I'd love to see your assessment of APL's running shoes using this same tech in comparison to leading marathon shoes, I use the Nike Air Zoom Alphafly NEXT% for marathons (and usually a month of pre-marathon training to feel comfortable to compete with them) and some Pegasus 39s for year round training, both are popular picks in the community for their respective purposes, and I'd love to see how the APLs do as both marathon shoes and training shoes.
I've had these shoes for just about a year now and I've noticed just how much more energy return I get from these compared to my other basketball shoes. When only using the shoe on indoor courts the traction pretty sustainable due to how hard the outsole rubber is, and the traction does break in some aswell. These shoes are a little clunky though when it comes to ball handling or being maneuverable in a guard position. This shoe is perfect for posts and power forwards who want to have a really good athletic game for offense and defense due to how much harder you can run and for so much longer you can run. I have also caught myself falling a little bit on the side of shoes and almost falling over myself so that is something to keep in mind. But overall it's the highest quality Shoe I've owned and it just lasts so long with the traction for how thin it is overall one of my best purchases with a custom orthotic to really up my game in ways I was lacking. Do be aware though this shoe won't really increase you vertical from a standstill maybe from a sprint though because the springs really help with using all of the energy your putting in the ground and giving it back to you in a way that makes you run a lot longer.
I got the very 1st pair they released about 10 years ago and they increased by running vert by 3-4 inches. I think these shoes are more effective for people that are "high flyers" or gifted jumpers
Hi Zach, had a few patients in these over 10 years ago. Worked well for sesamoid pain. I was never game enough to cut them open. All they do is enhance windlass, so always found it interesting that brands haven't really explored this.
The pricetag is warranted more in a shoe like this because of the technology more than other overpriced shoes that are just brand hype. I'd have no problem paying more for a superior product with excellent build quality.
As a foot doctor where do you stand on barefoot, zero drop, natural toe box shoes? I wear the kawhi NB for basketball but I think barefoot shoes have really changed the health of my lower body for better
One type of shoe I personally want you to review is double lasted sneakers like the Adidas T Mac restomods. I want to know if there's any performance benefits to that kind of build also since it was super popular in the early 2000s. I have the 2s and the 3s. The 3s after breaking them in are surprisingly decent. They have to be broken in I just want to stress that.
My problem with athletic shoes is that they don't protect the athlete. Many shoes claim to sacrifice protection for performance. In the mid 90s the NBA lost entire draft classes to fatigue injuries (knees, ankles, and back). The players that were injured were not physical players either. This was obviously do to too much grip and shoe rigidity. This caused to much energy to be released into the joints. NBA players wear a new pair of shoes every night, but those shoes have not been broken in. Stiff form fit shoe is a disaster waiting to happen. Your feet need flex to disperse impact energy. Sneaker should be design to absorb impact or redirect impact forces. They should also support the natural flexing and spreading. Modern shoes are hell on the insteps and are too narrow in the toes. Sliding is good too much traction leads to return energy. Shuttle runs are healthy. A circular would cause less trauma.
It is nice to see a shoe that puts the active part of the foot into action. Versus the non functional part of the foot to be the targeted part of the build. The NBA to band the shoe is asinine, even if it's a limited quantity. I do think they're hideous 🤣
I have a pair I got a year ago for $100 off during one of the sales. The shoe has nice cushion but seems to have a significantly narrow base and somehow hurts my achilles after a while. Also, it is narrow at the ankle and you have to work your foot in. As for the price, you can get 2 or 3 pairs of comparable shoes or even 1 pair of nicer shoes and a carbon fiber insole.
Question on arches... if a person has high or medium high arches does that mean that they don't need to a lot of arch support from their tennis shoes or vice versa?
The shoes are made to enhance athletic ability, not create it. Plain and simple, if you are not already an explosive athlete (jumping, sprinting, etc) these wont give you much help. Not trying to be disrespectful but someone with a 17" vert wont feel the enhanced effects vs a pro athlete that is pushing a 40". It is somewhat of a multiplier effect which is why the NBA banned them.
When you run, work on keeping your body as straight in line as possible. Swaying side to side feels natural, but wastes energy and movement which equals a slower time
I've bought two of these shoes and it did not increase my vertical jump height like it claimed it would, $600 down the drain would not recommend unless you are a light weight athlete. I'm 6'4 210lb
Just baught my first pair of legit running shoes (HOKA ONE ONE Clifton 8 running shoes) Would you ever do a review of something like this? Great video per usual !💪
Similar shoe was the Nike Shock/Shok basketball shoes that was ban due to the "springs". Another ban shoe was a trainer by Hoka then Hoka One One in 2010's, that looked more like a Basketball shoe then trainer but was ban for a different reason due to the height of the midsole giving players a height advantage."
You're absolutely kidding right. How old are you? You know those weren't real springs. I was 16 when those came out. I had two pairs then and I have one now. They did nothing functionally. Not to mention NBA players wore them all the time while they were popular. They even had the series of boing commercials
@@mrpope03ify Yes I know as I was 16 at the time too and knew they did nothing but somehow the shoes were ban for Track and Field Dimond league jumping events, and later NBA, not in NBA for the shoes themselves but for that but for the fact that somehow people bought up the crappy knockoffs from Turkey and China that were slapping the correct labels on them that had the exploding issue off E-bay where people got big discounts on the knockoffs sold as the real deal in USA always for 30% off. It was that some players bought the kockoffs that had the NBA making a decision to remove the shoes from play for safety of...exploding heels of shoes off the knockoff shoes. It was a different brand that had actual springs in the shoes heel now using a new name but same exact logo for the shoes claiming now in adds they are not legal for use in NCAA, NBA, WNBA, Or most Track and Field associations/Road Running associations in very small letters with * after the approved by US Podiatry Asssoication for pain relief use and * with the letters below *.
mr foot doctor can i ask about this because i play with double socks and i always play in one size bigger shoes for me but now i prefer a snugfit shoes for now so which is better for playing with double socks on snugfit or one size bigger? ty
Do you think politics got this shoe banned? For example, the relationship the NBA has with it's sponsors such as Nike, Adidas, Li-Ning, etc. which allows the other brands to gradually catch up?
Desperately Looking for a minimalist, barefoot style basketball shoe. Zero or small drop, wide toe box to allow the toes to move. Any recommendations??
All ep and pf Nike sneakers are is just Nike performance basketball shoes that are shoes built on slightly wider lasts, with xdr rubber outsoles, and are generally made for Asian audiences.
Unrelated question to the video but would are drop in midsoles good for flat feet? I am thinking of getting the wade 808 2 ultra and I am flat feet please help
I honestly wish sports would stop banning passive shoe technologies. The business of sports is a major driver in clothing technology. When it stops being profitable; the technological evolution grinds to a halt. Normal people that could have had just a bit more help in everyday tasks never get to see the fruits of all that R&D trickle down into their clothing because the manufacturers cut their losses and move on to something else.
Love the vids generally, but I really just feel like you may not be personally qualified to assess the advantages this shoe could potentially be bringing. Not to say that you're wrong, but it seems apparent to me that your typical test metrics don't allow you to judge the way that the increased running economy can translate to improved jump height. You're judgement *could* be correct, but I think you should have tested with a more explosive athlete to test the claims and physics of the shoe
I just think that when assessing an item that claims to operate like a springboard, removing momentum from the equation doesn't really do much to check those claims. Like testing a gymnastics spring floor by *not* doing a round-off.
It looks exactly alost identical to one of steph curry shoes..I forget which model...but it's almost identical..just take the SC off..it it's there lol
I get banning them from College but why would the NBA ban them if it inhances performance without the use of drugs the players should be encouraged to buy them they all make good enough money to buy those so I don't get it?
Im going to keep saying it " if these were created by nike or adi, the nba would've allowed it, GUARANTEED". Why ? Those forefoot springs are nothing but gimmicks just like the boing boings vince carter use to toy us with our minds. The zoom/max air pods that nike put in almost all their basketball/running shoes are WAYYYYYY more effective in returning the energy exerted in the forefoot and propel the wearer up/forward. And those highly pressured airpods were allowed ?? This coming from A die hard life long nike fan anyways.
Anta KT8 Teardown:
ruclips.net/video/jxKvLoj2vhE/видео.html
Can you review airmax impact 4
@footdoctorzach, would u buy these to hoop in for $240
I'd love to see your assessment of APL's running shoes using this same tech in comparison to leading marathon shoes, I use the Nike Air Zoom Alphafly NEXT% for marathons (and usually a month of pre-marathon training to feel comfortable to compete with them) and some Pegasus 39s for year round training, both are popular picks in the community for their respective purposes, and I'd love to see how the APLs do as both marathon shoes and training shoes.
I've had these shoes for just about a year now and I've noticed just how much more energy return I get from these compared to my other basketball shoes. When only using the shoe on indoor courts the traction pretty sustainable due to how hard the outsole rubber is, and the traction does break in some aswell. These shoes are a little clunky though when it comes to ball handling or being maneuverable in a guard position. This shoe is perfect for posts and power forwards who want to have a really good athletic game for offense and defense due to how much harder you can run and for so much longer you can run. I have also caught myself falling a little bit on the side of shoes and almost falling over myself so that is something to keep in mind. But overall it's the highest quality Shoe I've owned and it just lasts so long with the traction for how thin it is overall one of my best purchases with a custom orthotic to really up my game in ways I was lacking. Do be aware though this shoe won't really increase you vertical from a standstill maybe from a sprint though because the springs really help with using all of the energy your putting in the ground and giving it back to you in a way that makes you run a lot longer.
Traction is half of the performance to be honest. No traction, no go. Simple as that
Yeah 100%
Amen.
It's because of that translucent crap. I swear, that stuff is like glue for dust. Looks cool, but almost never works as well.
Banned by NBA to prevent injury and poor performance. Good call.
@@gradeawork2242 no
I got the very 1st pair they released about 10 years ago and they increased by running vert by 3-4 inches. I think these shoes are more effective for people that are "high flyers" or gifted jumpers
those first ones design was great looking and the black/neon colorway looked good too
Did you get the concept x or the 1’s
Hi Zach, had a few patients in these over 10 years ago. Worked well for sesamoid pain. I was never game enough to cut them open. All they do is enhance windlass, so always found it interesting that brands haven't really explored this.
No matter how performance enhancing a shoe might be, it won't matter if the traction doesn't inspire confidant movements.
The pricetag is warranted more in a shoe like this because of the technology more than other overpriced shoes that are just brand hype. I'd have no problem paying more for a superior product with excellent build quality.
As a foot doctor where do you stand on barefoot, zero drop, natural toe box shoes?
I wear the kawhi NB for basketball but I think barefoot shoes have really changed the health of my lower body for better
knees over toes guy released barefoot basketball shoe
@@myroslavhaievskyi9862 yeah I saw something on that.
One type of shoe I personally want you to review is double lasted sneakers like the Adidas T Mac restomods. I want to know if there's any performance benefits to that kind of build also since it was super popular in the early 2000s. I have the 2s and the 3s. The 3s after breaking them in are surprisingly decent. They have to be broken in I just want to stress that.
Gilbert Arenas too? But yes I agree 🙏🏽
Hey zach could you please do a review on the Lining JB1. Really interested in their performance and only solebrothers have touched on them
My problem with athletic shoes is that they don't protect the athlete. Many shoes claim to sacrifice protection for performance. In the mid 90s the NBA lost entire draft classes to fatigue injuries (knees, ankles, and back).
The players that were injured were not physical players either.
This was obviously do to too much grip and shoe rigidity. This caused to much energy to be released into the joints. NBA players wear a new pair of shoes every night, but those shoes have not been broken in. Stiff form fit shoe is a disaster waiting to happen. Your feet need flex to disperse impact energy. Sneaker should be design to absorb impact or redirect impact forces. They should also support the natural flexing and spreading. Modern shoes are hell on the insteps and are too narrow in the toes.
Sliding is good too much traction leads to return energy. Shuttle runs are healthy. A circular would cause less trauma.
What happens if you try to put on the vktry sole in it ...
Always wondered about these. Thanks Doc, always on the job. I appreciate that.
I’m trying- thanks for watching 👍👍
You may get good cushioning from those springs. But I can’t see the springs help with vert since they are buried inside the sole.
You’re a man of your word! Thanks doc.
Haha yep
These aren’t the ones that got banned by the nba. The concept 1 and 2 APL were banned
Need the Li-Ning Way of Wade JB 1 asap, I only order my performance shoes after you reviewed it ♥️
It is nice to see a shoe that puts the active part of the foot into action. Versus the non functional part of the foot to be the targeted part of the build.
The NBA to band the shoe is asinine, even if it's a limited quantity.
I do think they're hideous 🤣
I have a pair I got a year ago for $100 off during one of the sales. The shoe has nice cushion but seems to have a significantly narrow base and somehow hurts my achilles after a while. Also, it is narrow at the ankle and you have to work your foot in. As for the price, you can get 2 or 3 pairs of comparable shoes or even 1 pair of nicer shoes and a carbon fiber insole.
It is indeed overrated and overpriced, but i would still get these in full normal price than the BALLER brothers brand i swear 🤣
LOVE these shoes, they’re so comfy - but everyone’s foot is different, gotta find what’s a good fit for you
Please do a video about sneakers with highest jump height test .
Hi, would you by chance review any of the Hoka shoes ? Thanks.
Question on arches... if a person has high or medium high arches does that mean that they don't need to a lot of arch support from their tennis shoes or vice versa?
Arch shape doesn’t correlate to support level needed
Great review 💪🏿🧠
Cannot wait for the review of AG 3 PRO from 361 those are 🔥💯
I would pay money to see a jump test with the springs removed.
Great information as always! Keep up the awesome content!!
Where can I buy a pair of?
Banned because they aren’t made by the right company.
Pls review the Don Issue #4!!
The shoes are made to enhance athletic ability, not create it. Plain and simple, if you are not already an explosive athlete (jumping, sprinting, etc) these wont give you much help. Not trying to be disrespectful but someone with a 17" vert wont feel the enhanced effects vs a pro athlete that is pushing a 40". It is somewhat of a multiplier effect which is why the NBA banned them.
Zach did you do a bounce test on these? I Wonder how high that metal ball will go.🤔
what d you think about footshape shoes in basketball ? like Altra or Topo shoes in running ?
When you run, work on keeping your body as straight in line as possible. Swaying side to side feels natural, but wastes energy and movement which equals a slower time
Stop spreading bs
@@Anon.G okay idiiot 🤣
I've bought two of these shoes and it did not increase my vertical jump height like it claimed it would, $600 down the drain would not recommend unless you are a light weight athlete. I'm 6'4 210lb
No shortcuts, Jason
Surprised Nike didn’t try to sue them. The upper is almost identical to the Nike ACG woabb and Kobe hurarache
Thank you for this one! This is legendary.
Can you please do the Adidas Crazy Byw 2.0. ?
Really? Wow! How do I claim the offer?
Just baught my first pair of legit running shoes (HOKA ONE ONE Clifton 8 running shoes) Would you ever do a review of something like this?
Great video per usual !💪
Similar shoe was the Nike Shock/Shok basketball shoes that was ban due to the "springs". Another ban shoe was a trainer by Hoka then Hoka One One in 2010's, that looked more like a Basketball shoe then trainer but was ban for a different reason due to the height of the midsole giving players a height advantage."
You're absolutely kidding right. How old are you? You know those weren't real springs. I was 16 when those came out. I had two pairs then and I have one now. They did nothing functionally. Not to mention NBA players wore them all the time while they were popular. They even had the series of boing commercials
@@mrpope03ify Yes I know as I was 16 at the time too and knew they did nothing but somehow the shoes were ban for Track and Field Dimond league jumping events, and later NBA, not in NBA for the shoes themselves but for that but for the fact that somehow people bought up the crappy knockoffs from Turkey and China that were slapping the correct labels on them that had the exploding issue off E-bay where people got big discounts on the knockoffs sold as the real deal in USA always for 30% off. It was that some players bought the kockoffs that had the NBA making a decision to remove the shoes from play for safety of...exploding heels of shoes off the knockoff shoes.
It was a different brand that had actual springs in the shoes heel now using a new name but same exact logo for the shoes claiming now in adds they are not legal for use in NCAA, NBA, WNBA, Or most Track and Field associations/Road Running associations in very small letters with * after the approved by US Podiatry Asssoication for pain relief use and * with the letters below *.
Shox were not banned, lol. Nor did they have springs.
@@caseysmith544painful to read
mr foot doctor can i ask about this because i play with double socks and i always play in one size bigger shoes for me but now i prefer a snugfit shoes for now so which is better for playing with double socks on snugfit or one size bigger? ty
As i understood kt8 should be banned too, right?
Can you do a video on vivobarefoot primus lite iii and the geo racer?
No straight line sprint speed test if it makes you faster?
Do you think politics got this shoe banned?
For example, the relationship the NBA has with it's sponsors such as Nike, Adidas, Li-Ning, etc. which allows the other brands to gradually catch up?
Is the KT8 you reference the klay thompson shoe?
What if your an explosive athlete heavier would they go higher and faster
May I ask what is your opinion on the best basketball shoe for shin splints?
ruclips.net/video/wOxqgQKM02k/видео.html
Can you review the 361 AG Zen 4? Cushion seems good but I'm not sure
Honestly I feel like the only reason these are still in production is because of the “nba banning” otherwise they’d be defunct by now.
About to watch this. Are you still going to review the LeBron ambassadors?
Hell yeah! I asked for this review!
Yes you did 🏆
Desperately Looking for a minimalist, barefoot style basketball shoe. Zero or small drop, wide toe box to allow the toes to move. Any recommendations??
Nope - dont know any but check out knee over toes guy he wears some
I love midlle cut thats crazy thank you youre my favorite youtuber
Did anybody notice the floor was flexing at the 8:30 mark?
do people actually think some 5mm springs is going to help with their vertical? LOL
which basketball shoes do you think are the best for performance?
Zach I was wondering what's the difference between EP and PF shoes
All ep and pf Nike sneakers are is just Nike performance basketball shoes that are shoes built on slightly wider lasts, with xdr rubber outsoles, and are generally made for Asian audiences.
Where does this guy get his shorts?
Fr though what is that pattern called
I had an og pair and it did not increase my vertical. And I don’t think these will either lol 😊
Unrelated question to the video but would are drop in midsoles good for flat feet? I am thinking of getting the wade 808 2 ultra and I am flat feet please help
I dont love them for it but some do
I honestly wish sports would stop banning passive shoe technologies. The business of sports is a major driver in clothing technology.
When it stops being profitable; the technological evolution grinds to a halt.
Normal people that could have had just a bit more help in everyday tasks never get to see the fruits of all that R&D trickle down into their clothing because the manufacturers cut their losses and move on to something else.
Hey man, can you try the artengo ts990?
The new Luka shoes are probably my favorite basketball shoes right now.
You should check those out.
Already did - just search for it its there
Upper is taking alot of design cues from the Nike Huarache
any review coming up on the wade all city 10 v2s?
Next up
A foot doctor that hoops. I like it.
So NBA, making money on stat increases (2k, NBA Street, etc.), mad because shoes that are giving +2speed and -1 acceleration actually exist?
Mizuno have the similar on court shoe, but purposely built for volleyball
I think you should have used a more experienced basketball player. A before and after vertical would have been nice.
Big box companies didn’t want the competition.
wade all city 10 v2s or 808 2s?
one of my buddy plays in these in our weekly games. his thought "meh"
Can you review the curry 1 flotro?
I absolutely love a basketball shoe with a nice knit. I'm foaming at the mouth for these...
Love the vids generally, but I really just feel like you may not be personally qualified to assess the advantages this shoe could potentially be bringing. Not to say that you're wrong, but it seems apparent to me that your typical test metrics don't allow you to judge the way that the increased running economy can translate to improved jump height. You're judgement *could* be correct, but I think you should have tested with a more explosive athlete to test the claims and physics of the shoe
Thanks?
I just think that when assessing an item that claims to operate like a springboard, removing momentum from the equation doesn't really do much to check those claims. Like testing a gymnastics spring floor by *not* doing a round-off.
That shoe is definitely inspired the Nike Hurache 2K4
They should make these in a hiking boot; probably very comfortable...
Yeah especially going up hill the coils would be awesome - probably save so much energy - good call
Tape your ankles before and these sound pretty good.
Anyone have Reebok Crossovers from early 90's?
In 2022 people still think shoes make you a better player? 😂 It's called hard work and dedication. Training and practice
This is about the shoe not the player…more at11
Shoes does matter, play basketball in Old canvas converse like players did a long time ago and you wouldn't say anything
Finally the prophecy of the PF Flyer has been realized. A shoe guaranteed to make you run faster and jump higher
I think it’ll get companies to get better
Looks better than most nike and adidas releases from the past decade
Test the traction on a hardwood
Well for $400 it should be up there with Nike. But it's up to the person
It looks exactly alost identical to one of steph curry shoes..I forget which model...but it's almost identical..just take the SC off..it it's there lol
really jump increase shoe??
WTF,...I wouldn't have bought these sneakers if they had better reviews than the GT CUT 1
I get banning them from College but why would the NBA ban them if it inhances performance without the use of drugs the players should be encouraged to buy them they all make good enough money to buy those so I don't get it?
They look like hightop running hurraches same pattern
owned them. they don't increase vert so i mean
Im going to keep saying it " if these were created by nike or adi, the nba would've allowed it, GUARANTEED". Why ? Those forefoot springs are nothing but gimmicks just like the boing boings vince carter use to toy us with our minds. The zoom/max air pods that nike put in almost all their basketball/running shoes are WAYYYYYY more effective in returning the energy exerted in the forefoot and propel the wearer up/forward. And those highly pressured airpods were allowed ?? This coming from A die hard life long nike fan anyways.
Do you know any men with one foot?
i want to see rep shoe vs real shoe
Overpriced gimmick that's lacking in key performance features?!?? Say it ain't so, Doc!
Love you Doc. Love your work and what you do but the moment I hear $400.00….. I’m out.
It’s a steep price tag
They're selling performance shoes for reseller prices 🤣 great breakdown, Doc.
they look like Timberlands of the 1980s...LOL....the collar looks like it does absolutely nothing except make it extremely difficult to put them on
it hurt so bad when you destroyed those $400 shoes
He does it again !!!
@Footdoctorzach. Oh Yeah? I'm definitely interested.
Sound like to me they need to change gears and make work boots