Charles Ives: Three Quarter-Tone pieces (1903/1923)
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- Опубликовано: 27 май 2011
- Charles Ives (1874-1954): Three Quarter-Tone pieces (1903/1923).
1. Largo
2. Allegro [4:45]
3. Chorale [8:13]
Josef Christof & Steffen Schleiermacher pianoforti.
Cover image: painting by Edward Hopper.
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The idea of quarter tones went back to Ives's childhood, when his father built a gadget with strings to play them. But I think these pieces came out of a church job Ives had where he found a couple of pianos in the basement, tuned them a quartet tone apart, and spent I imagine quite a lot of time experimenting and improvising. Quarter tones are usually thought of as inflections in a melodic line, but he was interested in exploring the idea of some kind of functional harmony in quarter tones. BTW, I'm not sure anybody here has mentioned how hilarious #2 is.
My Lord! That's lovely!
This attempt at 24 tone music is a total success. Hats off to Charles!!
The Allegro movement makes me feel like I'm in some saloon in hell or just a horror movie. I can just imagine some wide-eyed crazy playing this and laughing maniacally. Very unique and entertaining.
JossWainwright I hear them too, especially around 6:20
0:00 Largo
4:45 Allegro
8:13 Chorale
Charles Ives:unique American composer who broke away from the European traditions in Classical music...,wrote music in the early 20th century that people still have trouble understanding.This is music for the LATE 21st century!You can't compare Ive's music to the mainstream...,have to accept it on its own terms.
xtremenortherner Well stated.
not even.
In music school, I used to be so pissed at Charles Ives lol. But now, I respect his art. I have a better emotional understanding of his music now.
The two pianos bend each other and meld into one sound that pulls and lifts at the same time. Innovation isn't worth much on it's own (I think 20th century music fetishised novelty too much), but this is the raw power of sound. The quarter tone pieces are some of my favorite from ives, peaceful, violent, ugly, beautiful, manic, and as American as Scott Joplin eating apple pie.
OMG! "Scott Joplin eating apple pie!" You should copyright that phrase! Excellent!
1.32 is pure delight !
So good. Beautiful.
Thank you So Much for sharing this! I've been studying Charles Ives & this is SO Unusual. Interesting & intriguing . . .
thats funny, i also get hopper vibes while listening to ives
Heck no. Ives gives me Futurist vibes. Hopper would be more fitting for someone like Rautavaara who uses tonality but with clusters and polytonality thrown in for mysteriousness
excellent choix d'image
Hauntingly intriguing
VERY GOOD
Very nice.
Very strange. Beautiful
When I first heard this I didn't like it because I couldn't grasp it. Having listened a few times, I know the shape of it, and know how the tune goes, and that was all I needed to really warm to it. Once it's familiar, it's right! (See also, Revolution 9 and The Most Unwanted Song)
The Unanswered Question.
Uau...!!!
This presumably is for two pianos tuned normally except one is pitched a quarter tone higher.
Quite the opposite!
Makes me think it is Ives' sly reference to the wretched state of all pianos that were involved in the spread of manifest destiny in 19th cent. However it is of course a musical experiment that we are evidently (mostly) meant to take seriously. and Ives I think mostly approved of manifest destiny. Or as it is one 'well-tuned' piano vs one 'micro-tuned' piano, perhaps there is a subtext about individualism there. As I've said elsewhere on youtube, no music is wholly abstract.
Take it seriously as in it's only music. Let's try some stuff. Cage recorded percussion instruments being tickled by random vibrations of sea anemones. Pretty darn serious. Not.
Wondering if Monk ever listened to Ives..🤔
@@lorimartin6541 no he wouldn't
@@lorimartin6541 They meant Thelonious Monk, you philistine.
"The sad clone applies a lack of knowledge to every obstacle." --- One of Stan's Elves
shifting universes
Sono sperduto...dove!
how long it must have taken to tune that piano....
actually they're two pianos. and it would take just the time of tuneing two pianos using a different pitch :) not so long...
@@emilianoturazzi One piano would have already been tuned to normal 12 tone equal temperament, so only one of the pianos would have to be tuned a quarter tone higher. What is more amazing is that two pianists would be able to play every other note of the 24 tone scale in coordination.
@@aeromodeller1 usually before a concert a piano is retuned, so if you have two pianos you need two tune both of them... :) no matter about which tuneing you are useing. the needed time is the same. the practical problme is that probably you'll need normal tuneing for other pieces so you'll need to retune one piano or to have thrre pianos on stage (easier...) :)
@@emilianoturazzi Well, then you need to get two piano tuners!
My dad told me this story. An important person from the Far East was taken to the municipal symphony orchestra concert. After the concert, he was asked which part he liked best. He said he liked the very first part best. After some discussion it came out that he liked the part where the musicians tuned their instruments.
how was the piano tuned to produce this effect?
It's not really an effect
Two pianos are often used. One will be tuned half a semitone (a quartertone) higher or lower than the other.
@@s1nd3rr0z3 what does that mean?
@@Yhiith that it is a precondition for haveing this music ... not just a colour you add to it
07:22-07:29 another metal moment in classical
does somebody has the flac from this? :) cheers :)
It bugs me that I can't find any microtunig pieces that try to establish some sort of system or way to use the scales that would be inherent to that microtuning. Most of these pieces are just contemporary pieces that also happen to have microtones. I'm not saying this is bad, I'm just wandering if no one has tried to establish some sort of harmonic or melodic structure using microtones. Like tonal harmony and scales in traditional music.
Fiskepudding127 ever heard of Alois Haba? Check out the string quartets.
Famously, Harry Partch. And a large number of both older and more recent composers who belong to the Just Intonation movement.
Or perhaps you mean a harmonic or melodic structure that relates specifically to quarter tones, which would *not* be Just Intonation, since quarter tones involve the 24th root of 2, rather than small whole-number ratios. In that case, I don't personally know, but I'll take walex wetchina's word for it that Haba's music has a harmonic theory -- becuse it *sounds* like it does!
check out easley blackwood
Try Manual of Quarter-tone Harmony by Ivan Wyschnegradsky.
@@kateroberts9473 ruclips.net/video/VOat_xsGUOw/видео.html
English translation: underwolf.com/wyschnegradsky
that 2nd one is hot
this song is stange! i can't repeat melody... ;)
What's the painting name?
This was done centuries ago, and can be heard in traditional Persian music.
@@sunkintree It's there, just gotta listen.
out of tune piano feeling :D crazy
Some aspects of this piece reminds me of Erik Satie on drugs.
His "bad" days provide pretty music. Discordant Disco one might call it.
I don't think of quarter tones as a whole new scale system for compositional purposes. I think the cycle of fifths is so engrained in our innate response that we can only fundamentally perceive a quarter tone scale as fundamentally "out of tune" notes. Ives obviously tried to compose a fundamentally tonal piece here and mostly eschew the Schoenbergian atonal method. Love the Edward Hopper(?) painting here, he was virtually a fellow artistic comtemporary of Ives although he was a few years younger. They probably never met even though they both lived on the outskirts of NYC.
Nightmare fuel.
Why is that as complicated as European music is, there are so few tunes that sound good (at least that I have found)? Perhaps it is because the composers should be neuroscientists who create better brains.
ives was american, and if youre not into this you should listen to pretty much everything before the 1910s. plenty of tonality and good melodies there.
The experimental nature of this piece (for it's time) does not go with the painting used for this video lol
dojokonojo I think Hopper would have loved the pairing.
Agree. I'm an art historian and I've never really understood why people like Hopper.
@@Rufusdos Then you are not much of an art historian.
@@andrewpetersen5272 Perhaps you're right. I just find it awkward when people rave about artists who haven't mastered their medium.
@@Rufusdos he mastered enough to get his unique vision across and that's enough for me
Are you part of my nightmare or am I part of yours?
i wonder how much of this is improv
All written out.
none of it. this is formally structured music.
ok i'll get a lot of thumbs down but this is just cacophonic
Doesn't this provoke any feelings in you?
Go play your vidja games ya whippersnapper
You’re obviously a Communist 😂