Swapping a Bigger Motor into my Planer. How Hard Could That Be?

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  • Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024

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  • @Balsamancnc
    @Balsamancnc Год назад +22

    A lot of comments regarding losing torque because Mat used the 1800 RPM motor instead of the 3600 RPM motor. I've done the math and the math proves that the speed and torque at the cutting head is the same no matter which 5 HP motor you use. I've simplified things just a little by using a 1:2 pulley ratio for the 1800 RPM motor and a 1:1 pulley ratio for a 3600 RPM motor, both resulting in 3600 RPM at the cutter. Notice from the math below that with either motor the cutting head speed and torque are identical. This is because the 5 HP, 1800 RPM motor produces twice the torque compared to the 5 HP, 3600 RPM motor. The formula for torque for a given HP is Torque=(HPx5252)/RPM. By the time you get to the cutting head, the torque and RPM are the same.
    5 HP, 1800 rpm Motor:
    Torque at motor shaft: Torque=(HPx5252)/RPM
    Torque at motor shaft = (5 HP x 5252)/1800 RPM
    Torque at motor shaft = 14.6 Ft-lbs
    Ratio: 1:2
    **RPM at cutter = 1800 motor RPM x ratio = 3600 RPM
    **Torque at cutter = 14.6 Ft-lbs / ratio = 7.3 ft-lbs
    5 HP, 3600 rpm Motor:
    Torque at motor shaft: Torque=(HPx5252)/RPM
    Torque at motor shaft = (5 HP x 5252)/3600 RPM
    Torque at motor shaft = 7.3 Ft-lbs
    Ratio: 1:1
    **RPM at cutter = 3600 motor RPM x ratio = 3600 RPM
    **Torque at cutter = 7.3 Ft-lbs / ratio = 7.3 ft-lbs

    • @karll.masoner6918
      @karll.masoner6918 Год назад

      So, the 5 hp motor designed to operate at 1800 rpm ended up (on paper) as zero net gain over the 3 hp motor but the 3 hp motor when in good operating condition. A free 5hp motor designed to operate at 3600 rpm would have provided double the torque in a dream world because the pulleys on the motor and cutter could have been sized to provide a 1:1 ratio. I’d have done the same thing. Free beats buying a new motor every time.

    • @Balsamancnc
      @Balsamancnc Год назад +4

      @@karll.masoner6918 I think you misunderstood Matt in the video. With the old motor, once he switch to the carbide cutting head, he could no longer cut 3/16" per pass like he could with the straight bladed head (carbide head requires more power) . Now that he has the 5 HP motor on there, he can cut 3/16" per pass with the carbide head. So the 3 HP could not cut 3/16" per pass, and the 5 HP can.

    • @johnbhancock
      @johnbhancock Год назад

      @@Balsamancnc That makes sense since the actual power delivered to the head will be increased by 20%.

    • @totalpkg6912
      @totalpkg6912 Год назад

      Makes sense

    • @rogerdudra178
      @rogerdudra178 Год назад

      Your assumption and it's mathematical foundation I'd wager Matt was already aware of.

  • @mattpeterson7074
    @mattpeterson7074 Год назад +29

    I love the addition of "Well, I've already replaced damn near everything on it. Might as well give it a new paint job with custom decals!"

  • @z06doc86
    @z06doc86 Год назад +33

    One of the reasons I like Matt and his channel so much is that he’s not afraid to tackle any problem or skill, be it woodworking, carpentry, mechanical, electrical, flooring/tile, using light to medium heavy machinery, etc. You name it, and Matt has the Nads to tackle it. 👍👍

  • @tayro7265
    @tayro7265 Год назад +2

    As a kid back in the 70's, I worked at a shop that made massive custom wood doors, tables, parts for yachts, you name it. If it was too big for anyone else, we did it.
    The shop had a 50" in the clear double sided thickness planer with shaping blades. Solid cast made by a T-rex or something. Mounted to what looked like ten coil springs from a one ton truck to the floor. It was well balanced but when it fired up it felt like the building moved.
    It would probably cost a million bucks to have one made today.
    Two weeks on the job I was watching a guy with years of working at that shop. One second he had two arms, the next he only had one. Ripped clean from the shoulder. Not near as much blood as you would think there would be. Poor SOB never passed out.
    I said screw it and went into AC/H&V.
    Aw the good ole days.

  • @joncorbett4021
    @joncorbett4021 Год назад +41

    As a UK joiner/woodworker, I thoroughly approve of the ‘thicknesser’ badge😂 Great build and really enjoyed the whole process. Nice one

    • @dougsaunders8109
      @dougsaunders8109 Год назад +12

      My wife insists it should be called a thinnesser…. After all the material gets thinner

    • @dougsaunders8109
      @dougsaunders8109 Год назад +3

      @Tobias Saibot well it does not make the wood thicker 🫣

    • @toolsarecool
      @toolsarecool Год назад +2

      But it brings it to a desired thickness, so there’s that argument. Since I have never heard anyone describe the thin-ness of a board… 😎
      Language is fun!

    • @gillie-monger3394
      @gillie-monger3394 Год назад +2

      You say Aluminium I say Aluminium...

    • @brianelliot2719
      @brianelliot2719 Год назад +3

      Perhaps it should be called a “Thinnerizer” 😊

  • @jaimecastells9750
    @jaimecastells9750 Год назад +36

    Matt, sorry it was so hard for you, but I have to admit that I love the gritty reality of your "Oops! It doesn't fit!" Seriously, real world projects of this sort ALWAYS have surprises and watching you work through your surprises is both educational and reassuring. "It's not just me!" Right?

  • @markreceveur1424
    @markreceveur1424 Год назад +4

    The magic clap resulting in a new paint job was hilarious. Well done. Looks great.

  • @WildmanTech
    @WildmanTech Год назад

    Good job Matt. A man after my own heart!

  • @alanlillich6738
    @alanlillich6738 Год назад

    Wow, what an adventure! Fun to read all the happy comments, the new paint job is killer!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад

      This is all your fault 😂😂

  • @willgriff
    @willgriff Год назад +8

    I've worked a thousand places in my life and been around those same motors my entire life and this is the only time anybody's ever showed me how they worked

  • @glennsiegel60
    @glennsiegel60 Год назад +4

    Matt, it great that you show how real life is doing a project! You just have to MAKE IT WORK! This is why I've been watching you for years...

  • @randallparker8477
    @randallparker8477 Год назад +2

    TOP NOTCH "side project"... (remanufacturing a very important industrial machine)! Very happy you did the paint and decals. Great work as always!

  • @sgsax
    @sgsax Год назад +3

    That was a fun journey, thanks for taking us along. Kind of surprised you didn't use the forks to help get the motor in place. 😁 Thanks for sharing!

  • @kenc2257
    @kenc2257 Год назад +5

    Nice job! You really went all-out on that red paint makeover for the planer (and those "factory" looking labels/placards).

  • @dave_in_florida
    @dave_in_florida Год назад +4

    Great job. Love the new paint color and especially the labeling and the 5HP, you don’t want to do all that work and not let everyone know it’s a five HP motor!!😊

  • @garyhome7101
    @garyhome7101 Год назад +6

    A chain fall would come in pretty handy for muscleing that motor around! Cool project. Super DIY!

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад +5

      But I’m far too lazy to dig mine out of my rigging box 😅

    • @sithus1966
      @sithus1966 Год назад +1

      I'm sure when he builds his new shop in the future, a gantry crane of some sort might be a thing.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад +2

      More room for getting the forklift around

    • @alanlillich6738
      @alanlillich6738 Год назад

      @@mcremona But not too lazy to shuck a 100 lb motor around multiple times. Good core exercise!

  • @HalfAssHomestead
    @HalfAssHomestead Год назад +9

    Personally, I like that red much better than the original green. The motor swap should also make a huge difference in the power consumption as well. Very educational and entertaining.

  • @greg6681
    @greg6681 Год назад

    The red looks great

  • @robertgeorge8166
    @robertgeorge8166 Год назад +10

    Another great job Matthew. Impressed and entertained who could ask for more. Well done 👍

  • @hendriksmit2069
    @hendriksmit2069 Год назад +5

    I really was impressed how you thought and effected the changes you had to make through. I personally learnt a lot. Thank you Mat 🇿🇦

  • @TheMonkdad
    @TheMonkdad Год назад +5

    This would have been a great opportunity to do a joint venture with Jeremy Fielding. I love learning new things.

  • @robertanderson2223
    @robertanderson2223 Год назад +7

    Very simply, YOU DA MAN!!! Love your personality and drive to complete a project even as curve balls are thrown at you. Bravo Matt!!

  • @DickvanZanten
    @DickvanZanten Год назад

    Hi Matt,
    Love your straight up honesty on that hickup! Not many guys would just show that, while the reality is that this kind of jobs just produce surprises.
    In your math, you forgot the belt losses that get larger on longer belts. But honesty demands to say thats no more than a few tenths of a percent😊.
    Bottom line, job's a good'n!

  • @dannettebouchee9887
    @dannettebouchee9887 Год назад

    Love the color change to red and went as far as painting your shoes red too awesome

  • @joyfilters
    @joyfilters Год назад +11

    I would recommend when doing it this type of repair, would be to check the rpm at the drive pulley. That way you can verify your getting 5000 RPM. They sell those meters everywhere and are simple to use.

    • @jimyarno606
      @jimyarno606 Год назад

      When you change the pulley on the motor, did you go with a pulley that was twice? The diameter are twice the circumference. Another reason to check for 5000 RPM at cutterhead.

  • @HoneyHollowHomestead
    @HoneyHollowHomestead Год назад +2

    LOVE the paint job! 😄

  • @toms.3977
    @toms.3977 Год назад

    I feel just like that dude on A-Team. I love it when a plan comes together. Great work, Matt. You have a good head on your shoulders and you're a pleasure to watch. Thanks!

  • @ifiwooddesigns
    @ifiwooddesigns Год назад +1

    LOL! I thought it spun backwards the first time you turned it on because of the fan direction. 🤣

  • @TheLindsay720
    @TheLindsay720 Год назад

    Oh cute. You and Spags both have red Vans. The thicknesser looks good red too!

  • @dnngskn62
    @dnngskn62 Год назад +2

    Nicely done Matt. Really enjoyed this one.

  • @MrDoodsie56
    @MrDoodsie56 Год назад +1

    You keep my wife and I laughing a lot, Matt. Love your videos. ~Dale.

  • @bobleeswoodshop7919
    @bobleeswoodshop7919 Год назад

    Hey Matt, thanks for sharing your adventures, I really enjoyed seeing your side project and the way you had too think about what your next move was, I have had my side project too both at home and work . I have been thinking about things like that for all of my life. I was the guy that had to make something work when everybody else couldn’t. Everything from trailers to electric, cars trucks,woodworking.even welding and things made from steel. Even snowplows! My Dad saw my talents working on things like that. Best Regards Bob Lee

  • @daveengstrom9250
    @daveengstrom9250 Год назад +1

    I gotta hand it to you, that was quite a project. You are an all around handy man. Love the paint job.

  • @elainedegoede6276
    @elainedegoede6276 Год назад +1

    Love watching all your handy works. Just glad I don't have to do it though. Love the red color and your name on it too.💕🙏

  • @marlenemeinhard8956
    @marlenemeinhard8956 Год назад +1

    Matt, another great video. Love the new red color for the new updated planer, I enjoyed the details on your changes made to fix it. I approve of your matching sneakers too. Being a women, I see you don't have many of us fascinated with machines like this, and commenting. On your sawmilling yes. I got to learn about the planer and use it when helping to make cabinets and furniture, flooring. I love working with wood. Recently spent 6 hours helping my friend sawing slabs on his newly built sawmill. A outdoor kitchen is the project now for his Beautiful pagoda. Thanks again for an interestng hour. Look forward to next videos.

  • @kevinoconnell9856
    @kevinoconnell9856 Год назад +1

    Thanks for all your help with questions about my motor swap and problems I might have. My motor is inverted and hanging, and these 5hp are heavy.

  • @inspectr1949
    @inspectr1949 Год назад +1

    Matt amazing talent, you get done in a fraction of the time while others are still only scratch their heads.

  • @huntz3215
    @huntz3215 Год назад

    Cooked the motor on a 40yr old Bandsaw - replaced it but then found Switch box to be suss so now use remote powerpoint. Learning can be fun. Nice work on the refit.

  • @johnbhancock
    @johnbhancock Год назад

    Great video Matt (as per usual). I went through pretty much the same exercise myself a few months ago. The little woman her indoors picked up a 15" generic second hand, ex school. Was labeled Wellington but pretty much the same as the old Grizzly. It had a 5H three phase but I don't have 3 phase. My son had a spare 5H single phase but half the speed and larger size and shaft. I had to make up a new mounting plate, fit a new pully (doubled the size on the motor to compensate for the speed difference) fit a new switch and reverse the motor. The pulley cover did fit - just! He also gave me a soft start which means less stress on startup. I also had to add a 20A (240V here in Australia) circuit which I put in the ceiling with a pendant 20A socket. Was a LOT of graft but got there in the end. It now works like a bought one.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад +1

      Hahaha that’s pretty much the same experience!

  • @jeanhawken4482
    @jeanhawken4482 Год назад +1

    Always good fun watching your creativity

  • @WilfredEllerbeck
    @WilfredEllerbeck Год назад

    Very informative and enjoyable as always.

  • @jimrumsey8077
    @jimrumsey8077 Год назад

    Love the color. When I rebuild my 20 inch planer after my shop fire. I was thinking about painting it red.

  • @denisoriordan6739
    @denisoriordan6739 Год назад

    Those taper lock pulley adapters take me back 30 years. Never want to see em again. And your electricity supply?
    Nice job Matt.

  • @johnmooney9016
    @johnmooney9016 Год назад +2

    Great video, this is a massive project to take on for me with limited metal works and no welding experience as of yet. I love the color change, pretty cool!

  • @josefzevenenveertig3853
    @josefzevenenveertig3853 Год назад +1

    Hi Matt i think you can make everything, nice work all of your video's.

  • @lucvidon1740
    @lucvidon1740 Год назад

    Very interesting project. Congratulations 💪💪💪

  • @bobmcdougal738
    @bobmcdougal738 Год назад +1

    Good video. I have completed similar projects in the past. Your video helped me to remember why I stopped doing that type project. It was entertaining. Thank you.

  • @camhutch8149
    @camhutch8149 Год назад

    Love the attitude, makes for a great watch ✌️

  • @johndavies2396
    @johndavies2396 Год назад

    Great video and super colour option

  • @jamesfreda1903
    @jamesfreda1903 Год назад

    I like your work ethics and your sense of humor. It's always interesting to see what you come up with.

  • @TheVagineWhisperer
    @TheVagineWhisperer Год назад +2

    Amazing work, love these kind of DIY videos

  • @mriguy3202
    @mriguy3202 Год назад

    that's a wonderful tool. Having pride in your tools is a mark of a good craftsman, even if it's more than needed or a little silly. LocTite on your threads is your friend.

  • @BEM684
    @BEM684 Год назад

    Woah those risers are next LVL.

  • @sueswift8344
    @sueswift8344 Год назад

    Your planer-thingy is way over my head (like outer space) , but this bored granny enjoys the hell out of anything you do on your videos , Matt!😮

  • @robertnorris1808
    @robertnorris1808 Год назад +1

    Matthew, you make this video so entertaining to watch. Not only do we see how to do what you did we also get to see when you make a mistake. If this had been me doing what you did that machine would still be in parts sitting in some corner under wraps...lol As always another fun and enjoyable video. Love the red color, it looks way better than that dull green.

  • @suzylarry1
    @suzylarry1 Год назад

    sounds like one of my projects, fix one thing so I can fix the thing I was wanting to use . It's a viscous circle. Paint job and sticker , ICEING ON THE CAKE.

  • @edwardsimmons3721
    @edwardsimmons3721 Год назад

    Hey like the colors on the new planer. Free is always a great price for a motor especially 5 hp.

  • @georgekornfeld5168
    @georgekornfeld5168 Год назад +2

    Great job and explanation. My neighbor has the same welding table,he had basically the same problems you had with trying to level the surface for welding. He sanded it down. Just use it just a little bit in few spots.

  • @mlt6322
    @mlt6322 Год назад

    I like the video caption, May the force be strong with this device.

  • @MichaelNatrin
    @MichaelNatrin Год назад +1

    Whoa impressive paint job!

  • @rogerdudra178
    @rogerdudra178 Год назад

    Greetings from the BIG SKY. I'm liking your approach to putting a big motor on your planer.

  • @randymccabe7442
    @randymccabe7442 Год назад +1

    YOU MADE IT WORK …IM IMPRESSED.. CONGRATS!

  • @MikeC19100
    @MikeC19100 Год назад +1

    That’s a lot of work with the expected “OOPS” moments like we all have had at various times. At the end of the day you got it working similar to what you had before and especially that it now removes 50% more material than it did before so it’s a positive step forward regardless. At least you have the system running at an acceptable rate and can get some work done so that’s a plus too.

  • @j.6756
    @j.6756 Год назад

    I had a similar problem with motor height. I made a right angle mount, 2 x 1/4" plates and 2 triangular end buttresses, with the motor mounted sideways on the vertical plane. Much easier to mount that way. Instead of standard "v belts", I switched to the "link belts" from Lee Valley. Better power transmission, quieter and easily adjustable if you ever need to have different belt lengths.

  • @SciPunk215
    @SciPunk215 Год назад +3

    What a great upgrade, and a great video!
    It will probably be fine, but I think those LVLs get a lot more strength when they're oriented 90 degrees from where they are now, so the lamination runs vertically.

    • @erinmoore9681
      @erinmoore9681 Год назад +5

      The layers of lamination allow for a high compressive strength as well as shear strength. Matt’s good

    • @bushmaster2936
      @bushmaster2936 Год назад

      They're being used as spacers. He's fine and will sleep like a baby with no fear of the spacers collapsing.....ever.

  • @MichaelNatrin
    @MichaelNatrin Год назад +1

    Fantastic video! Must've been such a relief to get it all back together and put it to work. 🛠️

  • @rogerdudra178
    @rogerdudra178 Год назад

    I'm sure glad the fishing is good around here.

  • @WonkyStud
    @WonkyStud Год назад

    I just subbed and immediately liked the fact that your shop is as cluttered as mine, feels like coming home!

  • @glenmcarroll
    @glenmcarroll Год назад

    This might be favorite video of yours yet!!!! I have a 20" king that has a lot of the same parts. The previous owner had put in a 5 horse . i have learned a ton from this video i am going use this as my reference for the maintenance that this workhorse needs . Cheers and thanks.

  • @williamweddington3140
    @williamweddington3140 10 месяцев назад

    A man of many talents!

  • @mikewallace2583
    @mikewallace2583 Год назад

    All Superhero's have capes, where is your cape? Your amazing....Thanks for the video.

  • @billk8780
    @billk8780 Год назад +1

    Matt,
    Excellent outcome. Glad you have all that hair because I'll bet you pulled some out at different times during this retrofit. All the best!

  • @TrevorDennis100
    @TrevorDennis100 Год назад

    A common trick in the lab where I worked was to throw a charged electrolytic to a buddy and shout 'CATCH!'. It was reflex to try to catch it, and if your hand shorts the terminals while doing so, it was like touch an electric fence. I remember a genuine accident on the bench across from me where a bunch of big electrolytics in parallel exploded throwing bits of casing and brown paper around the lab. When I think of the stunts we all got up to, it's a wonder no one was seriously hurt. Spinning up a bearing with an airline and dropping it on the ground was a good one. Even having bugger all grip on the concrete floor, the bearing would still be doing a fair old lick by the time it hit the wall.

  • @aysegunes3897
    @aysegunes3897 Год назад

    Amazing video

  • @danielcolby7293
    @danielcolby7293 Год назад +1

    love the paint…my dad always called it the capacitor, I know now that it’s correctly called the start capacitor. makes more sense that way thanx!

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Год назад +1

      This motor has two capacitors. It is unlikely they are both for starting the motor. One is probably a run capacitor. Either start, or run, they're both just capacitors though. So I'd say your Dad was right to just call it a capacitor.

    • @danielcolby7293
      @danielcolby7293 Год назад

      @@1pcfred ah…he usually was! thanx. he was a machinist at the rowland institute for science and introduced me to the founder, edwin land back in late 80s. everyone associated with that place was fairly brilliant he said ✌️

  • @glennsiegel60
    @glennsiegel60 Год назад

    wow great paint job..

  • @freetorobandloot
    @freetorobandloot Год назад

    I thoroughly enjoyed this video.

  • @johnhurt1583
    @johnhurt1583 Год назад +1

    Great paint job

  • @timziegler9358
    @timziegler9358 Год назад +1

    You are awesome! Great job! Best wishes.

  • @xmas4203
    @xmas4203 Год назад +1

    That was a fun project. I respect a guy that doesn't give up. I would have said eff it and bought a motor for that model "thicknesser". 😁
    PS. The new decals rock the casbah!

  • @anthonygasparini1734
    @anthonygasparini1734 Год назад

    Great video, Matt!

  • @bay9876
    @bay9876 Год назад +1

    Bringing in a more powerful electric motor as long as the bearings and cutting assembly can handle it is smart. All things said, if the output is better and easier to do while saving time then go for that bigger electric motor. Thanks for the Video.

  • @fleurdelune5240
    @fleurdelune5240 Год назад

    I'm impressed! ❤❤

  • @ejtakach
    @ejtakach Год назад

    Quite the rabbit hole!

  • @cecillasiter3260
    @cecillasiter3260 Год назад

    Great video and job well done. I like the new color.

  • @TheCanadaman1
    @TheCanadaman1 Год назад

    Matt, you should always put the cover plate on the capacitor when checking the motor. Those things can go off like a bomb!

  • @pbates33
    @pbates33 Год назад +1

    under the tape on the winding connection to the blue wire, there might be a thermal fuse that blew in the old motor winding. simple check across with multi-meter might show your thermal fuse might have blown. I have seen that in other motors. Good luck, if not it's a boat anchor. ;-)

    • @1pcfred
      @1pcfred Год назад

      The winding was burnt. He wanted a more powerful motor anyways.

  • @markbrown6236
    @markbrown6236 Год назад

    Nice job. Glad you did the paint job, those LVL spacers would of set off my OCD.
    Especially the one with the painted end.

  • @charliemiller6401
    @charliemiller6401 Год назад

    Is there anything that Matt can't do? Talented guy.

  • @JamesMorganandsonAndrew
    @JamesMorganandsonAndrew Год назад

    a man of many talents

  • @drjonritz
    @drjonritz Год назад

    Love the decals!

  • @mdaddyw_1323
    @mdaddyw_1323 Год назад +14

    Why does it feel like this is how every "free" used tool, appliance, etc. works out? Several hours and a couple hundred bucks later, you got your free used item.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад +13

      That’s how it works

    • @cv990a4
      @cv990a4 Год назад +7

      That's why they say that oftentimes, "free" is the most expensive option.
      Unless you're making content!

    • @bobweiram6321
      @bobweiram6321 Год назад +4

      I see what you mean. It invariably turns into an excuse to buy more tools.

    • @tomahoks
      @tomahoks Год назад

      At least the motor was free. 🤷🏼

  • @glennsiegel60
    @glennsiegel60 Год назад

    LOL of course, I feel you! I'd tighten up those belts...

  • @bmc5108
    @bmc5108 Год назад

    Red looks great.

  • @adadventuresontimbermounta6764

    keep on learning,i wood have done the same
    a&d adventures on timber mountain

  • @philstevens9914
    @philstevens9914 Год назад +2

    Matt: I used to only look for machines with single phase motors due to only having single phase power in my basement shop. VFDs are getting to where thy will handle bigger and bigger motors so you can easily handle (and better control) machines with 3 phase motors. If in the future you go for a wide belt sander for example, this might be an answer.

    • @mcremona
      @mcremona  Год назад

      Yes, that’s how I run my sawmill motors and my bridgeport

  • @bryancunningham1095
    @bryancunningham1095 Год назад

    Good job Matthew on fixing and overcoming this motors many unforseen challenges, wow did this motor fall off the back of the truck during shipment or what.

  • @dansarfert3585
    @dansarfert3585 Год назад

    Surely no mistake the shoes match the thicknessers' new color. Classic detail-oriented Matt!

  • @andygienapp3253
    @andygienapp3253 Год назад +1

    Gotta' say, you said "red" and I thought, "NOOOOOOO!" but it turned out really sharp! (Pun intended.) Looks great.

  • @alanblasczyk1779
    @alanblasczyk1779 Год назад

    Excellent job Matt...well done my friend !