UNCLOBBERING 1 Corinthians 6:9 in 60 seconds
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- 🏳️🌈You have heard it said that you cannot be both GAY and CHRISTIAN, but I say to you: phew, I’m glad the people who told you that are not actually in charge of such things!! 🏳️🌈
Most of the time this claim comes down to an erroneous and anachronistic understanding of a letter Paul wrote to the church in Corinth and to his friend, Timothy. In it, Paul names several things he believed to be incompatible with this new way of being human. In that list he identifies specific sex acts (aka, exploitative and transactional) between two men as being not compatible with the Kingdom of God. But that has nothing to do with loving, committed LGBTQ relationships, nor (obviously) does have it anything to do with sexual orientation!
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Wow
He just twisted the scriptures .
Lord open the eyes of this man and let him see and hear the truth from you , in Christ Jesus name amen .
his eyes are open. Yours aren't
@@camerong5513 doesnt change what the bible actually says.
@@yodudewassup14 what a great argument...
@@camerong5513 Your one to talk, u havent made any arguments. Quit trolling and grow up.
@@camerong5513 You this guys bf or something?
Repent and Believe the gospel
This is Heresy
says you
@@camerong5513 says the bible?
@@yodudewassup14 no
And foolishness
@@yodudewassup14right
Credibility lost at “I’m so glad they’re not the one’s who are in charge of such things”
Lol.
@@mrcolbymartin Revelation/Apocalypse says that the dogs won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Dog here refers to homosexuals. I know it sounds harsh but that’s what it actually means
@@mrcolbymartin yeah not funny you need to stop preaching this and remove this video. Period.
@@mrcolbymartin all you can do is laugh at people when they present the truth to you!
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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@@mrcolbymartin If your indeed Christian why are you Yawning At the word of god ? The fear of God is the beginning of understanding- Proverbs . We must work out our faith trembling.
@@mrcolbymartin L
@@snowwhitethegypsy3842tell us all we need to know about what’s in his heart.
@@mrcolbymartinyawning at a part of Gods written and inspired word tells us all we need to know about what’s in your heart.
You are leading many down a destructive road. Truth is truth.
He has helped me a lot. He made me see that God loves me just the way I am.
You’re as loved as gay man or lesbian woman is. We’re all equal. Stop the hate.
Woe to those who call evil good and good evil!
Exactly. Imagine calling evil a loving committed relationship between two men or two women that hurts no one and is actually beneficial.
Amen
God says, “Do NOT be deceived.”
Is the emphasis on NOT yours? Or God's?
Dude.. If God said "Do not be deceived" then HE means "Do not be deceived"
Let's all pray for his eyes to be open
AMEN.
Open for what?
You must stop the HATE.
Again twisting the scriptures and making stuff up without actually giving us historical proof for your clames. Man do some research from once. Jesus died for you, we are sinners and the only way to heaven is by Him.
Don't confuse people my friend, please see Leviticus 18:22, 20:13, Roman's 1:26-27, 1 Timothy 1:10, Jude 1:7, Genesis19 1-38.
Please seek Jesus and resist this way. He understands its hard but you DONT have to act on these desires, but don't try to tell others it's okay to do, you condemn yourself that way.
And a str8 person doesn't have to act on their desires.
What is wrong with you?
@@camerong5513 Indeed we all need to follow His perfect instructions. I pray blessings for you to seek Him in humility and Truth. I love you- because He first loved us. His love is not twisted but a love desiring us to follow Him and keep His Words. I pray as you TRULY seek Him that He will reveal TRUTH to you ❤! I pray a wall of protection around you as you seek Him ❤! ALL have fallen short, but when we choose to follow Him-he will begin a good work in us! He did for me🙂! I pray for peace and joy abundantly as you follow Him!❤Amen!
@@Anita-pp9dz okay
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WOW that's unbelievable how twisted and diluted this guy is. Just teaching such lies that will damn souls to hell with such confidence. You need to get saved before it's to late friend.
Love and pray brother
Don’t be so judgmental
This doesn’t mean he doesn’t love God
I understand where you’re coming from but don’t condemn him because you’re not the judge
@@keda100god says to judge righteously and speak out against evil
@@keda100”if you love me, keep my commandments” John 14:15
It’s ok to judge righteously
Where are the thumbs down ?
@@keda100lets not forget what christ said about leading people astray and into sin
"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths."
Finally, someone who understands. Yes, the false teaching that homoxesuality is a sin panders to itching ears, to humanity's darkest instinct for suspicion towards those who are different, to power over the vulnerable, to self-righteousness "thank God i'm not like that tax collector".
@musicalraichu , nailed it. 🙏🏽
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
1 Corinthians 6:9
☝️God’s Word.
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@@mrcolbymartin So you chose the path of deception, dont mock your "fellow" christains for following the bible properly.
@@yodudewassup14 do you even keep 1 Corinthians 6:9? Or do you sin?
@@dansaber4427 I keep a whole bible, i have more than corinthians.
@@yodudewassup14 great you won't be justified by it
Jesus show him his errors so he can repent
He already did! That's part of my point. I was in error for YEARS on this subject. Then I repented. And now I do this work to try and make up for those years spent in error. Thanks @jaykennedy4959
@mrcolbymartin no the devil has deceived you and I pray God hasn't given you over to your own hearts desires. You have no fear of God. Scripture says without HOLINESS you will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
😨 Coming from a place of love please understand this is un biblical
Many people try to twist the scriptures for how THEY want IT, but always remember it’s all about how GOD wants IT
God wants it to be
Man and Women
Now you can do whatever you would like (FREEWILL)
But don’t go teaching false doctrine 😳
THIS IS MISLEADING!
Lord forgive them for they know not what they do
It goes against the fundamentals of Christianity ✝️
Homosexuality is condemned. No matter how you try to explain it.
Tell me you've never studied the clobber passages without telling me you've never studied them... 🤣
@@mrcolbymartin Leviticus 18:22 NLT
[22] “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
@@mrcolbymartinare u mad homosexuality is an abomination towards God repent this is such heresy
@@_Zero.Two_. Amen, not all things are clear to people that dont study and understand fully of Gods Word, thank you for this verse it just proved him wrong.
@@_Zero.Two_.In portuguese but still
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God says it is an abomination.
Incorrect.
@mrcolbymartin , read Leviticus 20:13 buddy, and if you think that it’s outdated because those are the laws of the Old Testament, Jesus said himself in Mark 7:20-23 that Homosexuality is still unclean in Gods eyes.
Hope this helped !!!!😊✝️
@@mrcolbymartinit is correct.. you’re tripping
@@mrcolbymartinyou smoking something cause you are wrong stop wrongfully preaching
Came here after watching Colby's debate with Sean McDowell and being very impressed with Colby's kindness toward someone he disagrees with. I've fallen somewhere in-between the 2 perspectives and wanted to investigate more. Sad to see Colby's sarcasm, dismissiveness, and defensiveness toward others in the comments here. I expect the other side to be combative - I was hoping to see grace and love expressed by Colby. 😢
@bethezebra, thank you for the kind words in your comment about my convo with Sean. As to your disappointment about how I choose to respond (or, NOT respond) to most of the comments here, I can only say this: when you deal with the volume of comments I get, and when 90% of them are vitriolic, classless, unkind, accusations against me and my character... well, it eventually changes how you choose to engage 🤷🏻♂️ If people engage me with curiosity and civility and kindness and respect, I will respond in kind ALL day for that. But if they're just here to lob Bible verses at me, or make wild accusations, or attack me/my character, I'm gonna go ahead and shake the dust off my feet and move on. If that communicates to you "lack of grace and love," then I guess I'll just have to live with that (however, I do wonder if you could find any examples where I truly demonstrate lack of charity, or, disrespect, or are cruel to people. I feel like those kinds of comments generally aren't my vibe...? Though maybe some do slip through the crack if I need a snickers or something 🤪)
@@mrcolbymartinSir, these people, ( most of us), are telling you TRUTH in love. What else can we give you EXCEPT the Word. The very way you said it degrades even the Bible. I've prayed for your salvation, that you truly come to the knowledge of truth. Otherwise, in love, sir, you are headed for hell. Most loving thing I can say to you.
@mrcolbymartin lob Bible verses?? Isn't that the most important thing?? It's the WORD OF GOD dude... u claim to be a Bible following Christian, so those comments should be the MOST meaningful. Instead u respond with something like the yawning emoji. It rly shows ur immaturity in spirituality and in mind, and it demonstrates that u don't actually care much about the word of God. That's y u feel so comfortable twisting it.
Lord, please help this person to know the TRUTH and not twisting Scripture as it suits him.
It's been five months. I'm happy to report that the Lord has ANSWERED your prayer!
You may be sad to hear, though, that his answer was: No.
@@mrcolbymartinwhy are you mocking him. You speard flase teachings and make fun of thoses who call you out. You cant even defend your claim. You arnt a follower of god my friend you are mocking the lord who died for you. Respect your neighbour and be kind, even if you actually beleive the nonsese you speard you should respectfully defend your claim with stricture instead of mocking your brothers and sisters
@@mrcolbymartinwake up dude, the rapture is near I don't want you to see how that looks in action 🙏 the devil will be unleashed and make everyone pay, he wants you, he has yoy right now. your so spiritually weak your falling right into his trap. Please just see what your doing to yourself. 😢
@@mrcolbymartinif your dedicated to go to hell, don't take down innocent kids with these videos with you, they aren't true but to the young mind your corrupting my fathers people
Paul is addressing the church. …Let not these things be named among you” Ephesians 5:3.
He’s not talking to those who don’t know Jesus and haven’t believed on him for salvation. I’ve heard too many testimonies of those living homosexual lifestyles confronted with the gospel of Christ and turning from that lifestyle to follow Jesus. Because Jesus is more important than my sexual orientation. And what he did for me on the cross has more value than my own flesh desires. We want his Kingdom to come and if his design for sex is between a man and a woman in covenant before God to display the wisdom of God than who are we to argue with his ways. I don’t think I can say brother to you because you are twisting scripture to fit a script that is actually more harmful than hopeful to the lgbtqia+ community that is sadly spiraling down a hole of depravity and darkness. If you claim Jesus as Lord, then preach the redemptive love and hope of Jesus for this community. I say this with care and I really hope you hear my heart. I don’t know how you’ve been hurt by the church or those who claim Christ but Christians should be the first to love and embrace those in their sin but then lead them to repentance (as Jesus did). I pray your eyes be enlightened and you see the hope and joy in scripture. What you’re prescribing is somewhat anti gospel. Be very careful. I don’t know why this video popped up on my feed but I believe it was for a reason. Jesus says he leaves the 99 to go for 1. Stay true to the scripture
Where does one begin with one such as you!? Just get a grip pal
I second this! Love one another as Messiah loved us, by teaching sound doctrine in hopes that that one will turn and follow Christ! Amen! Now is our time to love by telling TRUTH! This gentleman has indeed twisted scripture- but we fight not against him - but rather against the principalities of darkness! I love this man- not for his confusion in doctrine- but because it’s what I choose to do! I love him and pray that GOD most high- changes his misguided perception into TRUE Wisdom and Truth❤. I pray clarity over his mind and pray for courage and strength when the heart of stone has become flesh again! I pray healing over this man, for God Most High knows all about him❤! I pray for His peace and His understanding to be made manifest in his life ❤! I pray a hedge of protection against these principalities of darkness that would think to destroy him❤! I pray for complete repentance and forgiveness of himself- as Christ surely does forgive a repentant sinner❤! I pray for abundant joy to be received ❤! I love this man❤! God Most High- show him visions as he begins to truly seek you❤! Although he may hate this message, he will come to love it- because I love him- because Christ first loved us ❤!
It's not just somewhat anti gospel. It's clearly what and who the precious Word warns us of. Yes, everyone pray for his soul.
you better be 1,000% sure on this. "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." James 3:1
You will be held accountable for your words. Don't forget scripture is God breathed. Please be scared, stop teaching and go back to learning.
Yes I agree Colby Martin is self deceived and is pretending to know the bible. He is a false teacher. The road that leads to destruction is wide.. But small is the gate and narrow that leads to life..and only Few find it. ' Mathew 7:13-14.
I don't know what it means to be 1000% sure on ANYTHING. That is.... a LOT of percentage.
Also, I'm not scared, because "perfect love casts out fear." Phew!
"pretending to know the Bible." Lol! What an odd thing to say. Pretending?? Really, that's your take? I mean, I might be WRONG, sure, that's always a possibility. But pretending? Such an odd thing to say...
@@mrcolbymartinare you hearing yourself? "i might be wrong." don't teach stuff like this if you're not 100% sure if it's the truth. if you "might" be wrong, you also "might" be causing thousands of people to live in their sin, and perhaps go to hell.
the replys of yours i've seen in this comment section is just ridiculous. you don't even have an argument, so you just respond with laughing emojis etc.
explain to me IN DETAIL, the verses in the bible that are against homosexuality, how do they not point out to homosexuality? for example romans 1:27.
If you don't respond or if you don't bring up an argument, you just proved my point, and you're indeed antichrist.
Dude you're so proud in the deception you're in. I'll pray for you and anybody reading this; seek the scriptures and intimate prayer time with the Lord and do not believe this guy.
Some people's treatment of 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 focuses on the Greek words malakoi and arsenokoitai (the latter of which also appears in plural form in 1 Timothy 1:10), whom Paul says will not inherit the Kingdom of God. People argue that these words do not refer to monogamous same-sex relationships or “homosexuals” as some modern translations render the words. Instead, malakoi is ambiguous and could just mean “weak” or “soft” while arsenokoitai refers to some kind of sexual exploitation or pederasty (sex with post-pubescent children). But if that’s the case then why doesn’t Paul just use the Greek word for pederasty (or paiderastes)?
Keep in mind that before he condemns the malakoi and arsenokoitai for their persistence in sin, Paul condemns idolaters and adulterers and then he condemns thieves and greedy people. Adultery and idolatry are often associated in the Bible and thievery and greed certainly go together. This makes it likely that arsenokoitai goes hand-in-hand with malakoi. The fact that arsenokoitai matches the Greek words in the Septuagint’s translation of Leviticus 20:13 is unmistakable. The word breaks down to “arseno” (or “male”) and koite (or “bed”) and literally means “man-bedder.”
Paul is saying that at one point some Corinthians practiced the active and passive roles in same-sex behavior but, as verse 11 says, “this is what some of you *used to be.* But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” Just because certain people once engaged in same-sex behavior that is no barrier to them being sanctified by the grace of God. God loves them and us and wants everyone to understand their true identities not as being “gay” or “straight,” but as being sons and daughters of the Most High.
God bless you. We will not fall for the devils tricks, we will not be confused! The devil asked Eve "are you sure that's what God said?" He tries to put the spirit of doubt in God's children but we will not turn from our Almighty God!!! Amen!
The snake said, "did God say you can't eat from any tree?", presenting God as unfair and harsh. God made Eve with a need for food, yet the snake insinuates that she's not allowed to eat anything.
Same way, God who said "it's not good to be alone" made some people with a need for the same secs, but some Christians present God as unfair and harsh, arbitrarily forbidding them from meeting their need.
@@MusicalRaichuIt's NOT needs here, it's WANTS, DESIRES.
@@kathleenmoore9534 It varies. Some are content to live alone. Most need companionship and intimacy. If God said it's not good, then it's a need.
Ok, so Paul also mentions in that 1 Corinthians 6:9 passage “No adulterers shall enter the kingdom of heaven” well, using your logic, as long as the cheater is in love with and committed to the person they are cheating with, they are fine. Repent, seek REAL Christian counseling for your attraction to men, ask Jesus to be your Savior AND Lord and he will help you.
he is not attracted to men. he has already asked Jesus to be his lord and saviour. God has already helped him.
what he's getting at is that in paul's day, many men even straight men married to women would have secs with male prostitoots and raip enslaved boys because it gave them a sense of dominating and denigrating their victims. such behaviour was justifiably incompatible with life in God's kingdom.
it had no similarity to a committed relationship between to men which can be loving and therefore obedient to God, and even be between two faithful believers.
Please read you Bible don’t listen to a man who’s said he’s read his Bible
"a man who's said he's read the Bible." Wait, is that your legitimate position here? That I haven't actually read or studied the Bible? But I'm just SAYING that I have?
@@mrcolbymartin clearly you haven't read it, but since your just discussing only Pauls writings l. Let me help you with a few more verses for understanding:
Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 18:23
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.,
Roman's 1:26-27
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Don't try to twist Paul's words to suit your own desires- just repent and accept Jesus and turn from your sins - he understands you have the desire but you dont have to act on it - just stay single then, He knows its hard for you!
@@sreed7637 Seems like he's trying to convince himself of his own lie he knows is a lie.
@@sreed7637 What if a man had secs with a male in a different way to how he does it with a woman? And what of two women? And guess what, Lev no longer applies.
Rom 1 basically says that male idolaters did unseemly things with each other. Yeah, we know, read the history books.
Neither of these say that a loving relationship between two men or two women is wrong. I'm afraid you're the one doing the twisting here.
You’re almost right, sure a man can love many other men, but that love cannot be lustful, it’s the same love that God tells us to give to everyone. Neighborly and brotherly love is good, but Eros love is meant only from man to woman.
Also your statement about the Laws of Leviticus being no longer applicable is somewhat true, but not in this instance. Mark 15:7 - 23 Jesus let’s us know that laws from Leviticus about what we eat, like pork, is not what makes us unclean in Gods eyes any longer, but it is what comes out of our heart, Including sexual immorality, meaning that even if not acted upon, the desire of sexually loving a man is lust. Hope this helped, God Bless. ✝️
The word homosexuality wasn't even in the Bible until 1946. It is a mistranslation. Even the Bible scholar who was responsible for the mistranslation, said he made a mistake there. By then, it was too late because many more new translations had taken their cue from this original mistranslation.
I love your content Colby. You make people think. The conservatives get razzled lol. Shows you have a great message. Peace to you and God bless brother.
This is the most far reaching conclusion possible reinterpreting to fit your own understanding.
Or... stay with me here... it's not.
20:13 if a Man lies with a male as one lies with a woman, the two of them have done an abhorrent(abomination) thing; they shall be put to death, their blood guilt is upon them... The decision is yours,walk with God or use your freewill to follow your own sinful desires.
it says if a man/husband lies with a male bed woman/wife, it is against ancient Israelite religion. Regardless what this jumble of words meant (scholars disagree), the Torah is NOT how we obey God Rom 7.6, Acts 15.10. There are things in there that are rightly illegal today.
Yep, don’t go to the Old Testament. People will say things like “the Bible Also says don’t eat shellfish”. Go to the New Testament.
@@theway77744 hello my friend, we can build our lives upon 2 Timothy 3:16 when we neglect the word of God, we are neglecting the very thing that has the power to change our lives . No word has the power to convictus of sin, to teach us truth, and to lead us in righteousness psalms 119 9-11. No matter where in the Bible everything is important. everything was said by the highest authority. Always remember the word of God as weight has power and it is said and it is eternal . Always remember " the world of man will be blown away with the wind"
@@theway77744 I quoted this from the Bible.
@@elsainnamorato2231 The word of God helps us see things in perspective too. The number of people who get sick from seafood, the environmental damage, the money squandered, no wonder it's called an abominashon more times than lying with a male bed woman.
And it teaches us many wonderful things: enslaiv the bankrupt, execute wayward children, force raipists to marry their victims, exile couples who engage in secs during menstruation.
Revelation 22:12-15
Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.
"Homosexuality as an *orientation* is addressed in scripture"
Firstly.
The Bible tells us in Matthew 15:19 that it begins in our hearts and minds. Before we commit an act of sin, we will think about it. All sin starts in the mind.
Then terms: "vile affections", "burned in their lust", "working", "natural use", etc. are used in Romans 1:24-27 (KJV), & clearly involve both mental and physical homosexuality.
The beautiful thing about Biblical text is that we should be following it word for word. All Scripture is God-breathed. Our “opinion” on the text holds no water. It’s not for us to decide “what Jesus actually meant” when he said things. Or what God “actually means” when he says things in his word. You’re allowed to have your interpretations. However, to teach those things on a platform for thousands of people to hear is wrong. Because if there’s any chance you’re wrong on your interpretation, it means you are leading people astray in the name of Christ. And that is detrimental to people and their spiritual walk, or worse, their salvation. I’m not a scholar, and im not saying I have any more knowledge on the subject than you do. But adding your opinion onto Biblical text and presenting it as gospel is wrong, through and through. And I would suggest that you do not continue to do this.
No one takes all scripture literally, not even Jesus himself.
In any case, no literal reading of the Bible condemns what they didn't even have a concept of when the Bible was written.
I’d be scared to twist God’s word like this. Like really scared
Homosexuality cannot bring forth life.
Huh? Do you mean, like two gay people can't make a baby? Cause that's an odd thing to say. They do all the time (using the same means that straight couples use when they cannot conceive naturally either).
@@mrcolbymartin correct. If it wasn’t for the ones who follow God’s will and are fruitful and multiply, there would not be a continuation of life. Homosexuality cannot produce life, because it is not Gods will.
@@mrcolbymartinmost normal couples can bring forth life some can not but homosexuals can never!!!!!!
“Homosexuals can never bring forth life” uhhhh… hate to burst your bubble, but did you know that with modern advances in science gay couples are bringing new life into the world? Of course, they require assistance via whatever part of the equation they don’t have (sperm or egg), but that’s true for many straight couples as well. Point being: it’s ignorant to say gay couples can’t make a baby, cuz they obviously do!
@mrcolbymartin 100 straight couples on a Island a 100 years later a thriving community. 100 gay couples on a Island a 100 years later nothing but a pile of Bones!!!!!!!
Y’all are turning away people that need God. For what? Your sin is better than his? You hypocrite. Take out your plank. Jesus didn’t just come for the righteous. He came for the no good rotten apples which are all of us.
In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Paul lists some sinful lifestyles that give evidence that a person is not saved: “Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men . . . will inherit the kingdom of God.” In other words, a practicing, unrepentant idolater, adulterer, or homosexual is fooling himself if he thinks he is going to heaven. Christians are saved from such sins.
There are some interpreters today who object to lumping homosexuals in with the other sinners listed in this passage. The wording “men who have sex with men” is unclear, they say, and should not be construed as a condemnation of *all* same-sex activity. In an attempt to make *homosexual behavior* compatible with Christianity, they attempt to redefine the Greek word.
The phrase “men who have sex with men” (translated “homosexuals” in the NASB) is a translation of the Greek word *arsenokoitai.* Those who object to this translation say that arsenokoitai does not refer to all homosexual relationships but only to those involving abuse, coercion, or unfaithfulness. They say the word does not refer to “loving, faithful” same-sex relationships.
Arsenokoitai is a compound word: arseno is the word for “a male,” and koitai is the word for “mat” or “bed.” Put the two halves together, and the word means “a male bed”-that is, a person who makes use of a “male-only bed” or a “bed for males.” And, truthfully, that’s all the information we need to understand the intent of 1 Corinthians 6:9.
As in English, the Greek word for “bed” can have both sexual and non-sexual meanings. The statement “I bought a new bed” has no sexual connotation; however, “I went to bed with her” does. In the context of 1 Corinthians 6:9, koitai connotes an illicit sexual connotation-the apostle is clearly speaking of “wrongdoers” here. The conclusion is that the word arsenokoitai refers to homosexuals-men who are in bed with other men, engaging in same-gender sexual activity.
It is interesting to note that arsenokoitai was not a common word in the Greek language to refer to homosexuality. Some have even claimed that the apostle Paul invented the word. This is not the case. In the *Septuagint Greek translation* of the two verses in the Mosaic Law that refer to homosexuality both contain forms of arseno and koitai (Leviticus 18:22; 20:13). This likely indicates that Paul had Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 in mind when he wrote 1 Corinthians 6:9, making it abundantly clear what Paul meant by the word arsenokoitai.
The notion that *some* homosexual relationships are accepted is not even hinted at in this passage. The men’s commitment level or the presence of “love” is not addressed. The idea that the condemned same-sex activity is linked to economic exploitation or abuse is also a forced reading with no textual basis.
Paul’s reference to “homosexuals,” together with a reference to “effeminate” men in the same verse (in the NASB), effectively covers both active and passive homosexual behavior. God’s Word is not open to personal interpretation in this matter. Homosexuality is wrong; it always has been, and it always will be.
Just two verses later, 1 Corinthians 6:11 says, “And that is what some of you *were.* But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God” (emphasis added). This statement negates the idea of “homosexual Christianity” being acceptable to God. Paul tells the Corinthian believers that practices such as homosexuality were evidences of their former life before Christ. Now they have been *born again,* and they have a new nature and new desires. The old nature remains, and the temptations continue, but child of God has been called to fight against sin, not live in it any longer. By the life-changing grace of God, the Corinthians’ new life stands in opposition to the way they used to live.
Wolf in sheep’s clothing, this guy is pointing folks straight to hell with his misinterpretation of scripture..
exactly the opposite. the false teaching that condemns innocent people forces them to reject the gospel to preserve their sanity.
Hold up hold up hold up man you can't be a murdering Christian you can't be a stealing Christian you can't be a sin Christian bro you got to pause you got to stop with the sex thing bro don't keep making excuses for it get yourself holy with the Lord ask for forgiveness and welcome home brother and yeah you might still struggle but you're not a gay Christian bro you're pushing a gay agenda right now and that ain't what we do we push holiness so get right I love you pray for you
But CAN you be a, “doesn’t use punctuation” Christian?? #askingforafriend
@@mrcolbymartin nope not that either
Don't have time for all that da boss on His way back amen
@@mrcolbymartin I find it funny how that’s the only thing you had to say about that comment. Deep down you know he’s right
@@blkcatwatsonwatson1527
50 AMENS!!!!
Thank you for telling the truth. Your book UNCLOBBER is lovely.
Thank you! 🙏
”Don’t you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God.“
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
It clearly says none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God
The point he's making is that what you quoted is a mistranslation. It's only been in Bible translations predominantly since the 1970s.
In 2 Timothy 4:3 it says" For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
that's right. this video pushes back against popular destructive teaching that appeals to humanity's basest instincts of disdain towards those who are different, of self-righteousness "thank God I'm not like that tax-collector", of sense of power over the vulnerable.
“Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!”
2 Corinthians 5:17 NIV
So ,how you got saved ?👀
There are many other passages speaking on the intended way of sexuality. You don’t have a basis for this claim either. And, It wasn’t Paul’s idea, it was given by God.
I would like to understand the scripture and your basis for claiming that you understand what Paul was thinking.
Huh?
@@mrcolbymartin you said in your video that you knew what Paul was thinking. How could you know that?
Oooh, gotcha. Thanks for clarifying! I guess my response is, obviously one cannot KNOW what Paul (or anyone from the Bible) was thinking. But part of the work of interpreting any text (let alone ancient texts like the Bible) involves a kind of conjecture about the authors intent. You string together various things they write, combine with what you know about the culture and the context, and do your best to ascertain intent.
This video is sending people to hell. Twisting and perverting the inspired word.
Jesus cautioned several times that prior to his second coming "many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many" Matthew 24:11
Then I guess… you’re welcome?? 🤷🏻♂️
@@mrcolbymartin You are a homosexual, you can't preach!
First, no. I'm straight. Second, i've heard lots of gay people preach, of course they can do it!
@@mrcolbymartin You are trying to please man instead of God.
Well it's a good thing that we are all image bearers of God, then, isn't it? God dwells in and through us (as Scripture teaches). So by your logic, I am still technically pleasing God when I "please man." Win/win!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (KJV) "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
The unrighteous is refering to unbelievers. They are named after their sins. A believer has had their sins paid for on the cross and God remembers them no more.
Therefore Paul says such were some of you. Why? Because you stopped doing those things? What if you covet? What if you steal something?
What if you look lustfully at a woman (adultery in the heart)? Are you suddenly unsaved? No!
Paul says "but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."
It's thanks to Jesus that we are justified and declared righteous, not ourselves.
Galatians 2:21 (KJV) "I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."
Romans 4:4-6 (KJV) "Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,"
If 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ment we had to physically stop doing those sins, then it would mean salvation was of works.
Believing on Jesus and stop sinning.
That's works-salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV) "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Another proof that not all Corinthians stopped doing those sins, but were still saved is found just one chapter earlier.
1 Corinthians 5:1-5 (KJV) "It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.
For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
Does Paul contradict himself when he says "such were some of you", when one chapter earlier he mentions someone who did such a thing but apparently was still saved?
No.
There is consequences for fornication, adultery, homosexuality etc.
We can reap what we sow in the body and lose rewards in Heaven, but our spirit is still saved.
2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV) "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."
1 Corinthians 5:5 (KJV) "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
Colossians 2:9-15 (KJV) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
1 Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV) "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
Although many take 1 Corinthians out of context, that is still not an excuse to defend sins such as fornication and homosexuality.
Homosexuality is an abomination, and shame on you for defending that wickedness.
We should call it out, not because of works-salvation, but because Christians are called to be seperate from the world and to not indulge in the lusts of the flesh.
Repent. Leading others right to the gates of hell.... Pray and repent.
If Bible says no your opinion doesn't matter ❤️
This is what happens when one strays from the very beginning of the Gospel. If you twist whether or not baptism is needed for salvation (it is necessary) then this is what you have asked for and gotten.
Baptism is NOT necessary in order for one to be saved!
We are saved by placing our faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins.
It says so right in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, which is the ONLY Gospel.
@@Adam-gm5tm Alright, then you don't believe what Christ said in Mark 16:16, Matthew 28, what Peter reached on the day of Pentecost. Which was given to him by the Holy Spirit.
In other words the very words that Jesus gave us you are discounting? Is that what you are saying?
@@jamesstrohl2016
You speak as if Jesus never went to the cross!
Jesus taught the law to Jews who were under the law.
We are told in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 how we are saved, and baptism in water is not required, and if it were so than I suppose we would have no other recourse than to believe that the shed Holy Blood of Christ Jesus was not sufficient to save us!
I suppose you believe that the sins you do not commit and the so called good you do help determine if a person is saved or not saved or kept saved.
@@Adam-gm5tm So what you are saying is that Christ went to the cross and His teaching is not pertinent anymore?
Yet, Peter who preached on the Day of Pentecost told us how to be saved. This was after Christ had ascended. When Peter preached it wasn't under the Law.
In Colossians Paul tells us that in Baptism is where God "having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." Notice a few things in this passage.
1: Buried with Him (Christ) in baptism. This is not a spiritual baptism it is water.
2: We were raised with Him (Christ)
3: Faith in the working of God
These points plainly state if you are not water baptized then God has not done His saving work on you or anyone else.
Here is something else. Christ didn't go to the Jews only His entire ministry. Approximately 6 months from the start He went to the Samaritans. Were they Jews?
@@jamesstrohl2016
The Gospel we read in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 came directly from Jesus who revealed His Gospel to Paul as we read in Galatians 1:11-12 which reads,
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the Gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Don’t neglect the Gospel that is the Gospel because of the shed Holy Blood of Christ Jesus!
Jesus didn’t go to the cross so we could work our way to heaven!
Sounds like an admission of sin to me… REPENT.
For any soul that goes to the wrong place because of this, hmm God will serve you judgement
Wow. Just simply wow. 😢
Thank you!
God healed me from being bisexual! ♥️
It's uncommon in women, rare in men, but one's pattern of attraction can change of its own accord. You were not "healed" because there was nothing wrong with you. It's just a natural variation.
@@MusicalRaichu God showed me why I was confused while the world tried to celebrate my confusion. I am healed. Praise God!
@@jessicamartin2760 Your neurons changed around a bit completely naturally and you chose to attribute it to God modifying you.
Be glad if it makes your life easier, but it's not healing because you weren't sick.
Leviticus 18:22 'You shall not lie with a man, as with a woman. That is detestible.
no, it actually says "you shall not lie with a MALE a BED of a woman, it is AGAINST OUR RELIGION".
There are those who know and have accepted Christ who struggle in this area but that is not the same as those seeking to actively and flagrantly participate in sin. No matter the sin The Most High, I AM has never abided or allowed for this. Men, women and children have died for less and it's historically documenting in scripture.
This passage condemns, among other things fornicators. Two people of the same sex cannot by definition, be married and thus become fornicators if engaging in sexual acts. Homosexuals can be in communion with Gods word and His Church if they are not actively living that lifestyle, same as with alcoholics, porn addicts, etc. Paul didn’t have to say homosexual because it’s understood to be fornication if actively engaged. False teaching here, again.
Bible literally calls them obiminations
😂🤣😂
who or what is "them"? Ever wondered why it doesn't say "obiminations"[sic.] in relation to female on female hanky panky? I'm guessing no
@@camerong5513 u have a point, but it does say for the women it is contrary to nature and punishable.
@@mrcolbymartin idk why your using emojis, its in leviticus.
@@yodudewassup14 that's what it says in an English translation of a Greek letter written some hundreds of years after the section you alluded to
It is a sin. Do not let this man deceive you. Do not let this man lead you to hell.
No…not truth…
What is the truth?
@@dansaber4427 The word of God.
@@GraceForCulture can you hear his voice? Or are you just imagining a character in a story in your own imagination?
@@dansaber4427 I’m not imagining a character from a story like you would…the voice of God is still and gentle, it comforts and convicts. The word of God is evident in the Bible…(i see that you don’t know what the word of God is). The bible is the word of God…read the book of Proverbs in the bible…it’s filled with wisdom that’ll help in anyone who reads it 🙂.
@@GraceForCulture the Bible is just literature to me. If you're idolizing the Bible the gospel is hid to you.
Stop don't confuse first only people have lots of confusion. May Holy Spirit show you the right way
Leviticus 18:22 NLT
[22] “Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.
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I don't know what you just quoted because that's not what the Bible says ...
Hey everybody, remember this guy‘s face when you spend eternity in a very bad place. Tell the devil that this guy said you should be here. Ha ha. this is a true SNL skit.
“A true SNL skit” awww, thank you, love.
Whyyyyyy do NOT believe this he is a false doctrine
How are you going to tell us what it is he "meant" did he personally tell you? Obviously not. So claiming such things is manipulating the word into saying what you want it to say.
Rather than just reading it for what it is, you're trying to appease and cater to the vast majority of the world that chooses to live this way.
Sin is sin, and the bible is very clear on what is wrong and what is not. And who will inherit the kingdom of God.
Pray for clarity brother because this is not it.
Wrong 6:9-11 states that those who practice homosexuality will not enter the kingdom of god
Lol, no... no it does not. Try again? (maybe in Greek this time?)
@@mrcolbymartin My bad i have no idea i said this. In some bibles it says that homosexuality is bad and in others its never stated.
1 Corinthians 6:9-20
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the SEXUALLY IMMORAL nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The meaning of the word you highlighted primarily related to prostitoots. In their culture it was acceptable for a married man to use a prostitoot which differed from Jewish mores (an Paul was a Jew). In any case, two men (or two women) in a faithful loving relationship are not acting immorally so it's a non-issue.
It’s unnatural, bible calls it an abomination in Leviticus
When they say "Love wins", they really mean "Sin wins".
Who are the "they" in that scenario?
Men who are sleeping with men shall not inherit thed kingdom of God. Paul does not speak about mis use. Just sleeping.
Check yourself what might happen in bed. Don't be naïf.
Omo ...I waited for the end of the video to see of it was a joke or a skit. God abeg🤲🏽
Gods expectation isn't that of being straight, but to live Holy. A life of singleness is a calling for some of us who wish to honor God above ourselves. Understanding this is critical to being set free from the burden of trying to live like a straight person to instead live a powerful life empowered by Holiness. Please check out the book titled "Gay girl, Good God" by Jackie Hill Perry. Such a good read, RUclips her testimony!
Just get a grip
@@camerong5513 LOL
@@GodArmy7711 so you have a grip but are on the grift promoting some con-job book & its author? Okay
@@camerong5513 LMAO
@@GodArmy7711 okay "Christian"
Earth has heaps of protein to waste - you do you
This guy is not real.. and speaking the language of heresy
So your basic premise is, what, that I’m AI? 🤭
@@mrcolbymartin Not literally
Phew… so I’m metaphorically AI. That’s a relief.
What?🤔 Bro Trippin
I totally disagree.
thanks for sharing. I actually really appreciate the short, but respectful and clear comment.
Yo, you need to support views with scripture, and this one has none. We can't simply choose to believe that scripture says what it does because it sounds more peaceful or kind or loving. We are to conform our views to match the Bible, not conform the Bible to match our views.
Yo, the point of this video was not to make a viewpoint claim (that needs Scriptural support). The point was to illustrate how this verse is poorly misunderstood. Thanks!
@@mrcolbymartin this verse is not massively misunderstood though, in light of other key verses on the Bible we can see that this verse is not really clobbered. Of course, Paul IS directing some of this at those practicing in male prostitution, but also homosexuality in general. I'm not saying you can't come to God as a homosexual, but I am saying that the Bible does make it clear that it is sinful. There is also no scripture that would support this interpretation. I'm glad that you have this platform, but use it to support teachings evident through scripture and supported by other scripture. If you try and say one thing in the Bible is wrong then you admit that God's word fallible. I won't strong arm, but I urge you to debate with yourself on this matter with God, and really think about this verse.
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:26-27 KJV
Dost thou readest the scripture?
Please pray and ask God to clear this up for you ❤
Already did. How you think I got here? 🙏
Who is they and you just read what the Bible says dude your messed up
Can’t believe this came up on my feed just forgive him
Perhaps it came up PRECISELY because God knew you needed to work on forgiveness? You’re welcome.
Lol. You’re like that guy that used to say you don’t have to pay your taxes. And people listen to him. And they lose everything. You give no references to this statement that will lead me to an eternity of damnation.
I do not know how he arrived at this deeply flawed exegesis. Yes we heard it before “Paul is talking about nonconsensual sex between an adult and a child”. Read the original terms and you will see it has nothing to do with it. Sorry buddy, you need to do a better job at supporting your arguments scripturally.
So let me ask you this what was the great sin on sodom? Why did we name a gay sex ack after it?
so do my does not mean gay secs, it means non-reproductive secs. a husband and wife having oral secs are so do mites.
Ezekiel explains that the sin of so Dom was their arrogant and callous disregard for the welfare of fellow human beings. People who condemn gay people are doing the sin of so Dom.
Dude. You added so much to the plain meaning of the text. You are placing meaning on scripture rather than drawing meaning out of scripture. This is denial of what it actually says. Which leaves me wondering this. If you don’t believe in the infallibility and inerrancy of scripture, why would you twist it to your presupposed ideology. Why not just say “I don’t believe that part” and move on.
Dude. If you've read/seen/understand my work, you'd see that I actually go to great lengths to, as you say, "draw meaning out of scripture." *high five*
Genesis says: God created them male and female. Not male and male or female and female. And God gave a command : Multiply and fill the earth.
This is God’s first command to all creatures, humans or animals and whoever decides to be gay ( male or female) violates and disobeys God’s command intentionally.
And God clearly says that whoever disobeys his command whichever that might be will not inherit the kingdom of God.
So NO NO NO - you CAN’T be gay and Christian at the same time.
Are you serious!?
Someone attracted to the same secs who hears and accepts the gospel is a gay Christian. Likewise, a child raised in the faith who reaches adolescence to find themselves attracted to the same secs is a gay Christian. So YES you CAN be both.
"fill the earth" was God's blessing to all life which God amply fulfilled. A few who fail to reproduce for any of a range of reasons poses no threat to God fulfilling his blessing. Insisting that everyone should reproduce regardless of consequences turns Christianity into a fertility cult.
@@MusicalRaichuyou can be attracted to the same gender. the actions are sinful.
@@MBCMSPR So a person has to stay single their whole life just because of a natural variation? God said "it is not good to be alone".
And it's not sinful. Who is hurting whom? You make no sense.
@@MusicalRaichu see, now you're letting your feelings get in the way. it's not i that doesn't make sense, because i'm literally speaking from scripture. you can be with people without sexual connection. the bible says it's a sin. it also says all evil comes from the devil, which means it's a gift from satan, which you should not use
@@MBCMSPR the bible does not say it's a sin. and anyway, why would it if it's not hurting anyone? do you even know how to tell right from wrong?
negative references to males having secs with males in the bible are about specific issues: attempted raip Gen 19, violating cultural norms Lev 18/20, indecent behaviour Rom 1, unknown but probably secs abbuse 1 Cor 6/1 Tim 1. Apart from Lev, none of them even describe homoxesuality.
This is so wrong! God made Adam to be with Eve not Adam to be with Steve
So says you, not the Bible. Shame on you.
The Bible doesn't "says" anything. It's shapes and lines on a page. It requires a reader. Which requires an interpreter. Which then requires a "sayer". So, yeah, your comment is weird. (Unless you listen to your Bible on Audible, then I guess it makes sense 🤣)
1 Corinthians 6
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. Ex
That's the point he's making. "abuzer of themselves" was a euphemism for master-bait. it means using a male's body for personal gratification without regard for the victim's welfare. Two men in a faithful loving relationship are not doing that.
Don't listen to deceivers, 1 Corinthians 6 9-11 or do you not know that w wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God, do not be deceived. Neither the sexual and moral nor idolaters, nor adulterers, Norman that have sex with men, Nor thieves nor greedy, no drunkards nor slanderes, nor swindlers, not inherit the kingdom of heaven.
i'm all for quoting the bible, but please don't quote mistranslations. It does not say "men who secs with men", it says "soft ones" and "male bedders".
@@MusicalRaichutell the most High , know that he wrote them.
@@MusicalRaichu the first 5 books of the Bible come from the tanakh.
@@elsainnamorato2231 1 Cor 6 is not in the Tanakh.
@@MusicalRaichu I am so sorry Leviticus 18:22 in the JCB . My bad it's there.
Yikes. Stay away from this guy.
I literally JUST switched to a different deodorant. Things should be better now!!
This guy is off his rocker..😮
I encourage you to read leviticus 18:22 or 20:13 and many more scriptures that are very clear on how our father God feels about Homosexuality❤🙏
Um yeah,how do you know what Paul was thinking about?you way off base dude
He’s really trying to justify it??
Nope. 🤣
@@mrcolbymartinthen what do you think you’re doing..
You mean, what AM I doing? I think it’s pretty clear: my work demonstrates that the church has misunderstood and/or misused to the Bible to justify discrimination against gay people. Contrary to what many people still think, the Bible does not condemn homosexuality , nor does it establish a divine demand or expectation that LGBTQ people must be something other than who they are and/or live alone forever. It’s not about “justifying” anything, it’s about restoring the dignity and humanity of people while also illuminating what the Bible does and does not say on the topic.
Ye shall not surely die. Was the first lie satan told eve. Sin will NOT enter heaven. This includes homosexualls and even liers...and everything inbetween. dont be deceived for God shall not be mocked whatsoever a man reapes
That will he sew. Repent and be converted that your sins may be blotted out. Before its to late.
I just don’t understand why you explain the text as if it is right but don’t hold to it as authoritative. I’ve watched a couple conversations and plenty of times I heard “I don’t know”. How do you know you are right?
Respectfully to me it seems as if your view or explanation of scripture is like a teenager who’s parents let them do anything because the parents do not want to make their child feel bad (even though) the things that the teen may be doing is unhealthy. It’s kind of purely based on feelings.
But truly I just want to understand the thought process
Not sure I TOTALLY follow your question... but I'll try to respond. My basic premise with UnClobber is this: these verses have been misused and misunderstood to justify discrimination against LGBTQ people. When better understood, the clobber passages do not say what we've been told they say. Now, as to the authority of the Bible, that's a different (albeit, as you point out, related) matter. And I've tried to address some of my thoughts on teh Authority of the Bible in some other videos on my channel. I encourage to check those of out if you're curious! Thanks Joshua.
@@mrcolbymartin Colby I do think you are trying to be genuine but it’s so simple. The Bible does not condone homosexuality it just doesn’t. It also does not condone hateful acts towards ppl because of sin. To say the truth such as All who practice sin will not inherit the kingdom of God is literally telling them what the scriptures that we adhered to for thousands of years say to us. Listen I totally understand I hate to be called out for my lying or drunkenness whatever the sin may be. But if it’s the truth then youre sending a lot of ppl to be in front of Jesus for him to say “away from me I never knew you” because you think a desire that lives no longer than a human life span is more important than Gods will. I know you hear it often but we truly are playing with fire when we distort Gods words. Praying for you as for everyone else who claims and does not claim Christ!
@@joshuahorne8220 I explained this to someone else in another comment, so I basically coppied it 4 you. I have responded to you before. I hope this helps your understanding and wanting an explaination of what the word ORIGINALLY SAID. How it was originally written. Arsenokoita was a new word Paul used in the original writings of the bible. We don’t know of any other instances of the word until Paul coins the word in 1 Corinthians 6 & 1 Timothy 1. It’s a compound word: “arsen” means man & “koite” or “koitas” or “koitai”-depending on a verb or a noun-means bed or- lying side by side. 2 be clear, the “malakoi” & “arsenokoitai” relationship had nothing 2 do with 2 men living in a committed same gender relationship. Instead, that relationship had everything 2 do with sexual abuse of a heterosexual male against another male, usually a much younger male. This was a big problem in those times. Historically, it is documented, even parents sold their young boys to try and give them a chance of a better life. According 2 Paul, that abusive behavior needed 2 stop. It wad a culture that encouraged boys 2 resort 2 sexual slavery or temple prostitution in order to survive. For Paul, that cultural change was happening within the church. He wanted the church 2 be a place where people stopped abusing one another & started caring for one another. Paul joins these 2 words together into a neologism, a new word (as we do in saying database or software), and so he condemns in 1Corinthians and 1Timothy what was condemned in Leviticus. In light of this interpretation of the meaning of arsenokoitai. Responsible Christians would join Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would join anyone else in condemning the threatened gang rape in Sodom or the behavior of the sex-crazed priests & priestesses in Rome. So, this passage says, nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today. Paul joins these 2 words together into a neologism, a new word (as we do in saying database or software), and so he condemns in 1Corinthians and 1Timothy what was condemned in Leviticus. This interpretation of the meaning of arsenokoitai, White concludes with an emotional appeal. Paul in condemning anyone who uses children for sex, just as we would. Paul is condemning " married men who hired young boys (malakois) for sexual pleasure.
@@joshuahorne8220 The acual word homosexual first appeared in a German bible in 1983. Before that it appeared in 2 other versions in 1946. In Martin Luther’s original German translation from 1534 it uses the word knabenschander. Knaben is boy, schander is molester. This word “boy molesters” for the most part carried through the next several centuries & translations. Knabenschander is also in 1 Timothy 1:10. But he original was 2 Greek words Paul combined "arsenokoitai." So you see, people have gotten lost in translation. It's true, and anyone if they want to spend the time can see for themselves. But the problem is people are so busy condemning others, and focusing on others sins, rather than actually studding God's original words. I'm a heterosexual female with 4 kids. I have no reason to fight this fight other than, helping people see who aviously love Jesus like yourself, that the focus on this subject, one that has been mitranslated through time, only causes division. That's not what God wants. He wants us united. It's clear that the changing of the word over time, was to something the devil used to divide us. I say all of this to you in love and with respect to your avious passion for Jesus.
Sure, your free to believe what you want but don't try and twist what Paul was saying. And don't be guilty of leading youth astray. The bible warns of consequences of what would happen if you lead young people astray. Youth are watching you
"Youth are watching you." Gosh, I sure hope so. Better they hear it NOW that God loves them unconditionally just as they are!! The less toxic-theology they have to unlearn the better.
A demon twisting the scriptures
Wait, lemme get this straight: your take here is that I am a demon? 🤨
Repent means to turn away from you sin....that means you no longer sleeping with men.
Well… no.. repent actually means “to change your mind,” and men-sleeping-with-men is not always (as you put it) “sinful.” But thanks for chiming in!
@@mrcolbymartin interesting. But the Bible clearly states sodomy is a sin. Even if a man and a woman partake in it. But it also says a man should not lie with another man as he does a woman.
Bro this is pure heresy and false! You need to stop teaching this and repent.
No he does not have to. He is making very good points. Progressive Christians deserve a voice.