The Montage is 10 yrs ahead in the technology curve but still the Kronos is the BEAST. The workflow is very convoluted in the Kronos as it was in the M3 and the Triton before that and a huge learning curve for the average musician. If the Kronos even today simplifies and optimises it interface, includes a phrase / pattern sequencer, it can blow even today's flagships out of the water.
Ok, so I bought a few of the 'Favorite Covers' libraries for my Yamaha Montage synth, mainly because there is some good programming already done in the patches/Performances, and I want to save some time not having to program all of my Performances from scratch, where possible. I just checked out 'Favorite Covers 2' and it's quite well done overall. I was mainly looking for 'The Final Countdown' patch from that one (as is demoed in the 2nd half of this video above), although I will likely use Hungry Like the Wolf & the Cold Play patch as well. There were a few tweaks that I needed to make though, just in case any Montage/MODX owners buy this library and want to make it closer to Europe's original version. I was a bit surprised that PART6 had the Montage Preset waveforms 'XP Brass' down so low in volume & not up more as the main sound you here since that waveform is a perfect sample of the 'Stab Brass' voice from the Roland JX-8P synth that Europe's keyboard player uses for that main brass sound (layered with multiple unison FM brass sounds). Europe's version is somewhere between Narfsound's Montage & Kronos patches for that main brass sound. So, I brought the amplitude levels up on the Elements 1 & 2 'XP Brass' waveforms of PART6 (to 127 & 64 respectively), and it now sounds much closer to Europe's synths for that particular Main Brass sound. The other thing I noticed is that the D#2 note of PART4 is too loud, so I brought the volume of it down. The next thing I tweaked was PART8, which makes up part of the Ooo voice sound at the end of the intro. The 'Syn Vox' waveform in Element2 has too much whisper sound in it and not quite enough Ooo, so I added the 'F Huh Loud' waveform to Element3 to add more Ooo, brought the Ins A 'VCM EQ 501' effect's high shelf (EQ 5 Gain) down a bit on that PART8, and then took down the Amplitude Level of Element2 'Syn Vox'. Also, I enabled Portamento on both PART7 & 8, setting them to 'Fingered' with Time '52' and Time Mode 'Rate 1', since Europe's keyboardist is using Portamento on that sound. So, now I think the patch/Performance is very close to Europe's various synth sounds in that song, especially the main Stab Brass intro part & the Ooo voice sound. One final tweak that I haven't done yet, but definitely will be doing. I plan to take the Reverb send level down a bit on some of the sounds/PARTs, change the Variation send effect to be a 'single' Delay, and send the Main sound (PARTs 5 & 6) Var Send to it so that it has the same amount of delay effect that Europe's keyboardist is using...something that is missing in the 'Favorite Covers 2' patch. I may increase the Chorus Insert effects on some of the PARTs to make up for the lost additional chorus effect from the originally programmed Variation Effect, but only if necessary when comparing to Europe's original recording... Seeing as how the Montage/MODX have both a sample based engine and an FM-X engine, it's almost like they were custom built for this particular song since Europe's keyboard player is using a Roland JX-8P layered with a Yamaha TX816 FM rack-module. Looking at how I probably would have programmed that main sound if I did it myself from scratch, I would have used just the Stab Brass sound preset 'XP Brass' as a single Element in PART6 via the sample based engine with the 'Symphonic' Ins A effect, and I would have found the right FM-X engine (DX7) Brass sound, copied it to PART 5, then added a lot of the 'Symphonic' Ins A unison layering effect (6 layers) as well as EQ'd it for some fullness if necessary, and added the digital delay (single repeat) with a bit of reverb. Overall, this library and it's 'The Final Countdown' patch/Performance in particular, has saved me a great deal of time in programming, as it was much quicker to just tweak it since most of it was already there anyway & fairly well programmed too!
@reno78ful I have had a Kronos from 2012 and have bought 2 more since... I'm also the admin for the Kronos Enthusiast Workshops group on facebook so, admittedly I'm a bit biased. I'd say it's the best out there is the Kronos as it is a full workstation and the Montage is not. The Kronos has got the 9 synth engines, sequencer, audio hard-disk recorder, sampler, Karma and wave sequencing. And the best implemented Set List mode on any keyboard. The Montage is a top notch sample playback synth and a modernized FM synth with a myriad of control options. Not exactly in the same category as the Kronos but an excellent synth nonetheless.
Kronos of course. Thats´s why I have two of them. One at home and one in the rehearsel room. :-) Also have a MODX 7 and it is great, but if the Montage sounds like MODX, well! Kronos has much better organs, Leslies, brass, pianoes etc. But together they are a beast.
It's funny. I use to have a Triton and one day I opened it up to fix my floppy disk drive and I discovered Yamaha CPU electronic boards all through the keyboard. What one saying is they are one in the same. Just like Alesis is akaii Energizer is Duracell Ford is lincoln
Hey @bigmarxbeats I wonder when the consumers are going to realize this info you've shared here...the manufacturers are quite happy. I don't see them aggressively attacking each other's instrument. If you check it out, some of Yamaha samples are in that same Kronos, especially from the DX-7 era. Summary: the manufacturers collaborate more than we think...
Mismo bro... very nice.. Im amazed lalo na sa portamento rise... Paturo naman, Id like to apply it sa ibang synth, Thanks brother, keep it up, proud of you 👍👍👍
Simplicio Dosdos III no samples, all programmed within the Kronos’s AL1 engine. You may avail of this at www.narfsounds.com once I release the Session Gig Collection v9 which will be free to those who purchase v8.
The cronos has better sound quality but to my ears the montage version is closer to the original, especially the brass (even if the original was a roland). The brass on the cronos sucks...Difficult to arrange all that, involves a lot of stuff going on. Nice work man!
Kevbo Kev you cant have the exact same files though as each synth has its own sample set and each have their own methods of synthesis. Signal and effects processing are different and ultimately, the hardware is different. They will never sound exactly the same.
Currently I'm on a Korg M3-XP with all added RAM and the additional sound module (EXS i think it was). But the keyboard got old and I will buy a new one next month. I'm struggling between the Montage oder the Kronos and barely can't decide. I would go for the 73 keys version for each of them. Do you guys have some help? With the Kronos i would have the advantage, that I'm used to, at least a little bit, the UI. But I really don't know. Heaven help :-)
I'm sure you've likely already bought your new keyboard; however just in case you didn't, I had a similar struggle a few years back trying to decide between the Kronos and Montage. It was the Kronos guys on the Korg forum that convinced me that the Montage was more suited for what I wanted to do, because the Kronos polyphony is based on the lowest common denominator engine being used, whereas the Montage doubles the polyphony when adding the second engine. My use case is to sequence all the backing music and play most of the keyboard type sounds (piano, synth, pads, strings, etc.) live on the keys. They felt I would hit polyphony limits trying to do everything on one single keyboard (depending on what engines I used on the Kronos). So I bought the Montage and I have yet to have a note drop off with all 16 sounds playing at once. ;)
I thought I could replace my Kronos w a Montage. Not even close. Every sound was better on the Kronos side by side, especially the acoustic instruments and pianos. It’s not even in the same ballpark. You Yamaha fanboys need to play them side by side or just come to terms with your cognitive dissonance.
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That's the main reason I bought the set! Having fun Narf!
The Montage is 10 yrs ahead in the technology curve but still the Kronos is the BEAST. The workflow is very convoluted in the Kronos as it was in the M3 and the Triton before that and a huge learning curve for the average musician. If the Kronos even today simplifies and optimises it interface, includes a phrase / pattern sequencer, it can blow even today's flagships out of the water.
Korg is the GOD of synth metal!!!!
Ok, so I bought a few of the 'Favorite Covers' libraries for my Yamaha Montage synth, mainly because there is some good programming already done in the patches/Performances, and I want to save some time not having to program all of my Performances from scratch, where possible.
I just checked out 'Favorite Covers 2' and it's quite well done overall. I was mainly looking for 'The Final Countdown' patch from that one (as is demoed in the 2nd half of this video above), although I will likely use Hungry Like the Wolf & the Cold Play patch as well.
There were a few tweaks that I needed to make though, just in case any Montage/MODX owners buy this library and want to make it closer to Europe's original version.
I was a bit surprised that PART6 had the Montage Preset waveforms 'XP Brass' down so low in volume & not up more as the main sound you here since that waveform is a perfect sample of the 'Stab Brass' voice from the Roland JX-8P synth that Europe's keyboard player uses for that main brass sound (layered with multiple unison FM brass sounds). Europe's version is somewhere between Narfsound's Montage & Kronos patches for that main brass sound.
So, I brought the amplitude levels up on the Elements 1 & 2 'XP Brass' waveforms of PART6 (to 127 & 64 respectively), and it now sounds much closer to Europe's synths for that particular Main Brass sound.
The other thing I noticed is that the D#2 note of PART4 is too loud, so I brought the volume of it down.
The next thing I tweaked was PART8, which makes up part of the Ooo voice sound at the end of the intro. The 'Syn Vox' waveform in Element2 has too much whisper sound in it and not quite enough Ooo, so I added the 'F Huh Loud' waveform to Element3 to add more Ooo, brought the Ins A 'VCM EQ 501' effect's high shelf (EQ 5 Gain) down a bit on that PART8, and then took down the Amplitude Level of Element2 'Syn Vox'. Also, I enabled Portamento on both PART7 & 8, setting them to 'Fingered' with Time '52' and Time Mode 'Rate 1', since Europe's keyboardist is using Portamento on that sound.
So, now I think the patch/Performance is very close to Europe's various synth sounds in that song, especially the main Stab Brass intro part & the Ooo voice sound.
One final tweak that I haven't done yet, but definitely will be doing. I plan to take the Reverb send level down a bit on some of the sounds/PARTs, change the Variation send effect to be a 'single' Delay, and send the Main sound (PARTs 5 & 6) Var Send to it so that it has the same amount of delay effect that Europe's keyboardist is using...something that is missing in the 'Favorite Covers 2' patch. I may increase the Chorus Insert effects on some of the PARTs to make up for the lost additional chorus effect from the originally programmed Variation Effect, but only if necessary when comparing to Europe's original recording...
Seeing as how the Montage/MODX have both a sample based engine and an FM-X engine, it's almost like they were custom built for this particular song since Europe's keyboard player is using a Roland JX-8P layered with a Yamaha TX816 FM rack-module.
Looking at how I probably would have programmed that main sound if I did it myself from scratch, I would have used just the Stab Brass sound preset 'XP Brass' as a single Element in PART6 via the sample based engine with the 'Symphonic' Ins A effect, and I would have found the right FM-X engine (DX7) Brass sound, copied it to PART 5, then added a lot of the 'Symphonic' Ins A unison layering effect (6 layers) as well as EQ'd it for some fullness if necessary, and added the digital delay (single repeat) with a bit of reverb.
Overall, this library and it's 'The Final Countdown' patch/Performance in particular, has saved me a great deal of time in programming, as it was much quicker to just tweak it since most of it was already there anyway & fairly well programmed too!
Montage best of best in world
Amazing
Have both , love both, perfect live rig.
I completely agree Paddy Knott!
reno78ful Kronos
Montage
Krontage
@reno78ful I have had a Kronos from 2012 and have bought 2 more since... I'm also the admin for the Kronos Enthusiast Workshops group on facebook so, admittedly I'm a bit biased. I'd say it's the best out there is the Kronos as it is a full workstation and the Montage is not. The Kronos has got the 9 synth engines, sequencer, audio hard-disk recorder, sampler, Karma and wave sequencing. And the best implemented Set List mode on any keyboard. The Montage is a top notch sample playback synth and a modernized FM synth with a myriad of control options. Not exactly in the same category as the Kronos but an excellent synth nonetheless.
Complimenti per l'esibizione davvero bella e singolare
Two different versions of perfection.. That's all!
Yamaha Montage of course
Love the sound effects .
Kronos of course. Thats´s why I have two of them. One at home and one in the rehearsel room. :-) Also have a MODX 7 and it is great, but if the Montage sounds like MODX, well! Kronos has much better organs, Leslies, brass, pianoes etc. But together they are a beast.
You got a love this stuff!
Great programming
SOUNTH Deutsch thanks Tim
It's funny. I use to have a Triton and one day I opened it up to fix my floppy disk drive and I discovered Yamaha CPU electronic boards all through the keyboard. What one saying is they are one in the same. Just like
Alesis is akaii
Energizer is Duracell
Ford is lincoln
Hey @bigmarxbeats I wonder when the consumers are going to realize this info you've shared here...the manufacturers are quite happy. I don't see them aggressively attacking each other's instrument. If you check it out, some of Yamaha samples are in that same Kronos, especially from the DX-7 era. Summary: the manufacturers collaborate more than we think...
Awesome
Good for you that will choice between ones
Montage❤️ 2:03
MONTAGE IS THE BEST !!
Nice!
You can't just say "Kronos" because you own one. The better, more realistic and close to the original is the Montage 😉
Cool
Great job.
Montage 💪🏻
Love it! How can I learn this riff the easiest way?
By watching in slow motion
Extra❤
What monitor speakers are you using?
Mismo bro... very nice.. Im amazed lalo na sa portamento rise...
Paturo naman, Id like to apply it sa ibang synth,
Thanks brother, keep it up, proud of you 👍👍👍
Honorio Rafael Santamaria salamat Bro!
the brass on the kronos is so damn close to the jx8p brass
Ganda ng tunog bro...Ganda ng sample niya bro...paano mo po ginawa yung sample at tunog niya po bro Korg Kronos user din po ako....
Simplicio Dosdos III no samples, all programmed within the Kronos’s AL1 engine. You may avail of this at www.narfsounds.com once I release the Session Gig Collection v9 which will be free to those who purchase v8.
Montage win.
KORG METAL
❤❤
The cronos has better sound quality but to my ears the montage version is closer to the original, especially the brass (even if the original was a roland). The brass on the cronos sucks...Difficult to arrange all that, involves a lot of stuff going on. Nice work man!
Yes
kronos is the best
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
If it's the same exact files, just one made for Kronos and the other for Montage, there shouldn't be a single difference between the two of them.
Kevbo Kev you cant have the exact same files though as each synth has its own sample set and each have their own methods of synthesis. Signal and effects processing are different and ultimately, the hardware is different. They will never sound exactly the same.
Earned a sub.+like love it! Korg Kronos for me! Thanks!
Montage
Currently I'm on a Korg M3-XP with all added RAM and the additional sound module (EXS i think it was). But the keyboard got old and I will buy a new one next month. I'm struggling between the Montage oder the Kronos and barely can't decide. I would go for the 73 keys version for each of them. Do you guys have some help? With the Kronos i would have the advantage, that I'm used to, at least a little bit, the UI. But I really don't know. Heaven help :-)
If you’re used to the Korg workflow and prefer the quality of Korg sounds over Yamaha, go for the Kronos. I own 3 and I love them!
I'm sure you've likely already bought your new keyboard; however just in case you didn't, I had a similar struggle a few years back trying to decide between the Kronos and Montage. It was the Kronos guys on the Korg forum that convinced me that the Montage was more suited for what I wanted to do, because the Kronos polyphony is based on the lowest common denominator engine being used, whereas the Montage doubles the polyphony when adding the second engine. My use case is to sequence all the backing music and play most of the keyboard type sounds (piano, synth, pads, strings, etc.) live on the keys. They felt I would hit polyphony limits trying to do everything on one single keyboard (depending on what engines I used on the Kronos). So I bought the Montage and I have yet to have a note drop off with all 16 sounds playing at once. ;)
One question, what are the two sounds at 3:33 and do you know the original sounds used?
They’re custom sounds from both the FMX and AWM2 engines.
@@narfsounds Do they have specific names?
Are you sure it’s just 2?
@@gregaltenhofel7326 It might more, idk
How can I get the sound present for montage?
hareendra basnayake you buy it from www.narfsounds.com
Bro what is that sound on 3:25
Its a few layered and chorused saw waves going through a pitch envelope. I have a tutorial for that: ruclips.net/video/tg7ixg-7xNQ/видео.html
@@narfsounds thanks brother
you can also do it with glide between two octaves.
Montage!
How did you make the bell hit sound?
I would try it with some Bells of the Chromatic group, layered to a Choir of the group Ensemble or Synth Pad.
How do you make the pitch bend intro!?
I used the pitch EG: ruclips.net/video/tg7ixg-7xNQ/видео.html
hi buddy! Honestly which of the two do you prefer?
You'll find the answer here: instagram.com/narfsounds/?hl=en
KORG KRONOS IS THE BEST
Montage win 10 x5
Kronos. Hands down. Kronos is more organic, more "full".
I thought I could replace my Kronos w a Montage. Not even close. Every sound was better on the Kronos side by side, especially the acoustic instruments and pianos. It’s not even in the same ballpark. You Yamaha fanboys need to play them side by side or just come to terms with your cognitive dissonance.
Montage is better. 🏆🎹🎵
Монтаж лучше по некоторым звукам. Но у меня лично Кронос 🤣🤣🤣
Montage ze vest...
Kronos se saiu melhor🎹🎼❤
Montage>kronos