As posted in the Comments you are starting from a 'high dock'. How would your technique change for beginners starting closer to water level. For example - More swing (throw) for a Stationary Start, more runway for a Run and Jump Start. Great video series. Have you tried the Axis 1150 for Jump-Pump-Glide.
Hi mate! For a lower dock you can almost just run along with your foil already in the water. As you run and build speed you will feel the resistance pushing back against your hands and you know you’re good to take the leap of faith! 😬 No I haven’t tried that wing yet I’m afraid mate 🤙
Thanks mate! I’ve actually been thinking about that. Let me know what you’re struggling with and what you’d like to see and let’s see if we can make it happen 😀🤙🏽💪🏽
Hey Larry, I can pump, to a certain degree, when connecting on a weak wave, etc. but struggle when there’s not a little help to keep me moving along. I’ve been given varied advice...some say you’re mostly unweighting the board and then pushing down with the front foot. Others say it’s all about the back foot, pushing back to get the nose of the board to come up. Perhaps some slow motion video, primarily a side on view, with commentary on what you’re doing, what kind of weight/pressure on each foot at each moment...that might be helpful. I have to believe it’s 90% technique. I know it’s never going to be really easy, but it’s exhausting to try and go for just a little bit. When I watch the pros, it appears effortless with very little body movement. Of course, this is highly refined technique. Whatever you come up with will be much appreciated and, I’m sure, very helpful!
ScotY808 ok sweet! For me it’s definitely about unweighting the board on the “up” stroke and pumping “down” with both feet. Once I figure out the best way to articulate all of this I’ll get a video up 🙏🏼🤙🏽
Good stuff Larry, cheers for that. Is that just the 75 mast you are using? It looks long, I was wondering if it might be a 90 or something in between. Might have to watch again.
Right I've got the same foil so no excuses now. My first attempt was 100% nose dives so I'll try to focus on the back foot. I'm 83kg so I'm guess with the same wing I should have enough lift for a 'swing start'?
Definitely no excuses mate! 😃 Just get that back foot landing first, and even slide your foil mast forward on your board, it helps with the nose dives heaps 🤙🏽
Larry, what is the ideal dock height relative to the board height? Looks like here you have the dock slightly above the board so you are jumping down. Easiest for newbie? Thanks for a great video.
Cheers and you’re welcome! This one was actually a little lower than ideal for me, quite a big drop. I’d say somewhere closer to level would be better for learning 🤙🏽🤙🏽
I'll give it a try when I get to the lake. I guess a 61cm mast would be too short to pump? We wake surf our foil but I haven't been able to generate much power pumping yet.
Thanks mate! I’m actually based down south but the Perth lads get stuck into some jetty’s in the Swan River near Freo, also Hillary’s and Ocean Reef marinas 🤙🏽
Hey Cliff-Theres a quiet swim platform on the west limb of the aquarama marina in E freo which is protected from River chop. The sailing school jetty in E freo opposite Pier 21 is also good and there is a swim platform in port coogee that are my go to spots. I am not there yet but have been progressing well at these ones
Hey there! To be honest for flat water pumping there wouldn’t be too much noticeable difference. They both pump great and the flat 460 has less drag at higher speeds such for wing foiling etc… It would be a great comparison to look deeper into though 🧐
Hi Mate! Some people have good success jumping off of their back foot, for me my biggest issue is landing on the board and going nose down. By jumping from my front foot it means my back foot is first to touch the board, which helps to prevent the nose dive. Try both ways and let me know which works for you :-)
Thank you bud! Yes for sure the pumping is more efficient when the wing is higher in the water column, less water to push above the wing and less mast in the water causing drag. You just gotta keep it in that sweet spot! 🍭🍭
machonky I haven’t tried anything longer than the 75cm mast, but I don’t think it’s necessary going longer because you’ll get the best efficiency from shallower faster pumping rather than slow and deep. I hope that makes sense? 😃✌🏼
@@LarryFoiler it does. I'm coming at this from kiting, looking for a no wind alternative, so my starting mast is 85cm. Wondering if I should buy a 75cm specifically.
machonky try your 85 mast first, it will allow you to start from a higher dock, but low docks and beach starts could be more difficult as you will need to jump higher up onto the board. More importantly, which wing setup will you be using? Size and brand? 🤙🏽
Thanks Dominic! Using the short fuse on this video and I trimmed the 400 down to about 320. These days I’d likely use the ultra short fuse and the 460 flat rear wing 🤘💪
@@LarryFoiler thanks alot What you think about the setup with standard fuse and 400/90 or modificated 400 to 320? I'm about 70kg but never your skill level😅
@@dominicelmer2978 it was for sure a great setup a coup of years ago, things are advancing quickly so there are obviously some better performing wings now, both front and rear. What front wing do you use?
@@dominicelmer2978 the 1020 is definitely a mega pump wing. You can’t beat it, it really doesn’t matter which fuselage or rear wing you use with it ⚡️💪
Hi, i just got myself a foilboard, but i cant seem to manage dock starting. I just got a question, ive got a aztron 1450 front wing and i weight about 210 pounds, is it impossible for me to dock start with that wing or do i just need to keep pushing?
It would be almost impossible id say. But you’d have a great time trying still. Anything is always worth a go. But generally smaller, lighter boards are easier to handle and pump much easier 🤙😎
Most docks allow either, so far so good 😂 There are some techniques for tighter spaces though which we’ve named the rock hop or frog hop where you go straight out off the dock. Really difficult though 😂
im trying to build my own one with wood like all wood the wings and the board and even the mast ...will it work or its gonna be heavy ..note that the board is just 80 cm tall and 1.5 cm thick
what mast size are you using here larry? I am going to be attempting dock starts for my first time here in a couiple hours. Going to be attempting with a 1500 sq cm front wing, 350 sq cm rear, and a 20L boarrd. i will tag you on instagram with my wipeouts!!!
Hey there! I’m using a 75cm mast here. It works perfect especially with such a high drop like this one. A long mast also helps to “catch” the initial drop. I look forward to seeing your attempts! 🤩 It’s worth all the hard work 💪🏽🤙🏽
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This is awesome Shan. I gotta get into this! You make it look easy 👌🏼👌🏼
Cheers brother! Get involved for sure, it’s so much fun mate! 🤙🏽😊🦅
As an avid kitefoiler, dock starting is soo tricky. Fun...but tricky!
Definitely good flat day fun 😎🤙🥳
@@LarryFoiler You make it look easy. My local dock is a little shallow and worried im going to mess my foil up hitting the bottom.
That’s true! You definitely need the right dock 😄🤘
Thanks... looks like a good workout
Sure is! Cheers! 😎🤙🏽😎🤙🏽
As posted in the Comments you are starting from a 'high dock'. How would your technique change for beginners starting closer to water level. For example - More swing (throw) for a Stationary Start, more runway for a Run and Jump Start. Great video series. Have you tried the Axis 1150 for Jump-Pump-Glide.
Hi mate! For a lower dock you can almost just run along with your foil already in the water. As you run and build speed you will feel the resistance pushing back against your hands and you know you’re good to take the leap of faith! 😬 No I haven’t tried that wing yet I’m afraid mate 🤙
Cool, video, Larry! Could you do a video on pumping technique? I’m still struggling with that.
Thanks mate! I’ve actually been thinking about that. Let me know what you’re struggling with and what you’d like to see and let’s see if we can make it happen 😀🤙🏽💪🏽
Hey Larry,
I can pump, to a certain degree, when connecting on a weak wave, etc. but struggle when there’s not a little help to keep me moving along. I’ve been given varied advice...some say you’re mostly unweighting the board and then pushing down with the front foot. Others say it’s all about the back foot, pushing back to get the nose of the board to come up. Perhaps some slow motion video, primarily a side on view, with commentary on what you’re doing, what kind of weight/pressure on each foot at each moment...that might be helpful. I have to believe it’s 90% technique. I know it’s never going to be really easy, but it’s exhausting to try and go for just a little bit. When I watch the pros, it appears effortless with very little body movement. Of course, this is highly refined technique. Whatever you come up with will be much appreciated and, I’m sure, very helpful!
ScotY808 ok sweet! For me it’s definitely about unweighting the board on the “up” stroke and pumping “down” with both feet. Once I figure out the best way to articulate all of this I’ll get a video up 🙏🏼🤙🏽
That would be so great! Looking forward to it! 🤙
@@LarryFoiler is like to see that too
Super vidéo hyper travaillé ❤️
🙏🏼✌🏼
awesome
Cheers! Stoked you liked it! 🤙😎
@@LarryFoiler keep up the great production work!
Good stuff Larry, cheers for that.
Is that just the 75 mast you are using?
It looks long, I was wondering if it might be a 90 or something in between.
Might have to watch again.
Thanks mate 😊 Yep that’s the 16mm 75 mast. Probably looks bigger because my board is tiny and I also pump really high for max efficiency 😂💪🏽
I would be afraid to fall backwards and hit my head. I would also be wearing a helmet
Cheers David! 😎
Right I've got the same foil so no excuses now. My first attempt was 100% nose dives so I'll try to focus on the back foot. I'm 83kg so I'm guess with the same wing I should have enough lift for a 'swing start'?
Definitely no excuses mate! 😃 Just get that back foot landing first, and even slide your foil mast forward on your board, it helps with the nose dives heaps 🤙🏽
Thank you
Cheers man!
Larry, what is the ideal dock height relative to the board height? Looks like here you have the dock slightly above the board so you are jumping down. Easiest for newbie? Thanks for a great video.
Cheers and you’re welcome! This one was actually a little lower than ideal for me, quite a big drop. I’d say somewhere closer to level would be better for learning 🤙🏽🤙🏽
I'll give it a try when I get to the lake. I guess a 61cm mast would be too short to pump? We wake surf our foil but I haven't been able to generate much power pumping yet.
You can still give the 61 a shot, but a little longer will probably give you a bit more chance catching the initial drop. Yeww! 🤙🏽😃
Larry love you videos. Any suggestions for good areas for dock starting around Perth?
Thanks mate! I’m actually based down south but the Perth lads get stuck into some jetty’s in the Swan River near Freo, also Hillary’s and Ocean Reef marinas 🤙🏽
Hey Cliff-Theres a quiet swim platform on the west limb of the aquarama marina in E freo which is protected from River chop. The sailing school jetty in E freo opposite Pier 21 is also good and there is a swim platform in port coogee that are my go to spots. I am not there yet but have been progressing well at these ones
Hey mate how do you think the 460 flat tail will compare to the progressive 450 for flat water pumping?
Hey there! To be honest for flat water pumping there wouldn’t be too much noticeable difference. They both pump great and the flat 460 has less drag at higher speeds such for wing foiling etc… It would be a great comparison to look deeper into though 🧐
Would you say that jumping off your front foot is required? I’m goofy and feel much better jumping off my left foot.
Hi Mate! Some people have good success jumping off of their back foot, for me my biggest issue is landing on the board and going nose down. By jumping from my front foot it means my back foot is first to touch the board, which helps to prevent the nose dive. Try both ways and let me know which works for you :-)
Great instructional - thanks for putting it together. I've heard others refer to riding the foil close to the surface. Any idea what's going on there?
Thank you bud! Yes for sure the pumping is more efficient when the wing is higher in the water column, less water to push above the wing and less mast in the water causing drag. You just gotta keep it in that sweet spot! 🍭🍭
@@LarryFoiler Can you comment on the merits of a 75cm mast for foil pumping compared to something longer - eg. 85cm?
machonky I haven’t tried anything longer than the 75cm mast, but I don’t think it’s necessary going longer because you’ll get the best efficiency from shallower faster pumping rather than slow and deep. I hope that makes sense? 😃✌🏼
@@LarryFoiler it does. I'm coming at this from kiting, looking for a no wind alternative, so my starting mast is 85cm. Wondering if I should buy a 75cm specifically.
machonky try your 85 mast first, it will allow you to start from a higher dock, but low docks and beach starts could be more difficult as you will need to jump higher up onto the board. More importantly, which wing setup will you be using? Size and brand? 🤙🏽
Hi Larry
Which fuselage are you using and how much of the 400/90 rearwing did you cut? Amazing pumpfoil video👍
Thanks Dominic! Using the short fuse on this video and I trimmed the 400 down to about 320. These days I’d likely use the ultra short fuse and the 460 flat rear wing 🤘💪
@@LarryFoiler thanks alot
What you think about the setup with standard fuse and 400/90 or modificated 400 to 320? I'm about 70kg but never your skill level😅
@@dominicelmer2978 it was for sure a great setup a coup of years ago, things are advancing quickly so there are obviously some better performing wings now, both front and rear. What front wing do you use?
@@LarryFoiler it would also be the 1020
I would use this setup just to be finally able to pump my unifoil hyper 190 with 1200cm2
@@dominicelmer2978 the 1020 is definitely a mega pump wing. You can’t beat it, it really doesn’t matter which fuselage or rear wing you use with it ⚡️💪
Hi, i just got myself a foilboard, but i cant seem to manage dock starting. I just got a question, ive got a aztron 1450 front wing and i weight about 210 pounds, is it impossible for me to dock start with that wing or do i just need to keep pushing?
You could probably do it with more practice, but a huge Axis wing will always make it easier 😎🤙
As always cool videos!
will Axis 920 +440 will work for someone 75kg?
Yes for sure! The 920 is so close to the 102 💪💪
Yeww! Thank you
What's your height and weight Larry? Trying to match to your equipment preferences. Great series.
Thanks man! I’m 174cm and 64kg 🤙🏽😊😄
Nice! Did you try this foil board with a kite?
Hi there, no I’m not into kite foiling. But it works for wingfoil 🤙
Is this possible with regular sup foil boards ie 5foot6 90L? Would love to try it without investing in a new board.
It would be almost impossible id say. But you’d have a great time trying still. Anything is always worth a go. But generally smaller, lighter boards are easier to handle and pump much easier 🤙😎
Have you found a dock which presents a Goofy footed launch, but you're Regular footed? (Or vice versa)
Most docks allow either, so far so good 😂 There are some techniques for tighter spaces though which we’ve named the rock hop or frog hop where you go straight out off the dock. Really difficult though 😂
im trying to build my own one with wood like all wood the wings and the board and even the mast ...will it work or its gonna be heavy ..note that the board is just 80 cm tall and 1.5 cm thick
I’d love to see the results! Others have had success working with timber so there’s no harm in trying 💪🏽💪🏽
what mast size are you using here larry? I am going to be attempting dock starts for my first time here in a couiple hours. Going to be attempting with a 1500 sq cm front wing, 350 sq cm rear, and a 20L boarrd. i will tag you on instagram with my wipeouts!!!
Hey there! I’m using a 75cm mast here. It works perfect especially with such a high drop like this one. A long mast also helps to “catch” the initial drop. I look forward to seeing your attempts! 🤩 It’s worth all the hard work 💪🏽🤙🏽
Hey, what's the weight of your board please ? Thx for the tips
Hey there! The board is around 2.6kg