That model is correct about Nabers, he's better than Jamar Chase ever was at LSU. Think Jamar Chase with more range and a bit more burst. He's fucking insane. That said, mid 3rd is way too rich. Jamar Chase was going in round 6+ his rookie year. In redraft, there's just too many locks to be had in the 3rd round. The 'upside' difference between Nabers, and say, DK Metcalf, is not going to win your your league. Busting your 3rd on a WR in a disgustingly bad offense will hurt you more than their potential ceiling would help you. He's a mid 4th in 10 team redraft.
@@mavenofmacau6391 He's better than both those guys by a comfortable margin (Wilson has a case to be in the same tier), but your point is 100% correct. There is no WR in existence that can overcome a bad QB, behind a bad OL, with a bad playcaller. My heart sank when the giants drafted him. He'll probably YAC his way into 1000 yards & 7TDs, but that's 4th/5th round production. He'll be getting bracketed & double teamed all year since the giants have CFL players at every other offensive position.
Nabers was also a junior during his breakout season while Chase was a sophomore. It’s not apples for apples that Nabers was slightly better than Chase when Chase was a full year younger
@@parkerphelps5202 He led the SEC in receptions and was 2nd in yards in his Sophomore. But you're right it's not apples to apples in terms of situation. I'm just talking about the pure eye test. I always felt Jefferson *looked* better on the field than Chase in 2019. There's just a compactness to Jamar's game & frame. He's an athlete but not a rangy/lanky one. Nabers just gets more out of the same frame. He seems to have more reach on catch radius, more distance on leaps for catches, a bit more vertical... etc
I'm surprised your anti-Kyren argument is lack of ceiling. I'm mildly worried about his floor compared to other RBs (gets another foot injury and Corum really flashes in that time and everything falls out) and I think Corum should lower his total TDs a bit in the median outcomes but I can definitely see a world where health, and TDs break his way and he finishes as a top 3 RB.
I think the fact that u can argue low floor and low ceiling just makes him a sub-optimal pick all around I just frankly don’t see anyway he does what he did last year
I agree, like what if it’s a Ettiene/Bigsby situation and corum just doesn’t look ready to spell Kyren and Kyren just gets the workload or even 80-90% of what he got last year. Rams didn’t have anyone behind Kyren so I don’t think them drafting corum means Kyren gonna forsure lose a lot of work to him
Can Kyren outscore guys like Jonathon Taylor, Etienne, Barkley? Well he did last year and every advanced metric says he was a top back in the league. Why isn’t his ceiling near those guys?
Keenan Allen is old Rome is a rookie and Caleb will most likely be a better passer than fields and DJ Moore produced even with fields being a bad passer. The bears also lost Mooney and will throw more so he could have a similar amount of volume even if the other 2 wrs are good.
Definitely could have a monster year, just worried he did it all with no competition for targets - we’ve seen him with Curtis Samuel and Robbie Anderson and he wasn’t alphaing those guys much
@@FantasyStockExchange Target share since his 2nd year 2019 - 22.7% 2020 - 22.9 2021 - 27.2% (Curtis Samuel no longer on Panthers) 2022 - 25.8% 2023 - 26.5% I don't expect his target share to tank but it dropping back down to 23% seems plausible for sure. I do think he makes up a bit of that ground since I'm assuming his catch rate will go up from 61% even with a rookie QB because his previous QBs were all awful.
In a simple form to make your life easier how would you go about draftin in a 2QB league? this league tends to have most people take a QB in the first round. I dont like taking QB round 1 but if you dont you end up losing at on starters towards the end because people grab 2QBSs and maybe a 3rd before round 9. Just curious how you would go about. I plan to based on what pick i end up. round 1 RB / WR star player. round 2 WR round 3 QB maybe? round 4 i have breecehall as a keeper which is huge imo. round 5 maybe qb? sorry for the long message but id like to know how you would do it because yalls channel is why i won this league last year. tryna get that 2k paycheck again
Pacheco (rnk 23) and other RBs are pushed up the board on yahoo. Is it better to stack up WRs in the early rounds rather than reach on RBs relative to your guys ranking?
I've been messing around with a lot of mocks and found going hero RB to lead to better teams in places like yahoo or NFL. The ADP of guys like waddle, Higgins, Nabers, Nico Collins etc are so so depressed that you grab bijan or breece early and still end with tee Higgins as your wr3.
Need yall to disagree at least once in every video it’s electric stuff. I never know who to side with at the end of it. My question is at what point is Kyren Williams a good value? Feel like he’s becoming a lil sleeper as the offseason moves along
I have the 1.01 in a 10 man PPR. My keepers are breece in round 2 and James cook in round 7. Would you take Ceedee or CMC with the first pick? 2 WR, 1 flex
Aint no way im taking cooper kupp over devonta smith. Kupp is cooked no doubt about it. And darius slayton puts up 750 yards on 50 measly catches evey year. Trey Palmer needs to get to that level
devonta smith with more upside than kupp is rich. smith is capped, big time
Facts that’s just wrong analysis no way smitty takes over ajb but kupp can rival pukas production at ceiling
They’re talking about an AJB injury
I love the banter between the boys 😂 I like how you guys actually have your own opinions and don’t agree with each other all the time 💯
That model is correct about Nabers, he's better than Jamar Chase ever was at LSU. Think Jamar Chase with more range and a bit more burst. He's fucking insane. That said, mid 3rd is way too rich. Jamar Chase was going in round 6+ his rookie year. In redraft, there's just too many locks to be had in the 3rd round. The 'upside' difference between Nabers, and say, DK Metcalf, is not going to win your your league. Busting your 3rd on a WR in a disgustingly bad offense will hurt you more than their potential ceiling would help you. He's a mid 4th in 10 team redraft.
couldnt agree more. man has no QB. "he's just that good". yeah bud. as a rookie. garrett wilson and drake london are cautionary tales.
This is a good point and also why Nabers is going so so much lower in a lot of redraft sites.
@@mavenofmacau6391 He's better than both those guys by a comfortable margin (Wilson has a case to be in the same tier), but your point is 100% correct. There is no WR in existence that can overcome a bad QB, behind a bad OL, with a bad playcaller. My heart sank when the giants drafted him. He'll probably YAC his way into 1000 yards & 7TDs, but that's 4th/5th round production. He'll be getting bracketed & double teamed all year since the giants have CFL players at every other offensive position.
Nabers was also a junior during his breakout season while Chase was a sophomore. It’s not apples for apples that Nabers was slightly better than Chase when Chase was a full year younger
@@parkerphelps5202 He led the SEC in receptions and was 2nd in yards in his Sophomore. But you're right it's not apples to apples in terms of situation. I'm just talking about the pure eye test. I always felt Jefferson *looked* better on the field than Chase in 2019. There's just a compactness to Jamar's game & frame. He's an athlete but not a rangy/lanky one. Nabers just gets more out of the same frame. He seems to have more reach on catch radius, more distance on leaps for catches, a bit more vertical... etc
I'm surprised your anti-Kyren argument is lack of ceiling. I'm mildly worried about his floor compared to other RBs (gets another foot injury and Corum really flashes in that time and everything falls out) and I think Corum should lower his total TDs a bit in the median outcomes but I can definitely see a world where health, and TDs break his way and he finishes as a top 3 RB.
I think the fact that u can argue low floor and low ceiling just makes him a sub-optimal pick all around
I just frankly don’t see anyway he does what he did last year
I’m out on Kyren this year completely. Refuse to draft him.
I agree, like what if it’s a Ettiene/Bigsby situation and corum just doesn’t look ready to spell Kyren and Kyren just gets the workload or even 80-90% of what he got last year. Rams didn’t have anyone behind Kyren so I don’t think them drafting corum means Kyren gonna forsure lose a lot of work to him
Yeah it’s crazy it’s just him being a whiney kid Kyren is easily better than James cook this dudes a joke 😂
Do you plan on doing a video on which players are over or undervalued on different platforms (Sleeper, ESPN)?
Yessir! Planned for August
Can Kyren outscore guys like Jonathon Taylor, Etienne, Barkley? Well he did last year and every advanced metric says he was a top back in the league. Why isn’t his ceiling near those guys?
Because the ff community has declared that he’ll disappoint, duh
Keenan Allen is old Rome is a rookie and Caleb will most likely be a better passer than fields and DJ Moore produced even with fields being a bad passer. The bears also lost Mooney and will throw more so he could have a similar amount of volume even if the other 2 wrs are good.
Facts I feel way better abt getting dj then guessing from the Texans trio
I agree 100% with Danny’s DJ Moore take.
Definitely could have a monster year, just worried he did it all with no competition for targets - we’ve seen him with Curtis Samuel and Robbie Anderson and he wasn’t alphaing those guys much
Yeah it’s the obvious take
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Target share since his 2nd year
2019 - 22.7%
2020 - 22.9
2021 - 27.2% (Curtis Samuel no longer on Panthers)
2022 - 25.8%
2023 - 26.5%
I don't expect his target share to tank but it dropping back down to 23% seems plausible for sure. I do think he makes up a bit of that ground since I'm assuming his catch rate will go up from 61% even with a rookie QB because his previous QBs were all awful.
In a simple form to make your life easier how would you go about draftin in a 2QB league? this league tends to have most people take a QB in the first round. I dont like taking QB round 1 but if you dont you end up losing at on starters towards the end because people grab 2QBSs and maybe a 3rd before round 9. Just curious how you would go about. I plan to based on what pick i end up. round 1 RB / WR star player. round 2 WR round 3 QB maybe? round 4 i have breecehall as a keeper which is huge imo. round 5 maybe qb? sorry for the long message but id like to know how you would do it because yalls channel is why i won this league last year. tryna get that 2k paycheck again
Loved the heated discussions fellas. Great content as always
Thanks boss!
Sad to see this is the last in the series! I'd love you all to keep going to cover the first 6 rounds!
maybe a speed run through rounds 4, 5, and 6?
Pacheco (rnk 23) and other RBs are pushed up the board on yahoo. Is it better to stack up WRs in the early rounds rather than reach on RBs relative to your guys ranking?
The difficult thing is feeling out ur Leaguemates strategy this year, I’m okay passing on Pacheco if he goes that high and stacking up on WRs
I've been messing around with a lot of mocks and found going hero RB to lead to better teams in places like yahoo or NFL. The ADP of guys like waddle, Higgins, Nabers, Nico Collins etc are so so depressed that you grab bijan or breece early and still end with tee Higgins as your wr3.
I'm my league the 2nd tier RBs will be gone the end of round 2 unfortunately
Bush, I can’t find the epic draft strategy video you recently made.
Which video are you referring to?
@@FantasyStockExchange The video you referred to in this video about qb draft strategy you recently made. Danny wasn’t in the video
Need yall to disagree at least once in every video it’s electric stuff. I never know who to side with at the end of it. My question is at what point is Kyren Williams a good value? Feel like he’s becoming a lil sleeper as the offseason moves along
I have the 1.01 in a 10 man PPR. My keepers are breece in round 2 and James cook in round 7. Would you take Ceedee or CMC with the first pick? 2 WR, 1 flex
DJ Moore szn sadly
Aint no way im taking cooper kupp over devonta smith. Kupp is cooked no doubt about it. And darius slayton puts up 750 yards on 50 measly catches evey year. Trey Palmer needs to get to that level
Cooked? Smh
@Matt-og6qv yeah cooked. He's hit the wall.
@@DEILLANYG well see brother. I think it was injury and not dust but time will tell soon