Not only will different gauges make a difference (different amount/thickness of material) but also the differing tension will result in higher/lower action on your guitar, unless you diligently adjust action when you change gauges. Also manufacturers tend to build to a certain gauge in mind, and in fact if you have a lightly braced/built guitar say in the 00 or OM size, it may only be spec'd for lights, and putting mediums on it may be against the manufacturer's recommendation.
Usually todays acoustic guitars use 12s by factory (but look up this for your guitar it can still vary). You can always go for a lighter gauge but I would not reccomend to put heavier strings on it than the factory reccomendations. Doing so can cause the nut to crack or some strings wont even fit the nut anymore properly... But to answer you question yes - heavier strings allow faster picking with a heavy pick... when you re into bluegrass (or surfrock)- tremolopicking. But you get more tension, therefore bends will be harder on heavy strings and vv. Lighter stings allow you to play longer or barre a lot easier and learn with less pain... I used to play heavy strings for a long time but during the last years my hands got weaker and I got more to play... so I switched from heavy to lighter string gauges (I´ve played everything between 16s and 8s.... during the years... but nowdays 10-12s work the best for me, depending on the guitar. )
yup. previously had fender light 80/20. just rigged my guitar with Martin Mediums (12-52) phosphor bronze. Way too much tension on the top, restricting harmonics (which create a fuller sound). ended up with a lot of fizz from the string, not converting to true tone. also almost unplayable from fret 7 up.... would need to adjust truss rod. basically, overstrung. I know this sound and result from years playing violin professionally.... will be different for each guitar though. have to listen and feel the difference.
I have a OM 21 Martin 1993model and i have never tried 13’s. 12 yes. Do you think it can handle it? Although the factory recommended use of medium or lighter strings.
It's been my experience after over 30+ years of suffering from what I call Obsessive-Compulsive Hyper-Critical Guitar String-Blaming Disorder (OCHCGSBD) that it indeed comes down to Phosphor/Bronze and 80/20. In general, Phosphor/Bronze strings can be considered the "Great Equalizers". On a "modest" guitar (less than $1,000) the Phosphor/Bronze can work wonders at helping the instrument sound pleasing. They have a generic sound that can cover over a cheaper guitar's imperfections. Also, it is very true that they last longer than 80/20s. It's when you get up into the high-end of the acoustic guitar world that the 80/20's begin to make more sense. The 80/20s, short-lived though they are, are the strings that make a Martin, a Gibson, an old Westerly Guild F50r, sound completely unlike each other; and completely like themselves. In short, if you want to hear what your guitar really sounds like, use 80/20s.
Really? I thought the opposite... On my experience, i would say that, since cheaper guitars (On the very cheap end) tend to use low quality tonewoods, they tend to sound duller, and i would actually think that the 80/20's would do marvels with those since you need to balance out the lack of brightness of the instrument... On the opposite, a higher quality tonewood instrument, would sound more present on the top end and would require a warmer string or simply, since it's a higher quality guitar, could simply use any type of string... but your opinion really interested me... With a very cheap guitar do you recommend a phosphor string? (On a 50 buck random plywood top guitar) Greetings from Mexico sir.
@@javierdiazsantanaI have a very warm guitar with solid mahogany back and sides and it ONLY sounds good with 80/20's, ... These strings brought it to life.. before it sounded like in water...now its clear
I have exactly same experience, Phosphor Bronze strings can diminish guitars characteristic, meanwhile 80/20 usually compliment natural sound of the guitar
In my experience 80/20 is better for the singer/songwriter genre. They produce a bright and crisp sound, great for strumming chords. Phosphor Bronze is better for the instrumental genre. They produce a warm and dark tone, great for finger style playing.
I find it opposite really! I think that generally PB strings make a shitty Guitar sound better but have a ceiling while the 80/20 is going to make a shitty guitar show why it is $300 and will equally show why your $8000 is such. If you want to know how good your Luthier is put 80/20's on it.
Well I've always used Pb's but no more after this- the 80/20's just sing, the Pb's sound stilted and not nearly as full. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
For me the 80/20 were miles ahead.The Phosphor Bronze have a vague airy midrange that I suppose some might love...for me it just feels like something is missing everytime I hear them.Fantastic playing on a fantastic guitar.Nice one.
Yeah but with singing? 80/20s have a little mid scoop that supports backcamp of vocalist. Sometimes adding mid scoop to mid scoop on a rosewood guitar can be a little bit much though... Depending on the guitar. 80/20s also need less EQ to sit in a mix.
They both sound very good, naturally the 80/20 is way brighter and the phosphor warmer and fuller. I have an 80/20 set now and i think the next i will put on will be a phosphor. And of course is all in the taste of each person, if you play purely acoustic, no amplification, and you need to cut through, use 80/20. If you don't need that much cut and you need a warmer sound, get the phosphor. Also the instrument's voice is key in deciding which strings you will use. For dark instruments the 80/20's can do miracles, and for brighter guitars, you can pretty much balance it out with the phosphor strings. Great vid man, thank you.
Thanks for the great song selection and playing. I've been using phosphor bronze forever. I like the sound of the 80 / 20s in your demo and will be trying them out on my D-35. Thanks!
Thank you for going through the hard work of changing strings just for this video. I hate wasting strings, so I appreciate taking time and effort just to do this video!
Well, I just put some 80/20's on my guitar and really didn't care for the sound at all. After listening to this incredibly well done comparison it's clear as can be that I'll never buy 80/20's again. The 80/20's IMO were louder and brighter but lack the wonderful harmonics of the PB's. It's like the difference between glass and crystal. The PB's had beautiful string to string balance and work well as a set while with the 80/20's each string seems to be trying to out do each other. Thanks for making my string buying decisions a mute point! Also, that is some beautiful playing sir.
Thank you! I have a full band version from a few years ago. Completely instrumental though and I'm playing mostly the same guitar parts except for where the vibraphone is covering the melody. ruclips.net/video/jw2l1JmsQd0/видео.html
I think it really depends mostly on what kind of style and tone you are trying to go for me personally as a finger picker I use phosphor bronze strings all the time because I feel like they sound more balanced and warm sounding whereas the 80/20 string sound more punchier which is kind of nice if you are a flat picker I feel like the highs are also more crisp and clear on the 80/20 but for me I don't want my eyes to be outstanding so I stick with the phosphor bronze strings
Looking at the comments, it just goes to show that both of these sets of strings sounded fantastic and I I think the only thing that divides them Is personal preference in the end.
Generally speaking I prefer phosphor bronze, but once in a while I’ll throw 80/20 on my hummingbird just to get a brighter sound. Then I always go back to the PBs. I just like the warmer sound they give better. Nice video by the way!
I ordered heavy phosphorous strings. My guitar sound like the string are medium 80/20. I think the guitar itself resonates lighter tones so it higher pitchy which isn't bad for my voice is can go high something about the sound undertones here represent sound I like and prefer. Which undertones at least in my thoughts i like the controlled tone without the high undertones. I can't so much explain it. With the right terminology but this just gave me reassure in my decision and why I went in that direction. Not by no means am I guitar player. I just play for the joy of making music.
I go with 80/20 but I play Martin D15 guitars which are mahogany and rather dark. I think brighter strings work better on darker guitars. Informative video. Also, great playing!
This actually makes perfect sense. I almost always use PB. They tend to really mimic the actual tone woods better. BUT I just got a DREAM guitar, this 1972 Hofner 496 Jumbo - so rare id never even seen one before except online in old catalogs, and frankly it’s VERY dark sounding. So for the first time I’m going to try 80/20s just to try to brighten it up a bit... We’ll see how it goes...
Good comparison ... appreciate the effort to make it "apples to apples". And it's always great to hear someone half my age playing some Pink Floyd! I use phosphor/bronze on my smaller bodied guitar to "thicken" the sound, but prefer 80/20 on dreads so they're not so boomy.
Those 80/20 lights will make a dreadnaught come to life with mid brightness without losing bass . Can get a very good blues / rock sound out of them too .
I think the 80/20's suited this martin more initially but after playing for a while your ears might get annoyed with the sparkle. I prefer the PB's on my 000. Like horses for courses, most guitars have a string material, gage and brand that suits them :)
Totally agree. Like with open tunings. It might take me a day or two of really intense emotional meddling to figure out what tuning a guitar wants to be in when I get a new one (used, but new to me). But when it finally lands, you can definitely hear and feel it. THATS the tuning that guitar wants to be in. Same with strings I think.
to me the 80/20s sound a lot clearer and less "muddy", but all up to personal preference I guess also certain strings definitely work better for certain types of playing/songs
Definitely. I think for people strumming hard, the 80/20 might be a better fit. I personally like the Phosphor Bronze because I pick pretty lightly and I feel like I get more body out of them.
For my ear, I hear so much clarity on the 80/20. I’ve been playing phosphor bronze for as long as I can remember, and side by side, the brightness I might have heard before now sounds kind of fizzy or white noise sounding to me. I think I’m going to switch to 80/20! Great video, thanks for all the time it took to make this! ✌️😌✨
80/20 sounds brighter and I like it. Phosphor bronze sounds slightly muddy compared to it. Btw this is an amazing comparison and I really like that the comparison was done without any other variables. I also like that you put short phases of them one by one. This helped me notice the differences.
Thank you for creating the best 80/20 vs. Phosphor comparison video I have seen. I have always been partial to 80/20. I think after this video, my feelings have not changed. Phosphors sound tinny/chimey to my ear, whereas 80/20s have a richer deeper sound that I love.
I've literally been using the 80/20 bronze for 2 years now and I haven't changed, I wanted the low-end to sound better cause I want more bass in my acoustic and now I think Phosphor Bronze is way better for low-end! Thanks a lot, this helped me so much! 😄👌
I thought I was going to prefer the 80/20 on a dreadnought for the additional brightness, but after listening, I believe that the phosphor bronze strings *play* to a big box guitar's strengths at least for this situation.
@@AlexPriceMusician It remains 'difficult'. When you use the guitar in a band setting and want it to cut through the mix I would surely go for 80/20's. When you want delicate sounds as a solo instrument, possibly the phosphor bronze are a better choice.
So, it depends: If you play purely acoustic, even with other instruments, have a dark or budget guitar, want a bright sound or stuff, you might wanna try the 80/20's, at the other side, if you have a brighter guitar, want a warmer tone or play plugged, the phosphors... Greetings man. Thanks for making the vid.
Alex! Your content in this video is just awesome. Extremely precise. Apart from the comparison, your skill was more dominant. Thanks for sharing. You got a subscriber. 🍻
Superb playing. Surprised how close they were but the PH/BR won the day with to my ear a rounder, even balance. My fav guys all use these as do I with my D 18 and electrics. Just today a 3 pack of the XS coated 80/20 showed up. I look forward trying them out for the 1st time. Thanks
Thanks for the great video. 13's - pretty beefy strings to a lot of players, but I like the choice. I wonder how the comparison holds up as you go to lighter strings. Both sounded good on my mediocre computer speakers. I might give the edge to the 80-20 for strumming and to the phosphor/bronze for the finger picking (beautifully done btw), but purely personal preference, could feel differently on a different day.
I would love to see a hybrid of the two where the half of the strings closer to the headstock is the darker Phosphor Bronze, and then where the picking happens at the soundhole on the upper half of the strings would be 80/20 Bronze. The brighter nature of the 80/20 is great for the picking attack, but since it's brighter you really hear more unpleasant finger noise from position-shifts of the fretting fingers. On the darker Phosphors, you get a more moderate and pleasant version of that finger noise.
Very interesting and surprising - the Pb strings certainly sounded far less dynamic and slightly dull compared to copper. EXCELLENT demo with so many demos that were continuous without breaks for narration. Definite bell ringing time if this is the standard of your uploads.
Awesome video man! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The other few videos I watched described the differences before I found this one. Much appreciated!
Excellent playing. Differences best heard in the later playing, Day in the Life, Yesterday, not so in the strumming. Not enough to make me change from 80/20's. I play Elixir Light 12-53, they're a bit expensive but nice sound and seem to last longer. Thanks for making this video.
Wow huge difference, not that noticeable until strumming. Great well made video, thanks so much for making. Helped me a lot with making a choice. Cheers
I'm a drummer. Sorry to crash your party. No pun intended but very pertinent. The phosphor bronze is, I believe, the B8 bronze that is in most beginner cymbals that most serious drummers would call junk...except for the Paiste 2002 series. They have less highs which is typical for b8 bronze but they are well made and sound great. Very controlled and consistent. Not very durable, though. Most pro cymbals are 80/20 bell bronze (Some people say 'Bell Brass.' It's not brass.) which has nice high frequency response and more sustain and volume. I see the similarities in these strings but the phosphor bronze (b8) strings have a rich warmth and comexity. The 80/20 strings have nicer highs but lack the warmth. It would be nice if there was a mix of the two types of strings so you could get the shimmer of the 80/20's and the complexity of the phosphor bronze. Just my 2 cents. Now you guys know if you see a drummer show up to an audition with b8 cymbals (Sabían B8's, Zildjian ZHT's...if they look like Copper) he probably isn't that serious or serious about sounding his best at your audition. Ask him what cymbals he gigs with. B8's? "Next!"
Ghs Americana sound like a mix. Closest thing. They're PBS but are Cryo treated and for some reason the end product is a long lasting, brighter without jangly, more fudemental PB. Closest PB to a 80/20 I've heard while still have the PB benefits and great life.
I'm sticking with 80/20. I don't mind replacing them often, as I play 6 to 8 hours a day, and longer on weekends. The corrosion isn't an issue with frequent strings changes as they wear out and sound dead or break before corrosion is an issue. I prefer the crispness and less mids for my particular main acoustic (Yamaha FG5, great Japanese made guitar that I snagged for 1250 after asking for a best price quote from my sweetwater rep.) I didn't have a local shop that I could get one from.
First of all if your looking for strictly country, the silk/steel or gypsy jazz set is what your looking for. If your looking to make the blues you need unparalleled tones to communicate better. The phosphor is protected string, that actually sounds pretty average when it comes to strings
Great comparison! But to be fully meaningful one should have the same comparison not just with fresh strings, but also one day, one week, one month and three month on. I believe that that would change the picture radically.
Very nice video-thank you very much indeed, Sir. *sorry for my English grammar. I really loves Ray & Dave Davies (Kinks & I only use two types of strings : the 80/20 (Martin Originals made in Mexico) & the quiet underrated Aluminium Bronze from the Ernie Ball U.S.A. with my trusty guitar 2005 Korean Epiphone EJ-160E
I like the honesty, well done fella ! No bullshit just a straight forward informative vid, the layout to it is really good, making it easy to compare, I found both have positives in certain area's over each other, I guess its what suits the style of music one plays, or song, in a perfect world we'd have two guitars, PB & 80/20 😊, probably the 80\20s for what I play most of, difficult tho' .... cheers, great job done !
Thanks for the test. 80/20 all the way. Very nice playing, guitar sounds great. Makes me happy to see a young man putting proper.13 medium gauge on that Martin. I see young people putting .11s on martin dreads. Now cut the stings at the tuning pegs and we will be all set.
Hard to tell in this video, even with headphones. But, I've used 80/20 on 5 guitars and they all seem to do well with them. 13's are too heavy though, dude! Relax. Go down to 11's and you'll get the most out of the mids and highs.
Great demo! I like them both. I think while the PBs are bigger and fuller sounding, some time just sound way better on 89/20s. They're a little less stringy on the high end. I use both. I have my '76 Guild strung with 80/20s (currently caught between light Martin M140s and D'addario mediums) and my '87 Taylor with medium D'addario PBs. That way I can get that vibey early 70s acoustic tone, especially in open tunings a la Stephen Stills or Neil Young and a much bigger acoustic tone that works for everything else.
Which is better - an apple or an orange? Both these string types are great in certain contexts. I've played both many times over many years, and like both. Sometimes. You demo them very well, but honestly I can't hear much difference on RUclips even with good earphones, but I can hear the difference in life. Sure, the phosphors are a shade warmer, but I don't always want that. And so on. Thanks a lot.
I came to hear the difference between the 2, but was lost in your tunes. Well played man. Also, the 80/20s sounded much better to my ears than the PBs (which were a little dull on the highs). I have an F310 (dread), which already has good lows, and using the 80/20s on it will make the sound more balanced. Thanks for the comparison btw.
Beauty is in the ear of the be hearer . To each his own I prefers the warmer sound of phosphorus bronze . Having said I would be happy to add an 80/20 guitar to my collection the clean sound is good for finger picking
Excellent demo no gimmicks or twatiness, great guitar playing, for me it's the phospher bronze (which coincidentally l have just bought a set) richer fuller sound. Thanks
I prefer Phospor bronze... i mostly play 12s and a lot of Folk, Blues and Bluegrass... You get a nice woody a little mellow but warm sound. The 80/20 I haven't used a while but I bought sometime back a tripple pack of them and put them on... Well it's not my sound... :D You can hear the tones much clearer and sharper.... it's more metallic-bright sounding. But I prefer mostly phospor-bronze - they have more low end and better tonal voicings.
I'm gonna add it up! If you live in humid (wet) climate (like Northern-Europe - for me) where it's raining a lot. Then Phosphor Bronze will also last longer. Just keep a soft wool-cloth handy with your guitar and wipe the strings before and after you start playing. It will also keep better tone on 80/20 because they will even corrode more over time, PB corrodes less - I had one set for a year and they were still in good tonal shape while the other 80/20 I would change atleast every 6 months. So by this I can tell that the PB is also an cheaper option for the long run unless you break a string xD.
need to know the woods of the guitar. My Tak 740 fs is cedar with mahogany - all solid. Natural sound is already warm and projecting, so phos/bronze string accentuate the warmth and project of the mids where this guitar is already strong, so not the best. The bronze strings bring a brightness to the overall sound and lets the natural sound of this guitar come through. So what I'm saying is - use these demos as guideline but you really need to try various string types and gauges to find the ONE for your guitar. BTW - well done demo - let the sound do the talking.
I think if you had a cedar top guitar 80/20 will help the clarity while still giving warmth. PB on a cedar may be way too dark and could get a bit muddy!
Good demo, thanks. On this guitar the 80/20's sound more pleasing at first but actually the phosphors have this mix ready eq:d sound that brings out both the sparkle and bark of the guitar.
if I close my eyes I cannot hear any difference on my Mackie HR824 Studio monitors but I have to say that on My Martin OM28(smaller body ) the Phos/Bronze are a lot brighter and richer with harmonics especially past the 7th frets...while the 80/20 are more balanced and a lot softer and mellower but last a lot longer...Cheers
Would be interested to hear a comparison of the strings a couple of months in! I actually really like the tone of 80/20 strings after they “die”, which is after a week or two if you play a lot! And, realistically, most guitarists are not changing their strings 20 times a year! So string comparisons which focus on "fresh" strings somewhat miss the point for 99% of players to my mind. I love 80/20s after a week or so, whereas phosphor I like a lot less, personally, at least, whenever I go back to them anyway. But yeah 80/20s in that first couple of days or week can be unbelievably zingy! That's not the tone you'll be living with though
Very interesting. I liked the BP on the lower strings and the 80/20s on the high strings. Do people ever mix two different kinds of strings on the same guitar? Would they still resonate with each other as well as strings that are all the same type?
I believe that the unwound B and E strings are actually the same from both sets. It’s common in the violin world to mix strings from different sets, I’m sure some guitarists do it also
@@AlexPriceMusician Yes, that is very interesting. I'm really not sure how the high E and B strings can sound different, but I do hear a difference. Maybe it's how the other strings resonate with them? Do they sound different to you while playing?
For me listening through very transparent headphones the 80/20 bronze are a more detailed brighter sound and the phosphor bronze are less detailed but warmer sound. I like 80/20 myself as I like the brighter sound and when they get older and lose their shimmer they sound more like phosphor bronze. Great work in doing the comparison. 😀
The best comparison 😊...it really depends on the guitar. On a new D28 I like the 80/20s - the rosewood isn't too much in overtones. But on a D18 I like PBs more. And 0.13s are the best sounding on a Dread - even in fingerstyle :)
Does String Gauge on Acoustic Make a Difference? 10's vs. 13's:
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I would keep the same string gauge as the original on the guitar
Not only will different gauges make a difference (different amount/thickness of material) but also the differing tension will result in higher/lower action on your guitar, unless you diligently adjust action when you change gauges. Also manufacturers tend to build to a certain gauge in mind, and in fact if you have a lightly braced/built guitar say in the 00 or OM size, it may only be spec'd for lights, and putting mediums on it may be against the manufacturer's recommendation.
Usually todays acoustic guitars use 12s by factory (but look up this for your guitar it can still vary). You can always go for a lighter gauge but I would not reccomend to put heavier strings on it than the factory reccomendations. Doing so can cause the nut to crack or some strings wont even fit the nut anymore properly... But to answer you question yes - heavier strings allow faster picking with a heavy pick... when you re into bluegrass (or surfrock)- tremolopicking. But you get more tension, therefore bends will be harder on heavy strings and vv. Lighter stings allow you to play longer or barre a lot easier and learn with less pain... I used to play heavy strings for a long time but during the last years my hands got weaker and I got more to play... so I switched from heavy to lighter string gauges (I´ve played everything between 16s and 8s.... during the years... but nowdays 10-12s work the best for me, depending on the guitar. )
yup. previously had fender light 80/20. just rigged my guitar with Martin Mediums (12-52) phosphor bronze. Way too much tension on the top, restricting harmonics (which create a fuller sound). ended up with a lot of fizz from the string, not converting to true tone. also almost unplayable from fret 7 up.... would need to adjust truss rod. basically, overstrung. I know this sound and result from years playing violin professionally.... will be different for each guitar though. have to listen and feel the difference.
I have a OM 21 Martin 1993model and i have never tried 13’s. 12 yes. Do you think it can handle it? Although the factory recommended use of medium or lighter strings.
It's been my experience after over 30+ years of suffering from what I call Obsessive-Compulsive Hyper-Critical Guitar String-Blaming Disorder (OCHCGSBD) that it indeed comes down to Phosphor/Bronze and 80/20. In general, Phosphor/Bronze strings can be considered the "Great Equalizers". On a "modest" guitar (less than $1,000) the Phosphor/Bronze can work wonders at helping the instrument sound pleasing. They have a generic sound that can cover over a cheaper guitar's imperfections. Also, it is very true that they last longer than 80/20s. It's when you get up into the high-end of the acoustic guitar world that the 80/20's begin to make more sense. The 80/20s, short-lived though they are, are the strings that make a Martin, a Gibson, an old Westerly Guild F50r, sound completely unlike each other; and completely like themselves. In short, if you want to hear what your guitar really sounds like, use 80/20s.
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Really? I thought the opposite... On my experience, i would say that, since cheaper guitars (On the very cheap end) tend to use low quality tonewoods, they tend to sound duller, and i would actually think that the 80/20's would do marvels with those since you need to balance out the lack of brightness of the instrument... On the opposite, a higher quality tonewood instrument, would sound more present on the top end and would require a warmer string or simply, since it's a higher quality guitar, could simply use any type of string... but your opinion really interested me... With a very cheap guitar do you recommend a phosphor string? (On a 50 buck random plywood top guitar) Greetings from Mexico sir.
@@javierdiazsantanaI have a very warm guitar with solid mahogany back and sides and it ONLY sounds good with 80/20's, ... These strings brought it to life.. before it sounded like in water...now its clear
@@lukasbernsen3824 Hell yeah! I got an 80/20 set to put on a new acoustic that i paid 37 dollars for... Hope the bridge won't pop.
I have exactly same experience, Phosphor Bronze strings can diminish guitars characteristic, meanwhile 80/20 usually compliment natural sound of the guitar
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In my experience 80/20 is better for the singer/songwriter genre. They produce a bright and crisp sound, great for strumming chords. Phosphor Bronze is better for the instrumental genre. They produce a warm and dark tone, great for finger style playing.
@Milwaukee Matzen to me they sound a little too thin for finger style. I enjoy the dark, full tone of phosphor bronze for that.
Even I agree that 80/20 are better in terms of fingerstyle
And good for strumming singing as well
I find it opposite really! I think that generally PB strings make a shitty Guitar sound better but have a ceiling while the 80/20 is going to make a shitty guitar show why it is $300 and will equally show why your $8000 is such. If you want to know how good your Luthier is put 80/20's on it.
@@thenakedbootleggers it’s personal preference. That’s just how my ears hear it. I think 80/20s are more versatile overall though.
best 80/20 vs phosphor comparison video on youtube. Thanks man - we really appreciate your time and effort!!
Glad it was helpful!
Well I've always used Pb's but no more after this- the 80/20's just sing, the Pb's sound stilted and not nearly as full. Thank you for taking the time to do this!
For me the 80/20 were miles ahead.The Phosphor Bronze have a vague airy midrange that I suppose some might love...for me it just feels like something is missing everytime I hear them.Fantastic playing on a fantastic guitar.Nice one.
Thanks for your thoughts!
I like phosphor bronze more... The sound is deeper, middle sound range is better and it's not too loud at high tone.
Yeah but with singing? 80/20s have a little mid scoop that supports backcamp of vocalist. Sometimes adding mid scoop to mid scoop on a rosewood guitar can be a little bit much though... Depending on the guitar. 80/20s also need less EQ to sit in a mix.
They both sound very good, naturally the 80/20 is way brighter and the phosphor warmer and fuller. I have an 80/20 set now and i think the next i will put on will be a phosphor. And of course is all in the taste of each person, if you play purely acoustic, no amplification, and you need to cut through, use 80/20. If you don't need that much cut and you need a warmer sound, get the phosphor. Also the instrument's voice is key in deciding which strings you will use. For dark instruments the 80/20's can do miracles, and for brighter guitars, you can pretty much balance it out with the phosphor strings. Great vid man, thank you.
Thanks for the great song selection and playing. I've been using phosphor bronze forever. I like the sound of the 80 / 20s in your demo and will be trying them out on my D-35. Thanks!
Thank you for going through the hard work of changing strings just for this video. I hate wasting strings, so I appreciate taking time and effort just to do this video!
Well, I just put some 80/20's on my guitar and really didn't care for the sound at all. After listening to this incredibly well done comparison it's clear as can be that I'll never buy 80/20's again. The 80/20's IMO were louder and brighter but lack the wonderful harmonics of the PB's. It's like the difference between glass and crystal. The PB's had beautiful string to string balance and work well as a set while with the 80/20's each string seems to be trying to out do each other. Thanks for making my string buying decisions a mute point! Also, that is some beautiful playing sir.
Thank you Pete! I appreciate it, and I’m glad that the video was helpful
It really depends on the guitar
Your take on comfortably numb is brilliant mate 👍🏻. Love to see a full video of that.
Thank you! I have a full band version from a few years ago. Completely instrumental though and I'm playing mostly the same guitar parts except for where the vibraphone is covering the melody.
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I think it really depends mostly on what kind of style and tone you are trying to go for me personally as a finger picker I use phosphor bronze strings all the time because I feel like they sound more balanced and warm sounding whereas the 80/20 string sound more punchier which is kind of nice if you are a flat picker I feel like the highs are also more crisp and clear on the 80/20 but for me I don't want my eyes to be outstanding so I stick with the phosphor bronze strings
I agree 100%. Thanks for your thoughts Dakota
Looking at the comments, it just goes to show that both of these sets of strings sounded fantastic and I I think the only thing that divides them Is personal preference in the end.
Could not agree more. The guitar itself also plays a huge role. On one instrument, the 80/20 set might sound awful - on another, it’s perfect.
Generally speaking I prefer phosphor bronze, but once in a while I’ll throw 80/20 on my hummingbird just to get a brighter sound. Then I always go back to the PBs. I just like the warmer sound they give better. Nice video by the way!
I ordered heavy phosphorous strings. My guitar sound like the string are medium 80/20. I think the guitar itself resonates lighter tones so it higher pitchy which isn't bad for my voice is can go high something about the sound undertones here represent sound I like and prefer. Which undertones at least in my thoughts i like the controlled tone without the high undertones. I can't so much explain it. With the right terminology but this just gave me reassure in my decision and why I went in that direction. Not by no means am I guitar player. I just play for the joy of making music.
Excellent job man, simple, basic, and totally lets one understand the difference.
This was a public service you did here thanks man going with the 80/20
Glad it was helpful!
I go with 80/20 but I play Martin D15 guitars which are mahogany and rather dark. I think brighter strings work better on darker guitars. Informative video. Also, great playing!
Thanks for your thoughts Dan!
This actually makes perfect sense. I almost always use PB. They tend to really mimic the actual tone woods better. BUT I just got a DREAM guitar, this 1972 Hofner 496 Jumbo - so rare id never even seen one before except online in old catalogs, and frankly it’s VERY dark sounding. So for the first time I’m going to try 80/20s just to try to brighten it up a bit... We’ll see how it goes...
Good comparison ... appreciate the effort to make it "apples to apples". And it's always great to hear someone half my age playing some Pink Floyd! I use phosphor/bronze on my smaller bodied guitar to "thicken" the sound, but prefer 80/20 on dreads so they're not so boomy.
Thanks Richard! Glad it was helpful
Beautiful rendition of a day in the life.
Thanks for the demo, it was very helpful.
Phosphor bronze for me.
Those 80/20 lights will make a dreadnaught come to life with mid brightness without losing bass . Can get a very good blues / rock sound out of them too .
Great comparison! I typically prefer PBs but my ears liked the 80/20s best in your test. Interesting!
I think the 80/20's suited this martin more initially but after playing for a while your ears might get annoyed with the sparkle. I prefer the PB's on my 000. Like horses for courses, most guitars have a string material, gage and brand that suits them :)
Agreed! I like to try and find the perfect set for each of my guitars.
Totally agree. Like with open tunings. It might take me a day or two of really intense emotional meddling to figure out what tuning a guitar wants to be in when I get a new one (used, but new to me). But when it finally lands, you can definitely hear and feel it. THATS the tuning that guitar wants to be in. Same with strings I think.
Yeah i like PB on my 000-28 and 80/20 on my golden Era hog backed alpine Spruce dread.
to me the 80/20s sound a lot clearer and less "muddy", but all up to personal preference I guess
also certain strings definitely work better for certain types of playing/songs
Definitely. I think for people strumming hard, the 80/20 might be a better fit. I personally like the Phosphor Bronze because I pick pretty lightly and I feel like I get more body out of them.
For my ear, I hear so much clarity on the 80/20. I’ve been playing phosphor bronze for as long as I can remember, and side by side, the brightness I might have heard before now sounds kind of fizzy or white noise sounding to me. I think I’m going to switch to 80/20!
Great video, thanks for all the time it took to make this! ✌️😌✨
80/20 sounds brighter and I like it. Phosphor bronze sounds slightly muddy compared to it.
Btw this is an amazing comparison and I really like that the comparison was done without any other variables. I also like that you put short phases of them one by one. This helped me notice the differences.
Yes thanks Alex I forgot to thank you for the excellent work here. Very much appreciated!
Thank you for creating the best 80/20 vs. Phosphor comparison video I have seen. I have always been partial to 80/20. I think after this video, my feelings have not changed. Phosphors sound tinny/chimey to my ear, whereas 80/20s have a richer deeper sound that I love.
Sir, you have such brilliant playing. Loved the way you did the comparison and loved the way you played your guitar.
Thank you! Appreciate it
Finally someone who plays A Major chord differently 🙋🏻♂️
The main reason to play it like this, like he does, is that you can easy play or switch to A 7th chords - (similar to a D7th shape).
I play it with my middle, ring and pinky finger.
FBJ 122 good. I play it just with my index finger.
Excellent comparison. Very useful! Obviously down to personal preference. 80/20 for me but I can see why others go for the PB.
I've literally been using the 80/20 bronze for 2 years now and I haven't changed, I wanted the low-end to sound better cause I want more bass in my acoustic and now I think Phosphor Bronze is way better for low-end! Thanks a lot, this helped me so much! 😄👌
I thought I was going to prefer the 80/20 on a dreadnought for the additional brightness, but after listening, I believe that the phosphor bronze strings *play* to a big box guitar's strengths at least for this situation.
Came here for the strings, stayed for the playin'
Me too
The 80/20 is like a bridge pick up, the PB is more like a neck pickup. Anyway, a little EQing could make one sound like the other,
Great comparison and thanks for your thoughts
80/20 Bronze strings defenitely. More punch, more grit, clearer and less mellow. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for your thoughts!
@@AlexPriceMusician It remains 'difficult'. When you use the guitar in a band setting and want it to cut through the mix I would surely go for 80/20's. When you want delicate sounds as a solo instrument, possibly the phosphor bronze are a better choice.
So, it depends: If you play purely acoustic, even with other instruments, have a dark or budget guitar, want a bright sound or stuff, you might wanna try the 80/20's, at the other side, if you have a brighter guitar, want a warmer tone or play plugged, the phosphors... Greetings man. Thanks for making the vid.
I prefer the Phosphorus myself. I think it's more balanced to my ears.
Very interesting! In this demo, I find 20/80's wound strings sounding louder and more articulate. I'll try those the next time I buy acoustic strings!
Thanks Alex, yeah personally I think I like the 80/20s but who knows what the future holds 👍
Thank you for your time and effort in putting together this comparison video I have decided to go 80/20 after your wonderful and in-depth presentation
Glad it was helpful!
I think the guitar really is the main factor on best string type. If the guitar is really bassy then 80/20. PB is best on bright guitars.
Great job. Thank you for a great comparison and the work you put in. I wish I could give more thumbs up.
Excellent version of yesterday!
Alex! Your content in this video is just awesome. Extremely precise. Apart from the comparison, your skill was more dominant. Thanks for sharing. You got a subscriber. 🍻
80/20 sounds so much better
I prefer the 80/20 bronze strings. I would like to hear John Pearce strings on that guitar. Nice playing by the way!
Excellent comparison. Thank you! I play 11-52 on my HD-28 Phosphore Bronze
Thanks always for these detailed comparisons!
Thanks for watching!
Superb playing. Surprised how close they were but the PH/BR won the day with to my ear a rounder, even balance. My fav guys all use these as do I with my D 18 and electrics. Just today a 3 pack of the XS coated 80/20 showed up. I look forward trying them out for the 1st time. Thanks
Thanks for the great video. 13's - pretty beefy strings to a lot of players, but I like the choice. I wonder how the comparison holds up as you go to lighter strings. Both sounded good on my mediocre computer speakers. I might give the edge to the 80-20 for strumming and to the phosphor/bronze for the finger picking (beautifully done btw), but purely personal preference, could feel differently on a different day.
I would love to see a hybrid of the two where the half of the strings closer to the headstock is the darker Phosphor Bronze, and then where the picking happens at the soundhole on the upper half of the strings would be 80/20 Bronze. The brighter nature of the 80/20 is great for the picking attack, but since it's brighter you really hear more unpleasant finger noise from position-shifts of the fretting fingers. On the darker Phosphors, you get a more moderate and pleasant version of that finger noise.
They're called half-breeds but they only sell in Japan. $150 a set.
Very interesting and surprising - the Pb strings certainly sounded far less dynamic and slightly dull compared to copper. EXCELLENT demo with so many demos that were continuous without breaks for narration. Definite bell ringing time if this is the standard of your uploads.
Thank you Alan! I appreciate it
Thank you very much 😎🎸🎶☮️
I enjoyed your medley of examples
The 80/20 have a noticeable jangling sound.
I prefer the Bronze.
Awesome video man! Thanks for taking the time to do this. The other few videos I watched described the differences before I found this one. Much appreciated!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks Daniel
Excellent playing. Differences best heard in the later playing, Day in the Life, Yesterday, not so in the strumming. Not enough to make me change from 80/20's. I play Elixir Light 12-53, they're a bit expensive but nice sound and seem to last longer. Thanks for making this video.
Hey John - thanks for sharing your experience!
Pretty straight forward mate - Like the genuineness on a whole!
Wow huge difference, not that noticeable until strumming.
Great well made video, thanks so much for making. Helped me a lot with making a choice. Cheers
Cheers brother. Glad it was helpful!
I'm a drummer. Sorry to crash your party. No pun intended but very pertinent. The phosphor bronze is, I believe, the B8 bronze that is in most beginner cymbals that most serious drummers would call junk...except for the Paiste 2002 series. They have less highs which is typical for b8 bronze but they are well made and sound great. Very controlled and consistent. Not very durable, though. Most pro cymbals are 80/20 bell bronze (Some people say 'Bell Brass.' It's not brass.) which has nice high frequency response and more sustain and volume. I see the similarities in these strings but the phosphor bronze (b8) strings have a rich warmth and comexity. The 80/20 strings have nicer highs but lack the warmth. It would be nice if there was a mix of the two types of strings so you could get the shimmer of the 80/20's and the complexity of the phosphor bronze. Just my 2 cents.
Now you guys know if you see a drummer show up to an audition with b8 cymbals (Sabían B8's, Zildjian ZHT's...if they look like Copper) he probably isn't that serious or serious about sounding his best at your audition. Ask him what cymbals he gigs with. B8's? "Next!"
Thanks for sharing that Tomas - never would've known that small fact. I appreciate you sharing your insight
Ghs Americana sound like a mix. Closest thing. They're PBS but are Cryo treated and for some reason the end product is a long lasting, brighter without jangly, more fudemental PB. Closest PB to a 80/20 I've heard while still have the PB benefits and great life.
I'm sticking with 80/20. I don't mind replacing them often, as I play 6 to 8 hours a day, and longer on weekends. The corrosion isn't an issue with frequent strings changes as they wear out and sound dead or break before corrosion is an issue. I prefer the crispness and less mids for my particular main acoustic (Yamaha FG5, great Japanese made guitar that I snagged for 1250 after asking for a best price quote from my sweetwater rep.) I didn't have a local shop that I could get one from.
The Phosphors sound richer and fuller, like more folk or country, the 80/20's sound more cutting and brighter, more kinda bluegrass...
First of all if your looking for strictly country, the silk/steel or gypsy jazz set is what your looking for.
If your looking to make the blues you need unparalleled tones to communicate better.
The phosphor is protected string, that actually sounds pretty average when it comes to strings
@@alanabrams7693 Protected? What exactly does that mean? Phosphor does not sound avg btw
Great comparison!
But to be fully meaningful one should have the same comparison not just with fresh strings, but also one day, one week, one month and three month on.
I believe that that would change the picture radically.
EXCELLENT review. Thank you very much.
Very nice video-thank you very much indeed, Sir. *sorry for my English grammar. I really loves Ray & Dave Davies (Kinks & I only use two types of strings : the 80/20 (Martin Originals made in Mexico) & the quiet underrated Aluminium Bronze from the Ernie Ball U.S.A. with my trusty guitar 2005 Korean Epiphone EJ-160E
Your video was so very helpful! 🙂 Thank you & God bless you! We will check out your other videos next time. 🕊️
I like the honesty, well done fella ! No bullshit just a straight forward informative vid, the layout to it is really good, making it easy to compare, I found both have positives in certain area's over each other, I guess its what suits the style of music one plays, or song, in a perfect world we'd have two guitars, PB & 80/20 😊, probably the 80\20s for what I play most of, difficult tho' .... cheers, great job done !
Thanks for the test. 80/20 all the way. Very nice playing, guitar sounds great. Makes me happy to see a young man putting proper.13 medium gauge on that Martin. I see young people putting .11s on martin dreads. Now cut the stings at the tuning pegs and we will be all set.
Hard to tell in this video, even with headphones. But, I've used 80/20 on 5 guitars and they all seem to do well with them. 13's are too heavy though, dude! Relax. Go down to 11's and you'll get the most out of the mids and highs.
Perfect, your video took away my doubts and I finnaly chose the ideal chords for me. Phospor made mid-tones clearer. Big TY from Brazil.
Great to hear that! Glad it was helpful
Thanks for the video! Great playing too. You played every song I wanted to hear!
Great demo! I like them both. I think while the PBs are bigger and fuller sounding, some time just sound way better on 89/20s. They're a little less stringy on the high end.
I use both. I have my '76 Guild strung with 80/20s (currently caught between light Martin M140s and D'addario mediums) and my '87 Taylor with medium D'addario PBs. That way I can get that vibey early 70s acoustic tone, especially in open tunings a la Stephen Stills or Neil Young and a much bigger acoustic tone that works for everything else.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Great.Thanks for the time it took to make this review ...
I've been using 80/20, but after your comparison I'll try PB, they're round and well balanced. Great job!!
Thanks for commenting Alex! Let me know how they work for you
Which is better - an apple or an orange? Both these string types are great in certain contexts. I've played both many times over many years, and like both. Sometimes. You demo them very well, but honestly I can't hear much difference on RUclips even with good earphones, but I can hear the difference in life. Sure, the phosphors are a shade warmer, but I don't always want that. And so on. Thanks a lot.
I came to hear the difference between the 2, but was lost in your tunes. Well played man.
Also, the 80/20s sounded much better to my ears than the PBs (which were a little dull on the highs). I have an F310 (dread), which already has good lows, and using the 80/20s on it will make the sound more balanced.
Thanks for the comparison btw.
Beauty is in the ear of the be hearer . To each his own I prefers the warmer sound of phosphorus bronze . Having said I would be happy to add an 80/20 guitar to my collection the clean sound is good for finger picking
Very accurate and to the point comparison 👍.
Excellent demo no gimmicks or twatiness, great guitar playing, for me it's the phospher bronze (which coincidentally l have just bought a set) richer fuller sound. Thanks
Haha twatiness nice I know exactly what you mean
I prefer Phospor bronze... i mostly play 12s and a lot of Folk, Blues and Bluegrass... You get a nice woody a little mellow but warm sound. The 80/20 I haven't used a while but I bought sometime back a tripple pack of them and put them on... Well it's not my sound... :D You can hear the tones much clearer and sharper.... it's more metallic-bright sounding. But I prefer mostly phospor-bronze - they have more low end and better tonal voicings.
Well said! Thank you for sharing
I'm gonna add it up! If you live in humid (wet) climate (like Northern-Europe - for me) where it's raining a lot. Then Phosphor Bronze will also last longer. Just keep a soft wool-cloth handy with your guitar and wipe the strings before and after you start playing. It will also keep better tone on 80/20 because they will even corrode more over time, PB corrodes less - I had one set for a year and they were still in good tonal shape while the other 80/20 I would change atleast every 6 months. So by this I can tell that the PB is also an cheaper option for the long run unless you break a string xD.
need to know the woods of the guitar. My Tak 740 fs is cedar with mahogany - all solid. Natural sound is already warm and projecting, so phos/bronze string accentuate the warmth and project of the mids where this guitar is already strong, so not the best. The bronze strings bring a brightness to the overall sound and lets the natural sound of this guitar come through. So what I'm saying is - use these demos as guideline but you really need to try various string types and gauges to find the ONE for your guitar. BTW - well done demo - let the sound do the talking.
Great analysis! Thanks for your thoughts
Great video,they sound the same to me, another important comparison would be which ones feel better on fingers?sliding?bending?etc thanx
No difference honestly
@@AlexPriceMusician,
Thanx Alex
I think if you had a cedar top guitar 80/20 will help the clarity while still giving warmth. PB on a cedar may be way too dark and could get a bit muddy!
Great video, super useful 80/20 sounds clearer to me and what I like. Thank you
I have been using 80/20 bronze for ages. I need to try the others on my 814ce Taylor to soften the tone. Excellent video and demo.
Thanks Larry! Glad it was helpful
Good demo, thanks. On this guitar the 80/20's sound more pleasing at first but actually the phosphors have this mix ready eq:d sound that brings out both the sparkle and bark of the guitar.
thank you, super helpful! was wondering what to choose. think the 80/20 will give my mini martin that extra bit to stand out.
if I close my eyes I cannot hear any difference on my Mackie HR824 Studio monitors but I have to say that on My Martin OM28(smaller body ) the Phos/Bronze are a lot brighter and richer with harmonics especially past the 7th frets...while the 80/20 are more balanced and a lot softer and mellower but last a lot longer...Cheers
Great video - - thank you. I had no idea before I checked out your video. I'm sold on 92/8.
Glad it was helpful!
In the beginning when you were strumming chords I noticed the 80/20’s had overtones develop earlier than the PB.
I’ve never put 80/20 on my L00 now I’m quite curious. Tomorrow I’ll swap my strings! Thank you so much man!
Would be interested to hear a comparison of the strings a couple of months in! I actually really like the tone of 80/20 strings after they “die”, which is after a week or two if you play a lot! And, realistically, most guitarists are not changing their strings 20 times a year! So string comparisons which focus on "fresh" strings somewhat miss the point for 99% of players to my mind.
I love 80/20s after a week or so, whereas phosphor I like a lot less, personally, at least, whenever I go back to them anyway. But yeah 80/20s in that first couple of days or week can be unbelievably zingy! That's not the tone you'll be living with though
Very interesting. I liked the BP on the lower strings and the 80/20s on the high strings. Do people ever mix two different kinds of strings on the same guitar? Would they still resonate with each other as well as strings that are all the same type?
I believe that the unwound B and E strings are actually the same from both sets. It’s common in the violin world to mix strings from different sets, I’m sure some guitarists do it also
@@AlexPriceMusician Yes, that is very interesting. I'm really not sure how the high E and B strings can sound different, but I do hear a difference. Maybe it's how the other strings resonate with them? Do they sound different to you while playing?
For me listening through very transparent headphones the 80/20 bronze are a more detailed brighter sound and the phosphor bronze are less detailed but warmer sound. I like 80/20 myself as I like the brighter sound and when they get older and lose their shimmer they sound more like phosphor bronze. Great work in doing the comparison. 😀
Thanks for your thoughts Derek!
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Thanks so much buddy you helped me and for sure many others to choose the right one.
Really glad it was helpful!
Excellent demo ! Thank you!
Thanks Alex. It's phosphorus for me. Loved the yesterday fingerpickin at the end. Keep it up
Thanks Kelvin. Glad you enjoyed
Nice comparison!!
I love "a Day in The Life"!!!!!
Greetings from Brazil!
Love "A Day in the Life" take there on both sets, gorgeous!
The best comparison 😊...it really depends on the guitar. On a new D28 I like the 80/20s - the rosewood isn't too much in overtones. But on a D18 I like PBs more. And 0.13s are the best sounding on a Dread - even in fingerstyle :)