The True Cost Of Buying A Cheap Guitar
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I bought 3 Glarry's with the intention of fixing them up myself, so I could practice working on the frets, etc. I leveled, crowned and polished the frets, took care of the fret ends, locking tuners, tusq nuts, replaced either the full bridge or the saddles and/or bridge block. One of them, I put in EMGs and sanded down and refinished the neck. They play... okay - not badly. The tuning stability is... better than it was, but I'm still re-tuning a fair bit. I don't regret the experience of working on them, but being honest, those are seldom the guitars I reach for when I want to play. Maybe it's the weight - they are lighter, but there's always something telling my brain that this is still a Glarry.
I recently bought a couple Harley Bentons in the $200 to $400 range. There's stuff I want to do to those guitars, but they were playable out of the box and it's not a situation where I need to completely reinvent them. It feels like this is a real instrument and not a toy I'm trying to make into one. I think for most people, unless you're looking to practice working on a guitar without having to worry about screwing it up, you're better off spending in this price range even for a mod platform. You'll be happier with the guitar you eventually end up with.
I don't own any guitars over $2K and frankly, I'm not sure I'd be able to enjoy playing them because I'd be paranoid about dinging it or something happening to it. I do have an Ibanez Prestige, which is my most expensive guitar... and honestly, it plays like it. If you have the money and you want that little bit of extra refinement, I wouldn't tell you not to do it. I do know that I can be perfectly happy playing a less expensive instrument. In the end, your guitar isn't going to change who you are as a guitarist.
If you run out if adjustability on the bridge it is time to shim the neck pocket.
I find a lot of my clients disqualify themselves from needing a functional guitar based on their self-assessed skill level. It’s hard as a tech to know where to draw the lines of “good enough” for people not wanting to commit to fixing an already cheap instrument, and the jobs’ results almost never feel satisfying or even finished. I think the real benefit to the cheap guitar is that you can upgrade it as you see fit, and over a longer period of time, compared to dropping a lump sum on a more professional instrument. A Guitar of Theseus, if you will 😅
if you have had gig gear stolen .... if it looks inexpensive it is usually last to be looked at!
6:00 with bolt on necks you can just reverse shim the neck to lower the action.
Exactly
Bolt-on allows for flexibility to alter the guitar to suit your tastes.
Sometimes I get old kit squires from my friends, glue the frets in, do fret leveling, fret edge dressing, polishing, nut tuning, and other setup just for fun. A very trashy instrument, becomes a professional level tool.
You and I both live in Colorado. As a matter of fact, I think we both live in the same area just South of Littleton. Humidity is so low here that it you buy a guitar from a higher humidity area, you're gonna need a good setup within a month or two. The inverse is also true if you take your guitar from here to there.
I have family in Florida that I visit a couple of times a year and I like to have a guitar to play when I do, so I bought a Squire Affinity from a pawnshop down there for $150. I also took my tools to level, crown, and polish the frets and do everything else it might need, and then proceeded to hot rod it. It now plays and sounds great, and I leave it there, but even with all of the hot rodding, it's still a $150 guitar if I were to try to sell it. Point is, don't think your upgraded Squire is worth more if you hot rod it. Put the original parts back on if you want to sell it.
Real issue? Snobs hate any guitar that's cost less than a used car. With the CNC machines of today, you can own a basic instrument you can work on. 1.5K-4K (or more) or a 200-300 thing? You can fix any problem and swap out the electronics. Yes it's not exotic wood from the land of the swinging monkeys, but wood has nothing to do with the sound. All musicians should know how to setup and perform basic repairs. It doesn't change the luthier's status.
You've got a coupe of things a bit imo. 1st, I have a cheap guitar with a horrible neck that moves more than anything I've ever seen, but it's slightly twisted as well. Can I fix the twist? MAYBE. A more experienced luthier would be a better one to try, but at this point, why spend more money on it? (after already replacing the obnoxiously harsh pickups) So just saying "you can fix any problem" is too over-simplified.
And as far as what people "should know"...who decides that? You? You don't live other peoples lives, work their hours, know how comfortable they are working on things, etc. I've played with many musicians for over 40 years, and the VAST majority don't do their own work...and to put it nicely, probably shouldn't be trusted to do their own work lol.
I think it's awesome that people get ambitious and want to learn it all themselves, hell it's the reason I've watched Chris for years and started doing my own work all the way up to building several guitars. But I believe that group is far from the majority of people who pick up a guitar. More money is never an absolute guarantee of better performance, but it's generally true in my experience with maybe 40 guits at this point. It's not just snobbery that attracts people to more expensive guitars.
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So, here the tip: buy 10 or 20 cheap guitar for price of one expensive guitar.
After that, you can jiggle with parts over your entire life.
Important things - do not buy any glued neck or necktrough guitar. 😉
Excellent subject. Thank you Chris.
My experience: About 6 to 8 years ago I bought a bass from Monoprice for $99. (They touted their pre-shipping set up that was done by their own luthier) I was pleasantly surprised that it was set up well when it arrived. No sharp edges the hardware did not feel cheap and grinding when adjusted. The only adjustment I have made over the years has been a slight truss rod adjustment. It still play great and that feeling of finding a great deal for $99 still makes me happy.
I also bought an Epiphone Joe Pass Emperor II Pro about 5 or 6 years ago - a much better instrument with a much better pedigree. But, even thought it had low action and nice tuners and felt great in my hands, I never "fell in love" with it. I never had a guitar before that I didn't fall in love with but this one just didn't make me happy. I think it was the "gold" hardware that I liked the least.
That's my story. Hope it helps someone out there.
I love what you do and watching your videos. I'm just never going to be able to swing a 3-4k guitar. At this point, it's a luxury item.
I think the value of the guitar should be comparable to your current ability to play. My Grandson chose a Squire (not my choice) and the Music Store set it up for free. His guitar teacher checked it and gave it a thumbs up. My Grandson is happy with his choice. When he progresses to a much higher level he knows that a high quality instrument is in his future.
Kinda ironic, those old japanese squiers turned out to be well built instruments, but back then alot of us didn't know a thing about the importance of setup and maintenance, so we thought they just sucked
I have a few examples:
Bought an American Professional 2 Telecaster and although the guitar feels and sounds amazing, the nut and the frets needed additional work.
Bought a Gibson Custom Shop LP Jr. and although it feels, sounds and plays amazing, there are some rough spots on the guitar (visually) that don't warrant the full price. Got it on a discount so not complaining.
Bought an ESP E2 Eclipse that was flawless out of the box; plays amazing and feels awesome; sounds like a total dog.
Bought a used Highway One Telecaster; beaten up finish and played to death by the previous owner, I need to have the frets leveled, but he clearly loved it and used it and the guitar has mojo; sounds good and still plays well
Got a Harley Benton Telecaster for 88€ and it sounds good, plays well and for an additional investment of 130€ (better tuners, used DiMarzio Pickups) I have a guitar I would gladly tour and record with.
Every guitar is unique, but I agree chances are better to get a good instrument when you pay more. There is no guarantee though.
Best is to try before you buy.
J Mascis Jazzmaster: Perfect set up!
Fender Classic Vibe 70’s Jaguar:Total wreck. I fixed it. It’s my main guitar
Epiphone SG Special: pretty good setup.
I have bought mid priced guitars around 1k. They were pretty good to go. I have a lot of cheaper guitars. I like taking something that is meh, and making it amazing. I have been learning the skills over the years. I just got the Squier Debut and I am as we speak filing a brass nut. I have purchased some fireflys where all I did was change the strings.
The choice isn't $100 or $3000. This is a false dichotomy. For a beginner a Squire or Yamaha for a couple of hundred is perfectly good and for the dedicated amateur a guitar that costs $500 to $1000 is totally reasonable and you'll have a guitar to enjoy for your whole life. Personally i have travlled a lot in my life and bought a cheapish guitar in every new place i went to, so i have accumulated several of these cheap guitars. I am older and settled down now and i am ready to spend a bit more next time i buy a guitar but it won't be £3000. If i was buying that guitar today it would either be a Fender Telecaster or Ibanez Azs series.
I’ve been playing a Squier Classic Vibe 70s Stratocaster HSS, Maple Fingerboard. Very easy to setup even with the tremolo! Thanks for the video🤟
Guitarists should know how to set up a guitar. There is no excuse in this day to not know.
I'm a beginner with a folk guitar. A few months ago I got a new Donner strat ST-152 for net $126 and paid a luthier $40 to fix nut height and intonation. In most respects it seems flawless. (There tiny gouge under the varnish from the machining of the maple neck; I expect that such imperfection would not go on a custom axe, but worrying about that, at a tune of $4K, would be vanity. Before going to the luthier, I rounded and polished the fret ends a little. The fretboard has rolled edges; is a handsome dark brown with a very uniform texture, and I'm curious whether it is synthetic or real wood, but it is nice. The pickups and pots really seem to need an upgrade.
I am a firm believer that any serious guitar player should learn some basics about guitar maintenance. Set up goes without saying (it just kills me to see how many people think that getting a "pro set up" is good for life. And if you are lucky, the pro set up will restore factory specs, which are playable by anyone but optimal for no one. The only person who knows the best set up for you, your style, choice of strings, preferences, etc., is you). But other routine things like fret maintenance stuff (like fixing fret sprout, high frets, leveling, and just polishing them) are all within the grasp of most folks. Same with nut replacements, PU replacement, port replacements and more. And you don't need a lot of expensive tools to do this. And those tools will last for a long time and help you with all your guitars. And in this day and age, access to "how to" info is ubiquitous. Now, you make the point that not everyone has the skills required. My point is that no one does until they learn and practice. And learning and practicing on a $ guitar is every bit as relevant as learning on a $$$$ guitar (indeed, the cheap guitar may afford you better learning opportunities out of the box simply because it will have more problems). And learning on a $ guitar is a hell of a lot less nerve wracking. And every guitar, be it a $ guitar or a $$$$ guitar will need some work someday. Not all cheap guitars are worth saving. But if it has "good bones" (nice weight, balance, neck profile you feel comfortable with, a working truss rod) it can be rewarding to work on it. I had a Squier Affinity guitar many years ago (when Affinity was their bottom of the line and cheap). Over the years I replaced tuners, PU, nut, and did some fret work to round the edges and level them), took the high gloss sheen off the neck, and probably more things I don't even remember. It was a beast. And I never feared making a fatal flaw because it was cheap.
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here, Chris!
I always think of cheapo guitars being more up-front work to overcome defects and poor quality control vs the work you'd have to do on a more expensive guitar usually boiling down to smaller fine-tuning to dial in your personal preference
One thing I think is worth mentioning is that for some of us wanna-be luthiers who look forward to learning the techniques of building, modifying, and/or repairing guitars is that a cheaper guitar may be more enticing due to it being a better platform to learn on BECAUSE of the work you'd need to do to it to get it to play well.
It's definitely not for everybody, and sometimes when you're done with it you have an unplayable mess [bordering on firewood] and many lessons learned, but to someone like me who enjoys a good challenge and learning experience that can sometimes be worth the price of admission.
(Plus, you wouldn't have ruined an otherwise really nice instrument to get that experience!)
But, like you said, you get what you pay for. A local luthier building you a custom guitar will have way more attention to detail than a Squier/Epiphone/etc. and, as long as they're good at communicating with the client, can set it up for that out-of-the-box experience.
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I got a cheap GearIT Thinline Tele style as a Christmas gift and I was very impressed with the fret work on it, rounded fret ends and no unlevel frets. The frets were dirty with residue and had to be polished and it needed a setup, which I do myself since I have the skills and tools to do it.
I bought an sg kit from solo music out of Canada. It came in the kit with an Epiphone bridge and tailpiece. It also came with a black tusq nut. I ordered a set of Seymour Duncan high voltage humbuckets. I put on a set of Hip shot locking tuners. 18 to 1 ratio. Did my own setup it is just as good or better than the Gison SG. I don't even have a thousand bucks in it. Including buying the kit did all the work myself. Learned all of it from RUclips videos on how to.
My first ever guitar was a $150.00 ebay special that barely lasted a year but served until i was able to buy a slightly more upscale guitar from Schecter. It was $650.00 and took several months worth of fiddling, different setups, and a few dollars to get to where i wanted it and now, it is my most cherished instrument. Years later I bout a $1300.00 7-string from Schecter and to this day I still am not happy with the way it sounds, or plays.
I don't know what my point here is, really, but I DO know that I have experienced just about every guitar buying experience you can have.
Setting up a strat is easy, you don't have to pay anyone. Why? Answer: RUclips search. Even special tools can be made with regular tools or everyday items without ruining the tools. Again RUclips search. How do you think luthiers did it before they made actual luthier tools.
A horrible playing/sounding guitar is a quick deterrent to have a new player put down the guitar forever. Generally speaking, the cheaper, the more problems. And the inexperienced player likely has no clue what "set up" even mean. They may not even know what "frets" are lol. They just know their experience is frustrating, so they may just think "I don't have what it takes", and they quit.
Give them a much better playing and sounding instrument, and it could make all the difference in the world. Again, a generalization here, but the cheaper guitar is gonna be more likely to turn someone off to guitar playing.
bought a partscaster from Warmoth. Though they say that it might need some fretwork after installation it was fine (at least for me). The (Floyd-Rose) saddle was a bit to low so I shimmed it. All in all it was quite easy (as you would expect from Warmoth). Later I bought a Flying-V kit for a quite decent price which was a whole different experience. Neck angle was 0 degrees, first neck was tilted, mechanics not usable…it took a lot more effort than my first build (which I expected)
I like to tinker, so I'll buy cheap used guitars just so I can upgrade them. For a good off the shelf guitar, I find that $600 or $700 for me is an upper limit. There are plenty of fantastic guitars in that range that are premium quality. I throw that number up, even though my most expensive guitar was about $450 (Ibanez hollow body). I got an Epiphone Les Paul in a pawn shop trade that they were asking $450. Brand new on the shelf it was about $600. It looks and plays great. And there are plenty of guitars well below that are perfectly good gigable guitars.
Cheaper guitar with cheap quality frets, its not just the wood and tonewood of it. Its much more than that. Even the screws do not lineup in cheeper guitars (not all but most of em) The precision in a guitar is what's important, a single thing gone bad by the manufacturer could easily ruin the guitar in anyway whatsoever.
Haha, great video, so true about just about anything. As a new guitar player, I bought a used Squier Jaguar to save about 150 bucks. Turns out the neck was permanently warped, so I ended up buying a custom neck from Musikraft. It's awesome. Now, as long as have a custom neck, I decided to get a custom thinline Jag body, new electronics, etc, etc. So by saving 150 bucks, I am going to be spending well over a grand. lol
After 25 years experience of buying/trading new and used guitars I came to one simple conclusion. 1500€ is the most money one should spend on a brand new guitar. Pass this point, the price is artificially jacked up. Now concerning the different price point of new instruments.
100 to 200€ unless it's from Harley Benton it almost always requires fret work. Usually a simple fret dressing and polishing will suffice. But sometimes with Chinese Drop-shipped/Amazon guitars, re-setting frets (as those are rarely glued) or full leveling is generally a must. HB ones gets by on average with a simple setup (action height and intonation)
200 to 500€ rarely anything beyond setup is needed for those. Action is even often reasonably low and as long as there's no string gauge change, intonation and neck relief will be good enough.
500 to 1000€ Usually spot on right off the box there's always the one with the odd fret end sticking out or that has moved but it's rare. QC from the warehouse or the shop tends to be good.
1000 to 1500€ Rarely have I ever needed to do anything on a 1000€+ guitar. Especially when they come from conscientious brands like Ibanez, Schecter, LTD, Godin, Hagstrom, Solar Guitars, Yamaha to name a few.
1500€ and above I pretty much only bought guitar builder instrument at this price point. So they were just as I wanted them.
Honestly unless buying a custom guitar from our friend Chris here, 3000 to 4000€ is grossly overpaying. Bring any Harley Benton ST-60 to a competent luthier and they will give it the playability of any high end Fender Strat for a fraction of the price.
so far i have spent around $1500 building my dream ibanez jem which i carved on my cnc from your tutorials. it is the woody model tribute with all the internals exact to the model, correct pickups, trem, electronics and materials. I have chosen to upgrade the tuners to a higher quality gotoh tuner set and the pickguard, trem cover and output cover are brass with mahogany veneer 1/16" and mappa burl on top of that magnetically attached. its 40 years since i attempted building a guitar and it seemed easier back in the day because lack of knowledge made things easier. i didnt know what intonation was so i just installed the coolest looking bridge i could find and played it. it sounded awful but i attributed that toi the fact that i suck at playing guitar. Now that my granddaughter has taken an interest i bought her one of those $150 guitars and spent hours and $250 in parts upgrading it to make it playable. then i hear of lead paint scares in chinese guitars so as soon as i finish the jem woody this weekend i will start a PIA build for her. i have all the real parts as well but am putting in decent lookalike parts in the pickups and bridge until she gets older. i found a pretty good copy of the utopia pickups for the humbuckers and bought a brass cover and lasered it at work so it looks like the utopia center pickup. lastly a floyd rose special instead of the edge trem. neither guitar will have any ibanez branding externally, but im not scrubbing the logos off the internal parts. My logo will be on both guitars and a simple Woody script will be on the woody and PUNKIN SHREDDER on the pia. the woody will more than likely never be played unless she leaves her guitar at home and wants to practice while here. i never knew how hard it could be to trace down certain specific ibanez parts and how long it takes to recieve them when you do but Indonesia seems to be the place to look.
I have been all over the spectrum relative to this topic. I have a number of cheap guitars that are great that have taken relatively little work by me, my epiphone explorer and yamaha ac3r acoustic. I have been nothing but impressed by the quality and feel of the guitars given the cost under $600 for both of them, that said I bought them both used so I think the prior owners cared about the instruments and I reaped the benefits.
My cheaper ibanez's have definitely have needed work, my indonesian saber needs an overhaul, and my japanese 7421 pretty much got a total makeover, new bridge, nut, electronics, set up, stickers and I love it, feels like my guitar. My warmoth while it was never cheap, has had a ton of work done to it outside of the initial build (2fret levels, shims, spring replacements for the floyd) and still just doesn't feel right to me. Like its playable, but I don't love it.
On the expensive end I spent 3500 GBP in pre covid money on a Daemoness and I have always been disappointed with guitar, finish issues, playability issues, just never felt it was worth the money. My Suhrs while well built just never felt great in my hands, my Suhr 7 has huge shoulders... just why? My Carillions though those guitars have been amazing they are expensive and I feel a bit crazy for buying them are amazing, I can't say a negative thing about them.
TLDR I think cheaper guitars can be great with the right amount of attention. Expensive guitars in some ways are more of a risk because if you find you don't like something you are much more heavily invested and it just feels bad. The sweet spot in guitars is probably in the $800 to $1500 range where the hardware is high quality and some attention to detail has been payed to the build, and then refine from there. If you can find a manufacturer that suits your preferences, that trumps everything else.
Its never worth it. Unless the guitar have some sentimental value for e.g. its your first guitar and its not the value of purchase or being resold value for it. Guitar with good components and a credible manufacturer is a way much better option then to buy a cheaper guitar which you can later modify. Offcourse i had to do that because i never had that option but instead the Pacifica I modified costed me more than the current Pacifica standard sold at around 1100$
It depends. I own a 60s Strat MIC Squier Classic Vibe which I bought on sale for $259 and after some upgrades it's one of the best guitars I own. And I have custom shop guitars.
@@Joe-mz6dc Dear that is not considered as cheap guitar and its a good quality brand. Also cheap brand new guitars are in discussion here
the true cost of buying a cheap guitar new should also take into account the facts (or, if they're unavailable, worst-case assumptions) about where the wood comes from and how the people in all parts of the production are treated. no tree deserves to be turned into a Chibson.
what you say is true, but: it's totally worth it if: (1) you get used gear; another commenter talked about the ecological cost of all these new cheap guitars being produced, so used gets you around that issues, and (2) if you do your own set up work and include that as part of the enjoyment. There's nothing I like better than playing a gig and having gearheads come up to look at what I am playing, only to find that they're cheap tricked out import guitars.
This is a "from my experience" so it's anecdotal, but the problem I run into when friends approach me about purchasing an instrument either for themself or somebody close to learn with, the budget is often sat sometimes impossibly low for fear of investing too much money that they can't get a return on. I understand why Glarry or many of the Amazon specials would be appealing because of this. I do feel that budget friendly options still get a negative reputation because for so long "budget" was the worst of the worst.
It helps playing it in person, first,
I dont fault anybody for not being able to afford a well made and in most cases labor fair musical instrument. I do fault people for not knowing the inclination of buying something that is made for pennies by either slave or forced and or exploited labor. Second those replicas on certain websites have had, issues with toxic materials, including lead and unsafe glues.
If you really need a cheap affordable instrument buy used, there is always somebody who have given up on being the nest SRv and is selling his American strat for 500$.
Ive wheeled some crazy deals from people desperate to sell or no longer care
I find that the professional series of Fender got the attention a guitar deserves, when you play it you feel that it has been worked on. Personally i don't like any of the asian brands, and even the made in asia from the well known brands are just not what you expect. They let them make the guitar in asia for a good reason. Even my mexican made strat is not what i hoped for, though the price just bellow 1000 euro was not too much to get a good guitar. I think the step up from any factory guitar is when you buy from a luthier and know what you want. Unfortunately the prices are very high for such a guitar, and since many people play guitars there just isn't too much time to talk with the maker and get it 100% the way you want it. They are on a tight schedule...
The best thing to do I think is to go to a huge music store and try out and see what your budget buys.
Mike Rutherford tours with a squier affinity strat
I've built three kits, two from solo and one from LeoJaymz, and have had a lot of fun fooling around with them. I would not be doing this with a name brand spendy guitar.
Build a partsocaster. You'll learn in the process and end up with exactly what you like. About 1200 bucks.
I bought 4 harley benton guitars two were crap one of the two could not be tuned and they wouldn't warranty it the other one had frets all over the place gave it to a friend the other two needed neck adjustment they will play now but I'll never buy another one
Can I ask what price range? I can only speak to the two I have (CST-24T P90 and an Aeolus). Both were playable out of the box, though there are some minor issues I'd like to address at some point. My impressions from what I've read is that the less expensive Harley Bentons are, uh... "more variable" on quality control.
Thanks, you have just saved me about half a grand.
Here's my thought Chris expensive does not mean it's well made hint Gibson fender jackson since fender bought them where you pay a grand for a so called top of the line king v jackson especially when they are still made in China and the truss rods are still cheap skinny truss rods where some of those so called squire strats actaully with mods actaully can feel more comfortable to play and sound good with mods like pickup changes ect.
As for me I am done with spending money on pre-made guitars that are brand new.
And like I have said I will take my old yamaha rgx any day just to copy it and make my own like that so I can keep the original with any mod I want.
And as for my old jackson king v yes I may hate the body but I can still use that neck to test in other bodies profile it make fretboard changes ect and use it as a test neck in other bodies.
And by the way I plan to copy the shape of my king v jackson body but use basswood instead for my new body
And instead of the Incorect string through saddle feroles I have always hated I will just get floyd rose tremolo templates and route for a floyd.
And Chris I can get American basswood guitar body blanks for around 82 dollars I can go to stew mac and get hondoran mahogany blanks or African mahogany body blanks if I want heck at my local Lowes if I want to experiment I can always maybe try hondoran mahogany and get half inch thick maple wood to use a top wood or even get Popler wood there to try to as a thin top wood heck I could even try basswood as a, top wood and that's the beauty of learning how to just make it yourself.
As it's about what each individual player likes and wants and what plays and sounds good to each person player.
And that's something guitar manufactures have forgotten if you want to be a colecter and spend lots of money for a guitar to hang on your wall or just to be able to sell to a colecter for 25 grand fine but thats not what most guitar players I know do they want a guitar that they can use over and over again and plays and feels well and Chris that's where the tonewood debate gets so polorizing too.
But my point is if you don't like the tone even on a strat body bevause it was made with a, wood you don't like you can always add a thin piece of top wood to it as my brother in law said who by the way is a master instrument luthier who makes world class violens but used to make guitars including acoustic ones it's the top wood that matters more than the back wood.
I like cheap, light guitars, once setup right....
"Buy cheap, pay dear."
"When it's too good to be true, it usually is."
Inexpensive guitars are perfect for learning setup and fret work. I started out souping up cheap Squier and Epiphones and eventually moved into building my own guitars.
I'm so sick of seeing "Unboxing my new Chibson" type videos. Cheap guitars used to be step one to learning to play. China is pumping out millions of these dreadful guitars at god only knows what kind of ecological (and ethical) cost.
"Dreadful" You must be young, rich, or have a poor memory. What you get for $200 today is insanely better than what you got for $200 thirty or fourty years ago.
@@thegrimreefer3185so true! Definitely a youngster!! If you saw the $50 LP copy I had to learn on in the early 80’s you would be shocked I stuck with it and learned to
play at all!!