It's really not that bad lol. Only late night EST hours is it a bit dead for t6 and lower, t7+ can still find games within a minute usually. And in the evening its fine all around
My friends and I played this game from the Beta all the way up to the CV rework and then dropped it. I sincerely hope a competent and sane developer eventually releases something that scratches the same itch.
wow, so ignoring every piece of negative feedback ever and just reassuring themselves they were making smart decisions WASN'T the call??? Who would have guessed?!
Logged on for the first time in ages yesterday, two 3 minute battles in which my team so dominated the enemy it was a joke. My Yama still performed but two or three citadels and then it was over. Boring af
I followed this game and this channel for years. It's nuts WoWs got to this point. If only Wargaming listened to Flambass' common sense. Flambino I'm happy you diversified your channel with other games seeing WoWs is dying. I enjoy many of your other playthroughs even though I originally came for WoWs. Keep up the lovely work. Cheers from Canada.
This is sad, but on a positive note I give a round of applause for that Georgia player, making the best of a bad job. Did amazingly well to not only last that long, but to get so close to winning. Planning on upgrading my PC in November to start sim racing, looks like I am doing it in the nick of time.
Played since the CBT and quit when subs were added. Real shame, WG can't take away the fun and good memories I already had with the game but still just sad to see what they did. RIP WoWS
Same. I took breaks periodically, and usually only came back when there was a historic tech tree (the German and British battlecruisers for example), but subs, on top of the carriers, and now a bunch of cruisers with auto-bombers, just no. There are other naval games, there are mods for those games, I can make do elsewhere.
Same. The carriers were already a hit on my interest, but it was still kind of alright until carriers and AA got reworked. Then subs came and it was over. WoWs is truly a masterclass in how to kill your own game.
Yeah I had already kind of been drifting away when they "reworked" skill trees to blatantly add a fuck ton more grind and nerf free commander xp generation, but they were the nail. They just never should have been added they were just as impossible to make fun for EITHER side as everyone said. Say what you want about CV, but least if you got near it every class could just shot it. Then we got dogshit like T11 and that just further convinced me I'd made the right call, my wallet thanked me at least
@@craftysnail5912 exacly,i just want to right about that,in the past wg did films about history,and than they did cv rework,and same paper rusian cvs was added ,and stop talking about history🙂..now its SF game
I quit after they released a completely broken Belfast right before a T7 ranked season. Specifically when Flamu interviewed one of the devs about it and all he did was gaslight the strength of the ship and referred to the ranked season as "the most successful one to date". That was when I realized these people _really_ do not give a shit about their players and are completely unapologetic about pay to win cash grabs. I still enjoy watching other people play, but from all I've seen my assessment was spot on.
Ironically it is ships such as the carrier in this game that are killing WOWS. "Who would want to be this guy" he says as unlimited waves of planes bully the guy into oblivion.
I quit the game a year ago, but have thousands of hours over the years I was active. She's been mismanaged and molested by Wargaming for far too long. Let her rest now. Painful as it may be, the memories of the times we had will have to suffice.
I recently quit WOWs, after 5 years of playing. 300 + ships, including 50 Tier 10s. I just could not stand it anymore. CVs and Subs in EVERY game. It´s just not fun anymore.
Funny thing is I saw plenty of people in the EU server in co-op during that time. I wonder if people are just fed up with randoms and went "nah, let's just do co-op, screw randoms."
@@moritzbettermann3341 I've always played mainly co-op. I'm not very good in randoms and even so I've been paired up in clueless teams so I gave up on randoms quickly. Co-op is enjoyable to me still.
easier and more reliable way to make youre tasks happening. The way there are setup is anoying and takes away even more from random battles than the game itself does
So sad to see this. I loved this game so much and bought so many premiums but the proliferation of radars, HE battleships, cv rework, subs, and paper 18" BB's have killed this game off due to the lack of balance
Sad fact: You wont get any balance ever again. Any attempt of releasing a balanced ship / line results in it being completely out of meta and noone playing it. Especially cruiser lines suffer.
It has spoiled the game in lots of ways, but I still hang in there. Subs aren't the end-all, but the carriers and the paper ships really do wear me out, too. I especially hate hybrid battleships and "Starships"!
I mean, when you keep an SS in the queue for a long period (>= 120s) this is exactly what happens. That caveat aside, the result is usually a 5v5 or 4v4. So yeah, this doesn't look good, but leave us not pretend that the SS CV has not weighted the results.
supercvs have an even more limited queue than normal superships so thats probably why this happened. not to mention off peak hours as 1pm is not exactly "mid afternoon."
It shouldn't happen at all is the problem. It happens cause not enough people are playing super CVS. But we know WG wants a percentage of players playing them, and so we can expect either a buff or a new super cv very soon to try to fix MM
You have to give them credit. They are an equal opportunity employer. Going so far as to include hiring people with an intellectual disability in management is highly regarded, especially with the doctors at the "institute". Cheers
I quit WoWs close to 4 years ago, a few months after the release of the Smolensk (Which is a big reason why I stopped playing). And I have to say I am quite surprised that the game is actually still alive and has not yet been put down.
everyone had one. at the time you could get a 19 k range with super accurate guns. combine with smoke, torps it's just not a fun ship to counter, it's an incredibly frustrating ship even in the hands of a potato.@@reviewthereviewer7034
@@reviewthereviewer7034 As far as I understand it... the Smolensk used to be completely busted when released. You could only really get it by throwing money at the screen, which made for the perfect combination: Only the people that were already stacked grabbed it (and that was quite a lot of people, mind you), which led to tons of Smolensks just sitting in every game and literring the sky with shells. Any battleship that pushed more than 5km out of spawn would essentially die within minutes. Therefore, the game just became a camp festival at Tier 8-10, which are, unsurprisingly, the most interesting Tiers for most players. And what did Wargaming do against it? That's right: nothing.
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@@Kvomii the russian bias killd the game for me, and smolensk was the begining
It's weird that a company would cater to what amount to 20% of their costumer base at the expense of the other 80. Sure initially it might not have been bad but as regular players leave the ones left shoulder the burden more and are driven off faster. Worse is that new player when they show up are herded into the mid and high tiers and immediately subjected to this. It's just insane because spreadsheets would show this trend but they keep pushing this insanity.
Only started playing a week ago, so just using tier 3 cruisers and destroyers. Are there any alternative naval battle games like this please? Can feel myself getting suckered in but think should find something else rather than ink time a be money into this
I am sad about that state of the game but I am incredibly happy that WEEGEE in their infinite wisdom are going to lose to their arrogance I am seriously hoping WEEGEE sells this incredible game to some company that can make it fun
they will probably just treat it like world of warplane, mostly ignoring it and letting its 10-100 players stay on and just rely on WOT, since they seem to keep it fairly well balanced minus a arty buff from time to time that destroys the balance.
A minimum of a 6 year rollback is required, keep the tree ships and balance them out. Make carriers before the rework and make them work for each kills and make the AA stronger to punish bad plays
I used to play this fairly often in the past, but eventually the negatives caught up and surpassed the positives. It's a shame, as there were some things like the special events I legit enjoyed.
I've seen this many times over the years, it happens when a CV player can't find an opponent, so they stay in que for over 5min. Then when another cv enters que it takes everyone in que and launchs, even if there is only a couple.
It's not even sad, just pathetic. I hope the guys from the graphics department get a job that is appropriate for their skills. Also, people don't want to play, it just means we must add more premium subs and carriers
Send this to Jingles I started playing this game in highschool 9 years ago.. during open beta tests. It was amazing back then. All the way up to the CV rework it was just amazing, no complaints other than Radar going though islands ((Now we have so much more the worry/complain about)) This game was my escape, to get away from stress of school work and sometimes my parents. It WAS Fun and Engaging, but not anymore. It hasn't been that in Years.. It's very sad to see a game with so much potential end up in the toilet.
long ago, the only steady full teams have been in co-op. a note: couple days ago, a russian soldier in ukr was intercepted talking to his wife on cellphone commented the #1 played online game in rus was WOT. that may be where their money is going.
It was so sad to see the wot/wows numbers on russian server drop by like 30% immediately when they rounded up people to throw in the woodchipper for putin's insane vanity war.
Was looking forward for such games for years, youtube tells me for 8 years (since 1.0, even before tbh). They get what they worked for, love it, wonder who will pay for premium ships when there is nobody left
I've started playing in open beta from mid 2015 till early 2019 on EU. CV rework ruined it for me, although I played other classes on and off for one more year before quitting for good. I've joined a clan and with it a discord server that at its top had 200+ players from all servers. Nowadays I think there's 2-3 people still playing it across that server.
Tried coming back a few weeks ago after a 5 year break due to the CV revamp. After 8 losses in a row while getting torped and set on fire the entire time I'd had enough.
i had a T10/T11 game on 12th of August at 11:44 AM which was a random battle 6 vs. 6. i was wondering what happend... i have done some screenshots, because i cant believe this.
@@vende6137 I don't think many people think it's representative in general, but it is representative of the downward spiral. WG can only shit on people so much until there's nothing but whales left.
Myself and 5 other mates had played the game for 5 years non stop. I stopped playing and deleted it from my PC 6 months ago I couldn't stand the direction the game has gone. Not one of my other 5 friends has the game installed anymore. Well done WG your ignorance and arrogance have destroyed a once brilliant game
I play wows since 2017-18 and just witness the downhill show that WG decision made during the years is just pain. I stoped playing so much since submarine come to be a thing, CV were pure frustration but sumarines just become a greek torture.
now hold up, what time zone and what time exactly? 1 PM right? is it like 01.00 in the night time? because i hate to separate PM and EU time each other.
pm and eu time what? 1pm is 13:00, one in the afternoon. I think flambass is in central EU time, maybe Central EU+1 not sure, but either way it'd be early afternoon.
I quit about a year after the carrier rework. Not sure how many ago that is. I think I've logged back in once or twice, but it's just not as much fun as it used to be.
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what would be 5 things u change like immediately if u were in charge?
I played the game a little, and while the aiming is better than WT naval, the fact that SO MANY OF MY ROUNDS go over or below where I aim is incredibly stupid.
Funny enough, I don't doubt for a second that WG would watch this and say "See, we were right! It was a close game.", never even getting the point that this whole thing sucks.
I think the key words uttered were "waste of time". I like to see Flambass play, and Jingles' commentary is historical and hilarious. And that's about the only thing good I can say about WoWS. Don't even get me started on WoT.
I thought gaijin was the most stubborn company out there in gaming but at least their corporate recognized the backlash against war thunder would eventually kill the game. Wargaming has now become that and looks like they will never change and never accept that they did something wrong, their ego killed it.
Flambass you should know or have you forgotten if a cv has been sitting in que waiting for 5min then the next cv is auto drop into game regardless I have been in hundreds like this 2 is rare but yep been there
I read a lot of comments complaining they added this ship, and the add cv's they added subs etc. Embrace it, learn how to play them. Only then you realize they are not overpowered as you might think. Man up and learn how to counter these ships.
I never play random anymore some rank and CB only. Any mode where I don't have to play with subs or CVs, but its getting worse and worse and I'm playing less and less.
I made a few battles (>tier 6) a couple of weeks ago, during the weekend (day) and it was almost a bot battles... In like 10 battles I didn't lost one. every battle was with a different ship... won all. Even when I played extremely bad.
Well I was focusing on festive rewards and am at tier 7 now only a couple of hundred ships left to grind but they were all full matches at about 1pm yesterday.
Super ship in queue longer than 4 minutes this is what happens. You need to leave queue before four minutes and hope other guy does also otherwise this happens.
I tried to get into the game after a 2 year or so break. 2 days was enough for the another years of pause :D If it ever gets back into playable state let me know please.
I quit the game when they released submarines. I started playing WoWs in spring 2015 in closed beta and invested a lot of money for premium accounts and ships - and I really loved playing it. But I do not further want to support Wargaming with my money after a so many bad decisions in the last years (introduction of tier XI, removal of camouflages, subs, new CV gameplay)... I wish Wargaming would read this comment section and could see the amount of disappointment they are responsible for.
The super carrier matchmaker has been horrible for a while, I noticed it takes quite long to get games on Sekiryu no matter what time it is, and in some cases I get games similar to what we're seeing here and/or with just a few more ships. The MM is faster on Devastation other non-CV ships.
the only reason that Georgia survived was because you kept missing entire supertorp drops. That's about it. The ONLY way a ship can survive against a supercarrier is if the supercarrier makes mistakes. 10/10 design.
Been there since closed beta when the game was fun...now, what a joke. The game is painful to play and very dissatisfying. The very first group of people to reinvent this game with no Cv's, no subs, or an opt out button to not play with trolls is a billionaire.
Picks super cv midworking day, breaks the MM on his own, complains, plays so shit almost loses a 1 vs 1 eith a Georgia in an EAGLE. Truly impressive I must say.
so if someone waits for more than 5 min the matchmaker seems to make whatever match it can. Im guessing the other cv waited more than 5min, if you want to avoid this cancel the queue before you hit 5 min
i had this happen from time to time too... but so far only if i queue in tier11 ships.... if i dont't the game still looks quite lively.... so maybe it is your choice of ship more than the actual state of the game?
I used to play alot back when the game released. The game is much more simpler back then battleship beat cruiser. Cruiser beat destroyer and destroyer beat battleship.
2 years ago, i had a match with a 1v1 Carrier battle at tier 6. It was the most surreal battle i had lmao. We just rammed each other to finish the game
Its ironic, when wows first came out it was a breathof fresh air. You knew if you were spotted, and the initial skills reworks went fine. Then CV rework and subs - something changed, they went from player friendly, to transaction focused. GG
Omg, forgot to mention the match maker. Seriously, any third grader in the world could do a better job at match making. Who wants to play a game where the results are your entire team is dead, they still have 3/4 of their ships. I have ships with a 30% win rate, I have ships in the high 60% win rate and one ship at 70%, well over a thousand games in it. It's not the ships you need to match, it's the player's skill with a particular ship that matters the most. Cannot even believe those people still have a job. Who could mess something up that badly and still get paid for their work?
I left when they changed the CV to how they are now, I lost my main line in one update, with them removing half of the carriers, I tried switching but it never was the same
Its a known bug with matchmaker, Superships that stay in queue for so long, it panics and starts a game with whatever it has ready to queue up as soon as the 2nd SS queues up. Its been in teh game for as long as I can remember. Used to happen with regular CVs that sat in queue so long by themselves. You have to back out of the queue before the 2 min mark and requeue
In since early beta, but about to bow out even after cutting back to playing just a few games a week. The game is now a toxic mess with few redeaming features. Getting away from both CVs and subs, it's easy to see the basics of the game (gunnery) is just pure busted!
The people aren't gone, Flambass, they're just not in the Randoms anymore. People caught on that the Random MM is what actually screws people over, with the weird team choices and such. Instead we've moved to Operations and Co-Op. I'm writing this after almost 12 hours of Co-Op today where everyone is just nice, has a common goal and the MM is almost a mirror for whatever's on your Team. No one cares that there's a sub or CV, they just work to eliminate them. It was 12 hours of actual FUN in boats. And unless they fix the MM in Randoms and Ranked, folks are probably just going to stay here if they want to actually enjoy the game (not just the core gameplay of it of, well, shooting at things, but the work that's gone into the model and map improvements that you barely have time to notice during a Random or Ranked).
Haven't seen this but playing tier 8 and have been put into a lot of tier 10 games. Honestly ranked to some degree has saved my experience cause ya its becoming crazy. So much money grabbing now.
Nice job Wargaming! 2-4 minute wait times, an average of one 6v6 random battle a day and that's NA server during the day. And now seeing this. What a joke!
I remember I played this right after release, and it was so much fun, especially with battleships and carriers. And I also fondly recall playing Cleveland. Such a beast back then. But I quit it in a year or two cause of getting bored and never came back. I'm so glad I did so 😅
It's crazy to think that in the future it will be even harder to get the solo warrior achievement... Because games won't be big enough to hold four players on each side
I remember spending hours and hours playing this game with friends... now its painful to even launch the game
So true, I used to really enjoy playing but now it's about once a week at most!!!
Might as well abandon ship at this point
It's really not that bad lol. Only late night EST hours is it a bit dead for t6 and lower, t7+ can still find games within a minute usually. And in the evening its fine all around
My friends and I played this game from the Beta all the way up to the CV rework and then dropped it. I sincerely hope a competent and sane developer eventually releases something that scratches the same itch.
@@tewbs Fine ? playing with boomer noobs all day is fine ? maybe for you i guess
wow, so ignoring every piece of negative feedback ever and just reassuring themselves they were making smart decisions WASN'T the call??? Who would have guessed?!
Logged on for the first time in ages yesterday, two 3 minute battles in which my team so dominated the enemy it was a joke. My Yama still performed but two or three citadels and then it was over. Boring af
this match is not the norm, you know that right? there are still roughly playing the same amount of people at any given time than 5 years ago.
who would've guessed communism doesn't work even with video games
If you squint hard enough, you can see he's playing a supercarrier. If you queue a long time in a supercarrier, it messes up the matchmaking.
@@ElmalabAh yes, almost no player growth in 5 years, a clear sign of a healthy game!
I followed this game and this channel for years. It's nuts WoWs got to this point. If only Wargaming listened to Flambass' common sense. Flambino I'm happy you diversified your channel with other games seeing WoWs is dying. I enjoy many of your other playthroughs even though I originally came for WoWs. Keep up the lovely work. Cheers from Canada.
This is sad, but on a positive note I give a round of applause for that Georgia player, making the best of a bad job. Did amazingly well to not only last that long, but to get so close to winning. Planning on upgrading my PC in November to start sim racing, looks like I am doing it in the nick of time.
Played since the CBT and quit when subs were added. Real shame, WG can't take away the fun and good memories I already had with the game but still just sad to see what they did. RIP WoWS
Same. I took breaks periodically, and usually only came back when there was a historic tech tree (the German and British battlecruisers for example), but subs, on top of the carriers, and now a bunch of cruisers with auto-bombers, just no. There are other naval games, there are mods for those games, I can make do elsewhere.
Same. The carriers were already a hit on my interest, but it was still kind of alright until carriers and AA got reworked. Then subs came and it was over. WoWs is truly a masterclass in how to kill your own game.
Same
Yeah I had already kind of been drifting away when they "reworked" skill trees to blatantly add a fuck ton more grind and nerf free commander xp generation, but they were the nail. They just never should have been added they were just as impossible to make fun for EITHER side as everyone said. Say what you want about CV, but least if you got near it every class could just shot it.
Then we got dogshit like T11 and that just further convinced me I'd made the right call, my wallet thanked me at least
As a DD player, when they first let carrier players manually control their drops hurt
I'm so glad I quit 4 years ago. The moment they allowed CVs into Clan Battles, I was gone. They were my last refuge from the airborne menace.
Yep, after the CV rework all went to hell
@@craftysnail5912 exacly,i just want to right about that,in the past wg did films about history,and than they did cv rework,and same paper rusian cvs was added ,and stop talking about history🙂..now its SF game
I quit after they released a completely broken Belfast right before a T7 ranked season. Specifically when Flamu interviewed one of the devs about it and all he did was gaslight the strength of the ship and referred to the ranked season as "the most successful one to date". That was when I realized these people _really_ do not give a shit about their players and are completely unapologetic about pay to win cash grabs.
I still enjoy watching other people play, but from all I've seen my assessment was spot on.
old system cvs is completely better the new rework cv is stupid, but how about the broken subs? :)
Introducing Subs didn't help any either.
Ironically it is ships such as the carrier in this game that are killing WOWS. "Who would want to be this guy" he says as unlimited waves of planes bully the guy into oblivion.
I found that quite ironic as well
I don't think its ironic, he was more saying it to prove his point. Who would want to be that guy?
Not about the ships. It's all about a company who doesn't want to hear any negative feedback from its own customers.
CV's have been in the game since day one. They aren't the problem.
@@moosehead9706 Submarines really are :))
Played the game since CBT… rest now sweet prince
Sad times
sadge
CBT 😳
salty prince most of the time
@@hamakaze9812 haha you are full of filth^^ playing the game just might feel like CBT though...
I quit the game a year ago, but have thousands of hours over the years I was active.
She's been mismanaged and molested by Wargaming for far too long. Let her rest now.
Painful as it may be, the memories of the times we had will have to suffice.
The sad part is I do not think we will get a successor to this game for a long time.
I recently quit WOWs, after 5 years of playing. 300 + ships, including 50 Tier 10s. I just could not stand it anymore. CVs and Subs in EVERY game. It´s just not fun anymore.
Same, just uninstalled it a month ago.... Been in the game since CBT and I was the 11th person in the EU to install the CBT game.
I left it as soon as they announced submarines
Funny thing is I saw plenty of people in the EU server in co-op during that time. I wonder if people are just fed up with randoms and went "nah, let's just do co-op, screw randoms."
Anniversary points.
It's just so much faster to farm them in coop.
@@treeherder42 That's true, but I also rarely see the co-op matches full of bots on the player side.
I Play for fun, coop is much More fun then randoms These days. So we dont play randoms…
@@moritzbettermann3341 I've always played mainly co-op. I'm not very good in randoms and even so I've been paired up in clueless teams so I gave up on randoms quickly. Co-op is enjoyable to me still.
easier and more reliable way to make youre tasks happening. The way there are setup is anoying and takes away even more from random battles than the game itself does
So sad to see this. I loved this game so much and bought so many premiums but the proliferation of radars, HE battleships, cv rework, subs, and paper 18" BB's have killed this game off due to the lack of balance
Sad fact: You wont get any balance ever again. Any attempt of releasing a balanced ship / line results in it being completely out of meta and noone playing it. Especially cruiser lines suffer.
It has spoiled the game in lots of ways, but I still hang in there. Subs aren't the end-all, but the carriers and the paper ships really do wear me out, too. I especially hate hybrid battleships and "Starships"!
@@xray86deltastarships?
Totally agree, only difference is I was aware of the direction this game was taking 3 years ago. The subs were the last straw.
Cant they just have carriers and subs in a seperate battles, not like anyone will miss their presence
you're watching the supercarrier queue, its almost there :)
I mean, when you keep an SS in the queue for a long period (>= 120s) this is exactly what happens. That caveat aside, the result is usually a 5v5 or 4v4. So yeah, this doesn't look good, but leave us not pretend that the SS CV has not weighted the results.
supercvs have an even more limited queue than normal superships so thats probably why this happened. not to mention off peak hours as 1pm is not exactly "mid afternoon."
It shouldn't happen at all is the problem. It happens cause not enough people are playing super CVS. But we know WG wants a percentage of players playing them, and so we can expect either a buff or a new super cv very soon to try to fix MM
You have to give them credit. They are an equal opportunity employer. Going so far as to include hiring people with an intellectual disability in management is highly regarded, especially with the doctors at the "institute".
Cheers
They tried to make it World of Warplanes over the years. Now there's a lot of planes. And the playerbase is going to look similar, too...
I quit WoWs close to 4 years ago, a few months after the release of the Smolensk (Which is a big reason why I stopped playing). And I have to say I am quite surprised that the game is actually still alive and has not yet been put down.
Casual viewer here, why did you quit after the Smolensk
everyone had one. at the time you could get a 19 k range with super accurate guns. combine with smoke, torps it's just not a fun ship to counter, it's an incredibly frustrating ship even in the hands of a potato.@@reviewthereviewer7034
@@reviewthereviewer7034 As far as I understand it... the Smolensk used to be completely busted when released. You could only really get it by throwing money at the screen, which made for the perfect combination: Only the people that were already stacked grabbed it (and that was quite a lot of people, mind you), which led to tons of Smolensks just sitting in every game and literring the sky with shells.
Any battleship that pushed more than 5km out of spawn would essentially die within minutes. Therefore, the game just became a camp festival at Tier 8-10, which are, unsurprisingly, the most interesting Tiers for most players.
And what did Wargaming do against it? That's right: nothing.
@@Kvomii the russian bias killd the game for me, and smolensk was the begining
@ Well now it's basically every nation (except Japan lol)
But yeah that and CVs were pretty much the end of balance.
Rest in piss, you were too good for your dev team. Art department were the homies though
It's weird that a company would cater to what amount to 20% of their costumer base at the expense of the other 80.
Sure initially it might not have been bad but as regular players leave the ones left shoulder the burden more and are driven off faster.
Worse is that new player when they show up are herded into the mid and high tiers and immediately subjected to this.
It's just insane because spreadsheets would show this trend but they keep pushing this insanity.
I also had a 2v2 randoms match once. Ome cruiser one sub. Spent most of the match capping and running around. Fun and engaging gameplay
Only started playing a week ago, so just using tier 3 cruisers and destroyers. Are there any alternative naval battle games like this please? Can feel myself getting suckered in but think should find something else rather than ink time a be money into this
I am sad about that state of the game but I am incredibly happy that WEEGEE in their infinite wisdom are going to lose to their arrogance
I am seriously hoping WEEGEE sells this incredible game to some company that can make it fun
they will probably just treat it like world of warplane, mostly ignoring it and letting its 10-100 players stay on and just rely on WOT, since they seem to keep it fairly well balanced minus a arty buff from time to time that destroys the balance.
ITS WHAT IVE BEING SAYING FOR MONTHS! Co Op is the only thing that will save wows now or a FOUR YEAR ROLL BACK! Cheers
A minimum of a 6 year rollback is required, keep the tree ships and balance them out. Make carriers before the rework and make them work for each kills and make the AA stronger to punish bad plays
i agree ive tryed to give wows the best chance but after 5k battles i really cant deal with all the bs anymore
I used to play this fairly often in the past, but eventually the negatives caught up and surpassed the positives. It's a shame, as there were some things like the special events I legit enjoyed.
what you said. I left after subs.
I've seen this many times over the years, it happens when a CV player can't find an opponent, so they stay in que for over 5min. Then when another cv enters que it takes everyone in que and launchs, even if there is only a couple.
It's not even sad, just pathetic. I hope the guys from the graphics department get a job that is appropriate for their skills.
Also, people don't want to play, it just means we must add more premium subs and carriers
I quit playing after joining my friends because everyone who was playing was an old salt. The learning curve was incredibly steep even before subs.
Send this to Jingles
I started playing this game in highschool 9 years ago.. during open beta tests. It was amazing back then. All the way up to the CV rework it was just amazing, no complaints other than Radar going though islands ((Now we have so much more the worry/complain about)) This game was my escape, to get away from stress of school work and sometimes my parents. It WAS Fun and Engaging, but not anymore. It hasn't been that in Years.. It's very sad to see a game with so much potential end up in the toilet.
Who knew making balancing decisions and adding a ship class nobody wanted would backfire!
What balancing decisions?
Sorry if i missed a lot, haven't played WoWs in a good while.
long ago, the only steady full teams have been in co-op. a note: couple days ago, a russian soldier in ukr was intercepted talking to his wife on cellphone commented the #1 played online game in rus was WOT. that may be where their money is going.
It was so sad to see the wot/wows numbers on russian server drop by like 30% immediately when they rounded up people to throw in the woodchipper for putin's insane vanity war.
Sad for Georgia he did really well and almost got the pelt.
Was looking forward for such games for years, youtube tells me for 8 years (since 1.0, even before tbh). They get what they worked for, love it, wonder who will pay for premium ships when there is nobody left
I've started playing in open beta from mid 2015 till early 2019 on EU. CV rework ruined it for me, although I played other classes on and off for one more year before quitting for good.
I've joined a clan and with it a discord server that at its top had 200+ players from all servers. Nowadays I think there's 2-3 people still playing it across that server.
This happens to me often over here on NA. just yesterday I had like 4 games like this. They weren't 2v2s but they were like 4v4 and 5v5
Tried coming back a few weeks ago after a 5 year break due to the CV revamp. After 8 losses in a row while getting torped and set on fire the entire time I'd had enough.
It was submarines that did it for me, logged in for the first time in 3/4 years today, and most of the players were bots! Such a shame
I would say that the core of the player base is quite old witch would mean that at 13:00 Hours most are probably working maybe thats the reason.
i had a T10/T11 game on 12th of August at 11:44 AM which was a random battle 6 vs. 6. i was wondering what happend... i have done some screenshots, because i cant believe this.
Yah, because it's a statistical anomaly or a technical thing. This is not representative, i wonder why most people here think it is.
the supership queues are pretty busted right now because it turns out people got tired of playing superships.
Yesterday (Sunday) Evening i had two 9 vs.9 battles (Random) on the EU-Server one on T7 and one on T6, i played in a 2 man Divi.
@@vende6137 I don't think many people think it's representative in general, but it is representative of the downward spiral. WG can only shit on people so much until there's nothing but whales left.
Myself and 5 other mates had played the game for 5 years non stop. I stopped playing and deleted it from my PC 6 months ago I couldn't stand the direction the game has gone. Not one of my other 5 friends has the game installed anymore. Well done WG your ignorance and arrogance have destroyed a once brilliant game
I play wows since 2017-18 and just witness the downhill show that WG decision made during the years is just pain. I stoped playing so much since submarine come to be a thing, CV were pure frustration but sumarines just become a greek torture.
now hold up, what time zone and what time exactly? 1 PM right? is it like 01.00 in the night time?
because i hate to separate PM and EU time each other.
pm and eu time what? 1pm is 13:00, one in the afternoon. I think flambass is in central EU time, maybe Central EU+1 not sure, but either way it'd be early afternoon.
Georgia after game: "Please rate your satisfaction with this game" 🤮🤮🤮
I quit about a year after the carrier rework. Not sure how many ago that is. I think I've logged back in once or twice, but it's just not as much fun as it used to be.
what would be 5 things u change like immediately if u were in charge?
I played the game a little, and while the aiming is better than WT naval, the fact that SO MANY OF MY ROUNDS go over or below where I aim is incredibly stupid.
When half the reds became untouchable CVs and subs was the time I started playing Starfield 90% of the time.
Funny enough, I don't doubt for a second that WG would watch this and say "See, we were right! It was a close game.", never even getting the point that this whole thing sucks.
I think the key words uttered were "waste of time". I like to see Flambass play, and Jingles' commentary is historical and hilarious. And that's about the only thing good I can say about WoWS. Don't even get me started on WoT.
I thought gaijin was the most stubborn company out there in gaming but at least their corporate recognized the backlash against war thunder would eventually kill the game. Wargaming has now become that and looks like they will never change and never accept that they did something wrong, their ego killed it.
Flambass you should know or have you forgotten if a cv has been sitting in que waiting for 5min then the next cv is auto drop into game regardless I have been in hundreds like this 2 is rare but yep been there
nah he would rather be salty and have a clickbait title for his video
@@Fezz206 To be fair, it's not exactly clickbait to say the game is dying, overall player count is dropping, not increasing.
I read a lot of comments complaining they added this ship, and the add cv's they added subs etc. Embrace it, learn how to play them. Only then you realize they are not overpowered as you might think. Man up and learn how to counter these ships.
I never play random anymore some rank and CB only. Any mode where I don't have to play with subs or CVs, but its getting worse and worse and I'm playing less and less.
I hope this is what everyone who queues CV and especially super CV has to play
I made a few battles (>tier 6) a couple of weeks ago, during the weekend (day) and it was almost a bot battles... In like 10 battles I didn't lost one. every battle was with a different ship... won all. Even when I played extremely bad.
Well I was focusing on festive rewards and am at tier 7 now only a couple of hundred ships left to grind but they were all full matches at about 1pm yesterday.
We only see matchmaking like that on the NA server in the early morning hours
The only way I'll download this game again, is if they decide to bring back the Big Hunt Sci-Fi event battles.
Super ship in queue longer than 4 minutes this is what happens. You need to leave queue before four minutes and hope other guy does also otherwise this happens.
I tried to get into the game after a 2 year or so break. 2 days was enough for the another years of pause :D If it ever gets back into playable state let me know please.
I quit the game when they released submarines.
I started playing WoWs in spring 2015 in closed beta and invested a lot of money for premium accounts and ships - and I really loved playing it.
But I do not further want to support Wargaming with my money after a so many bad decisions in the last years (introduction of tier XI, removal of camouflages, subs, new CV gameplay)...
I wish Wargaming would read this comment section and could see the amount of disappointment they are responsible for.
The super carrier matchmaker has been horrible for a while, I noticed it takes quite long to get games on Sekiryu no matter what time it is, and in some cases I get games similar to what we're seeing here and/or with just a few more ships. The MM is faster on Devastation other non-CV ships.
the only reason that Georgia survived was because you kept missing entire supertorp drops. That's about it. The ONLY way a ship can survive against a supercarrier is if the supercarrier makes mistakes. 10/10 design.
Had a battle like this a few years ago, and thing 2v2, cv and bb battle. Crazy
Been there since closed beta when the game was fun...now, what a joke. The game is painful to play and very dissatisfying. The very first group of people to reinvent this game with no Cv's, no subs, or an opt out button to not play with trolls is a billionaire.
Picks super cv midworking day, breaks the MM on his own, complains, plays so shit almost loses a 1 vs 1 eith a Georgia in an EAGLE. Truly impressive I must say.
WoT never had this issue when it was at the same age WoWs is now. Funny how that works isnt it?
@@19Crusader91WoT is also substantially bigger. Funny how that works
@@19Crusader91 wot games also last about 3 minutes on average so that's kinda hard to compare.
@@ainumahtar Thats not point you dented gluesniffer.
I tried but the grind to the top tier ships is way too much
If they took the CVS and SUBS out of the game they would have a TREMENDOUS influx of players back. They are just STUPID in management decisions.
ive been playing a lot lately and never had sometiny battle like this lol did WoWs come back?
So much less stress after ditching this 😁, freed up cash to go and pursue iRacing instead
so if someone waits for more than 5 min the matchmaker seems to make whatever match it can. Im guessing the other cv waited more than 5min, if you want to avoid this cancel the queue before you hit 5 min
This is what the silent majority wanted. Didnt you see the random lines they drew and called graphs?
The Matchmaker servers at their peak at 1pm
today saturday 30 of september, the game was pretty strange first time e see a 5v5 on random battles at 9 am brazil time.
Carriers and subs plus power creep killed wows.. its a real shame because early on they really kept a lid on it.
i had this happen from time to time too... but so far only if i queue in tier11 ships.... if i dont't the game still looks quite lively.... so maybe it is your choice of ship more than the actual state of the game?
U-boats killed the fun of my games …. Frustrating and I stopped therefore random battles ..
I remember when we was in OMNI together and you joining. That was what 7 years ago. Mad to think but not surprised at games demise I left ages ago
I used to play alot back when the game released. The game is much more simpler back then battleship beat cruiser. Cruiser beat destroyer and destroyer beat battleship.
2 years ago, i had a match with a 1v1 Carrier battle at tier 6. It was the most surreal battle i had lmao. We just rammed each other to finish the game
Its ironic, when wows first came out it was a breathof fresh air. You knew if you were spotted, and the initial skills reworks went fine. Then CV rework and subs - something changed, they went from player friendly, to transaction focused. GG
That’s sad, but I appreciate the game bring me so much fun in the past.
Omg, forgot to mention the match maker. Seriously, any third grader in the world could do a better job at match making. Who wants to play a game where the results are your entire team is dead, they still have 3/4 of their ships. I have ships with a 30% win rate, I have ships in the high 60% win rate and one ship at 70%, well over a thousand games in it. It's not the ships you need to match, it's the player's skill with a particular ship that matters the most. Cannot even believe those people still have a job. Who could mess something up that badly and still get paid for their work?
got the same today on NA servers with Eagle. It was 9AM Pacific time. Not 2v2 but 7v7
I left when they changed the CV to how they are now, I lost my main line in one update, with them removing half of the carriers, I tried switching but it never was the same
From CBT to patch 0.8.0, then left, wanted to come back this summer, saw the forums got shut down and saw it wasnt worth it anymore.
I stopped playing 4 months ago, best decision ever... I'm way more relaxed :)
Had a 4v4 yesterday. Also with superCVs. A DD each. Kinda lost when our Marceau died to a Daring and we had to push. Good times.
Its a known bug with matchmaker, Superships that stay in queue for so long, it panics and starts a game with whatever it has ready to queue up as soon as the 2nd SS queues up. Its been in teh game for as long as I can remember. Used to happen with regular CVs that sat in queue so long by themselves. You have to back out of the queue before the 2 min mark and requeue
In since early beta, but about to bow out even after cutting back to playing just a few games a week. The game is now a toxic mess with few redeaming features. Getting away from both CVs and subs, it's easy to see the basics of the game (gunnery) is just pure busted!
The people aren't gone, Flambass, they're just not in the Randoms anymore. People caught on that the Random MM is what actually screws people over, with the weird team choices and such.
Instead we've moved to Operations and Co-Op. I'm writing this after almost 12 hours of Co-Op today where everyone is just nice, has a common goal and the MM is almost a mirror for whatever's on your Team.
No one cares that there's a sub or CV, they just work to eliminate them. It was 12 hours of actual FUN in boats. And unless they fix the MM in Randoms and Ranked, folks are probably just going to stay here if they want to actually enjoy the game (not just the core gameplay of it of, well, shooting at things, but the work that's gone into the model and map improvements that you barely have time to notice during a Random or Ranked).
I often see lots of people in coop
Haven't seen this but playing tier 8 and have been put into a lot of tier 10 games. Honestly ranked to some degree has saved my experience cause ya its becoming crazy. So much money grabbing now.
Once i was on a sekiryu and got a 3 v 3 cv surface ship sub format
Man I use to love taking battleships out, it makes me sad to see this is what’s become of the game
Nice job Wargaming! 2-4 minute wait times, an average of one 6v6 random battle a day and that's NA server during the day. And now seeing this. What a joke!
That's just crazy... I haven't been able to enjoy it for a while now but wow that's just rough for the game.
I remember I played this right after release, and it was so much fun, especially with battleships and carriers. And I also fondly recall playing Cleveland. Such a beast back then. But I quit it in a year or two cause of getting bored and never came back. I'm so glad I did so 😅
It's crazy to think that in the future it will be even harder to get the solo warrior achievement... Because games won't be big enough to hold four players on each side
I find it amusing that this battle was this long
Haven't played in months and never felt better