My moose this year was at 476yrds 300winmag browning mountain pro . Heart shot. 2-3 steps and fell over. 6 years for the tag and hundreds of hours at the range plus the grace of the creator. I was amazed at how much archery practice helped my rifle shooting! I do enjoy your content sir
I envy you sir. I can only imagine going on a hunt like that. Here in Indiana, whitetail deer is our biggest quarry. I still love taking a nice whitetail, but I dream of hunting Elk in the high country.
The Accubond Long Range is designed to open at a lower velocity (1300 fps) than the regular Accubond, which needs 1800 fps. The Long Range version has a relatively longer area of thinner jacket walls, so it will peel back farther at a given striking velocity. Most regular Accubond bullets have shorter ogives and the jacket wall get thicker faster.
I got a box of Sig ammo. It normally has nickel plated brass, but this box has plain brass. Sig put a sticker on the outside of the box stating that nickel was in short supply, hence the deviation >>AND
Currently, the Federal version of the 7 PRC with the 175 ELD-X is faster than Hornady's.. Federal is a sister company of Alliant Powder, who imports RL26 from Nitrochemie in Switzeralnd. Federal and Alliant are both are owned by Vista Outdoors and Federal gets first dibs on powders when there is a shortage. edited to add: Federal has been recently sold to the Czechoslovak Group, so it is no longer technically related, but probably still has strong contacts at Alliant.
I *love* Federal ammo. They have _always_ been my favorite. This is why they are known as _Federal _*_Premium_*_ Ammunition._ Back in the day, Hornady was still somewhat of a peripheral. Not like the 'Pick Me Girl' company that have recently become, IMHO. Let us not forget that Hornady is predominantly a projectile manufacturer and _not_ an ammo company such as Federal. Excellent sleuthing nonetheless. Or perhaps should I say, _"Shhh..."._ [Wink] Stay classy my friend.
@@BertShackleford I hope that Federal keeps its quality up after being sold to the Czechoslovak Group. Unfortunately, this breaks its ties with Alliant Powders. In late Oct, Vista Outdoors sold off the ammo brands of Federal, Remington, Hevi Shot, Speer, and CCI. A few weeks ago, an Outdoors Life article wrote: "According to Vista leadership, the split was necessary because a single holding company with all those brands would not be able to achieve the stock prices investors expected. This was mainly because ammunition, which is a commodity-based business, operates under a different model than lifestyle-based companies. On top of that, the ammo market is notoriously volatile, which can make for tough sledding on a publicly traded company where investors want to see stable and predictable growth curves."
Regarding the Precision Hunter ammo , I ran out of old stock for my 308 and got some of the recent batches . Went from tack driver to random 3 inch groups .
@@paulluzny5981 I support the Hornady brand they’re less likely to sell out to anti-2a foreign holdings then some other big brands just hope its all straightened out now.
I work for a major firearms retailer, Mr Spomer, and we had training sessions with several gun and ammo manufacturers in a pre-SHOT series. Hornady was one of the companies. They were very frank about the velocity issues with their ammunition and told us that the reason why they were having problems was because of a global shortage of Nitrocellulose following an explosion at a factory in France. It apparently costs $450 million to set up a nitrocellulose plant and the investment was unavailable in the United States.
Interesting. Did the French rebuild? Who's the main provider of nitrocellulose now? High risk, lots of red tape, extremely high cost - this sounds like a job for central/south America & China/Malaysia.
If the French claim they need the nitrocellulose plant to supply Ukraine with ammo, I'm sure Biden will print them a billion $ fresh off the press, as long as he can keep half of it to launder in the Ukraine after the war.
I believe Hornady 100%. The problem is that they maintained their original claimed velocities with the compromised powder. And then when they got caught, they essentially said it didn’t matter, instead of admitting they screwed up.
I’d disagree with that. Tested this out with a few different rounds and within each box I took them apart and the amount of powder was wildly different from round to round.
I have 7 prc and 7 rem mag, I hand load for both. 7 prc falls dead between 280 ai and 7 rem mag. Different companies offer off the shelf 1-8” twist 7 mag. I like the 7s, to me it’s a sweet spot. 7 prc in no way can out perform 7 rem mag. Its case capacity nothing magical
I’m here to learn more about my future 7mm Rem Mag (.284 cal).I don’t know much about all of these new cal 7PRC only that i’s ammo is hard to find. Thus I been buying rifles in the 7 most common all American cartridges. .243, .270, 308, 30-06, 300 Wm and my next one will be the 7mm Rem Mag. Im also considering the 7mm-08.
Great choice. The 7 PRC is a good cartridge, but it is VERY far from being the miracle cartridge that Hornady and many RUclips hunters/experts claim it to be. Yes, there will be more that make ammo for it, but I VERY much doubt it will be a very popular cartridge with lots of guns sold and many options of ammo for good prices. With a 7mm Rem Mag you will have LOTS of different ammo to choose from and for the most part at lower prices then the 7 PRC as well. The 7 PRC is mainly a self loading cartridge in my opinion. In my opinion is the 6.5 PRC the best PRC cartridge by far and one that makes a lot of sense for hunting. The 300 PRC is a great VERY long range target cartridge but doesn't offer more for ethical hunting than a 300 Win Mag does.
@ Sounds like the all of the PRC’s are modern improved cartridges over already popular and time proven calibers. Wondering if diminishing returns is the case here. My concern is not getting a slightly better performance now but most important is the life of the barrel. I would hate to pass onto my son and grandson junk rifles that failed the test of time because of limited barrel life.
@@miguelm8545 It is amazing the brainwashing of nonsense that make people in the comments complete ignorant about guns & ammo and hunting. The only way a 7 mm barrel is going to get shot out is used in competitive shooting and any hunter and shooter of a box of ammo a year won't ever use up a barrel of any caliber of cartridge. I build and sell rifles in wildcat cartridges and sell AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM magnums and reloader wildcats + old deer camp favorite cartridge like the 250 Savage and 257 Roberts in the AR 10 of the AR 10 uppers I build and sell in 6.5x51 Jap that has a great edge over the 6.5 NeedMoor. I have been using for 20 years rifles chambered in 6 mm - 284 win with not one of those rifles has ever using up and shot out a barrel with the hunting the guns have been used for and this cartridge pushes 100 grain 6 mm bullets at 3900 FPS !
I’d get a Fierce, but I can’t get past the mag release. Lots of people complaining that it sticks out so much that it gets bumped and the mag falls out. I’m looking at a Weatherby 307 Alpine MDT Carbon and the Sig Sawtooth, but leaning towards the Weatherby cause it’s 2lbs lighter.
I've only had one bull elk take more than a couple steps. That one only went about a hundred yards. 7mm rem mag, 160 gr. Sierra game king, 60gr IMR 4831.
My moose gun is a Remington 700 BDL in 30-06 cut down to 18 inch barrel with a suppressor shooting Barnes 130gr TTSX home loads. Compact enough and light enough for Scandinavian moose hunting. Going to test the rifle and bullet for Roe deer soon. All these new wizzbang calibers have yet to spark the slightest of interest for me. Will rebarrel my old Remington soon for a little fatter barrel and maybe slightly longer and in 30-06 ofcorse.
Hi Ron, I always enjoy when Tate joins you. His 7PRC rifle by 10X Rifle Company has me interested but they don’t seem to have a website. Does Tate have a RUclips channel where I can reach out to him for some info on his 7PRC 10X rifle?
Lots of variables: Temp, Elevation, Barrel Length . I reload for 308 win, 6.5 CM, 300 WM, and 22-250 fast twist. I shoot mostly in the fall and winter, but velocities change drastically on all of them between summer heat and winter cold.
Im running a 180 eldm with n565 and cci 250 primer at 2907 fps 4 round groups from a 20" barrel. Absolute hammer on game run the numbers on that it's still doing 1834 fps at 1000 yards iv taken mule deer and black bear with it as far as 960 yards so far this year. Nothing has gone over 30-45 yards
Whenever I start going down a rabbit hole with a cartridge I will always reference back to the 30-30 ballistics and 30/06 ballistics. In thick eastern and southern woods those 2 calibers have taken everything. So if my project of the time is doing better than those I can sleep at night easier knowing I don’t need to squeeze another 50 fps. Though for a comparison I do have a nice 200g load in the whelen going 2835 fps. Low recoil and great accuracy.
The 7 PRC case holds 78gr vs the 7 Rem mag's 82gr (4 grs difference) For reference the 300 WSM case holds 77 gr. The 7 PRC runs @ 65,000 psi vs the 7 Rem mag's 61,000 psi. Velocity wise they should be within 100 fps of each other with all other things equal. Running the longest ogive highest BC bullets requires a faster twist rate of (1:8) in the barrel and the proper head height of the cartridge to maintain COAL in the standard length actions and magazines. Thats what the PRC brings to the table.
The how do you explain I tried some of the 7mm 180 grain Burger bullets in a very old 7 mm mag maybe made around 1985 with no change in accuracy than shooting 7 mm 150 - 160 and 170 grain bullets. The is so much now lying BS in gun videos that is brainwashing the most ignorant fools
7mm rem mag has been shot at or very near to 65,000 psi by hand loaders and pulls away from the prc. Throw in a browning factory 1 in 8 twist and the prc can't match it
@brandonhudson3093 I merely stated the facts of the factory 7 PRC vs Factory 7 Rem mag. You can hot rod anything aftermarket. I never claimed the 7 PRC to be anything that it wasn't. You still run into issues seating the longest ogive projectiles with a case head height of the 7mm Rem mag and a COAL to fit standard length actions and magazines. Actually I feel the 7 Rem Mag is a great cartridge especially where hunting is concerned. Both cartridges are well balanced.
@@lurebenson7722 Berger 180 gr 7mm VLD hunting bullet .673 BC 1:9 twist rec, Hornady 175 gr ELDX 7mm hunting bullet .689 BC 1:8.5 twist rec, Hornady 180 gr 7mm ELDM match bullet .796 BC 1:8 Twist rec. Traditional 7mm Rem mag spec twist 1:9.25 to 1:9.50 twist. Your 7mm Rem mag rifle is on the very edge of being able to stabilize the 180 Berger and would struggle with the Hornady projectiles. The Berger 180 VLD is 1.506 OAL. Not sure what the Hornady ELDX and ELDM OAL is but given the BC's they are longer. That's where you really start encroaching into the case to keep your COAL for standard length actions with the Rem mag case. Not impossible to overcome just doesnt play as well.
Did anyone notice Tate’s first 3 shots grouped at less than an inch? Two different lots of Precision Hunter and an all copper. I think that’s a pretty accurate rifle and Tate is a better shot than he claims. 😬
@@thepracticalrifleman it’s more so when you’re considering shots over 400yds, especially with certain bullets that need higher velocities to work well.
@@viceversa922 most people have no business shooting past 400 yards. But let’s pretend you gain 100 fps…at 2825 with the 175, 1800 fps is maintained to 910 yards. At 2925, 1800 fps is maintained to 980 yards. Explain to me where this makes a big difference.
Uncle Ron used my 6.5-06 with a 120 gr lost river ballistics all copper bullet at 3250 fps around 2001 or 2002 to shoot that 57 inch moose in northern bc. This was years before a 6.5 caliber was "cool". The entrance was a quartering shot into the point of the shoulder and the bullet angled through chest cavity, went through the heart and was recovered near the back of a full gut sack. I believe the range was 130 yards. The moose went under 10 yards and required 1 shot. Had Ron been using a 6.5, 7mm or 30 cal, non bonded, heavy for caliber target bullet like an eldm, eldx, berger, sierra match, nosler ballistic tip, etc., there is an extremely low chance it would have penetrated through the shoulder socket, into the vitals and into the stomach. It likely would have required additional shots. The bullet design is far more important than the bullet weight and the caliber used. Instead of hunters debating the best caliber, we should be discussing the bullet and the pros and cons of different designs. Matching the bullet, caliber, barrel length for the purpose is about finding the correct balance. The shooter behind the gun is still way more important than the gun, especially if all other things are equal. A 7mm prc is a good round, but in all my testing of Hornady factory loaded 180 elm, the velocity was 2770 to 2850 in my friends 23 inch 7 prc. Average vel over many lots was 2820 with an 50 to 60 fps ES over every 10 rounds. We could load the 180 to 3000 fps using ADG brass but not with 1 time fired or even most new Hornady brass as the primer pockets can't handle the high pressures. When handloading and when using a similar throat cut, high quality brass and a 24 inch plus barrel, the 7 prc will NOT out run a 7mm rem mag. They are within a few grains of powder capacity (7 prc is slightly smaller by about 3 grains). When i see or hear of shooters getting 3000 fps with a 175 or 180 grain bullet in a 22 to 24 inch barrel, it's likely they are shooting 65 to 75k psi which is way over saami specs as it requires about 3 more grains of powder than an already warm 2830 fps load. The 175 eldx produces similar or slightly faster velocities to the 180 eldm in Hornady factory loads. For shooters who don't reload, also look at brands like Federal, Barnes and/or a custom company like unknown munitions and hendershot. Velocity loss is not linear based on barrel length. When you go from a 24 to 22 inch barrel, you might see 25 to 30 fps/inch loss, 22 to 20 inch might be 35-40 fps/inch and from 20 to 18 inch, it could be 50 fps/inch for example. Also if shooting a 180 grain bullet at 2850 fps vs a 150 at 3150 fps, the actual fps loss will be different but the ratio should be close. I found that a 7 prc is slightly more efficient in a 20 inch barrel than a 7mm Remington Mag but not much. When reloading a 175 or 180 gr bullet, h1000, n565 or staball hd are common powders used in either caliber. Short barrels and slow burning powders are not the ideal combination for efficiency. Dropping from a 175/180 target bullet to a 145 to 160 bonded or copper bullet and using a faster burn rate powder like n560, r22, h4831sc, r26 or Staball 6.5 will be a better choice for hunting moose, elk or bear especially at ranges of 50 to 600 yards in a 7prc or 7 rem. For short barrels, the 6.8 western 7 saum, 7 wsm, 300 wsm, etc. are a bit more efficient when shooting a suppressor and 18-20 inch barrel. Suppressors don't reduce recoil like a 3 or 4 port modern brake, so using a smaller caliber or shorter/smaller case will make spotting your shot easier. A 308, 7-08, 260 or 6.5 cm are good choices for shooting lighter weight copper bullets in 16-18 inch suppressed barrels if max efficiency and minimal recoil are required. I see too many people chasing velocity with heavy for caliber target bullets, having a g1 bc of .65 to .750 or a g7 of 0.335 to .385 bc. Try dropping bullet weight using a premium bonded or copper bullet and reach 2900 to 3100 fps in a shorter, suppressed 7mm. Even with a g1 bc in the 0.475 to 0.60 range, retained velocity, wind drift and bullet drop out to 500/600 yards are very acceptable and what 95 percent of hunters will realistically experience. Heavy for caliber target bullets are ideal for long range broadside shots but are more likely to fail at close range/quartering shots especially on heavy bones and if they hit brush, branches or small trees, before reaching the animal, they will usually fail/explode. Its difficult to find online/video comparisons which use the same ammo, same components, while testing for statistical significance. When products vary a lot, the results are not conclusive. Overall it was an interesting video but these new chassis rifles are generally not "better" than old school quality rifles shooting good ammo. A suppressed short barrel for sure has it's purpose but certain calibers and longer barrel lengths don't balance well with a suppressor. A more traditional and properly fit carbon or fiberglass stock is easier to shoot when you don't have a tripod/arca mount, plus they do a better job of dissipating recoil than a chassis.
Beginner question - why doesn't a rifle with a 20" barrel with an 8" suppressor get as much velocity as a 24" barrel without a suppressor? I understand the suppressor isn't cold hammer forged or rifled, but doesn't it give SOME extra burn? Does a suppressor deliver ANY velocity improvement?
You might see 25fps gain in a 20in suppressed vs 20 unsuppressed. The reason is because as soon as it exits the barrel, there's nothing pushing on the bullet anymore. In the suppressor, almost nothing.
@@z987k Thanks for clarifying that. I knew that the velocity stopped increasing once it left the muzzle, but I did wonder if the suppressor had the same effect - so from what you said, I'm guessing the 'boost' you'd get from ~8" of suppressor real estate is worth maybe ~10 - 15% of the boost you'd get from another 2" of barrel length. I've studied how suppressors work, and the amount of propellant they absorb as the bullet passes through, I'm surprised any velocity increase would happen at all - but there is some pass-through up to about 3" of the total 8" where the velocity would still benefit the bullet. Fascinating stuff. But I'd still go for a 24" 7mmrm over a 20" 7PRC. I'd likely stick to 30-06 or even a 6.5PRC if I wanted to take 150gr > 2800fps.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Appreciate the help, thanks. Suppressors are illegal here in Canadastan, even on air rifles - don't get me started. I live close the border with Maine, so I'll be travelling south to get good with whatever rifle I choose. I have to leave it in the US on my way back though, so I'll try to work something out with a range there. Frustrating but I'm not going low caliber because of the noise. Tnx again.
@NunchucksHabit i only use silencer on aorguns since it's unregulated in America, I'm one of the people that refuse to give in and pay an NFA bribe to the government so I just use ear protection. Even my 338 laupua with a muzzle break is fine with good ear protection
Browning 7mm mag 155gr federal terminal ascent avg 3156fps 24” barrel and my 7prc 20” barrel with Barnes Vor-Tx Lr 160gr average is 2959fps and extremely accurate! Terminal ascent in the 7prc has an average of 2926fps with 170gr.
Oldmate spent all that money $$$ on that beautiful custom rifle, and aftermarket trigger. And SLAPS it like it’s a barmaids arse..!!! I’m surprised that group wasn’t even bigger. Both custom rifles, which you both said shot like 1/2 Moa with pretty much everything you put in them!? And then shoot groups like that. 🤔 lol but I love your work and everything you do for us your audience Ron, keep up the awesome work. 👍
Indeed, no fundamentals whatsoever, every time I see Ron just operate a rifle, let alone shoot it, I can't help but think that he should not be allowed anywhere near firearms 😅
Just the way he holds the forend despite it already being supported by the padded rest, rather than using the non-shooting hand to support the buttstock, already tells volumes, not to mention what you did - the lack of follow-through on the trigger 🙉
Very little recoil reduction and still super loud. They are better with a light recoil round in a shoter barrel like a 7.62x39 or 300 blackout. You still need hearing protection, but there is less blast to the shooter and others at the range.
I Sure Hope Everyone GETS IT. The It being Always shoot n see when changing lots of ammo Somebody above mentioned 308 going from tach driver to 3 in groups.. Not the 1st time hearing that n then some. I always try to get same Lot # n to get 2 boxes .. when getting factory. Not always possible
Since you are talking moose. Planning on a float for moose in 26. I have a 358 Norma mag, have a great load with 250 grn Partitions. Love monolithic in smaller rifles, would you think about a monolithic or stick with what I have.
Yep build a barrel at 27 inches and 1 inches 7 twist and bring a Standard 7 mag. I have a standard 7 mag I love and will never change and a debarred 7 mag to a prc both are great but the 7 doesn’t hold a candle to the custom length and twist. They look identical except barrel length.
I understand rifle chamberings and shelf ammo have a lot to do with popularity, but 1:8 twist 280ai with a high bc hand load makes the rem mag and prc quite obsolete.
I like 7 PRC, but in this video, the Big 7 rules! I think with 7mm, that speed is important when it comes to wind drift. Hey Ron, how did that small copper bullet out of your 7 perform on elk? Please do share.
@ Grant Yet haven't you guys got onto over muzzle suppressors which have in NZ (New Zealand on tax stamp) which are muzzle forward by 3 to 4 inches and back over muzzle for up to 6 to 8 inches fitted to rifle for about $us400 including Can as we call them
We have them. I actually own one. Over the barrel is much less effective than baffles. Mine has baffles and reflex as it's called. 6 baffles knocks off about 30db. 3in of reflex 1 or 2db. For most people it's not worth the weight or added expense.
Your 7 mag ammo is Federal. I use Federal 170 grain Terminal Ascent and it runs as advertised. Rated at 3000fps and I'm getting an average of 3065 with a 26" barrel.
The 300 PRC is a great F-Class cartridge and the 6.5 PRC is a great hunting cartridge. The 7 PRC is doing NOTHING better than the 7mm Rem Mag does when it comes to ethical hunting. I know many are desperate to hype up the 7 PRC to be so much better than the 7mm Rem Mag but in reality is the only "advantage" in my opinion, the lack of the stupid magnum belt. But that only matter when it comes to easy reloading.
I used to reload my 7mm Rem Mag at least 20 times (next resize only) and don't recall ever wearing out a case. I did wear out the barrel, and HS Precision put a 26" 7 STW barrel on it.
300 PRC is not an F class cartridge. 7prcw is with Berger 180 hybrid. Number of competition shooters used it at US F Class Nationals in Lodi Wisconsin.
There is now a 5 year wait from time of order to time of delivery for Krieger barrels. I use Pac Nor Barreling for the line of AR 10 uppers I build and sell in all WSM magnums to wildcats and old favorites like the 250 Savage and 275 Roberts in AR 10 uppers for sale. I even sell many AR 10 uppers in 6.5x51 Jap that has a good edge over the 6.5 NeedMoor. The 6.5 NeedMoor was designed for a match target shooter cartridge, so the bullets are seated far out but the 6.5 x51 jap was of time when 6.5mm military cartridges were common and long seated out bullets was common, plus the 6.5x51 jap has a steep tapered case assisting in extraction from the chamber after fired.
You are supposed to have the Garmin less than 15" from the muzzle. You are too far back, which will give you much higher velocity readings, I had a factory 308Win giving velocity readings of 2800FPS, while the box was saying 2620.
Tate, your rifle is losing zero every time you travel. You know as well as I do that 100 yard zeros vary next to nothing from Death Valley to the summit of Everest. If you’re wondering where the zero shift is coming from, I’d start by swapping scopes.
I own a Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag, and I'll never switch guns. My gun will get the job done, and that's all I really care about. Besides that I am disabled and I can't afford to buy these $1,000+ guns. My dream hunt is going out west to hunt elk, but since the accident, that's probably not goin to happen. I'm looking at a new scope for my 7mm, I'm probably going with the Vortex Diamondback Tactical, it's $369.00. It's not a $2,000 scope like I see in these videos, but it will do the job.
I live and hunt in Alaska moose elk and Grizzly 30 cal and larger If you guys come up for a hunt or 2 and are now experts Native wound a lot of animals
Do they make a 7mm Creedmoor yet? They should if they don't. We all know how much better the 6.5 Creedmoor is as compared to anything else in its class, right Ron? So with that said a 7mm Creedmoor would clearly be better than any of those rifles. Calibers with the name Creedmoor always seem to have superior BC's too and we all know how important it is to be able to shoot at game 1500 yards away. I believe in this so much so that I always back waaaaaay up when I game. I don't stalk closer to game, I unstalk it so that the BC really comes into play. 👍
Id say easier to take a moose with more then needed vs trying to be efficient with caliber choice, even if moose are a little less agro then the ave elk.
Norma, Federal, Remington, and Barnes all have quality 7PRC ammo options on the market now that are way better than the Hornady offerings and get advertised velocity but still everyone in the comments on any 7PRC video are stuck on stupid acting like crappy Hornady ammo is the only game in town…. While also ignoring the fact that BC trumps velocity at distance.
When Marine STA guys deploy they test at whatever base nearby or ship if they’re operating at sea level, it’s common sense they’re going to have poi shift with alt and climate.
Funny about all these new cartridges, they aren't better than the old school rounds, it's just that you have to buy a new rifle, it's all about sales and profits. I always tell people to buy 30 06, 270 win, 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag. Those you can almost always find ammo for and are proven game takers.
Yes let the industrie go down slow so you can complain about that. If we all use granpas 30-06 and remington ammo, all the rest goes down hill, very clever.
@mrr0cksor669 No it's not about that at all. I buy new rifles the point is over commercialization has ruined the quality of new firearms being produced. Have you ever thought about why the old rifles were much better than the ones produced today.
@@mrr0cksor669no the industry wouldn’t go down without the new cartridges. They are just trying to get everyone on the PRC bandwagon. When you can’t hardly get ammunition for them. The PRC family of cartridges are only slightly better beyond 1k yards than the old school cartridges. And 99% of people don’t have the ability to shoot that far. So if you’re are just a hunter that relies on factory ammo. Stick to the old popular rounds.
@@gbaughman3348 I live in Germany, and we have high-end rifles. For a price, yes, but the innovations from overseas are good for the industry because people talk about and want new stuff. We had the tendenci her, that folks would get an old Mauser 98 8x57 and go hunt with it. That is bad for busyness ^^
@mrr0cksor669 I agree somewhat, and I do appreciate some of the new technologies in the industry. However many people think the newer calibers are so much better and there are not. You don't have to invent new calibers to use new technology and quality combined with technology would equal a better product without the sales hype.
I have tried the Hornady percussion hunter in 7mm REM mag. And 30-06. O have found they are the most inaccurate rounds I have used. I hope it works for you 😊
Comparing 7PRC form a 20" barrel with a 7mm Rem Make with a 24" barrel is just not a valid comparison in terms of velocity & energy. If shooting with a 7mm Rem Mag instead of 7PRC, the hunter wanting a 20" barrel still wants a 20" barrel.
Your 7 PRC needs to have a 24” barrel to get the box velocity it’s like 6.5 creedmoor with 26” vs 6.5 PRC with 20” lol 6.5 creedmoor will beat PRC ass all day long
@@gunnaraw Doesn't matter. Gun makers have already started to make guns with with fast twist rates in older cartridges because of the newer long high bc bullets. Very soon you can buy yourself a 7mm Rem Mag with a 1:8 twist. And if you want to, you can easily change the barrel on your old gun to a faster twist barrel and have it already. And suddenly is the 7 PRC offering VERY little extra compared with the older 7mm ones. And if you want be able to seat the long bullet further out, so it doesn't stick so deep into your case, then you can get it all done in a longer action. The 7 PRC is the PRC cartridge that makes the least sense. The 300 PRC is a great extra long range target shooting cartridge. The 6.5 PRC is a great hunting cartridge for shots out to what most would call an ethical maximum hunting range.
Pretty stupid to buy a cartridge that can only get the advertised velocity’s with one powder that is unavailable and unavailable for who knows how long!!
@ Loading for the round is not hornadys claim to fame with their cartridges is it! They claim theirs is better because you can get tight chambers more accurate factory ammos and advertised velocity’s for people that shoot factory guns with factory ammos!! I’m sure if they could get the 3000 fps they claim with retumbo h1000 so on they would have but that isn’t the case! We’re going to talk handloads then the 7prc is completely irrelevant at best!! 7 rem is better 280 can nip it heels and if we go custom rifle custom ammo it’s even further from optimal!!
Okay, not even 2 minutes in and you compared to seven PRC get more velocity with the 20-in barrel compared to the 6.5 creedmoor with 22 in bro seven PRC and the 6.5 creedmoor is not even a f****** comparison. Come on guys. You're comparing apples to f****** peaches. I know I shouldn't sound like this. It's compare the 65 creedmoor to the 6.5 PRC. You're still not comparing apples to peaches. I don't care about the 20-in barrel. I'm getting 2825 out of my 708 with a 20-in barrel and Thompson center venture. And half inch groups
You go with a 20" barrel and then become concerned with muzzle velocity? A 20" barrel for a 7 PRC is like buying a Ferrari with a 4 cylinder. I think you would be amazed at all the unburnt powder you spew out of the muzzle every shot.
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My moose this year was at 476yrds 300winmag browning mountain pro . Heart shot. 2-3 steps and fell over. 6 years for the tag and hundreds of hours at the range plus the grace of the creator. I was amazed at how much archery practice helped my rifle shooting! I do enjoy your content sir
I could listen to him all day. He's not just knowledgeable about guns and ballistics, he's a joy to listen to.
I envy you sir. I can only imagine going on a hunt like that. Here in Indiana, whitetail deer is our biggest quarry. I still love taking a nice whitetail, but I dream of hunting Elk in the high country.
The Accubond Long Range is designed to open at a lower velocity (1300 fps) than the regular Accubond, which needs 1800 fps. The Long Range version has a relatively longer area of thinner jacket walls, so it will peel back farther at a given striking velocity. Most regular Accubond bullets have shorter ogives and the jacket wall get thicker faster.
I got a box of Sig ammo. It normally has nickel plated brass, but this box has plain brass. Sig put a sticker on the outside of the box stating that nickel was in short supply, hence the deviation >>AND
Currently, the Federal version of the 7 PRC with the 175 ELD-X is faster than Hornady's.. Federal is a sister company of Alliant Powder, who imports RL26 from Nitrochemie in Switzeralnd. Federal and Alliant are both are owned by Vista Outdoors and Federal gets first dibs on powders when there is a shortage.
edited to add: Federal has been recently sold to the Czechoslovak Group, so it is no longer technically related, but probably still has strong contacts at Alliant.
You are correct!!! No one realizes this. I’m shooting almost 3200fps with a 26in barrel
The problem is I can't find Federal anywhere
@@robertchapman4488 AmmoSeek shows some places with it in stock.
I *love* Federal ammo.
They have _always_ been my favorite. This is why they are known as _Federal _*_Premium_*_ Ammunition._
Back in the day, Hornady was still somewhat of a peripheral. Not like the 'Pick Me Girl' company that have recently become, IMHO. Let us not forget that Hornady is predominantly a projectile manufacturer and _not_ an ammo company such as Federal.
Excellent sleuthing nonetheless. Or perhaps should I say, _"Shhh..."._ [Wink]
Stay classy my friend.
@@BertShackleford I hope that Federal keeps its quality up after being sold to the Czechoslovak Group. Unfortunately, this breaks its ties with Alliant Powders. In late Oct, Vista Outdoors sold off the ammo brands of Federal, Remington, Hevi Shot, Speer, and CCI.
A few weeks ago, an Outdoors Life article wrote: "According to Vista leadership, the split was necessary because a single holding company with all those brands would not be able to achieve the stock prices investors expected. This was mainly because ammunition, which is a commodity-based business, operates under a different model than lifestyle-based companies. On top of that, the ammo market is notoriously volatile, which can make for tough sledding on a publicly traded company where investors want to see stable and predictable growth curves."
Regarding the Precision Hunter ammo , I ran out of old stock for my 308 and got some of the recent batches . Went from tack driver to random 3 inch groups .
I'm having the same issue with my 7-08. I've always loved hornady, but I think it's time to switch.
They have decent bulltets at competitive prices but I don’t care for their ammo unless its more or less range fodder.
@jaedonhaskins9917 i hear its do to a powder change
@@paulluzny5981 I support the Hornady brand they’re less likely to sell out to anti-2a foreign holdings then some other big brands just hope its all straightened out now.
@@tsechejak7598you’d rather have crummy ammo because you think they are a principled company?
I work for a major firearms retailer, Mr Spomer, and we had training sessions with several gun and ammo manufacturers in a pre-SHOT series. Hornady was one of the companies. They were very frank about the velocity issues with their ammunition and told us that the reason why they were having problems was because of a global shortage of Nitrocellulose following an explosion at a factory in France. It apparently costs $450 million to set up a nitrocellulose plant and the investment was unavailable in the United States.
Interesting. Did the French rebuild? Who's the main provider of nitrocellulose now? High risk, lots of red tape, extremely high cost - this sounds like a job for central/south America & China/Malaysia.
If the French claim they need the nitrocellulose plant to supply Ukraine with ammo, I'm sure Biden will print them a billion $ fresh off the press, as long as he can keep half of it to launder in the Ukraine after the war.
Crazy considering Federal had no problem. More lies from Hornady
@@OhGawdHesGotAGun No they did not rebuild. They gave up
good call, Betsy. we all love seeing groups shot.
Ron, I love this channel. Keep up the good work!
I believe Hornady 100%. The problem is that they maintained their original claimed velocities with the compromised powder. And then when they got caught, they essentially said it didn’t matter, instead of admitting they screwed up.
I’d disagree with that. Tested this out with a few different rounds and within each box I took them apart and the amount of powder was wildly different from round to round.
Ill fly in a heartbeat from Norway, to come join you for the elk hunt
I have 7 prc and 7 rem mag, I hand load for both. 7 prc falls dead between 280 ai and 7 rem mag. Different companies offer off the shelf 1-8” twist 7 mag. I like the 7s, to me it’s a sweet spot. 7 prc in no way can out perform 7 rem mag. Its case capacity nothing magical
@@jasonharmon4314 In hand loads, correct
Shorter Barrel !
@ browning has short barrels which are performance lost from the start but also has 26” barrels
I’m here to learn more about my future 7mm Rem Mag (.284 cal).I don’t know much about all of these new cal 7PRC only that i’s ammo is hard to find. Thus I been buying rifles in the 7 most common all American cartridges. .243, .270, 308, 30-06, 300 Wm and my next one will be the 7mm Rem Mag. Im also considering the 7mm-08.
Great choice.
The 7 PRC is a good cartridge, but it is VERY far from being the miracle cartridge that Hornady and many RUclips hunters/experts claim it to be.
Yes, there will be more that make ammo for it, but I VERY much doubt it will be a very popular cartridge with lots of guns sold and many options of ammo for good prices.
With a 7mm Rem Mag you will have LOTS of different ammo to choose from and for the most part at lower prices then the 7 PRC as well.
The 7 PRC is mainly a self loading cartridge in my opinion.
In my opinion is the 6.5 PRC the best PRC cartridge by far and one that makes a lot of sense for hunting.
The 300 PRC is a great VERY long range target cartridge but doesn't offer more for ethical hunting than a 300 Win Mag does.
@ Sounds like the all of the PRC’s are modern improved cartridges over already popular and time proven calibers. Wondering if diminishing returns is the case here. My concern is not getting a slightly better performance now but most important is the life of the barrel. I would hate to pass onto my son and grandson junk rifles that failed the test of time because of limited barrel life.
600 yards anyways. Then his cheeks got redder lol If u got a 7 mag no point
@@miguelm8545 It is amazing the brainwashing of nonsense that make people in the comments complete ignorant about guns & ammo and hunting.
The only way a 7 mm barrel is going to get shot out is used in competitive shooting and any hunter and shooter of a box of ammo a year won't ever use up a barrel of any caliber of cartridge.
I build and sell rifles in wildcat cartridges and sell AR 10 uppers in all of the WSM magnums and reloader wildcats + old deer camp favorite cartridge like the 250 Savage and 257 Roberts in the AR 10 of the AR 10 uppers I build and sell in 6.5x51 Jap that has a great edge over the 6.5 NeedMoor.
I have been using for 20 years rifles chambered in 6 mm - 284 win with not one of those rifles has ever using up and shot out a barrel with the hunting the guns have been used for and this cartridge pushes 100 grain 6 mm bullets at 3900 FPS !
7-08 👌
“It shoots 1/2 MOA with everything you feed it” then shoots 1 1/2 MOA group.
😂
Different shooters
@@danrozanski6130 umm no they both shoot.
1 1/2 is 3 times better then 1/2. Duh.
lol the marketing team is amazing
For reference… my 22” Fierce 7 PRC gets 2925 with factory 175’s. Pretty damn nasty
Fierce🙌 You have chosen wisely👏
I’d get a Fierce, but I can’t get past the mag release. Lots of people complaining that it sticks out so much that it gets bumped and the mag falls out. I’m looking at a Weatherby 307 Alpine MDT Carbon and the Sig Sawtooth, but leaning towards the Weatherby cause it’s 2lbs lighter.
I like the looks of that Tikka Roughtech
@RaymondTusk74 nope its a t3x roughtech its even on the website
I've only had one bull elk take more than a couple steps. That one only went about a hundred yards. 7mm rem mag, 160 gr. Sierra game king, 60gr IMR 4831.
My moose gun is a Remington 700 BDL in 30-06 cut down to 18 inch barrel with a suppressor shooting Barnes 130gr TTSX home loads.
Compact enough and light enough for Scandinavian moose hunting. Going to test the rifle and bullet for Roe deer soon.
All these new wizzbang calibers have yet to spark the slightest of interest for me.
Will rebarrel my old Remington soon for a little fatter barrel and maybe slightly longer and in 30-06 ofcorse.
I reckon you are a closet 21 Sharp lover.
I can’t wait to see this episode!
Hi Ron, I always enjoy when Tate joins you. His 7PRC rifle by 10X Rifle Company has me interested but they don’t seem to have a website. Does Tate have a RUclips channel where I can reach out to him for some info on his 7PRC 10X rifle?
Lots of variables: Temp, Elevation, Barrel Length . I reload for 308 win, 6.5 CM, 300 WM, and 22-250 fast twist. I shoot mostly in the fall and winter, but velocities change drastically on all of them between summer heat and winter cold.
Im running a 180 eldm with n565 and cci 250 primer at 2907 fps 4 round groups from a 20" barrel. Absolute hammer on game run the numbers on that it's still doing 1834 fps at 1000 yards iv taken mule deer and black bear with it as far as 960 yards so far this year. Nothing has gone over 30-45 yards
Whenever I start going down a rabbit hole with a cartridge I will always reference back to the 30-30 ballistics and 30/06 ballistics. In thick eastern and southern woods those 2 calibers have taken everything.
So if my project of the time is doing better than those I can sleep at night easier knowing I don’t need to squeeze another 50 fps.
Though for a comparison I do have a nice 200g load in the whelen going 2835 fps. Low recoil and great accuracy.
Hahaha not really had to beat 30-30 ballistics😂😂
The 7 PRC case holds 78gr vs the 7 Rem mag's 82gr (4 grs difference) For reference the 300 WSM case holds 77 gr. The 7 PRC runs @ 65,000 psi vs the 7 Rem mag's 61,000 psi. Velocity wise they should be within 100 fps of each other with all other things equal. Running the longest ogive highest BC bullets requires a faster twist rate of (1:8) in the barrel and the proper head height of the cartridge to maintain COAL in the standard length actions and magazines. Thats what the PRC brings to the table.
The how do you explain I tried some of the 7mm 180 grain Burger bullets in a very old 7 mm mag maybe made around 1985 with no change in accuracy than shooting 7 mm 150 - 160 and 170 grain bullets.
The is so much now lying BS in gun videos that is brainwashing the most ignorant fools
7mm rem mag has been shot at or very near to 65,000 psi by hand loaders and pulls away from the prc. Throw in a browning factory 1 in 8 twist and the prc can't match it
@brandonhudson3093 I merely stated the facts of the factory 7 PRC vs Factory 7 Rem mag. You can hot rod anything aftermarket. I never claimed the 7 PRC to be anything that it wasn't. You still run into issues seating the longest ogive projectiles with a case head height of the 7mm Rem mag and a COAL to fit standard length actions and magazines. Actually I feel the 7 Rem Mag is a great cartridge especially where hunting is concerned. Both cartridges are well balanced.
@@lurebenson7722no ones saying its impossible to so in 7 rm
@@lurebenson7722 Berger 180 gr 7mm VLD hunting bullet .673 BC 1:9 twist rec, Hornady 175 gr ELDX 7mm hunting bullet .689 BC 1:8.5 twist rec, Hornady 180 gr 7mm ELDM match bullet .796 BC 1:8 Twist rec. Traditional 7mm Rem mag spec twist 1:9.25 to 1:9.50 twist. Your 7mm Rem mag rifle is on the very edge of being able to stabilize the 180 Berger and would struggle with the Hornady projectiles. The Berger 180 VLD is 1.506 OAL. Not sure what the Hornady ELDX and ELDM OAL is but given the BC's they are longer. That's where you really start encroaching into the case to keep your COAL for standard length actions with the Rem mag case. Not impossible to overcome just doesnt play as well.
Did anyone notice Tate’s first 3 shots grouped at less than an inch? Two different lots of Precision Hunter and an all copper. I think that’s a pretty accurate rifle and Tate is a better shot than he claims. 😬
My 280ai pushes 175eldx at 2825 out of a 22" barrel.....🤷
Thats slow
@viceversa922 I know, and that's the same speed he's getting with a 20" 7prc
@@waynebrown16and the animal can’t tell the difference.
@@thepracticalrifleman it’s more so when you’re considering shots over 400yds, especially with certain bullets that need higher velocities to work well.
@@viceversa922 most people have no business shooting past 400 yards. But let’s pretend you gain 100 fps…at 2825 with the 175, 1800 fps is maintained to 910 yards. At 2925, 1800 fps is maintained to 980 yards.
Explain to me where this makes a big difference.
My grandfather does a lot of Illinois whitetail hunting. What do you think about them allowing 300 blackout for deer?
Uncle Ron used my 6.5-06 with a 120 gr lost river ballistics all copper bullet at 3250 fps around 2001 or 2002 to shoot that 57 inch moose in northern bc. This was years before a 6.5 caliber was "cool". The entrance was a quartering shot into the point of the shoulder and the bullet angled through chest cavity, went through the heart and was recovered near the back of a full gut sack. I believe the range was 130 yards. The moose went under 10 yards and required 1 shot. Had Ron been using a 6.5, 7mm or 30 cal, non bonded, heavy for caliber target bullet like an eldm, eldx, berger, sierra match, nosler ballistic tip, etc., there is an extremely low chance it would have penetrated through the shoulder socket, into the vitals and into the stomach. It likely would have required additional shots.
The bullet design is far more important than the bullet weight and the caliber used. Instead of hunters debating the best caliber, we should be discussing the bullet and the pros and cons of different designs. Matching the bullet, caliber, barrel length for the purpose is about finding the correct balance. The shooter behind the gun is still way more important than the gun, especially if all other things are equal.
A 7mm prc is a good round, but in all my testing of Hornady factory loaded 180 elm, the velocity was 2770 to 2850 in my friends 23 inch 7 prc. Average vel over many lots was 2820 with an 50 to 60 fps ES over every 10 rounds. We could load the 180 to 3000 fps using ADG brass but not with 1 time fired or even most new Hornady brass as the primer pockets can't handle the high pressures. When handloading and when using a similar throat cut, high quality brass and a 24 inch plus barrel, the 7 prc will NOT out run a 7mm rem mag. They are within a few grains of powder capacity (7 prc is slightly smaller by about 3 grains). When i see or hear of shooters getting 3000 fps with a 175 or 180 grain bullet in a 22 to 24 inch barrel, it's likely they are shooting 65 to 75k psi which is way over saami specs as it requires about 3 more grains of powder than an already warm 2830 fps load. The 175 eldx produces similar or slightly faster velocities to the 180 eldm in Hornady factory loads. For shooters who don't reload, also look at brands like Federal, Barnes and/or a custom company like unknown munitions and hendershot.
Velocity loss is not linear based on barrel length. When you go from a 24 to 22 inch barrel, you might see 25 to 30 fps/inch loss, 22 to 20 inch might be 35-40 fps/inch and from 20 to 18 inch, it could be 50 fps/inch for example. Also if shooting a 180 grain bullet at 2850 fps vs a 150 at 3150 fps, the actual fps loss will be different but the ratio should be close.
I found that a 7 prc is slightly more efficient in a 20 inch barrel than a 7mm Remington Mag but not much. When reloading a 175 or 180 gr bullet, h1000, n565 or staball hd are common powders used in either caliber. Short barrels and slow burning powders are not the ideal combination for efficiency. Dropping from a 175/180 target bullet to a 145 to 160 bonded or copper bullet and using a faster burn rate powder like n560, r22, h4831sc, r26 or Staball 6.5 will be a better choice for hunting moose, elk or bear especially at ranges of 50 to 600 yards in a 7prc or 7 rem.
For short barrels, the 6.8 western 7 saum, 7 wsm, 300 wsm, etc. are a bit more efficient when shooting a suppressor and 18-20 inch barrel. Suppressors don't reduce recoil like a 3 or 4 port modern brake, so using a smaller caliber or shorter/smaller case will make spotting your shot easier. A 308, 7-08, 260 or 6.5 cm are good choices for shooting lighter weight copper bullets in 16-18 inch suppressed barrels if max efficiency and minimal recoil are required.
I see too many people chasing velocity with heavy for caliber target bullets, having a g1 bc of .65 to .750 or a g7 of 0.335 to .385 bc. Try dropping bullet weight using a premium bonded or copper bullet and reach 2900 to 3100 fps in a shorter, suppressed 7mm. Even with a g1 bc in the 0.475 to 0.60 range, retained velocity, wind drift and bullet drop out to 500/600 yards are very acceptable and what 95 percent of hunters will realistically experience. Heavy for caliber target bullets are ideal for long range broadside shots but are more likely to fail at close range/quartering shots especially on heavy bones and if they hit brush, branches or small trees, before reaching the animal, they will usually fail/explode.
Its difficult to find online/video comparisons which use the same ammo, same components, while testing for statistical significance. When products vary a lot, the results are not conclusive. Overall it was an interesting video but these new chassis rifles are generally not "better" than old school quality rifles shooting good ammo. A suppressed short barrel for sure has it's purpose but certain calibers and longer barrel lengths don't balance well with a suppressor. A more traditional and properly fit carbon or fiberglass stock is easier to shoot when you don't have a tripod/arca mount, plus they do a better job of dissipating recoil than a chassis.
Love your channel Ron!
I got a tikka t3x in 6.5 Creedmore set up with a leupold mark 3 8-24x50 for coyote hunting
Bro you were limping those shots at the beginning. 😂
Beginner question - why doesn't a rifle with a 20" barrel with an 8" suppressor get as much velocity as a 24" barrel without a suppressor? I understand the suppressor isn't cold hammer forged or rifled, but doesn't it give SOME extra burn?
Does a suppressor deliver ANY velocity improvement?
You might see 25fps gain in a 20in suppressed vs 20 unsuppressed. The reason is because as soon as it exits the barrel, there's nothing pushing on the bullet anymore. In the suppressor, almost nothing.
Its about a 1% velocity gain with a silencer added
@@z987k Thanks for clarifying that. I knew that the velocity stopped increasing once it left the muzzle, but I did wonder if the suppressor had the same effect - so from what you said, I'm guessing the 'boost' you'd get from ~8" of suppressor real estate is worth maybe ~10 - 15% of the boost you'd get from another 2" of barrel length.
I've studied how suppressors work, and the amount of propellant they absorb as the bullet passes through, I'm surprised any velocity increase would happen at all - but there is some pass-through up to about 3" of the total 8" where the velocity would still benefit the bullet. Fascinating stuff. But I'd still go for a 24" 7mmrm over a 20" 7PRC. I'd likely stick to 30-06 or even a 6.5PRC if I wanted to take 150gr > 2800fps.
@@tatsuhirosatou5513 Appreciate the help, thanks. Suppressors are illegal here in Canadastan, even on air rifles - don't get me started. I live close the border with Maine, so I'll be travelling south to get good with whatever rifle I choose. I have to leave it in the US on my way back though, so I'll try to work something out with a range there. Frustrating but I'm not going low caliber because of the noise. Tnx again.
@NunchucksHabit i only use silencer on aorguns since it's unregulated in America, I'm one of the people that refuse to give in and pay an NFA bribe to the government so I just use ear protection. Even my 338 laupua with a muzzle break is fine with good ear protection
Browning 7mm mag 155gr federal terminal ascent avg 3156fps 24” barrel and my 7prc 20” barrel with Barnes Vor-Tx Lr 160gr average is 2959fps and extremely accurate! Terminal ascent in the 7prc has an average of 2926fps with 170gr.
5 eldx= 1 nosler partition
Fierce carbon rogue with a 22" barrel getting 2765 with some heavy bolt lift occasionally.
175 ELD-x factory Hornady
As always, very informative
That cow elk hunt sounds amazing. Love that part of Utah.
Oldmate spent all that money $$$ on that beautiful custom rifle, and aftermarket trigger. And SLAPS it like it’s a barmaids arse..!!! I’m surprised that group wasn’t even bigger. Both custom rifles, which you both said shot like 1/2 Moa with pretty much everything you put in them!? And then shoot groups like that. 🤔 lol but I love your work and everything you do for us your audience Ron, keep up the awesome work. 👍
Indeed, no fundamentals whatsoever, every time I see Ron just operate a rifle, let alone shoot it, I can't help but think that he should not be allowed anywhere near firearms 😅
Just the way he holds the forend despite it already being supported by the padded rest, rather than using the non-shooting hand to support the buttstock, already tells volumes, not to mention what you did - the lack of follow-through on the trigger 🙉
I took my first and only bull with my 9.3 x 74r it went down in two. But it was a 105-yard shot. The bullet was a norma 232gr vulkan.
What do you guys think about a linear compensator instead of break or suppressor?
Very little recoil reduction and still super loud. They are better with a light recoil round in a shoter barrel like a 7.62x39 or 300 blackout. You still need hearing protection, but there is less blast to the shooter and others at the range.
By a suppressor.
@mikeshuman7393 can you loan me some money for my suppressor
I Sure Hope Everyone GETS IT. The It being Always shoot n see when changing lots of ammo
Somebody above mentioned 308 going from tach driver to 3 in groups.. Not the 1st time hearing that n then some.
I always try to get same Lot # n to get 2 boxes .. when getting factory. Not always possible
Great video, greetings from South Africa.
Gunwerks Nexus 7PRC, 180gr Berger, N570, 2950, no pressure
Ron What do think of using a 338Fed on moose? I have used it on elk with good results.
I think it’s one of the most underrated cartridges out there
What does the PRC designation mean?
Precision rifle cartridge
The only thing about 7mm rem mag is the belt on the case i will stick to my 270wsm or 6.8 western
I would sure like to see you prove it Every time I see videos with chronographs.the 7mm rim mag Always out performs the p r c
That’s because Hornady lies about their velocities and the REM Mag is faster!
bc it has more case capacity compared to profit reaping cartridge
@MarktheSharkC the rem mag shoots significantly lighter bullets to tho.. probably why the velocity advantage
@@allthingsconsidered3211 it’s a scarred cartridge and damaged Hornady’s rep!
100 percent
Since you are talking moose. Planning on a float for moose in 26. I have a 358 Norma mag, have a great load with 250 grn Partitions. Love monolithic in smaller rifles, would you think about a monolithic or stick with what I have.
Yep build a barrel at 27 inches and 1 inches 7 twist and bring a Standard 7 mag. I have a standard 7 mag I love and will never change and a debarred 7 mag to a prc both are great but the 7 doesn’t hold a candle to the custom length and twist. They look identical except barrel length.
Had a few box’s of 300prc in the match I was getting 150-300fps swings box to box called hornady they told me it was the gun and the run around.
On the 7mm rem mag is that tape with yardage on the top turret? If so what kind of tape are you using? I'm always interested in homemade turrets mods.
Only reason id choose the PRC Over the classic Magnum is most prc rifles have a slightly faster twist for the modern bullets then the Mag
I just put the first rounds out of my Weatherby 280AI that has a radial brake. I do not like it. I think it’s way louder than a side port brake.
23:30 lol it went 3, 900 and how many fps ron??
Great show
Can you try out some federal or Norma ammo on the 7mm PRC. We all know the muzzle velocity isn’t what it should be with Hornady ammunition.
The new loadings from Barnes for the 7 PRC and 280 AI have really peaked my interest. I don't own either chambering yet. It's hard to choose just one.
It's PIQUED not PEAKED.
I understand rifle chamberings and shelf ammo have a lot to do with popularity, but 1:8 twist 280ai with a high bc hand load makes the rem mag and prc quite obsolete.
I like 7 PRC, but in this video, the Big 7 rules! I think with 7mm, that speed is important when it comes to wind drift. Hey Ron, how did that small copper bullet out of your 7 perform on elk? Please do share.
Tate's rifle had a lot of muzzle jump even with the can. Follow up shots on animals that moved after getting shot would probably be a problem.
the mdt hnt 26 stock is terrible for this
This is what you get when you make fun of the ‘old fashioned’ guns and try to re-invent the wheel. A classic example of form over function
@ Grant Yet haven't you guys got onto over muzzle suppressors which have in NZ (New Zealand on tax stamp) which are muzzle forward by 3 to 4 inches and back over muzzle for up to 6 to 8 inches fitted to rifle for about $us400 including Can as we call them
We have them. I actually own one. Over the barrel is much less effective than baffles. Mine has baffles and reflex as it's called. 6 baffles knocks off about 30db. 3in of reflex 1 or 2db. For most people it's not worth the weight or added expense.
Oy, wish I'd known about the cow hunt sooner, my Utah cow tag was a beautiful waste of time this year.
They made the long range accubond to expand at farther ranges than the regular accubond so it’s not as tough by design .
Your 7 mag ammo is Federal. I use Federal 170 grain Terminal Ascent and it runs as advertised. Rated at 3000fps and I'm getting an average of 3065 with a 26" barrel.
Where's the 26" STW or RUM?
All depends, are we going hunting or shooting F-Class?
The 300 PRC is a great F-Class cartridge and the 6.5 PRC is a great hunting cartridge.
The 7 PRC is doing NOTHING better than the 7mm Rem Mag does when it comes to ethical hunting.
I know many are desperate to hype up the 7 PRC to be so much better than the 7mm Rem Mag but in reality is the only "advantage" in my opinion, the lack of the stupid magnum belt.
But that only matter when it comes to easy reloading.
Reloading with a mag belt seems pretty easy to me. Not sure where the big problem is? I suspect gun writers and hype artists. 🤷🏻♂️
I used to reload my 7mm Rem Mag at least 20 times (next resize only) and don't recall ever wearing out a case. I did wear out the barrel, and HS Precision put a 26" 7 STW barrel on it.
300 PRC is not an F class cartridge. 7prcw is with Berger 180 hybrid. Number of competition shooters used it at US F Class Nationals in Lodi Wisconsin.
Hmm funny how winchester and federal ammo is accurate and hornady is not what a suprise
Idk about you by my 22” 7 rem mag shoots a 175 at 3038fps flat spot node was 2970.
Should have used federal terminal accent
Buy a 7STW or a 7RUM if you want better performance from a .284 diameter and put a Krieger barrel on it.
There is now a 5 year wait from time of order to time of delivery for Krieger barrels.
I use Pac Nor Barreling for the line of AR 10 uppers I build and sell in all WSM magnums to wildcats and old favorites like the 250 Savage and 275 Roberts in AR 10 uppers for sale.
I even sell many AR 10 uppers in 6.5x51 Jap that has a good edge over the 6.5 NeedMoor.
The 6.5 NeedMoor was designed for a match target shooter cartridge, so the bullets are seated far out but the 6.5 x51 jap was of time when 6.5mm military cartridges were common and long seated out bullets was common, plus the 6.5x51 jap has a steep tapered case assisting in extraction from the chamber after fired.
I believe in wearing protection on the range but while I hunt? I hear them usually before I see them. So ok I’ll bring plugs and wait.
What camera are you using to record this ?
You are supposed to have the Garmin less than 15" from the muzzle. You are too far back, which will give you much higher velocity readings, I had a factory 308Win giving velocity readings of 2800FPS, while the box was saying 2620.
Stick with my custom 280ai 175 ablr 2850 under 1/2 all day
What barrel length?
Tate, your rifle is losing zero every time you travel. You know as well as I do that 100 yard zeros vary next to nothing from Death Valley to the summit of Everest. If you’re wondering where the zero shift is coming from, I’d start by swapping scopes.
2675fps you might as well shoot a 308win with a 165grain pull.
Yep I get 2625 with a 168gr eldm in my 18 inch 308. Way more efficient if you’re comparing case capacity.
Laughable... you won't reach BC that you get in 160-175gr bullets in 308 as you will with 7mm
@@MorrisOutdoors98 i think we know this bud lol. And coming from a guy who uploads hunting game videos. What’s laughable again? lol
guess which one has more case capacity
I own a Remington 700 7mm Rem Mag, and I'll never switch guns. My gun will get the job done, and that's all I really care about. Besides that I am disabled and I can't afford to buy these $1,000+ guns.
My dream hunt is going out west to hunt elk, but since the accident, that's probably not goin to happen. I'm looking at a new scope for my 7mm, I'm probably going with the Vortex Diamondback Tactical, it's $369.00. It's not a $2,000 scope like I see in these videos, but it will do the job.
3:50. I've never hunted a mountain. I imagine they're easy to stalk but hard to bring down. Dont think 7RM is big enough.
I live and hunt in Alaska moose elk and Grizzly 30 cal and larger If you guys come up for a hunt or 2 and are now experts
Native wound a lot of animals
Do they make a 7mm Creedmoor yet? They should if they don't. We all know how much better the 6.5 Creedmoor is as compared to anything else in its class, right Ron? So with that said a 7mm Creedmoor would clearly be better than any of those rifles. Calibers with the name Creedmoor always seem to have superior BC's too and we all know how important it is to be able to shoot at game 1500 yards away. I believe in this so much so that I always back waaaaaay up when I game. I don't stalk closer to game, I unstalk it so that the BC really comes into play. 👍
Ron your front sling stud is impacting front rest bag during recoil. It affects accuracy.
You guys are about to make me spend $$$
Id say easier to take a moose with more then needed vs trying to be efficient with caliber choice, even if moose are a little less agro then the ave elk.
Norma, Federal, Remington, and Barnes all have quality 7PRC ammo options on the market now that are way better than the Hornady offerings and get advertised velocity but still everyone in the comments on any 7PRC video are stuck on stupid acting like crappy Hornady ammo is the only game in town…. While also ignoring the fact that BC trumps velocity at distance.
Why would you not have used the same ammo for both guns? would have made a better comparison
What chassis rifle is that...????
MDT HNT26
When Marine STA guys deploy they test at whatever base nearby or ship if they’re operating at sea level, it’s common sense they’re going to have poi shift with alt and climate.
Funny about all these new cartridges, they aren't better than the old school rounds, it's just that you have to buy a new rifle, it's all about sales and profits. I always tell people to buy 30 06, 270 win, 7mm rem mag and 300 win mag. Those you can almost always find ammo for and are proven game takers.
Yes let the industrie go down slow so you can complain about that. If we all use granpas 30-06 and remington ammo, all the rest goes down hill, very clever.
@mrr0cksor669
No it's not about that at all. I buy new rifles the point is over commercialization has ruined the quality of new firearms being produced. Have you ever thought about why the old rifles were much better than the ones produced today.
@@mrr0cksor669no the industry wouldn’t go down without the new cartridges. They are just trying to get everyone on the PRC bandwagon. When you can’t hardly get ammunition for them. The PRC family of cartridges are only slightly better beyond 1k yards than the old school cartridges. And 99% of people don’t have the ability to shoot that far. So if you’re are just a hunter that relies on factory ammo. Stick to the old popular rounds.
@@gbaughman3348 I live in Germany, and we have high-end rifles. For a price, yes, but the innovations from overseas are good for the industry because people talk about and want new stuff. We had the tendenci her, that folks would get an old Mauser 98 8x57 and go hunt with it. That is bad for busyness ^^
@mrr0cksor669
I agree somewhat, and I do appreciate some of the new technologies in the industry. However many people think the newer calibers are so much better and there are not. You don't have to invent new calibers to use new technology and quality combined with technology would equal a better product without the sales hype.
Good luck stalking timber with a chassis rifle
I have tried the Hornady percussion hunter in 7mm REM mag. And 30-06. O have found they are the most inaccurate rounds I have used. I hope it works for you 😊
5 times with a 7 mag 🤔🤔🤔
Comparing 7PRC form a 20" barrel with a 7mm Rem Make with a 24" barrel is just not a valid comparison in terms of velocity & energy. If shooting with a 7mm Rem Mag instead of 7PRC, the hunter wanting a 20" barrel still wants a 20" barrel.
Your 7 PRC needs to have a 24” barrel to get the box velocity it’s like 6.5 creedmoor with 26” vs 6.5 PRC with 20” lol 6.5 creedmoor will beat PRC ass all day long
So 7x57, 7mm-08, 280Rem, 280AI, 7Rem Mag, 7mm Weatherby and others ive forgot.......Did we honestly really need another 7mm???
None of the cartridges mentioned was standardized with a 1:8" twist rate.
@@gunnaraw
Doesn't matter.
Gun makers have already started to make guns with with fast twist rates in older cartridges because of the newer long high bc bullets.
Very soon you can buy yourself a 7mm Rem Mag with a 1:8 twist.
And if you want to, you can easily change the barrel on your old gun to a faster twist barrel and have it already.
And suddenly is the 7 PRC offering VERY little extra compared with the older 7mm ones.
And if you want be able to seat the long bullet further out, so it doesn't stick so deep into your case, then you can get it all done in a longer action.
The 7 PRC is the PRC cartridge that makes the least sense.
The 300 PRC is a great extra long range target shooting cartridge.
The 6.5 PRC is a great hunting cartridge for shots out to what most would call an ethical maximum hunting range.
@@gunnaraw Bullshit, I have a 7x57, Zastava M70 with 1: 200mm twist rate.. which is more that 1:8"
Pretty stupid to buy a cartridge that can only get the advertised velocity’s with one powder that is unavailable and unavailable for who knows how long!!
Lots of handload experience with 7PRC?
@ Loading for the round is not hornadys claim to fame with their cartridges is it! They claim theirs is better because you can get tight chambers more accurate factory ammos and advertised velocity’s for people that shoot factory guns with factory ammos!! I’m sure if they could get the 3000 fps they claim with retumbo h1000 so on they would have but that isn’t the case! We’re going to talk handloads then the 7prc is completely irrelevant at best!! 7 rem is better 280 can nip it heels and if we go custom rifle custom ammo it’s even further from optimal!!
Okay, not even 2 minutes in and you compared to seven PRC get more velocity with the 20-in barrel compared to the 6.5 creedmoor with 22 in bro seven PRC and the 6.5 creedmoor is not even a f****** comparison. Come on guys. You're comparing apples to f****** peaches. I know I shouldn't sound like this. It's compare the 65 creedmoor to the 6.5 PRC. You're still not comparing apples to peaches. I don't care about the 20-in barrel. I'm getting 2825 out of my 708 with a 20-in barrel and Thompson center venture. And half inch groups
You go with a 20" barrel and then become concerned with muzzle velocity? A 20" barrel for a 7 PRC is like buying a Ferrari with a 4 cylinder. I think you would be amazed at all the unburnt powder you spew out of the muzzle every shot.
7 rem mag all day.
I waiting
That young feller lacks a few fundamentals
All these guys trying to say why their gun is better 😅