”.
Does GM support third party adapters yet? Or do they still void warranty.?
I seem to recall that the Taycan has an option to charge on DCFC slower, to increase battery life/decrease degradation. But that is the only vehicle that I know of that had an option to slow DCFC.
Yes, but it's not a specific limit I don't think. "Battery care" or something
@@GregMcNamer I don't think any EV can set a specific amperage limit for DC charging, as they can for AC
The 2020-24 Taycan does indeed have this feature. It limits DC charging to 200kW. Porsche removed the feature for MY25, saying their data now shows reducing peak charging to 200kW has little to no impact on battery degradation on the J1 platform.
Whats the point of slowing down fast charging ?
@@moestrei Porsche calls it Battery Care mode. Slower charging is easier on the battery
What's more ridiculous, is making early Kia customers pay $225 for a 350 amp adapter, when other universal adapters are ~$200 for 500 amps
You can buy whichever you like. They aren't making you do anything.
Fair point @Mildern. I was thinking Kia had made a warranty-at-risk statement like GM had (even though in theory, the manufacturer would have to prove a non-branded adapter caused the damage)
Tom, EV3 is 400V. Wouldn't they be affected by the scenario you mention?
It would be good to hear what kind of software updates need to be applied for kia vehicles to use a tesla supercharger (with an adapter)
Software upgrade?? I thought all that was needed is a Tesla app?
The temperature sensors are going to be putting in work! Maybe its a progressive derating instead of just a cutoff.
Cut off
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Yep, that's certainly going to cause problems then if it's truly undersized internals. Maybe they just put 350 because that's all a Hyundai/kia would ever pull, but it's really 500 guts. Someone is going to have to sacrifice one and compare the size of the copper bars inside.
it's just a label.... That verifies it can go up to ;at least' 350 amps continuously... it could possibly handle five 500 amps continuously even better than the other adapters? It could be just a liability issue? At this point it's all conjecture.
If KIA hasn't already tested it to 500 amps continuously in harsh conditions. Hopefully they will be willing to and take on the additional liability?
And temperature doesn't have a one-to-one correlation with amperage....
Tom is it possible that this connector would include “smarts” that only allow the Kia to achieve a “handshake” with the Tesla network? How will Kia/Hyundai roll this out? Through the Tesla app, or like Ford through a company specific app?
Its technically possible, but these don't - and none of the other ones on the market do either.
Merry Christmas Tom.
When items generally purchased are offered free, they are misused. Anyone with a free charging plan should pay a premium to charge beyond 90%. It would free up many DC fast chargers. This adapter should have a $24.95 shipping & handling fee to recent Kia/Hyundai EV buyers.
Thanks for sharing! This is good to know about. I presume you'll be testing the adapter when you get one, and provide a recommendation based on your findings.
Third party scientific verification of the max continuous amp loads for all the adapters, in specific conditions would be great. But I have not seen any kind of testing like that on this channel. And just insightful anecdotal reviews of the adapters. But with no additional testing.
Maybe in conjunction with Munro Live? Since they have the expertise, to do that type of testing. (I did see a few channels tear them apart to get an idea of how well they were built)
350amps is mind boggling. Something like this is not something you build to minimum specifications..
Come to think of it, for 400V cars even the 500A rated adapters could be inadequate for V4 Superchargers, since they can output 615A
Right, but no EVs currently do and when they do, they will likely do so for a short period of time. Also 500-a adapters can handle more than 500a for a short period of time, just like these 350-a ones can handle more than 350-a for a short period.
On the bZ4X/solterra you can lower the AC as well as the DC
I would need to read the brochure that came with the adapter but if it says it can only be used with a specific Kia or Hyundai, then they did nothing wrong. People who buy something that is not for their vehicle (regardless of what it is) shoulders the risk. Plus, what is going to happen with the 500A adapters you mentioned when next-gen charging stations can deliver MORE than 500A? Won't all of the current adapters be in the same boat?
There are very few EVs that can accept more than 500a and those that can, only do so for a very short period of time which wouldn't be a problem for a 500a adapter.
This is simply amazing for me, thank you
Can I use an adapter that a I have for my Ariya on the EV9? Is the amps on the Nissan more? This stuff is definitely confusing lol.
I don't like to mess around with electricity.
Yes, you can. Your adapter is rated for 500-amps, which is what I wish the Kia adapter was rated for.
I leased a Niro EV, loved it so much when the lease was up I leased another. Since they aren't giving the adaptor to Niro EVs my next lease won't be a Kia.
Happy to have an alternative to EVGO and EA, even though it's not free. I asked about this with Hyundai Customer Service and suggested they make a deal to transfer our free charging rights from EA to Tesla. I'm tired of having to call Customer Service to get a charger to work right.
Does the Niro draw more than 350 Amps? That might be why they are excluded.
No. It maxes out at 85 kW, so ~250 amps at most
Niro EV’s draw a maximum of 85 kW
You went into detail about what Kia is doing, what about Hyundai? I know from their site that All EV models of Hyundai purchased prior to Jan 31, 2025 will be getting a free adapter, but are we getting the same adapter as Kia? Just wondering if you heard anything yet. BTW: love your content, it is very informative.
I believe Hyundai is using the same adapter, but I couldn't get clarification. Once I do, I will make a video
I think Kia adapter is rated for a higher capacity say 500A, but they only listed the 350a rating because that what their vehicle supports. Also this may persuade people NOT to selling their equipment on the secondary market.
It's not. I spoke to Kia about it
Would you also PLEASE contact Kia about offering a free adapter for owners of earlier EV6s? I own a 22' and don't qualify for a free adapter because of when I purchased my car. Really cheap on Kia's part, especially considering us early adopters likely helped with the popularity of the EV6.
PS: What would be a good email that I could use to email Kia about this? I really feel this is a cheap policy on Kia's part, as Hyundai is offering a free adapter for all early adopters of the Ionic 5.
This is the real problem I think
We purchase our EV6 in 2022. We love our vehicle. They should have take care of us as well as first generation purchase on the vehicle.
Wonder how many amps Kia EV6/EV9 will pull considering V3 superchargers are not designed to charge a 800V car.
I am concerned about a warranty claim is something happens while using a "better" charger for my EV6...lots to think about
All adapters should be 500A rated for at least 15 minutes in ambient temperature of -40C to 40C
Ioniq Guy Corbin reported that Hyundai will be sending NACS adapters to ALL US Hyundai EV owners (not just recent buyers). Guessing it's the same adapter? If so, the issues you've raised will be the same
I guess also, but I didn't want to brig that into the video until I have confirmation
How much AMPs does a 2023 Chevy Bolt pull?
I think it's 150a
Good points. We didn’t get free adapters from Ford or Cadillac for our EVs and
Oops, didn’t quite finish. Now that OEMs are not providing free adapters, you are correct in assuming that people will use one adapter for multiple vehicles and assume they are safe.
If there are potentially problemes like you explain.
I don't understand how Tesla axepts it.
If I buy an adapter can I use the Tesla network with my 2022 Kia Niro EV?
Yes. After 1/15/25
This is disappointing both from the safety aspect of things plus them providing very few NACS to CCS adapters and completely forgetting Niro EV drivers. I guess Kia's true colors as a budget brand are shown with this decision. Merry Christmas Tom!
Don’t superchargers throttle on temp?
Yes, if the connector overheats
Kia and Hyundai need to send a free adapted to anyone who bought any of their ev's, period.
Can I use a Ford, Kia/Hyundai, or other make adaptors to charge my Chevy?
They will, yes. But if you have a Chevy that can charge at over 350-amps (all of the new Ultium-based EVs do) then this Kia adapter will likely shut off while you are charging because your EV pulls more current than it can safely provide.
Speaking of Chevy EVs, could Tom advise on how a 2024 Equinox EV owner can get an “official” NACS/CCS1 adapter? My dealer says they are still backorder, after 6 months😮.
It's CSA certified to what standard? Is the new UL standard officially released?
No, it isn't compliant with UL 2252. It's CSA safety certified meaning if used properly, it's safe to use.
Both CSA & UL have been developing common standards for the last 25 years. Seems strange that CSA would certify an adapter without a common standard that isn’t in unison with UL 2252.
I am still using the original adapter that Ford sent me a while back. I know they said not to use them but when I travel and need a charge I use it. I am disappointed that Ford has not sent my replacement yet. I don't travel that much but come on Ford.
Were you contacted by Ford that your adapter is in the batch that’s being replaced?
@@stangmatt66 Yes
Not every early adapter was bad. Did you get a message from Ford identifying yours as part of the bad batch?
@@Ewokmeweewok yes
Very valid point Tom. As an EV6 owner I personally couldn’t care less about NACS and if they sent me one, I likely would’ve sold it too and this is a big concern.
A lot of people don't need them John, and end up selling them online.
Welp as a '24 Niro EV owner I already placed my A2Z Typhoon Pro order this morning and they've got a coupon code on the front page.
Doesn't Tesla need to approve a NACS adapter that is not supplied by them?
There are plenty of adapters for sale on Amazon now that Tesla would never approve for use on its network, yet people buy and use them. I would suspect that Kia's agreement with Tesla would include Tesla approving what Kia sends to its customers, but we don't know that for sure.
When people start to roll this out to support NACS. The government should just provide Tesla some of the fund for rolling out charger to upgrade all their v1 and v2 sites to v4 so it more available for more manufacture. Other charger company cost per charging station is ridiculous more than what Tesla bid for.
I’m afraid that it is a mistake for Kia drivers order a 3rd-party adapter to use with their Kia vehicles. That opens them to liability for problems from either Kia or Tesla should there be a problem using the 3rd-party choice. Both Kia and Tesla only support adapters sourced from the vehicle manufacturer. There is no foreseeable problem using these as designed (for use with Kia vehicles) and should one occur, the user is protected. I’m looking forward to your coverage of the reverse adapter when Kia starts shippping the native NACS plug in their cars very soon.
Actually, no, there should be no issue. If the adapter is built to the standards as outlined by the adapter's guidelines (which as it is now a standard (NACS/CCS/etc) Kia/Hyundai/insert automaker here cannot deny or deflect any warranty claims due to this. This would be like the automaker saying "we won't cover your heating/AC system in your car because you didn't use an OEM filter".
Superchargers can deliver 625A why are all the adapters rated at only 500A. The logic that all adapters should be able to handle all cars not just the car that the adapter was supplied for should apply in this case also. How much current can a Silverado pull?
Most markets around the world have decided to adopt a common plug type that ALL EVs must use in selling their cars. Where I live it's the CCS2 plug. Even Tesla must use this plug. Some older CHADAMO plugs still exist (older Nissan Leafs) but all new Leafs must use the CCS2 plug type. No adapters thus will be needed.
Not sure what the problem is. GM voids the warranty if you don't use their adapter anyway...
There is literally no way they can do that unless you tell them you were using a non-authorized adapter. There's no way they can tell what you were using
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Well, not true. They only sell those to GM customers and so technically you'd have to have a receipt. Now, how this can be enforced is another question. I know this because I explicitly asked when I got my Lyriq a while ago.
Yes! Jurgen--. Also, do you think the Tesla charging system could supply a record of a GM vehicle using their charger? Bet they could probably even the VIN for the GM vehicle. So, then a warranty claimant has to provide the receipt for the “official” adapter purchase😮
KIA- WTF are you thinking?? Only offering a 90-day (in the rears) window to get a FREE adapter? I’d be furious. 😡
KIA owners who aren't getting a free adapter should wait until the ones who got them for free and are trying to sell them. They should be a lot cheaper than the ones that can handle the higher amps!
Do you know if Kia will support A2Z?
From what I understand, they will not officially support any adapter other than the one they are shipping.
Being able to lower DC Fast Charge rate is a poor idea, especially for busy chargers. I can see maybe wanting to do so if you want to take an hour or so for lunch at your DCFC. It's still not a good idea.
Agreed
You do have a point about Ford shipping them out to all their customers. It was a good idea for them to do that. I don't think they could have charged shipping and handling because no one knew when they were coming out. I ordered mines if not the last day of February. It was the first day of March and I just received it the beginning of December thinking I had it for about 2 and 1/2 maybe 3 weeks in and it's Christmas. So I also have an evse at home and I charge only at all now the adapter it's good to have. I have zero intentions on selling it. I'm going to keep it with the car. I may decide to take a trip later in time to where I can utilize the adapter, but I will say in order to get a charger adapter you had to register for it. As many owners in the EV community with Ford product, some of them didn't order them. Probably didn't know nothing about it. In the beginning I was one that had no clue about it and then I seen it on the page because I read the forms and that's how I found out and I registered that same moment so I completely understand
Great news! Is January 15th a definite or a speculation?
It has been announced as the official date. Of course, like all announcements it could still change but I don't anticipate it.
That's official
Unfortunately, they do not provide free charger adapters to Canadian consumers yet.
Yeah, I know, I have a 2024 EquiEV in British Columbia. Dealer says the adapter is still backordered after 6 months😮
Honestly, I don’t think anyone should be getting free adapters. At most, maybe those who purchased the vehicle *new* after the manufacturer announced the agreement with Tesla to use the Supercharger network, since it could be argued that agreement was instrumental to their decision to purchase that vehicle. I don’t know why anyone who bought a used vehicle would expect a freebie from the manufacturer, that’s just silly. Giving them away for free means that people who will probably never, ever use it will now have this adapter. Ideally, they would sell or give it to someone who will use it. In many cases, it’ll end up as garbage in a landfill somewhere. Restricting the freebies and making people buy them, even if it’s for something reasonably cheap (like $50) will substantially reduce the number of these that just get round-filed.
Vehicle manufacturers building charging equipment that only works on their own vehicles?! _Shocking!_ lol Nobody has ever done that before -like the entire supercharger network-
Will be curious to see how this plays out with the Kia (and presumably Hyundai) supplied NACS adapters. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if the adapters had some form of communication to be able to say “I have a 350A limit!” and slow the supercharger down for vehicles that are less than the limits of CCS. The fact that someone could easily be used on a car that pulls more than that, even for extended periods of time, without having the ability for the adapter to communicate its limits, could be an issue. I own an EV9, but bought one of the GM supplied (Tesla) adapters using my brother’s Bolt VIN once it was announced that I wouldn’t get a freebie since I bought mine in January 2024.
Tom, what happens when an AC J3400 to J1772 adapter is used at a DC Fast Charger? BMW recently sent a notice about adapters soon to be introduced and they are the first example I've seen where a mfg. has acknowledged that there will be AC and DC adapters as the US moves to 100% J3400 for home and public charging. This whole move has been a cluster eff. I'm an electrical engineer and I understand that contactors in the car and the DC Fast Charger aren't closed until the coms are negotiated via the protocol; however, since neither the car nor the charger can sense the brand or style of adapter being used, there is a potential to inadvertently mix AC and DC via user error. If my question is unclear, think about all the permutations of right and wrong adapter, the fact that we haven't color coded adapters, and challenge some of the industry folks you talk to, to play out all the worst case scenarios.
Tesla's original NACS documentation, haphazard and incomplete as it was, did include an explicit warning that getting the connection wrong and connecting a full pack DC connector to an AC home circuit could result in home appliance failure or fires.
Nothing will happen. The AC adapter doesn’t even physically connect to the big DC voltage pins on the car. The J1772 plug is much smaller than the CCS1 plug, so even without color coding it’s quite obvious which one is which. I’m sure some people are not paying any attention and have tried to use the wrong adapter, fortunately the only consequence is that no charging happens- it doesn’t damage the car, the charger or the adapter. For those clueless people I doubt that color coding would help - we’re not trained to pay attention to the color of an extension cord.
On the other hand if someone (Kia for example) makes an adapter with a non-standard amperage limit, then I think color coding would be a VERY good idea.
It doesn't work on AC so nothing will happen. You need an AC adapter for AC charging and one of these for DC charging. That said, I have seen adapters made to charge on both AC and DC, but I won't mention the names because I do not believe they are safe or a good idea to purchase.
@@jamesrea329 I understand it doesn't connect the J3400 HT DC leads to the CCS1 lower DC leads. But what does it connect? That's right. It connect the HT DC leads to the J1772 AC leads input. The car initiates a charge session using the J3400 protocol and neither car nor charger sniffs each others' HT connection to see what is actually connecting. Everything is assumed, not probed. In that case the contactors in the car for DC charging are set, not expecting to have the AC J1772 pins energized with 400-900V (requested by the car). Just because the DC charging pins aren't connected to the CCS1 lower pins, it doesn't mean the car or the charger understands an AC adapter is being incorrectly used. Yet there is nothing physically, nor electronically preventing the incorrect connection nor allowing the car or charger to sense what is being done wrong. Both adapters are dumb, passive adapters passing coms over the same pins. The only saving grace would be contactors NOT connecting J1772 AC pins to the AC onboard car charger. That's a scenario the never needed to be met on CCS1 cars, because those pins were always UNUSED on a CCS1 car during DC charging.
Making this even more complicated is the fact that J1772 had a DC charge mode (unused in most/all cases) that DID connect the AC pins instead as DC pins.
The first diagram shown in this video shows the vestigial early designation of DC level 3 charging on the J1772 connector L1L2 pins. Again not implemented on our cars, and vestigial, but only reinforcing that AC L1 L2 pins connection is presumed to be a no-op in DC fast charge condition, so no true expectation that contactors to those pins must keep the circuit open.
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