Any discs you're having an existential crisis with in your bag right now? Always good to get some reassurance lol. Also, SO close to missing the daily, but 7m before midnight MST, WE LIVE! :)
In the same boat man. I've got a max weight glow envy, and proton envy. I use both for off the tee, and they almost do exactly the same thing. Prism plasma Envy & Solf Neutron Envy I've been wanting to try so bad though. Guess I'll have a bag full of putters 😂
I'm working on the same thing as well. I have an Opto X Pure, Proton Envy, Slammer, and a harp. The way I separate them is based on forehand/ backhand vs approach/distance.
Yep im strugglin with my 9 speeds, im trying to use thunderbirds in different plastics but im noticing i miss my Lots a.... fair bit. definitely think you should try out the lots in your cd1 slot btw crazy good disc
I used to bag both an envy and a pure but I kicked out the pure and now I bag a bunch of envies in different stages of wear. Try an electron envy. My favorite flippy putter
I had similar problems. Bagged opto pures for 8+ years. When envy came out I rocked the pure-envy combo for the longest time but then tried a proxy couple of years ago. Still love pures but eventually proxy kicked them out😢 I just like the MVP/Axiom plastic options so much more. My first ever neutron envy is still in the bag after like 7-8 years and it is a thing of beaty. Started very os and now it has pretty much 0 fade but no turn either. A new neutron proxy flies like a beat in opto pure and eventually beats in to a sweet turnover putter. Gave away my opto pures to friends who are new to the game since it is an awesome disc to start and learn how to drive with a putter.
Love this video! I feel for the dilemma your going through, so many good discs out there too. I personally run an Envy, Proxy, Zone combo for my throwing putters but find myself not going to the Proxy as much as the other 2. I also bought one of your shatterred van envy's a while ago and couldn't bag it as it was a basically a zone for me haha Thanks for the content and good luck with your decision.
I like pure so much! It just goes the line you put it on, if not much wind. If u want to bigger distance just get domy fuse. Exactly like pure but much more glide.
I would recommend watching Gannon Buhrs in the bag video. I know this sounds simple but something I found helpful whenever I play tournaments is just trusting and loving the disc in my hand. Gannon has a unique in the bag in the sense of he bags very few molds but has a significant amount of faith in those discs so he never says “oh that disc flew differently than I expected” it’s always I threw that shot wrong. Might help you with comfort.
Love comi g back and watching the reviews sometomes. Just got a new rebirth envy from a local tourny. First envy ive ever thrown. I loved the z flx kratos.
I'm having the same problem with the opto pure and fission envy until I realized I need that envy for low ceiling shots that fade or low ceiling flex shots. The opto pure needs air under the disc to achieve that
I didn’t think I would love the axiom Tempo as much as I did after the circuit challenge. I bag toro and envy’s. The tempo went right in my bag after the challenge. It’s comfy forehand and back. Consistent
If you want a really great overstable throwing putter I recommend picking up a sublime profit from Mint discs the next time they drop. They are like a slightly more overstable envy and don't really beat in. Super awesome throwing putter.
I just got a slightly lighter zone, in photon plastic (which I didn’t know existed) and I’m loving it in my bag, much straighter than my z zone. Other than that I bag the new tour series Luna, and a real beat up Maiden as all my throwing putters
My Envys overlapped with my mids. I really started to notice once I broke the 450’ mark distance wise. I switched them out for Wizards to have something slower flying and haven’t looked back. I think you are good with the pure and zone.
Putter line zone is awesome once it beats in. If my glow envy is a 3 3 0 2 then my beat putter line zone is 4 2 -1 2. Can get it to go straighter before hyzering and I like that flight more personally.
Had a putter line Zone, quickly became rather straight for me with remnants of that Zone stability in comparison to my Get Freaky, but definitely a really close flight to my Proton Envy, and it didn't get any real puddle top which I know you would be a fan of
I took my proton envy out after I got good with a 350g PX-3 and an MVP atom. Between those 2 I have every putter shot. This is where MIDS have become a lost art in most bags. Mids arent just for 300+ holes. It can make 250-300 foot holes easy peasy due to having to throw more controlled without worrying about the disc "getting there". Also, my putting putters (classic hybrid judges) are always there if I need something inbetween.
Paul is arguably one of the best putter throwers in the game, he bags premium Luna, a base Luna and a zone as his throwing putters. The Luna isn’t super stable but he works the angle of release to get multiple shots from one disc. Myself, a 915 rated am, like to bag multiple discs that are slightly different stabilities to make up for my lack of angle control.
My throwing putters are: Pure Zero hard for my dead straight shots, Star Avair3 for the straight with slight finish and Halo AvairX3 for my straight with os finish. My x3 pushed out my zone. My halo x3 just finishes more consistent for me.
I think you should FOR SURE try both a baseline Zone and also try and Electron Envy. I know it may just cause more confusion but I think the baseline Envy is the best. It’s what I go for over my Opto-X Pure nine times out of ten. I bag essentially the same putter lineup as you too.
Love the content! Love the progression. Id be curious to hear kinda how all this started for you. When did you feel like your mechanics & game started clicking? Keep throwing bombs man. You give me hope of getting better haha. Was hoping you were gonna be @ idlewild. Take care brother.
Hey Anthony...I wanted to let you know I was in the same position with my envy/zone combo. BROOOOOO get yourself a Tempo it is a perfect fit to replace both. Trust me man love ya
My existential crisis is realizing I want to go practice, but am too sore from yesterdays fieldwork todo so. Also I lost my favorite halo destroyer that went 30-50 ft further than every other distance driver I had last week on my local course. :P
Just bought an Ecplise Envy and I just putt my Suspect and Star Roc on the shelf to see If I miss them, since the Envy intrudes on their territory for sure... but I really want them ALL! :P Also put the Roc3 on the shelft since my new fuzion-X eMac Truth and my old fuzion dont really need it inbetween... :P But the Jokeri sticks still since haven't compared it to the Envy in a stiff af headwind and love it on chip forehand approaces... :P
You sound like you need a beat in Zero Hard Harp. The thing is, they take a long time to really beat in compared to softer plastic ones or base plastic Zones.
Proxy has the potential to kick out both the pure and the envy. Love the pure but proxy fights the wind better. Im still baging both but find myself throwing proxy more often. Zero medium pure is the best for touchy approaches. Love your channell 👍
I'm with you. I like all low profile Gyro putters, and Pures are fantastic fliers as well but if I had to pick only one thrower it would be a soft Neutron Proxy.
A few months ago I also kicked out my envy, between my slammer and proxy there's just too few holes it's needed. Really it's better for me to not bag it.
I bag 3 pures(2 zero medium for putting and 1 opto for driving) and 5 zones(2 normal and 3 OS in different plastics.) Can't praise those discs enough.....
You seem to throw that glow envy extremely well. What's the point of kicking it out so you can make something else work for those shots? My outlook is just, I mesh better with some discs. For you, the pathfinder, strike, CD1, glow envy just always seem to do what you want them to. Seems to me like you're a player who likes those more neutral shots that you can tweak with a bit of angle. Bag em yo!
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Any discs you're having an existential crisis with in your bag right now? Always good to get some reassurance lol. Also, SO close to missing the daily, but 7m before midnight MST, WE LIVE! :)
In the same boat man. I've got a max weight glow envy, and proton envy. I use both for off the tee, and they almost do exactly the same thing.
Prism plasma Envy & Solf Neutron Envy I've been wanting to try so bad though. Guess I'll have a bag full of putters 😂
DGA breaker
@@uncletractor7977breakers are the best, working on beating a pl one in to replace my wonky zone
I'm working on the same thing as well. I have an Opto X Pure, Proton Envy, Slammer, and a harp.
The way I separate them is based on forehand/ backhand vs approach/distance.
Yep im strugglin with my 9 speeds, im trying to use thunderbirds in different plastics but im noticing i miss my Lots a.... fair bit. definitely think you should try out the lots in your cd1 slot btw crazy good disc
Nothing better than getting home from work and watching bodanza
I used to bag both an envy and a pure but I kicked out the pure and now I bag a bunch of envies in different stages of wear. Try an electron envy. My favorite flippy putter
I had similar problems.
Bagged opto pures for 8+ years. When envy came out I rocked the pure-envy combo for the longest time but then tried a proxy couple of years ago. Still love pures but eventually proxy kicked them out😢 I just like the MVP/Axiom plastic options so much more. My first ever neutron envy is still in the bag after like 7-8 years and it is a thing of beaty. Started very os and now it has pretty much 0 fade but no turn either. A new neutron proxy flies like a beat in opto pure and eventually beats in to a sweet turnover putter.
Gave away my opto pures to friends who are new to the game since it is an awesome disc to start and learn how to drive with a putter.
Love this video! I feel for the dilemma your going through, so many good discs out there too.
I personally run an Envy, Proxy, Zone combo for my throwing putters but find myself not going to the Proxy as much as the other 2. I also bought one of your shatterred van envy's a while ago and couldn't bag it as it was a basically a zone for me haha Thanks for the content and good luck with your decision.
Im bagging 2 envys. 1 in neutron for overstable slot and then 1 in electron firm for straight slot. Just an amazing disc
I like pure so much! It just goes the line you put it on, if not much wind. If u want to bigger distance just get domy fuse. Exactly like pure but much more glide.
I would recommend watching Gannon Buhrs in the bag video. I know this sounds simple but something I found helpful whenever I play tournaments is just trusting and loving the disc in my hand. Gannon has a unique in the bag in the sense of he bags very few molds but has a significant amount of faith in those discs so he never says “oh that disc flew differently than I expected” it’s always I threw that shot wrong. Might help you with comfort.
Love comi g back and watching the reviews sometomes. Just got a new rebirth envy from a local tourny. First envy ive ever thrown. I loved the z flx kratos.
I was just thinking about this while watching your tournament prep video.
I just got the new MVP watt, and went right out and shredded my local par 3 course with it. It’s so point and shoot.
I'm having the same problem with the opto pure and fission envy until I realized I need that envy for low ceiling shots that fade or low ceiling flex shots. The opto pure needs air under the disc to achieve that
I didn’t think I would love the axiom Tempo as much as I did after the circuit challenge. I bag toro and envy’s. The tempo went right in my bag after the challenge. It’s comfy forehand and back. Consistent
I bag a prism plasma envy and love it.
If you want a really great overstable throwing putter I recommend picking up a sublime profit from Mint discs the next time they drop. They are like a slightly more overstable envy and don't really beat in. Super awesome throwing putter.
I just got a slightly lighter zone, in photon plastic (which I didn’t know existed) and I’m loving it in my bag, much straighter than my z zone. Other than that I bag the new tour series Luna, and a real beat up Maiden as all my throwing putters
Envy finally came out of my bag, the Jawbreaker zone and my Luna putters were overlapping. Totally forgot I even took it out until this video
My Envys overlapped with my mids. I really started to notice once I broke the 450’ mark distance wise. I switched them out for Wizards to have something slower flying and haven’t looked back. I think you are good with the pure and zone.
Putter line zone is awesome once it beats in. If my glow envy is a 3 3 0 2 then my beat putter line zone is 4 2 -1 2. Can get it to go straighter before hyzering and I like that flight more personally.
The best content creator out there. Once I get out of school I have the same dream as you Anthony. Let’s make it a reality! Seeya on the lead card!
Had a putter line Zone, quickly became rather straight for me with remnants of that Zone stability in comparison to my Get Freaky, but definitely a really close flight to my Proton Envy, and it didn't get any real puddle top which I know you would be a fan of
Should come to St. Louis for the St. Louis open in September.
I took my proton envy out after I got good with a 350g PX-3 and an MVP atom. Between those 2 I have every putter shot. This is where MIDS have become a lost art in most bags. Mids arent just for 300+ holes. It can make 250-300 foot holes easy peasy due to having to throw more controlled without worrying about the disc "getting there". Also, my putting putters (classic hybrid judges) are always there if I need something inbetween.
I have slightly used ohm and it'''s so straight.I like it's better than Glow proxy I had. My stable throwing putter is stabilizer.
The classic problem of loving too many discs
Paul is arguably one of the best putter throwers in the game, he bags premium Luna, a base Luna and a zone as his throwing putters. The Luna isn’t super stable but he works the angle of release to get multiple shots from one disc. Myself, a 915 rated am, like to bag multiple discs that are slightly different stabilities to make up for my lack of angle control.
My throwing putters are: Pure Zero hard for my dead straight shots, Star Avair3 for the straight with slight finish and Halo AvairX3 for my straight with os finish. My x3 pushed out my zone. My halo x3 just finishes more consistent for me.
I think you should FOR SURE try both a baseline Zone and also try and Electron Envy. I know it may just cause more confusion but I think the baseline Envy is the best. It’s what I go for over my Opto-X Pure nine times out of ten.
I bag essentially the same putter lineup as you too.
Im also having an envy issue, issue being i just dont use it much and considering proxy instead. Looking forward to the tempo though.
Another banger video by Bodanza
That pure reminds me a lot of a proxy. It’s not a “flippy” disc but it will hold any line you put it on.
Try the new Opto-Ice Orbit pures when they release? That plastic have been more overstable than other plastics from the molds i have tried so far!
Love the content! Love the progression. Id be curious to hear kinda how all this started for you. When did you feel like your mechanics & game started clicking? Keep throwing bombs man. You give me hope of getting better haha. Was hoping you were gonna be @ idlewild. Take care brother.
The Lat 74 Savior has been amazing in my bad
Have you tired the total eclipse envys? (the ones were the rims glow too) They are the most stable plastic type.
Stack a Pure against a Proxy, similar discs but for me my proxy drops straight but the pure has a little finish.
Hey Anthony...I wanted to let you know I was in the same position with my envy/zone combo. BROOOOOO get yourself a Tempo it is a perfect fit to replace both. Trust me man love ya
My existential crisis is realizing I want to go practice, but am too sore from yesterdays fieldwork todo so. Also I lost my favorite halo destroyer that went 30-50 ft further than every other distance driver I had last week on my local course. :P
Loving five discs from the same category and knowing there’s no excuse to bag more than one is a cannon event😂
Make the pure a proxy and you just described my exact dilemma…
Def try out the base line zone. They gain glide as they beat in and feel/fly better than the envy on forehand.
But also check out a baseline envy 😂
I personally bag:
Glow proxy
Glow envy
Jawbreaker zone
Esp zone
Try it! Dont need anything more
My beat in plasma Envy is the last disc I would ever take out of my bag. It is the disc I would be most sad if I lost.
Are you going to be at dglow ?
Just bought an Ecplise Envy and I just putt my Suspect and Star Roc on the shelf to see If I miss them, since the Envy intrudes on their territory for sure... but I really want them ALL! :P Also put the Roc3 on the shelft since my new fuzion-X eMac Truth and my old fuzion dont really need it inbetween... :P But the Jokeri sticks still since haven't compared it to the Envy in a stiff af headwind and love it on chip forehand approaces... :P
You sound like you need a beat in Zero Hard Harp. The thing is, they take a long time to really beat in compared to softer plastic ones or base plastic Zones.
Proxy has the potential to kick out both the pure and the envy. Love the pure but proxy fights the wind better. Im still baging both but find myself throwing proxy more often. Zero medium pure is the best for touchy approaches. Love your channell 👍
I'm with you. I like all low profile Gyro putters, and Pures are fantastic fliers as well but if I had to pick only one thrower it would be a soft Neutron Proxy.
@@axlespelledwrong soft neutron is my choice too. 👍
A few months ago I also kicked out my envy, between my slammer and proxy there's just too few holes it's needed. Really it's better for me to not bag it.
Throw a Neutron Soft Envy. They seem to retain stability better than the other plastics.
If you are looking for an overstable envy, go with the new run of the fission envy.
I’ve got like eight putters in the bag 😂 do I need them all? Maybe not but when I do I’m all set
I bag 3 pures(2 zero medium for putting and 1 opto for driving) and 5 zones(2 normal and 3 OS in different plastics.) Can't praise those discs enough.....
It seems like your envy is perfectly in the midddle of zone, pure, pathfinder, and ultra
Bag a pig! A blizzard champ pig to be exact it's the best approach disc ever!
my 2 cents: get a total eclipse envy. theyre the most overstable but i still think its different enough from your zone.
Listen just get another eclipse envy my guy. You know as well as I do that’s the best putter on the market.
I would do proxy, envy (1 or 2), and then zone if I were you.
Pure plus Envy just works for me. I have no use for the over stable slot.
P3x is the perfect disc for you
My Envy's are flipper than my zones for sure. That's my neutral putter.
Fission envy, my soft proton envy is pretty straight.
Why not use an Electron Envy instead of the Pure in that slot? And then bag a fresh glow or Plazma Envy then Zone.
You seem to throw that glow envy extremely well. What's the point of kicking it out so you can make something else work for those shots? My outlook is just, I mesh better with some discs. For you, the pathfinder, strike, CD1, glow envy just always seem to do what you want them to. Seems to me like you're a player who likes those more neutral shots that you can tweak with a bit of angle. Bag em yo!
My crisis is different. I'll get a flippy driver, start to learn it, get confident, then shank it into the river.
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Need to stop messing around with the Envy and just throw a Proton Atom.
Just get a new glow Envy.
I bag glow Reko glow envy and z zone PYRO
Your putting looks so different in this video, are you trying to change something?
Pp envy lolol
2023 otb open prism proton soft envys are 🧈🧈🧈
Westside Discs Swan 2 is better than the Pure. Don't @ me. 🦢💪