No, because Larry Carlton's guitar solo on Steely Dan's Kid Charlemagne was recorded in the mid 70s, and Fu Manchu's cover of Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult was recorded in the late 90s, and those are the two best guitar sounds, so QED the 80s did not have the greatest guitar tones.
Landau's detune settings that he mentioned in a recent interview are: L -13 cents, 20ms, R +13 cents, 25ms. Popped those into the H3000 D/SE and it sounds about right. I just put together a board with the HX Stomp, you can do the Tri Stereo Chorus and stereo pitch Detune in paralell on the HX, sounds rather nice!
I’ve been content with a mxr carbon copy in my loop for a long time. Maybe I’m just old fashioned. Also, “money can’t buy happiness, but it can buy guitar gear” needs to me made into a t-shirt.
Man, that Tricerachorus is really something else, sounds incredible! I have the Free the Tone Tri-avatar on my board but now I kinda want to replace it with the Eventide, the option to blend in the detune makes a big difference!
Good call on the trichorus, Dimension C was also popular at the time and, arguably, more widely used. Shiva made a trichorus pedal which is still around although harder to find, for the cheapskates, Nux Core Chorus offers trichorus setting and the Line 6 M5 offers both trichorus AND Dimension D emulations (but not together unfortunately). You're spot on for delays too - typically long and short together - 315ms and 600ms (Lukather) or sometimes 400 and 800ms (Billy Duffy). Reverb was typically plate (sometimes hall) with a looooooooooong tail (up to 4 seconds). For dirt sounds, the chorus typically came before the distortion to thicken it up. Interesting that you're putting the comp after the pre because that is going to raise the post gain noise floor somewhat.
Yeah the comp definitely ups the sizzle! I've got the Klark Teknik BBD320 which is absolutely killer for dimension sounds and IMO is a little more subtle and a bit less niche than the Tri, so it kinda works on more stuff. Parallel universe version of this would probably be Keeley Comp -> DC-2w -> Strymon DiG -> Poly Beebo with the Lexicon 224 Reverb IR's
@@LeonTodd That Klark Teknik is a great find for the price! You could probably cover gain in a separate video as well. Master Effects in Canada do a decent replica of a Mesa Mark 4 series called the Tetragon aka M4. TCJ Effects do something that replicates a boosted JCM800 called the Bombastortion. Lukather has one in his pedal board for solos. Both are surprisingly reasonable in price. Although I hope the prices don't go up if you do mention them! :) Speaking of which, Richard Watson has covered similar ground here but more from a US session heroes Landau/Huff perspective: ruclips.net/video/FNkInydPVNM/видео.html
Greetings from Brasil , leon is one of the best guitar players that ive been heard in this last years... Congratulations for your excelent job man! In every new video a great new knowledge!
As soon as I heard that tri-chorus, I started to put my stage makeup on..lol. What pedal/s would you use to replace rack drive units? Tri-axis, ADA MP3, etc...I smell a Pt 2 to this coming!!!
@@joshuaperdue6883 I would love to hear what @LeonTodd thinks! I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something like a Strymon Iridium, Ampli-firebox, or a Boss IR-200. I haven't used any of them, but it may get in the ballpark.
another awesome vid leon.....my tour rig was the 2;90/triaxis setup,,i still have them but now playing a mark v with a simple pedal board....i sold the ft-2y and got the ff-1y and i love it,,i been searching for a chorus and the eventide here is the one im going to get,,i love the depth it puts out,,reminds me of the old roland amps alex lifeson used to play.....thanks so much,,,,,
For someone as myself that's on a tight budget. I use the Zoom G9.2 TT. Picked it up for $200 off of Reverb. When these were released they were like over $400 retail. So I consider that a bargain. It's got a great sound for a compact budget unit. The only thing I haven't been able to do is get that detune sound to put behind the chorus or in the chorus. I have not been able to find any quality tutorials on this unit. Most of them are just the sounds out of the box which with most units like this it's going to sound like crap. But playing along with really good guitar players on RUclips like Dann Huff for example, I've been able to match the sound pretty closely. But this is a good video for starting point. Although this covers stomp boxes, at least it shows the signal chain of how the effects should be placed in order. Good job explaining it! 👍
Awesome sounds and playing! If I was building a board like this I'd even go as far as adding something like a "Wetter Box" to run the delay and reverb in parallel... as is tradition.
Sounds fantastic! Going to have to get that chorus pedal. Then, all I will need is a keyboard player and vocalist to go with my guitar playing and will be ready to rock!
Used to lug a couple of 4U racks around in the 80s and 90s to get all these tones. And a stereo amp set up with a couple of 2x12s. Probably why my back is stuffed
Here's a tip dialing in multiple FX buffers in a recentish tps video they turned on a heap of buffers at once and found that the tone was somewhat more compressed... so you wanna turn all the pedals on at once with the mix on zero including the comp and dial in from there Also with an axefx model or IR/attenuation setup we tend to run the master volume / Poweramp in ways that would blow our heads off if we were sitting in front of a tube anp/cabinet dialing in say a dynacomp (think the phase inverter in a Marshall model) So it can help to run a compressor model a good bit lower if you've got your amp tone dialed in I mean it depends what you ultimately want of course Cheers Leon!
Gorgeous man! I’m intrigued to know why you chose the Tri Chorus over the Micro Pitch…maybe a comparison video could be interesting ! cheers man…subbed!
Superb Leon. Only thing I can throw in is if you are specifically after Landau tones, I think you need a vibe to warm up the crisp chorus. Thanks for tone chasing 🙏
A very good idea for a video ! As stated in the other comment: it would be great to see which pedals Leon would choose to replicate the Ada Mp-1 & Triaxis.
I used to have an ADA MP-2 and still weep that my younger self got rid of it instead of adding a delay pedal to it and learning to dialing it in. I traded for a "new" Digitech 2112. Thought effects made my tone. Whoops.
Really cool, although one of the benefits of the old rack gear which is harder to duplicate with pedals is the programmability of rack gear with presets and MIDI control. I know some pedals have MIDI control, but there would need to be something like a pedal loop switcher to take full advantage of it. And then you do start to get close to the price of some of the all-in-one units. But still... there is still something fun about pedals.
Everything except the comp here supports MIDI. As you said though, then you're adding a switcher to your board and dragging the entire vibe more towards a "multifx" style thing anyway.
I am lucky to have a Lexicon 224, Eventide H3000, TC2290 and Universal Audio 1176. I am waiting to get my Klark Teknik Dimension back with the Roland mod.
I have a kind of poor man's version of all of this for my band (we do a sort of punk-tinged UFO/Saxon/Judas Priest thing), and with me being an 80's kid, I just HAVE to have some shimmer and depth in my leads. I'm running a 2000 LP into an MXR Phase 90, MXR Q zone (both for my EVH and Schenker fix), a Digitech Multi Chorus (very effective bargain bin modulation), a Freidman Dirty Shirley for the crunch, EHX Silencer, then for lead boost into send return of a Lehle lop box I have a Boss GE7 eq for vol and slight 1k bump, A DD7 for echos btwn 300-400 ms, and a TC Flashback for 40-70ms delay. One push on the Lehle engages the EQ and delays. Chorus/Phase etc to taste. These all go from pedalboard into a Quilter Tone Block 202 amp (great pedal platform) and out of a 1960A cab with 2xV30s and 2x G12T75s. Cheap but really does the job and compact for a quick gig occasionally hehe. My vintage Gallien, ADA and Alesis etc rack stuff stays in my office, looking like some Star Trek console. Cheers
Yeah, pretty much nailed it. But you make an excellent point about the pedals vs an effects modeler. I love my Helix, but I do wonder if I'd be more inclined to experiment with a pedal, whose knobs just seem to call out for twisting.
Marshall Shredmaster is a must have, sounds exactly like a hot rodded boosted marshall and more like tube distortion than any other distortion pedal I’ve ever tried
I am extremely lucky that I have to change the pickups in a guitar because if I didn't have something more important to do, this vid would have had me spend a ton of money haha! also considering that you've done a few free the tone videos, it would be hella interesting seeing you compare their tri stereo chorus (the tri avatar?) to the tricerachorus
Amazing playing Leon, and you got like 90% there with the pedals, no one except someone who owns the 80s units would notice a difference. BTW, your collection is growing and looking nice, when is the fulltone TERC coming? Is the only missing piece in your puzzle
Yeah I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get one to complete the rack at some point. The Klark Teknik Dimension clone does a pretty awesome job at the moment though.
The tri-chorus sound made me think of Tesla's Hang Though. Although I think most of the chorus is delivered by the bass track actually. So rare to notice effects on bass tracks, for me at least. I'll be honest and say I've been looking to get out of pedals for some years now (although still grabbing nice ones here and there, I'm not trying to get rid of them), and looking to have rack units that would do all the business, having just the bare minimum like a preset MIDI board in the feet for simplicity, somewhat of a plugging straight into the amp guy. The pedal tap dance and cabling and positioning everything in the feet feels a bit too much, but obviously the world is moving in that direction (so much cheaper to do it in pedals as well, for both sides of the market). And it's obvious why too, just a couple of rack units and not even a 2 slot tube power amp (just that lee jackson 1 unit, even though it's heavy as sins) and I can barely get the rack box lifted from the ground. And everybody is doing pedals on youtube these days. So I'm not that into pedal videos, but this context is good for many and I'm sure I'm in the very margin of it, the channel just needs videos like this to keep afloat. There's not an endless list of good rack units available, if even existing. And you do a good job. Can tell it's late october video, just saw the door creep open when you engaged the delay. Can you talk about being a youtuber of your kind in some of your QA videos? Like it might seem like a simple thing "just play a bit of guitar and release the video", but it's somewhat niche topic and to keep finding the units and topics, figuring out an interesting perspective that everybody else hasn't done already. The editing and perhaps the bit I've noticed the most, you're VERY active engaging your community in the comments. It must take a lot of your day and the payout is tight, and then you're running a gigging and recording band.
You can do that sweet detune and chorus thing with the Rocktron Replifex too (or even better using the detune from the Replifex in to the chorus of the Intellifex). I used to run mine that way when I ran a rack setup, such a sweet and lush sound! I know you want to try that now. :D. It all makes me want to go back to a stereo rig.
What I think is it is unfair for Leon to put 80's in the video title, draw me like a moth to a flame, and not play for about an hour so I can close my eyes and time travel.
What reverb alternatives do you guys think fit the bill? aside from the bigsky I've bee eyeing the Talisman, Polara and Oceans 11. Probably my favourite video on youtube right now!
Amazing video! Thank you very much. Have you ever tried the Strymon Ola‘s trichorus mode? I own one, but never heard a dytronics in real live for refeeence. Will it approximately do the trick together with the eventide Micropitch delay pedal? or should I rather buy the tricerachours? Or the free the tone pedal with the eventide Micropitch delay? Thank you :)
Not tried the Ola, but now that i know it has a trichorus mode I'm interested! Tricerachorus is probably the easiest as you get trichorus AND detune in one
I'm looking for a 80's liquefied chorus found on the Rockman delay chorus (BBD100a). What would be a good pedal clone of these awesome sounding Choruses of the 80's? I want that hardcore Def Leppard Hysteria sound. I have a boss CE-1 and yeah it sounds great just not that liquid lush that comes from the Rockman. Anyone have thoughts on a pedal clone of a Rockman or something that sounds pretty similar? This eventide sounded pretty sweet!
Somewhere in the 9 minute point in the video you kicked in a great sounding overdrive/distortion tone, what pedal was that? Is it from the fractal that I think you’re using?
Late to the game, but gotta know... is the tricerachorus worth buying if you only run it in mono? If not, which chorus pedal would you recommend for mono? thanks
Amazing tones! However, I want to find a pedal that emulates the dbx160a. That thing just slams the guitar signal in a way I haven't heard in pedals, and just has "that 80s compressor" sound.
Sounds great! I got some questions: How did you get it to sound dirty at 9:10 for example, is the order you presented the pedals in the same for signal chain, and which if these pedals would you run in front of the amp and in the effects loop?
The rule of thumb has been gain based (clean boost, overdrive, distortion, eq, and compression) go to the input while time based (chorus, delay, reverb, etc) are loop. However, switching orders and where they are in the chain does create different sonic characters. Example, Zakk Wylde doesn't use a loop and has a chorus pedal in front of the amp. I also put a chorus after my delay (backwards to the rule of thumb) with awesome results.
Trichorus is pretty sweet.. have you ever heard of rexx acoustics.. company out of Canada made solid state amps that were pretty killer and a head of their Time tonaly speaking.. you ever run across one for cheap, check it out.. I used to demo them here in us for the company as they had no US marketing/distribution. The rg 45 combo and rack mount rg 100 were nice.. snarling mids like an eighties jcm 800 etc.. ampeg ss70, of course Randall rg 100 eighties tone..
@@LeonTodd yep.. the rexx acoustics was definitely one of those.. of course godin is definitely another one.. Pearce electronics was different for sure.. ive probably owned 40 different amps tube, hybrid, modeling, solid state.. LoL could kick my own but for trading a lot of them off to.. been using line 6 boss katana Etc.. decent sound not tube, but a bit of the essence of Etc LoL..ahhh chasing the tone rainbow LoL.. as soon as I get happy with one amp, the but This has More low mids and rectifier compression.. I can see the el34 train coming to town.. so long silicone diode s and MOSFET chip lol.. . Need to get a Lego set interchangeable modular preamp exchange amp... Just drop in a 6v6 here, MOSFET there, a dash of 5881, some cosm modeling and sharc chip bucket brigade with tap tempo... The future of amplification has arrived in a Optimus prime exterior 😁📢 hoist up the el34 and recompose it with a el84 mid breakup lol... Trans ampliy silicone diode vacuum technology in disguise lol.. Optimus 45 Watt class a anyone,😁😂 .. that there joke so corny it has ears LoL.. sorry being a goofball.. vacuum tube vapor's getting to me lol..
@@LeonTodd you should see the crazy pick design's I've been making.. thus so far everyone that has been using them say's they are fast accurate precision Etc.. I call them the accident waiting to happen series LoL.. that is exactly how I stumbled on some simple geometry changes that create less pick drag and stability of picking Etc.. not revolutionary or anything,but pretty cool..
@@LeonTodd if you ever want to try some different pick design's out, let me know I'll send you a few for Free.. LoL not a plug for your video either.. I figure Freely given idea Free to All who might utilize it.. really just make one side of a guitar pick slightly shorter than the other and make top of pick higher on one side than other.. kicks the rake out like a chopper or desert Baja Husqvarna moto.. causes pick tip to slant slightly towards neck pickup etc.. so picking becomes easier,less drag across string's, faster More prescise picking of single Notes arpeggios, sequences Etc.. still working decent for rhythm chord comping Etc..
Running the Axe-Fx for Amp/cab sim so this actually mimics a W/D/W setup where the fx are placed after a loaded down amplifier. very similar behaviour to an fx loop though.
Big Sky/TL will do everything you ever want, amazing pieces of gear! I went with the Future Factory and Mercury here because they explicitly set out to cop the vibe of a few "rack classics" while the Strymon big boxes are designed with maximum flexibility in mind.
The 80s produced the greatest guitar tones ever, change my mind.
It didnt. Too much reverb and compression.
@@huntermcdougal5013 Zip it
No, because Larry Carlton's guitar solo on Steely Dan's Kid Charlemagne was recorded in the mid 70s, and Fu Manchu's cover of Godzilla by Blue Oyster Cult was recorded in the late 90s, and those are the two best guitar sounds, so QED the 80s did not have the greatest guitar tones.
@@methyodwhat about Eddie on the brown tone, Slash with signature JCM 800 #34, Bon Jovi, Metallica Black Album, Satriani, etc. etc
Still Got The Blues was released in 1990 but was recorded in 1989.
That chorus sound is unbelievable 👌
Landau's detune settings that he mentioned in a recent interview are: L -13 cents, 20ms, R +13 cents, 25ms. Popped those into the H3000 D/SE and it sounds about right.
I just put together a board with the HX Stomp, you can do the Tri Stereo Chorus and stereo pitch Detune in paralell on the HX, sounds rather nice!
Absolutely glorious tones brother. The trichorus + detune sounds so so good! 4:25 - my feelings exactly!!! Thank you!
I’ve been content with a mxr carbon copy in my loop for a long time. Maybe I’m just old fashioned. Also, “money can’t buy happiness, but it can buy guitar gear” needs to me made into a t-shirt.
You literally sold me on the Tricerachorus, I just bought one. You're my new favorite RUclips guitar channel. Big love, Leon! 🤘😎🎸
Humbled! Thanks mate
Same here, I also bought it, my first product from Eventide after studying this video, arrived today. Hope Leon gets a share.
Man, that Tricerachorus is really something else, sounds incredible! I have the Free the Tone Tri-avatar on my board but now I kinda want to replace it with the Eventide, the option to blend in the detune makes a big difference!
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I'm so glad they included the detune - it really does add that extra "magic".
Rocco, may I ask, did you end up getting to try the Tricerachorus? I've been debating between which to get: the Tricerachorus or the Tri-Avatar.
Good call on the trichorus, Dimension C was also popular at the time and, arguably, more widely used. Shiva made a trichorus pedal which is still around although harder to find, for the cheapskates, Nux Core Chorus offers trichorus setting and the Line 6 M5 offers both trichorus AND Dimension D emulations (but not together unfortunately).
You're spot on for delays too - typically long and short together - 315ms and 600ms (Lukather) or sometimes 400 and 800ms (Billy Duffy).
Reverb was typically plate (sometimes hall) with a looooooooooong tail (up to 4 seconds).
For dirt sounds, the chorus typically came before the distortion to thicken it up. Interesting that you're putting the comp after the pre because that is going to raise the post gain noise floor somewhat.
Yeah the comp definitely ups the sizzle! I've got the Klark Teknik BBD320 which is absolutely killer for dimension sounds and IMO is a little more subtle and a bit less niche than the Tri, so it kinda works on more stuff.
Parallel universe version of this would probably be Keeley Comp -> DC-2w -> Strymon DiG -> Poly Beebo with the Lexicon 224 Reverb IR's
@@LeonTodd That Klark Teknik is a great find for the price!
You could probably cover gain in a separate video as well. Master Effects in Canada do a decent replica of a Mesa Mark 4 series called the Tetragon aka M4. TCJ Effects do something that replicates a boosted JCM800 called the Bombastortion. Lukather has one in his pedal board for solos. Both are surprisingly reasonable in price. Although I hope the prices don't go up if you do mention them! :)
Speaking of which, Richard Watson has covered similar ground here but more from a US session heroes Landau/Huff perspective: ruclips.net/video/FNkInydPVNM/видео.html
shiva / red seven does however make the lil wave chorus, oh thats what you probably meant
Yep! 80's achieved! Sounds great. Definitely got Dokken vibes👍🎸🙏
Greetings from Brasil , leon is one of the best guitar players that ive been heard in this last years...
Congratulations for your excelent job man!
In every new video a great new knowledge!
Opa! Bom saber que tem outros brazucas que apreciam o trabalho do Leon.
@@glaucosouza1971 É nois
Hi Leon! Good morning to you Brother. Enjoyed your selections and presentation. Thanks for sharing and Be Well All!
It’s sounds so good I have to order one myself ❤
So nice that the micro pitch is in there too.
Thanks for your great demos 👍😊🇸🇪
As soon as I heard that tri-chorus, I started to put my stage makeup on..lol. What pedal/s would you use to replace rack drive units? Tri-axis, ADA MP3, etc...I smell a Pt 2 to this coming!!!
KSR Ceres.
@@joshuaperdue6883 I would love to hear what @LeonTodd thinks! I'm gonna go out on a limb and say something like a Strymon Iridium, Ampli-firebox, or a Boss IR-200. I haven't used any of them, but it may get in the ballpark.
I feel like I'm back home in my safe and happy place when hearing those sounds. :)
Reminded me of Honeymoon Suite! Great video.
Now I’m gassing for all four of these!! It’s the ultimate ‘80s pedalboard! Dayam
this definitely sold me on the Landau pickups!
they're fantastic, totally transformed this guitar
I always love to see Leon's love, joy, and passion for the guitar. ❤
Ah! The face of Joy when you know you nailed a wonderfull tone 3:00 Priceless.
Haha, yes. I don't blame him - that chorus sounded glorious
another awesome vid leon.....my tour rig was the 2;90/triaxis setup,,i still have them but now playing a mark v with a simple pedal board....i sold the ft-2y and got the ff-1y and i love it,,i been searching for a chorus and the eventide here is the one im going to get,,i love the depth it puts out,,reminds me of the old roland amps alex lifeson used to play.....thanks so much,,,,,
This came up as I'm watching your 2 flangers from PRS pedal so I had to review.. What a great title!
Thanks brother!
No thank you!
For someone as myself that's on a tight budget. I use the Zoom G9.2 TT.
Picked it up for $200 off of Reverb. When these were released they were like over $400 retail. So I consider that a bargain. It's got a great sound for a compact budget unit.
The only thing I haven't been able to do is get that detune sound to put behind the chorus or in the chorus. I have not been able to find any quality tutorials on this unit. Most of them are just the sounds out of the box which with most units like this it's going to sound like crap.
But playing along with really good guitar players on RUclips like Dann Huff for example, I've been able to match the sound pretty closely.
But this is a good video for starting point. Although this covers stomp boxes, at least it shows the signal chain of how the effects should be placed in order.
Good job explaining it! 👍
Awesome sounds and playing! If I was building a board like this I'd even go as far as adding something like a "Wetter Box" to run the delay and reverb in parallel... as is tradition.
That's a great idea!
Listening to your chorus sounds and I felt like I was in Lethal Weapon
Just ordered Eventide’s TriceraChorus, thank you for the presentation!🤘
Hope you enjoy it!
Sounds fantastic! Going to have to get that chorus pedal. Then, all I will need is a keyboard player and vocalist to go with my guitar playing and will be ready to rock!
Nailed it, man!
Tricera and the FTT!
Spot on.
Used to lug a couple of 4U racks around in the 80s and 90s to get all these tones. And a stereo amp set up with a couple of 2x12s. Probably why my back is stuffed
3:21-3:26 is what I have started calling the Leon lick cause you do it in a lot of your videos. Just a little blues lick
hahaha I don't even have to watch this to know the one, you got me!
Wow, even with all those guys the SNR was great! Ahh...80's Rock, Glorious! 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Serious talk tho.. 80's clean and a strat is really all you need.
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Great video and amazing tones, brother! We’re so lucky to have so many options now to recreate our favourite tones!
Thought of you when i was putting this one together :D
Another stellar production from LT VIDEO OF THE MONTH RIGHT HERE FOLKS🤘
3:06 - Ooh. Noice! That's got a wonderfully watery wobbly way about it....
Gotta figure this one out on the AxeFX3. I have all the pieces, so it's a matter of the settings/mix....
Shouldn't be too hard. if you start with all the depths around 75% on the Trichorus on the Axe it's close
Here's a tip dialing in multiple FX buffers in a recentish tps video they turned on a heap of buffers at once and found that the tone was somewhat more compressed...
so you wanna turn all the pedals on at once with the mix on zero including the comp and dial in from there
Also with an axefx model or IR/attenuation setup we tend to run the master volume / Poweramp in ways that would blow our heads off if we were sitting in front of a tube anp/cabinet dialing in say a dynacomp (think the phase inverter in a Marshall model)
So it can help to run a compressor model a good bit lower if you've got your amp tone dialed in
I mean it depends what you ultimately want of course
Cheers Leon!
Yeah any time I plug my amps in through a cab in here I'm like "why does it have to be so loud to sound good?!" :p
Gorgeous man! I’m intrigued to know why you chose the Tri Chorus over the Micro Pitch…maybe a comparison video could be interesting ! cheers man…subbed!
Since the Tricerachorus does tri chorus AND detune it ticked two boxes at once. Micropitch delay is a killer pedal if you just want detune
Superb Leon. Only thing I can throw in is if you are specifically after Landau tones, I think you need a vibe to warm up the crisp chorus. Thanks for tone chasing 🙏
Yeah Landau's 90's stuff in particular is like Hendrix reincarnated with all the advantages of newer tech!
A very good idea for a video !
As stated in the other comment: it would be great to see which pedals Leon would choose to replicate the Ada Mp-1 & Triaxis.
those can't be replicated,,,i have both and nothing compares to the real thing..
I used to have an ADA MP-2 and still weep that my younger self got rid of it instead of adding a delay pedal to it and learning to dialing it in. I traded for a "new" Digitech 2112. Thought effects made my tone. Whoops.
The reverb stopped working on my old early 90s crate, can I use the mercury 7 to just add reverb and still keep the sound i get from my amp settings?
Really cool, although one of the benefits of the old rack gear which is harder to duplicate with pedals is the programmability of rack gear with presets and MIDI control. I know some pedals have MIDI control, but there would need to be something like a pedal loop switcher to take full advantage of it. And then you do start to get close to the price of some of the all-in-one units.
But still... there is still something fun about pedals.
Everything except the comp here supports MIDI. As you said though, then you're adding a switcher to your board and dragging the entire vibe more towards a "multifx" style thing anyway.
How did I miss this!!!! Glorious!!!
Reminds me of the 'Owner of a lonely heart' tones
Money does not bring happiness, but you can be miserable in comfort.
Thanx Leon
for another great entertaining video with a lot of value and knowledge!
Greetings from Munich! 😎🤟
My pleasure!
I am lucky to have a Lexicon 224, Eventide H3000, TC2290 and Universal Audio 1176. I am waiting to get my Klark Teknik Dimension back with the Roland mod.
Tell me more bout this Roland mod :D
Post 480. The mod is supposed to make the Klark sound like the Roland unit.
Those are some magnificent sounds mate
Absolutely!
When you added the trichorus I went, oh my God! Lol
I have a kind of poor man's version of all of this for my band (we do a sort of punk-tinged UFO/Saxon/Judas Priest thing), and with me being an 80's kid, I just HAVE to have some shimmer and depth in my leads. I'm running a 2000 LP into an MXR Phase 90, MXR Q zone (both for my EVH and Schenker fix), a Digitech Multi Chorus (very effective bargain bin modulation), a Freidman Dirty Shirley for the crunch, EHX Silencer, then for lead boost into send return of a Lehle lop box I have a Boss GE7 eq for vol and slight 1k bump, A DD7 for echos btwn 300-400 ms, and a TC Flashback for 40-70ms delay. One push on the Lehle engages the EQ and delays. Chorus/Phase etc to taste. These all go from pedalboard into a Quilter Tone Block 202 amp (great pedal platform) and out of a 1960A cab with 2xV30s and 2x G12T75s. Cheap but really does the job and compact for a quick gig occasionally hehe. My vintage Gallien, ADA and Alesis etc rack stuff stays in my office, looking like some Star Trek console. Cheers
Clears throat “that’s was Fucking brilliant” well done my friend
Thankyou brother!
I use to love all your sounds, but that clean is harsh as hell!
I was thinking the same thing.
Me too. More noticeable when he digs in.
Yeah it's crispy isn't it. Basically all the effects work to take that edge off.
I really dig this classic 80s clean sound. It would be perfect if you could try to re-create the same sound in Fender Tone Master Pro!
Check the preset exchange, I've done a Rockman inspired 80's clean patch
Yeah, pretty much nailed it. But you make an excellent point about the pedals vs an effects modeler. I love my Helix, but I do wonder if I'd be more inclined to experiment with a pedal, whose knobs just seem to call out for twisting.
That Eventide is amazing!
Pure magic
Marshall Shredmaster is a must have, sounds exactly like a hot rodded boosted marshall and more like tube distortion than any other distortion pedal I’ve ever tried
I am extremely lucky that I have to change the pickups in a guitar because if I didn't have something more important to do, this vid would have had me spend a ton of money haha!
also considering that you've done a few free the tone videos, it would be hella interesting seeing you compare their tri stereo chorus (the tri avatar?) to the tricerachorus
Really want to try the Tri!
@@LeonTodd +1 Would love to see a Free the Tone Tri-Avatar vid/comparison! :)
You had me at Blade Runner reverb, wish you added dimensional chorus tho ;)
I'd love to see the reverse, how to get modern metal tone out of 80's gear.
I'm doing that journey myself but on bass.
Very interesting! I'll give that a go
Killer Vid!! Love all these.
All sound amazing
You still can get close with just a regular chorus and an analog echo. I know that is not exactly the same but imho it is close enough and affordable.
Amazing playing Leon, and you got like 90% there with the pedals, no one except someone who owns the 80s units would notice a difference. BTW, your collection is growing and looking nice, when is the fulltone TERC coming? Is the only missing piece in your puzzle
Yeah I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get one to complete the rack at some point. The Klark Teknik Dimension clone does a pretty awesome job at the moment though.
The tri-chorus sound made me think of Tesla's Hang Though. Although I think most of the chorus is delivered by the bass track actually. So rare to notice effects on bass tracks, for me at least.
I'll be honest and say I've been looking to get out of pedals for some years now (although still grabbing nice ones here and there, I'm not trying to get rid of them), and looking to have rack units that would do all the business, having just the bare minimum like a preset MIDI board in the feet for simplicity, somewhat of a plugging straight into the amp guy. The pedal tap dance and cabling and positioning everything in the feet feels a bit too much, but obviously the world is moving in that direction (so much cheaper to do it in pedals as well, for both sides of the market). And it's obvious why too, just a couple of rack units and not even a 2 slot tube power amp (just that lee jackson 1 unit, even though it's heavy as sins) and I can barely get the rack box lifted from the ground. And everybody is doing pedals on youtube these days. So I'm not that into pedal videos, but this context is good for many and I'm sure I'm in the very margin of it, the channel just needs videos like this to keep afloat. There's not an endless list of good rack units available, if even existing. And you do a good job.
Can tell it's late october video, just saw the door creep open when you engaged the delay.
Can you talk about being a youtuber of your kind in some of your QA videos? Like it might seem like a simple thing "just play a bit of guitar and release the video", but it's somewhat niche topic and to keep finding the units and topics, figuring out an interesting perspective that everybody else hasn't done already. The editing and perhaps the bit I've noticed the most, you're VERY active engaging your community in the comments. It must take a lot of your day and the payout is tight, and then you're running a gigging and recording band.
Hey Leon, looks like @7:58 someone is in your video behind you playing sneaky sneak! LOL! Also, love your videos and your playing!
Well spotted :D
You can do that sweet detune and chorus thing with the Rocktron Replifex too (or even better using the detune from the Replifex in to the chorus of the Intellifex). I used to run mine that way when I ran a rack setup, such a sweet and lush sound! I know you want to try that now. :D. It all makes me want to go back to a stereo rig.
Replifex is so underrated!
What I think is it is unfair for Leon to put 80's in the video title, draw me like a moth to a flame, and not play for about an hour so I can close my eyes and time travel.
Great video
Any chance you could share your secondary settings for that magic tone? I set my knobs as you have them and it just doesn't seem to sound the same...
What reverb alternatives do you guys think fit the bill? aside from the bigsky I've bee eyeing the Talisman, Polara and Oceans 11. Probably my favourite video on youtube right now!
GFI Specular Tempus is great too
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THe sweet sauce!!!
Amazing video! Thank you very much. Have you ever tried the Strymon Ola‘s trichorus mode? I own one, but never heard a dytronics in real live for refeeence. Will it approximately do the trick together with the eventide Micropitch delay pedal? or should I rather buy the tricerachours? Or the free the tone pedal with the eventide Micropitch delay? Thank you :)
Not tried the Ola, but now that i know it has a trichorus mode I'm interested!
Tricerachorus is probably the easiest as you get trichorus AND detune in one
Thank you very much! :)
Is that "One Simple Thing" by The Stabilizers at the 4:00 minute mark you are playing? Perfect tone by the way!
It's actually a Ragdoll song called "Self Censored" but I can certainly hear a similar vibe there!
Does the Eventice Eclipse sound better than this chorus and delay pedals?
Tbh? Trichorus is good, needs. Little lighter depth or slower rate, it’s great though
I'm looking for a 80's liquefied chorus found on the Rockman delay chorus (BBD100a). What would be a good pedal clone of these awesome sounding Choruses of the 80's? I want that hardcore Def Leppard Hysteria sound. I have a boss CE-1 and yeah it sounds great just not that liquid lush that comes from the Rockman. Anyone have thoughts on a pedal clone of a Rockman or something that sounds pretty similar? This eventide sounded pretty sweet!
Hopefully PastFx release their Rockman clone soon.
Somewhere in the 9 minute point in the video you kicked in a great sounding overdrive/distortion tone, what pedal was that? Is it from the fractal that I think you’re using?
Yes, Axe-Fx III. It's one of the Mesa/Boogie Mark series models.
Late to the game, but gotta know... is the tricerachorus worth buying if you only run it in mono? If not, which chorus pedal would you recommend for mono? thanks
Depends on what "flavour" you want. My favourite "chorus" these days is the PastFx Elastic Mattress with the feedback all the way down.
Well, as usual i am late to the party. For these effects, would you put all 4 in the loop and keep the gain obviously infront of the amp?
Yeah
Were these pedals being run in series or parallel in this set up? Thanks for the info.
Series
Chorus-gasm @ 3:00! lol!
5:22 = every top 40 pop song, Fall of 1988
Thompson/Landau/Huff in the house!
Veeeeeery niiiiiice 🥰🥰🥰
Amazing tones! However, I want to find a pedal that emulates the dbx160a. That thing just slams the guitar signal in a way I haven't heard in pedals, and just has "that 80s compressor" sound.
Same. Recently bought a 160A
Sounds great! I got some questions:
How did you get it to sound dirty at 9:10 for example, is the order you presented the pedals in the same for signal chain, and which if these pedals would you run in front of the amp and in the effects loop?
The rule of thumb has been gain based (clean boost, overdrive, distortion, eq, and compression) go to the input while time based (chorus, delay, reverb, etc) are loop. However, switching orders and where they are in the chain does create different sonic characters. Example, Zakk Wylde doesn't use a loop and has a chorus pedal in front of the amp. I also put a chorus after my delay (backwards to the rule of thumb) with awesome results.
Trichorus is pretty sweet.. have you ever heard of rexx acoustics.. company out of Canada made solid state amps that were pretty killer and a head of their Time tonaly speaking.. you ever run across one for cheap, check it out.. I used to demo them here in us for the company as they had no US marketing/distribution. The rg 45 combo and rack mount rg 100 were nice.. snarling mids like an eighties jcm 800 etc.. ampeg ss70, of course Randall rg 100 eighties tone..
heard of but never seen one in the flesh. Canada has some really great but overlooked manufacturers
@@LeonTodd yep.. the rexx acoustics was definitely one of those.. of course godin is definitely another one.. Pearce electronics was different for sure.. ive probably owned 40 different amps tube, hybrid, modeling, solid state.. LoL could kick my own but for trading a lot of them off to.. been using line 6 boss katana Etc.. decent sound not tube, but a bit of the essence of Etc LoL..ahhh chasing the tone rainbow LoL.. as soon as I get happy with one amp, the but This has More low mids and rectifier compression.. I can see the el34 train coming to town.. so long silicone diode s and MOSFET chip lol.. . Need to get a Lego set interchangeable modular preamp exchange amp... Just drop in a 6v6 here, MOSFET there, a dash of 5881, some cosm modeling and sharc chip bucket brigade with tap tempo... The future of amplification has arrived in a Optimus prime exterior 😁📢 hoist up the el34 and recompose it with a el84 mid breakup lol... Trans ampliy silicone diode vacuum technology in disguise lol.. Optimus 45 Watt class a anyone,😁😂 .. that there joke so corny it has ears LoL.. sorry being a goofball.. vacuum tube vapor's getting to me lol..
@@LeonTodd Keep the killer videos coming my friend.. much appreciated and educating as well 👍👍
@@LeonTodd you should see the crazy pick design's I've been making.. thus so far everyone that has been using them say's they are fast accurate precision Etc.. I call them the accident waiting to happen series LoL.. that is exactly how I stumbled on some simple geometry changes that create less pick drag and stability of picking Etc.. not revolutionary or anything,but pretty cool..
@@LeonTodd if you ever want to try some different pick design's out, let me know I'll send you a few for Free.. LoL not a plug for your video either.. I figure Freely given idea Free to All who might utilize it.. really just make one side of a guitar pick slightly shorter than the other and make top of pick higher on one side than other.. kicks the rake out like a chopper or desert Baja Husqvarna moto.. causes pick tip to slant slightly towards neck pickup etc.. so picking becomes easier,less drag across string's, faster More prescise picking of single Notes arpeggios, sequences Etc.. still working decent for rhythm chord comping Etc..
Dear Leon have you tried the Little Wave by seven? 11:42
Not yet!
@LeonTodd Mason Merangella did an 80's sound video and it sounds really good but it's not stereo but great sounding
Hi leon ..What amp did you use? Was it your Axe Fx? thx
Yep, Axe-Fx.
I tried to get these tones on the line 6 hd500x but the unit does not have a detune pedal in it.
Hi Leon nice tones. Could you maybe demo the TC G Major 2 rack processor one day through a pre- amp and power amp? 👍
Still haven't tried a GM2 - I had an original G major in my old live rig and it fell apart. Still have the G-Force which rocks!
Will the H9 get the same chorus / detune tone as the TriCera or better? Or would you recommend getting the tricera too?
Same algo so you should be pretty happy with it!
@@LeonTodd Sweet
Any idea if Eventide will keep updating the Tricerachorus with more presets in the pedal software manager?
Not sure unfortunately.
@@LeonTodd sorry one more question hah what preset are you using on the tricerachorus?
Are you using the factory preset Schmo zone in this video?
Correct!
What's the difference between #LeonTodd and #KingsofLeon?
Are you running it in stereo there?
Nice spanking clean tones
Where are the effects placed in the signal chain? after preamp before poweramp?
Running the Axe-Fx for Amp/cab sim so this actually mimics a W/D/W setup where the fx are placed after a loaded down amplifier. very similar behaviour to an fx loop though.
Scholz rockman into a pa old school thick chorus and stereo quick 50 millisecond separation spatial detuning..
oh fml i thought this was a lesson on pedal notes. i shouldnt try to learn guitar having a headache, coming home after a full day of work.
Pedal Tones you say? Sounds like a good idea for this week's 5 minute licks vid!
Thoughts on Timeline vs Future Factory and Mercury 7 vs Big Sky?
Big Sky/TL will do everything you ever want, amazing pieces of gear! I went with the Future Factory and Mercury here because they explicitly set out to cop the vibe of a few "rack classics" while the Strymon big boxes are designed with maximum flexibility in mind.
What precise colour is that strat Leon?
I think it was originally Olympic White but the lacquer has made it go the colour of milk that's been left in the sun