I love how Zach articulates the gap between the concepts of: 1) Phil desiring to obey Jesus by pleasing Him through actions motivated by his heart matured by the Holy Spirit, AND 2) Jase admitting that he cannot desire to obey Jesus UNLESS the Holy Spirit motivates his heart to do so. I love Zach! Thank you, brother!
I have hope that there are lots of people that read comments that pray. So y’all that will pray for me. I’m an addict that is trying to get help and get sober.
It's a day by day reliance on God. Sometimes minute by minute. Trust in Gods ability. You do what you can but trust in Gods ability to keep you sober. Also discipline yourself. Don't go to the places that you should not. Don't hang around the people that are a bad influence. Pray for Gods help.
I encourage you to read God's word daily. Addiction is in the mind where the enemy messes with your thoughts and implants lies. Renew your mind through the washing of His word. The more you grasp who God is the more empowered you will be as His child. And you can only get to really know Him by reading His word. To make it easy get yourself a one year bible. Get one that's divided into daily old testament new testament psalms and proverbs readings. Spend some time in prayer daily. Ask Him to speak to you every day as you read His word. Truly commit yourself to Him. Then...get ready for your life to change! My mother has struggled with alcohol for over 20 years and it wasnt until she got serious about the things I've just suggested that she finally got set free from it. Hallelujah! Thank you Jesus! I will pray for you!
Love the conversation. Sounds like Jace doesn’t believe in free will past the decision to say yes to the Lord. Love these guys so much. Keep pursuing truth. Love, love, and love!
I hate semantic arguments not properly delivered. It seems Jase is trying to stress that Jesus/THS/God being in you is like some Disney movie with little creatures pulling levers and pushing switches inside a person. I'm with Phil. Yes Jesus/THS/God is in us, but they are PART of us, not some beneficial parasite living in there that just happens to do good. Yes the OLD 'I' is dead, but there is still an "I" in layman's terms, though to be more grammatically accurate the phrase should be "we" can do good as in "I + Jesus/THS/God".
As with most things, it's BOTH. We are not yet in our perfect, renewed bodies. So our imperfect shells are still a part of it as is our own unique personalities. Otherwise we would see all 4 gospels as carbon copies, in stead they are from the unique lens of perspective and moment of faith each author brought to the work of writing.
I like what Jase is saying. The only good we as humans can do is accepting the Holy Spirit. It’s the Holy Spirit that does our good works. So on my gravestone I’d want it to say that I was a child of God, not a good man
No matter how long ago this lesson occured,it's valid n so appropriate even today.Thanks for the way God uses you brethren to guide us at home.God's Word is truly a lamp unto our ft n light unto our path.🙏🙏
Great show! Just a thought: the book of James talks about in 2:18 “I will show you my faith by my works.” Gentlemen because we are crucified with Christ and adopted sons and daughters our desire and actions will reflect it. This is Sanctification and it’s only worked out through faithfulness and the Holy Spirit. We have two natures the Flesh and the Spirit. Before our salvation we only knew sin because we were sin. But because we have been saved by grace our works and deeds will prove it. Matthew chapter 7 “not every one who says to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of God, but he who does the will of my father.”
Yes. We have to say yes to what the Holy Spirit is leading us to do. Therefore we can do good just by saying yes and completing what God is wanting us to do.
I Agree 💯! So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits. Matthew 7:17-20 ESV
I understand what your saying Jase! I don’t do good! I make a decision to let God that is the Holy Spirit do good through me. The good i do is him and him alone!
I believe the spirit lives in me and guides me. The issue comes when I stumble and sin. If "I" were dead and it's only the spirit in me, then I would not be to blame? I believe these semantic issues are the reason we have so many religions and make it hard to bring unbelievers to Christ, because they feel even we can't agree. Sometimes we need to let these things go. I work at a job that has me alone and working outside year round. Your podcast has filled my time with direction for my walk with Jesus. Thank you.
thank you all very much. romans 7:7 Hebrews 10:26 romans 12:2 Galatians 5 :16 Hebrews 4 :15 .Hebrews 9:4 revelation 11:19 revelation 12:17 revelation 14:12 John 14:15 romans14:5 faith come by hearing and hearing by the good news testimony . human shall not live on bread alone intent will be in the balance much love and respect Mr Robertson is on fire tonight .John 14:12-14 Mathew 5:48
Jase, I agree with you because of this. Every time I entertain the thought that "I got this" when it comes to making my own decisions about what is good for me to do, I fail. The lesson of my righteousness being as filthy rags is not just a verse to me. It has been proven over and over. It is The Holy Spirit that gives me any desire to do good and if I allow myself, my tendencies are to take credit for those acts that would never have been my idea but for The Spirit of God living in me.
They needed to break out the part where he who abideth in Christ sinneth not. Phil should have hammered that home because I believe that was his intent and idea all along, but make no bones about it, abiding in Christ is a daily moment by moment choice that includes saying yes to the Holy Spirit’s prompting and no to worldliness.
I think Paul was talking about the old man is now dead. Then you are a new man that desires to do what is right because the Holy Spirit now lives in us helping us to do what is right. Indeed it is Him working in the believer.
This is what bible study is supposed to be I believe. Both are arguing different points and I agree with both. One is personal behavior and once you’ve surrounded and have your bearings about you, you can finally go around doing good (helping fellow man) This is what I gained from this bible study “debate”. The apple does not fall from the tree. Awesome as always
Zacks description of sin is good. Well done Z. The argument sounds like it is about "why" we do good on one side of the table and "how" we do good in the other.
The best discussion I've herd you all have as of yet. Very good points very respectful to the Lord. If we could sit down together drink a cup of coffee discuss our issues not try to kill each other what a good deal for mankind. Great job men.
I know I'm late to listening and commenting to this episode. Since I've been saved and became a child of God. I feel like it's with that child like obedience of wanting to please my father that pushes me to pray and seek His will over mine.
Once again it is Phil with the correct interpretation. It is Christ in you that makes it possible to do good. The old man is dead yet you still SPEAK, WALK, SEE AND THINK!! So if the old man is dead how is that possible?? Its possible because you are now one in and with CHRIST. JUST AS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER ARE ONE.
If only our motive to do good was to reveal Christ in you and not receive accolades for the good we do. When my motives aren't in check, I find myself striving for recognition for the good works as supposed to witnessing to others Jesus Christ in me. That said, pursing good works for God's glory using good works to share the gospel, this fulfills the purpose of serving others in Christ.
I hear you loud and clear Zach! Once you've experienced the love and it's been continually shown itself. And there's been true repentance, the Holy Spirit shows up and stays!❤🙏
Excellent , Discussion!! My earthly Father and I had this Discussion twenty years ago.He said He was perfect. To my knowledge He believe that until He left his body and received His knew body. Thank You Zach.Yes, Phil.We not good until We receive our new body.
In sanctification, the Holy Spirit "works in you , both to will and to work " according to God's purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires( Philippians 2:12,13). Christian's become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus ( "the fruit of the Spirit") is progressively formed in them (2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 4:19; 5:22-25). Always remember, God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thesssalonians 4:4, 5:23). Love your show!!
I like what Mr. Phil is saying, I like to think about the “doing good” as us being the vehicle that transports the blessings that The Holy Spirit motivates us to do. Because we are a new creature born again with His Holy Spirit in us we now trust and want to believe Him and obey Him in serving others. His Holy Spirit in us Motivates us. We can do good and we can ignore His prompting. Love You Brothers! Great Conversation.
I just love listening to you all teach the word of God. I work Sundays 7 to 7 so i don't get to go to Church, and you guys are such a blessing. I'm glad i found your podcast.
@@paulklemer i work for a living i work 3 12 hr shifts Fri Sat n Sun, I'm a single middle age women i have to survive. What a question to ask me when i said why i couldn't go smh, forgive me Lord!! Yes I'm saved and going to heaven 🙏 to be with my Lord n Savior n my Loved one's, PRAISE GOD. GOD BLESS THE ROBERTSON FAMILY, LOVE YOU ALL IN THE LORD!!
"... and the LIFE that I now LIVE IN THE FLESH, I LIVE by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." I'm still living, but my motivation is reversed. I'm LIVING because of faith from Jesus Christ. Kevin Bay
One of the best Christian men I've ever known said both of these things before., I once complimented him for something he did it said, he replied, "the glory belongs to God, not me. " Same man named Micha, when I said your name means 'like God ' He said. , "well, I am nothing like God " therefore i believe both if you here. Sometimes we can get un our own way, but more importantly can lead someone wrong, if they dont have the word to merely here our interpretation without the word would be insufficient
I always say.. ‘If you see any good in me, it’s Jesus.’ I was raised in a difficult situation and I understand that anything good in me came about through the influence of the Holy Spirit and those influenced by Him. That’s my personal testimony. 💜✝️😉 I guess the point is we are fully dependent on God. We’ll never be at a place where we are independently good.
I'm with Phil on this one because the I that is being commended to do good is the new I that has been reborn and led by the Spirit. The I that has been crucified in Christ is the old man. Phil is focussed on our new identity in Christ. If we are focussed on our new identity in Christ, we are more likely to do good and glorify Christ who lives in us. Constantly reminding ourselves that we are bad, sinners, etc impacts how we live. Part of being good is being humble and thankful realising that my goodness wouldn't be possible without the Spirit living in me.
@32:45 - Best way to explain what Jase is saying is like this. What Jase is saying is that life is like riding a bicycle. In the natural, we ride that bike and our hands are on the handlebars. When we are saved, we take our hands off the handle bars, and Christ steers. We still peddle the bike, but Jesus is steering. That gives us the same picture of works moving forward, but the direction is guided by God.
Amen! Another great, informative episode. We all grapple with sin today. It's so easy, around every corner you look. We greatly appreciate your Biblical discussions. Answers many questions that we have had as a family. God Bless your program!
Christians don't argue with each other, Jase since he had to ride with his in-laws hasn't been the same! As an outsider watching, Lord Jesus help Jase in Jesus name AMEN 👏👐❤
GREAT episode. Jace you are 100% correct. Our family has gone through this very debate for 30 years. We go through it under the question of "once saved always saved" or not, but it is the same debate. So let me ask you Phil this one question. The things you do today that are good, feeding the homeless, giving to the poor, spreading the Word of God, would you have done them before the Holy Spirit came into your heart? Then how can you say it is you doing good and not Him that is living through you? Another way to phrase it is "living in the Spirit". When you submit your actions to the Spirit within you then you do Godly things, but that is God working through you, not you. When you chose to live in your own strength (lose your temper, or fall to another temptation) you are living in YOUR strength and it never ends well. We make choices constantly in every thing we do and when we chose OUR way we are not good, but when we chose to live in the Spirit and let Him make our decisions we act on the Good within us. Great show, loved it and love you guys, you are truly a blessing. Never stop studying/discussing the Word.
I always love the show. I always super get where Jase is coming from. When I try to do good myself it’s like I’m resurrecting my dead selfish prideful self who can only do bad. When I let go and let God and willingly am led and am more open and obedient I, “Walking humbly”, my mistakes done feel shameful but covered and my goods don’t feel my own but naturally for and of God.
A.A.Ron Davis, I was a person who transgressed against divine law by committing immoral acts. Once I accepted Jesus into my heart, I recognized my lost state being apart from God, that forgiveness had been provided by Jesus. I renounced my sinful independence status and Jesus defined who I was created to be....I’m improved with him in my heart.
@A.A.Ron Davis She did not say the Holy Spirit is a sidekick. That's a classic straw man. When God saves us, he doesn't take away our freewill. He makes all things new and gives us a new "wanter". He doesn't want robots. He has all glory, with or without you and me. When God tells us, "welcome in my good and faithful servant". Is He welcoming himself?? We were "buried with Christ in death" BUT "raised with him in life"! Christ works with and through us!
@@thefarm4674 Yeah buddy. And those He doesn't choose, He literally says' "To Hell with you!". Thank you for being a consistent Calvinist. But thank God that it is just a man-made philosophy and not in the Bible! What a monster that would make God...
What about Jews. Muslims. And atheist that do good? Such as feeding the poor, clothing and housing the homeless. Giving to charity...although those are only works they are still good acts. Is it still the Holy Spirit at work in them?
That was a tough watch but I was convicted to my core about loving my brother. In my case it's literally my sister who I'm on again off again with. I know what I have to do... (As I grovel away to do a good deed with what little I have.) Love is a verb.
It has always been my understanding that once you live in Christ, the good doing comes from WANTING to do it to please Him. Because He wants us do, and we are doing our best to be obedient and we do it out of love for Him.
My take is this for what it's worth. The holy spirit lives IN us not FOR us. In other words we are still who we are but now have the holy spirit inside us also to help guide us along if that makes sense. It does to me. Thank you for the great topic to think about. God bless
In rebut to Phil...IMO when we do good; feed the homeless, help the poor, help our neighbor, etc...many times WE get more out of it than the person we helped, we feel better about ourselves as a Christian...we thank the holy spirit for that gesture and it propels us to it more often and to spread the Good News
Congratulations on 500K! What a wonderful witness and reach! 🙌🏻 it’s quite a debate, but we all understand it is God’s power and grace that keeps us (inclined) on the journey towards Him and becoming more like Him 💙🙏🏻 Much love to you all!
I definitely like what Jase is saying for the simple fact that for 32 years I went to church and did “good things” and was known as being a good boy or a good young man. When I was truly born again about 2 1/2 years ago, I finally realized that I believed that I was saved my entire life because of things that I did. “I” said the prayer, “I” walked the isle, “I” read my Bible, “I” told people about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It wasn’t until I was regenerated by the Holy Spirit that I finally understood that I was counting on my righteousness to be saved. So basically...Cross + My Works = Salvation. This is what Paul was opposing in the book of Galatians. I’ll even take it a step further and say that I believe that faith is a gift from God and not something you can do on your own. I think Paul tells us to do good but then let’s us know ultimately that it’s not us but Christ in us.
Man is justified by faith alone in Christ alone but the means is by Grace alone all of which are for and to the Glory of God alone. If one has made a decision to serve God it is of Grace not of man's own free will because the heart is wicked and evil we where conceived and born in sin man cannot and will not make a decision to serve the Lord unless God has made that possible by the means of God's Grace. He who began a good work in the true believer will complete it. I think you're on to something Jase keep it up. I'm encouraged to see you all zealous for truth.
Phil is correct. A really good book explaining this is called Walking in Victory by Dennis McCallum. It is easy to confuse this topic but understanding it is vital to living a free life.
@@ChibiPanda8888 sadly so. He has 2k comments on this channel he disagrees with. Imagine being that pathetic. Sad but true, lol. I mean can you imagine leaving 2k negative comments on a show like David Pakman or Sam Seder. Imagine feeling that empty.
Jesus + anything = nothing Jesus + nothing = Everything God bless you men, I enjoyed this episode thoroughly! I agree none are good but God, nothing good that I do comes from me, it is the fruit of THE SPIRIT which resides within me. 2 more weeks until big duck opener here in North Texas on a side note!! I can hardly stand it!
Phil you are a good man you have been saved all of your family are blessed. I have sinned just as you. Pretty much same as you have testified. I did the same. I love God Jesus and the holy spirit. I have repented and accept Jesus as my savior. You are forgiven. Love you all . Ronda from ky.
Free will.... God has autonimous free will are will is inclined by our sinfull nature. That sinfull nature is still present till glorification. We will not be free from it entirely till then.
While we are alive....we have freewill and the freedom to choose.....what we do is up to how we choose....if we choose good, we do good. If we choose to sin, we sin.
Jesus said, " Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your Lord."- Matt. 25:21
we are all sinners but once you welcome Christ into your life you want to do good for the love of Christ.. So yes you do good because you have Christ into your life..
Mr.Phil is correct in my opinion! The other belief just gives you a ticket to freely sin! God is a perfect gentleman. He gives us decisions on a daily basis to good or Evil. The choice is up to us. We have to choose good! Gods grace is sufficient to cover accidental mistakes/sins. If we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. Not a ticket to willful sin.
Free will is like a fork in the rode one path is stright ahead one path leads to the left the other to the right Destiny is realizing no matter wich path you took it all leads to the same spot Gods Will be done
I love how Zach articulates the gap between the concepts of:
1) Phil desiring to obey Jesus by pleasing Him through actions motivated by his heart matured by the Holy Spirit,
AND
2) Jase admitting that he cannot desire to obey Jesus UNLESS the Holy Spirit motivates his heart to do so.
I love Zach! Thank you, brother!
I believe that the holy spirit guides me to live a godly life in making godly decisions
I have hope that there are lots of people that read comments that pray. So y’all that will pray for me. I’m an addict that is trying to get help and get sober.
It's a day by day reliance on God. Sometimes minute by minute. Trust in Gods ability. You do what you can but trust in Gods ability to keep you sober. Also discipline yourself. Don't go to the places that you should not. Don't hang around the people that are a bad influence. Pray for Gods help.
I encourage you to read God's word daily. Addiction is in the mind where the enemy messes with your thoughts and implants lies. Renew your mind through the washing of His word. The more you grasp who God is the more empowered you will be as His child. And you can only get to really know Him by reading His word. To make it easy get yourself a one year bible. Get one that's divided into daily old testament new testament psalms and proverbs readings. Spend some time in prayer daily. Ask Him to speak to you every day as you read His word. Truly commit yourself to Him. Then...get ready for your life to change! My mother has struggled with alcohol for over 20 years and it wasnt until she got serious about the things I've just suggested that she finally got set free from it. Hallelujah! Thank you Jesus!
I will pray for you!
I will definitely pray for you, right now.
@@ILadyTexI thank you so much for the encouragement
You are either a new creation or an addict, take your pick.
Love the conversation. Sounds like Jace doesn’t believe in free will past the decision to say yes to the Lord.
Love these guys so much. Keep pursuing truth. Love, love, and love!
We are bondslaves to Christ and slaves lose their own will and over their Lord.
Jase is focussing on the death of the OLD man and Phil is focussing on the birth of NEW man.
You know, you just summed it up !!
I hate semantic arguments not properly delivered.
It seems Jase is trying to stress that Jesus/THS/God being in you is like some Disney movie with little creatures pulling levers and pushing switches inside a person.
I'm with Phil. Yes Jesus/THS/God is in us, but they are PART of us, not some beneficial parasite living in there that just happens to do good.
Yes the OLD 'I' is dead, but there is still an "I" in layman's terms, though to be more grammatically accurate the phrase should be "we" can do good as in "I + Jesus/THS/God".
As with most things, it's BOTH. We are not yet in our perfect, renewed bodies. So our imperfect shells are still a part of it as is our own unique personalities. Otherwise we would see all 4 gospels as carbon copies, in stead they are from the unique lens of perspective and moment of faith each author brought to the work of writing.
Perfectly summed it up 🤣
I like what Jase is saying. The only good we as humans can do is accepting the Holy Spirit. It’s the Holy Spirit that does our good works. So on my gravestone I’d want it to say that I was a child of God, not a good man
No matter how long ago this lesson occured,it's valid n so appropriate even today.Thanks for the way God uses you brethren to guide us at home.God's Word is truly a lamp unto our ft n light unto our path.🙏🙏
Great show! Just a thought: the book of James talks about in 2:18 “I will show you my faith by my works.” Gentlemen because we are crucified with Christ and adopted sons and daughters our desire and actions will reflect it. This is Sanctification and it’s only worked out through faithfulness and the Holy Spirit. We have two natures the Flesh and the Spirit. Before our salvation we only knew sin because we were sin. But because we have been saved by grace our works and deeds will prove it. Matthew chapter 7 “not every one who says to me ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the kingdom of God, but he who does the will of my father.”
Amen.. You are right..
Yes. We have to say yes to what the Holy Spirit is leading us to do. Therefore we can do good just by saying yes and completing what God is wanting us to do.
I Agree 💯!
So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Matthew 7:17-20 ESV
Amen God bless
I think the young boys need to listen to the old man because he’s absolutely right.
It complicated. I just do the best I can. Let them fight it out. Maybe before Jesus comes back.
Jewel I agree
He isn't.
Jase thinks he knows all, he doesn't want to learn from his dad.
@@kimmyadams9635 Amen
I understand what your saying Jase! I don’t do good! I make a decision to let God that is the Holy Spirit do good through me. The good i do is him and him alone!
Love how you guys discuss. I’m Learning how not to get heated when ‘discussing’ my views on the Bible by watching you guys !
I believe the spirit lives in me and guides me. The issue comes when I stumble and sin. If "I" were dead and it's only the spirit in me, then I would not be to blame? I believe these semantic issues are the reason we have so many religions and make it hard to bring unbelievers to Christ, because they feel even we can't agree. Sometimes we need to let these things go.
I work at a job that has me alone and working outside year round. Your podcast has filled my time with direction for my walk with Jesus. Thank you.
THAT IS YOUR FLESH TALKING THAT IS WHY WE HAVE TO RENEW OUR MIND EVERY DAY
thank you all very much. romans 7:7 Hebrews 10:26 romans 12:2 Galatians 5 :16 Hebrews 4 :15 .Hebrews 9:4 revelation 11:19 revelation 12:17 revelation 14:12 John 14:15 romans14:5 faith come by hearing and hearing by the good news testimony . human shall not live on bread alone intent will be in the balance much love and respect Mr Robertson is on fire tonight .John 14:12-14 Mathew 5:48
Jase, I agree with you because of this. Every time I entertain the thought that "I got this" when it comes to making my own decisions about what is good for me to do, I fail. The lesson of my righteousness being as filthy rags is not just a verse to me. It has been proven over and over. It is The Holy Spirit that gives me any desire to do good and if I allow myself, my tendencies are to take credit for those acts that would never have been my idea but for The Spirit of God living in me.
They needed to break out the part where he who abideth in Christ sinneth not. Phil should have hammered that home because I believe that was his intent and idea all along, but make no bones about it, abiding in Christ is a daily moment by moment choice that includes saying yes to the Holy Spirit’s prompting and no to worldliness.
“Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.”
James 2:17 NKJV
I think Paul was talking about the old man is now dead. Then you are a new man that desires to do what is right because the Holy Spirit now lives in us helping us to do what is right. Indeed it is Him working in the believer.
This is what bible study is supposed to be I believe. Both are arguing different points and I agree with both. One is personal behavior and once you’ve surrounded and have your bearings about you, you can finally go around doing good (helping fellow man) This is what I gained from this bible study “debate”. The apple does not fall from the tree. Awesome as always
except Jase needs to unlearn what he has learned. He needs to humble himself before the scriptures.
@@camlarson2813
Amen brother. He has a problem of arguing his point to death even when he's wrong.
I think our ultimate goal is to be as Christ like as possible through the power of the “helper”, the Holy Spirit.
Zacks description of sin is good. Well done Z. The argument sounds like it is about "why" we do good on one side of the table and "how" we do good in the other.
Be good - no.... Do good - yes!
The best discussion I've herd you all have as of yet. Very good points very respectful to the Lord. If we could sit down together drink a cup of coffee discuss our issues not try to kill each other what a good deal for mankind. Great job men.
I am glad that everybody can come to a happy end especially for Mr. Phil
I know I'm late to listening and commenting to this episode. Since I've been saved and became a child of God. I feel like it's with that child like obedience of wanting to please my father that pushes me to pray and seek His will over mine.
Once again it is Phil with the correct interpretation. It is Christ in you that makes it possible to do good. The old man is dead yet you still SPEAK, WALK, SEE AND THINK!! So if the old man is dead how is that possible?? Its possible because you are now one in and with CHRIST. JUST AS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER ARE ONE.
If only our motive to do good was to reveal Christ in you and not receive accolades for the good we do. When my motives aren't in check, I find myself striving for recognition for the good works as supposed to witnessing to others Jesus Christ in me. That said, pursing good works for God's glory using good works to share the gospel, this fulfills the purpose of serving others in Christ.
I agree with you Jase. When Christ isn't living in me I can't do anything alone.
Philippians 2:13 "For it is God who works in you to will and to act according to His good purpose."
I hear you loud and clear Zach! Once you've experienced the love and it's been continually shown itself. And there's been true repentance, the Holy Spirit shows up and stays!❤🙏
That is great that you can all talk and not agree but still love each other as a family.
Excellent , Discussion!! My earthly Father and I had this Discussion twenty years ago.He said He was perfect. To my knowledge He believe that until He left his body and received His knew body. Thank You Zach.Yes, Phil.We not good until We receive our new body.
Iron sharpening Iron. Praise the Lord!
THIS is the kind of stuff I love from this podcast. Great discussion.
It’s good to keep in mind that our works don’t save us. It’s Christ alone.
We’re going to see the power of God like we’ve never seen before I think that will totally blow our minds
In sanctification, the Holy Spirit "works in you , both to will and to work " according to God's purpose, enabling His people to fulfill their new, godly desires( Philippians 2:12,13). Christian's become increasingly Christlike, as the moral profile of Jesus ( "the fruit of the Spirit") is progressively formed in them (2 Corinthians 3:18; Galatians 4:19; 5:22-25). Always remember, God calls His children to holiness, and graciously gives what He commands (1 Thesssalonians 4:4, 5:23). Love your show!!
Jase is so busy thinking about what he is going to say, he is not listening to Phil. Phil has it right.
I like what Mr. Phil is saying, I like to think about the “doing good” as us being the vehicle that transports the blessings that The Holy Spirit motivates us to do.
Because we are a new creature born again with His Holy Spirit in us we now trust and want to believe Him and obey Him in serving others.
His Holy Spirit in us Motivates us. We can do good and we can ignore His prompting. Love You Brothers! Great Conversation.
I just love listening to you all teach the word of God. I work Sundays 7 to 7 so i don't get to go to Church, and you guys are such a blessing. I'm glad i found your podcast.
No time for church? Will you have time for heaven?
@@paulklemer i work for a living i work 3 12 hr shifts Fri Sat n Sun, I'm a single middle age women i have to survive. What a question to ask me when i said why i couldn't go smh, forgive me Lord!! Yes I'm saved and going to heaven 🙏 to be with my Lord n Savior n my Loved one's, PRAISE GOD. GOD BLESS THE ROBERTSON FAMILY, LOVE YOU ALL IN THE LORD!!
@@junelepley502 just saying that if you don't have time for God then maybe He won't have a place for you in heaven....this applies to me too
@@paulklemer you need to read you Bible more, God understands you have to provide for your family n eat. Maybe Jase can explain it better to you.
JASE please talk to this women!!!
"... and the LIFE that I now LIVE IN THE FLESH, I LIVE by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me." I'm still living, but my motivation is reversed. I'm LIVING because of faith from Jesus Christ.
Kevin Bay
Goodness is a fruit of the spirit that God has given us.
Jase hit the nail on the head. He’s dead on!
King James Bible Galatians 5:22-25
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith
One of the best Christian men I've ever known said both of these things before., I once complimented him for something he did it said, he replied, "the glory belongs to God, not me. "
Same man named Micha, when I said your name means 'like God '
He said. , "well, I am nothing like God " therefore i believe both if you here. Sometimes we can get un our own way, but more importantly can lead someone wrong, if they dont have the word to merely here our interpretation without the word would be insufficient
I always say.. ‘If you see any good in me, it’s Jesus.’ I was raised in a difficult situation and I understand that anything good in me came about through the influence of the Holy Spirit and those influenced by Him. That’s my personal testimony.
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I guess the point is we are fully dependent on God. We’ll never be at a place where we are independently good.
I'm with Phil on this one because the I that is being commended to do good is the new I that has been reborn and led by the Spirit. The I that has been crucified in Christ is the old man. Phil is focussed on our new identity in Christ. If we are focussed on our new identity in Christ, we are more likely to do good and glorify Christ who lives in us. Constantly reminding ourselves that we are bad, sinners, etc impacts how we live. Part of being good is being humble and thankful realising that my goodness wouldn't be possible without the Spirit living in me.
Jesus said there are none good but one and that is God. That one really got me
@32:45 - Best way to explain what Jase is saying is like this. What Jase is saying is that life is like riding a bicycle. In the natural, we ride that bike and our hands are on the handlebars. When we are saved, we take our hands off the handle bars, and Christ steers. We still peddle the bike, but Jesus is steering. That gives us the same picture of works moving forward, but the direction is guided by God.
Jase: "He gave me mercy. He gave me grace.."
Gave who? The dead guy? Who's "me"?
I'm with Phil on this one. Love yall!
Your Bible studies are awesome.
This is such an excellent topic! I wrestle with this so much and this has helped me to better understand.
Oh my, this is going to be a great show!
Amen! Another great, informative episode. We all grapple with sin today. It's so easy, around every corner you look. We greatly appreciate your Biblical discussions. Answers many questions that we have had as a family. God Bless your program!
All glory goes to God! Amen Jase!
Love to re watch old pod cast again an again
2 Corinthians 5:17 tells us about the new creature. This explains it really well.
Christians don't argue with each other, Jase since he had to ride with his in-laws hasn't been the same! As an outsider watching, Lord Jesus help Jase in Jesus name AMEN 👏👐❤
Our Salvation comes through Christ. Our obedience to The Father comes through following His Torah.
GREAT episode. Jace you are 100% correct. Our family has gone through this very debate for 30 years. We go through it under the question of "once saved always saved" or not, but it is the same debate. So let me ask you Phil this one question. The things you do today that are good, feeding the homeless, giving to the poor, spreading the Word of God, would you have done them before the Holy Spirit came into your heart? Then how can you say it is you doing good and not Him that is living through you? Another way to phrase it is "living in the Spirit". When you submit your actions to the Spirit within you then you do Godly things, but that is God working through you, not you. When you chose to live in your own strength (lose your temper, or fall to another temptation) you are living in YOUR strength and it never ends well. We make choices constantly in every thing we do and when we chose OUR way we are not good, but when we chose to live in the Spirit and let Him make our decisions we act on the Good within us.
Great show, loved it and love you guys, you are truly a blessing. Never stop studying/discussing the Word.
Zach you are correct. Jase is already there! Once we all get to that point, "some quicker than others" then I believe, the Holy Spirit takes over❤🙏
I always love the show. I always super get where Jase is coming from. When I try to do good myself it’s like I’m resurrecting my dead selfish prideful self who can only do bad.
When I let go and let God and willingly am led and am more open and obedient I, “Walking humbly”, my mistakes done feel shameful but covered and my goods don’t feel my own but naturally for and of God.
Love this idea, our ego does try to resurrect! God Bless
Your Nature changes with Your salvation in Jesus. Love you all
Jase, come on....it’s still you, but with Christ.
A.A.Ron Davis, I was a person who transgressed against divine law by committing immoral acts. Once I accepted Jesus into my heart, I recognized my lost state being apart from God, that forgiveness had been provided by Jesus. I renounced my sinful independence status and Jesus defined who I was created to be....I’m improved with him in my heart.
@A.A.Ron Davis She did not say the Holy Spirit is a sidekick. That's a classic straw man. When God saves us, he doesn't take away our freewill. He makes all things new and gives us a new "wanter". He doesn't want robots. He has all glory, with or without you and me. When God tells us, "welcome in my good and faithful servant". Is He welcoming himself?? We were "buried with Christ in death" BUT "raised with him in life"! Christ works with and through us!
It’s Jesus in you. You don’t have the ability to come to god or do good. He chooses who he wants saved and comes to you then does good through you
@@thefarm4674 Yeah buddy. And those He doesn't choose, He literally says' "To Hell with you!". Thank you for being a consistent Calvinist. But thank God that it is just a man-made philosophy and not in the Bible! What a monster that would make God...
@@rtgray7 Romans 9
We are given free will and when saved we are given the Holy Spirit for guidance !
Since the garden, mankind is not capable of doing good. Only God, through you, can you do good. You’re just a vessel for the Holy Spirit to do good
What about Jews. Muslims. And atheist that do good?
Such as feeding the poor, clothing and housing the homeless. Giving to charity...although those are only works they are still good acts. Is it still the Holy Spirit at work in them?
That was a tough watch but I was convicted to my core about loving my brother. In my case it's literally my sister who I'm on again off again with. I know what I have to do... (As I grovel away to do a good deed with what little I have.) Love is a verb.
Amen! It isnt just a feeling. It's also a choice. You choose to love someone.
Phil just explained it, you do good BECAUSE YOUR SAVED! Now you are born again so you can make RIGHT DECISIONS!
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
I was thinking that over and over
It has always been my understanding that once you live in Christ, the good doing comes from WANTING to do it to please Him. Because He wants us do, and we are doing our best to be obedient and we do it out of love for Him.
My take is this for what it's worth. The holy spirit lives IN us not FOR us. In other words we are still who we are but now have the holy spirit inside us also to help guide us along if that makes sense. It does to me. Thank you for the great topic to think about. God bless
Zach I like your definition of what sin is it’s an eye opener to me!
A Christian’s good works are a response of gratitude for Jesus’ finished work of salvation.
In rebut to Phil...IMO when we do good; feed the homeless, help the poor, help our neighbor, etc...many times WE get more out of it than the person we helped, we feel better about ourselves as a Christian...we thank the holy spirit for that gesture and it propels us to it more often and to spread the Good News
Love this study today!
Continue The Lords Work Boys !
Congratulations on 500K! What a wonderful witness and reach! 🙌🏻
it’s quite a debate, but we all understand it is God’s power and grace that keeps us (inclined) on the journey towards Him and becoming more like Him 💙🙏🏻
Much love to you all!
I definitely like what Jase is saying for the simple fact that for 32 years I went to church and did “good things” and was known as being a good boy or a good young man. When I was truly born again about 2 1/2 years ago, I finally realized that I believed that I was saved my entire life because of things that I did. “I” said the prayer, “I” walked the isle, “I” read my Bible, “I” told people about the gospel of Jesus Christ. It wasn’t until I was regenerated by the Holy Spirit that I finally understood that I was counting on my righteousness to be saved. So basically...Cross + My Works = Salvation. This is what Paul was opposing in the book of Galatians. I’ll even take it a step further and say that I believe that faith is a gift from God and not something you can do on your own. I think Paul tells us to do good but then let’s us know ultimately that it’s not us but Christ in us.
well said!
Man is justified by faith alone in Christ alone but the means is by Grace alone all of which are for and to the Glory of God alone. If one has made a decision to serve God it is of Grace not of man's own free will because the heart is wicked and evil we where conceived and born in sin man cannot and will not make a decision to serve the Lord unless God has made that possible by the means of God's Grace. He who began a good work in the true believer will complete it. I think you're on to something Jase keep it up. I'm encouraged to see you all zealous for truth.
Phil is correct. A really good book explaining this is called Walking in Victory by Dennis McCallum. It is easy to confuse this topic but understanding it is vital to living a free life.
Congratulations 🎈🎊🎉 on 500,000 subscribers !
@Free Thinker lol not true
The only comment I’ve seen Phil’s page like lol
@Free Thinker lol i love this guy in the comments.
@@Holio88 he's hilariously and egregiously misinformed.
@@ChibiPanda8888 sadly so. He has 2k comments on this channel he disagrees with. Imagine being that pathetic. Sad but true, lol. I mean can you imagine leaving 2k negative comments on a show like David Pakman or Sam Seder. Imagine feeling that empty.
One of the best yet. Awesome discussion.
Please bring Al back!
This was one episode I was totally confused in. I hope they will do an episode with Al on this subject and get his opinion.
Jesus + anything = nothing
Jesus + nothing = Everything
God bless you men, I enjoyed this episode thoroughly! I agree none are good but God, nothing good that I do comes from me, it is the fruit of THE SPIRIT which resides within me. 2 more weeks until big duck opener here in North Texas on a side note!! I can hardly stand it!
Phil you are a good man you have been saved all of your family are blessed. I have sinned just as you. Pretty much same as you have testified. I did the same. I love God Jesus and the holy spirit. I have repented and accept Jesus as my savior. You are forgiven. Love you all . Ronda from ky.
Jase is correct 100% on this one.
We are still flesh, sin will always be, reconciliation is only through Jesus, we know this, it is always a struggle to do good and bad
Any good you see is Jesus in me.🙂
God continue to bless you!!
Keep spreading the good lord
God gives you free will. Soooooooooo even thought I agree with jase in many ways, Phil is correct.......
Free will....
God has autonimous free will are will is inclined by our sinfull nature. That sinfull nature is still present till glorification. We will not be free from it entirely till then.
While we are alive....we have freewill and the freedom to choose.....what we do is up to how we choose....if we choose good, we do good. If we choose to sin, we sin.
Jesus said, " Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful with a few things, I will put you in charge of many things; enter into the joy of your Lord."- Matt. 25:21
Jesus did good BECAUSE GOD WAS WITH HIM Phil. Without God Jesus couldn't do good.
This is a great podcast
Devote yourself you make a CHOICE!
we are all sinners but once you welcome Christ into your life you want to do good for the love of Christ.. So yes you do good because you have Christ into your life..
Mr.Phil is correct in my opinion! The other belief just gives you a ticket to freely sin!
God is a perfect gentleman. He gives us decisions on a daily basis to good or Evil. The choice is up to us. We have to choose good!
Gods grace is sufficient to cover accidental mistakes/sins. If we are truly sorry and ask for forgiveness. Not a ticket to willful sin.
Free will is like a fork in the rode one path is stright ahead one path leads to the left the other to the right
Destiny is realizing no matter wich path you took it all leads to the same spot
Gods Will be done
love the podcast
God bless these men of God
Stand strong Phil