Yes!!! Nightstands in the bedroom!!! Can't stand RV manufacturers who forget that some people want a place to set a bottle of water, a cell phone and maybe have a clock next to the bed! Perfect layout and excellent use of space, especially for a solo traveler.
I'm old and disabled, so an ottoman would not work for me. Now, my husband may like that idea in itself. Lol We would probably prefer theater seats or recliners of some kind. Even with out grand kids we would probably use sleeping bags on the floor, for them, in a unit such as this. Thanks again, JD, for another great RV video.
I suppose this could be towed with a 1/2-ton pick-up truck but you probably won't enjoy the experience. Just because you can tow something doesn't mean you should. Maybe you can tow it, but can you stop it? The pin weight for this rig will be around 2000 lbs, definitely in the 3/4-ton range. I would say this is definitely a perfect 3/4-ton 250 Super Duty/2500 HD pickup truck rig payload wise.
I like the unit for all of the standard features. With the slider closed it looks like there is no lavatory access. Refer access and lavatory access is important when traveling. Rest stop areas don’t often accommodate using slide outs.
I actually like this layout very much. A suggestion that maybe you can share with the Coachmen people - the attached desk table concept is one of the best ideas i've seen. maybe take it one step further - make it 6 inches wider (there is room), keep the same length , do not attach it to the wall - have 4 very sturdy legs. this way you can put a bench seat along the wall pull the table away and have 2 chairs on the inside aspect of the table and be able to seat 4 nicely. Put it back up against the wall as a desk when the extra seating is not needed ? this way the bench seat is under the table(of course it can have storage inside) when not needed and you have a little more flexibility for seating a couple extra people. or have 2 folding chairs and no bench but still have the ability to pull it out to play cards, boardgames, etc and accomodate for up to 4 people. As a bigger person, i have found the dinettes/fixed tables/benches to be very unkind and very uncomfortable in the majority of RVs. There is certainly plenty of room in the center of that living space to easily pull that out a couple of fee when needed. There is a huge center area of the room that is wide open.
I have never thought much of the Coachman brand. Wow, they have REALLY upped their game. I'm pleased to see what they have done with this model. I love the desk bar area. I would keep the backed chairs just like they have provided. I don't need an ottoman to trip over.
I appreciate that you stress the safety but something like this is designed for the people that don’t want a big 3/4 ton truck. I understand not all 1/2 ton trucks can handle this but if you get one that has the capacity for the trailer and things you bring with you then little things can improve the ride. You can do things like the road active suspension system or airbags to stiffen the rear end when you’re towing. Also swapping to something like the Reese goose box (I understand you would have to have at least the 6.5’ bed for this option) or an Anderson hitch will help in the sense that it will be lighter than a traditional fifth wheel hitch. Again I appreciate the fact that you care about safety but this attitude that a 1/2 ton truck is useless for towing is ridiculous. They have capacities for a reason. I will agree you shouldn’t max out the capacity of your truck with little experience towing. And that it shouldn’t be an every weekend kinda thing but for most people that take the trailer out once every few months but want a comfortable and a more nimble truck on a daily basis then a properly equipped 1/2 ton with a few additional items will do just fine.
Outside of the weight, where the pin is positioned as far as control and sway goes the fifth wheel tows better than a bumper tow. Where manufacturers really mess up on half tons is rating them at 35psi on a P tire.
I appreciate the safety aspect as someone who made the weight mistakes and had to upgrade later. I do agree 100% on IF your truck has the capacity you could tow it, but the majority of half tons would not have the payload for this. Only 1 configuration I could find could when fully loaded and it was the HD payload package. You pretty much have to order these to get them so anyone who has one knew what to ask for when purchasing. This means he covers 95% or more of cases fairly well. The problem is most people don't know and listen to an rv dealer who tells them "it will pull it just fine", when in fact it shouldn't. Then they have stability problems and its too late and you either need a smaller trailer or a bigger truck and neither is a cheap option. A 3/4 ton truck is not any longer than a half ton with a 6.5ft bed option, so is it a bigger truck if the wheelbase width bedsize and the cab are the exact same?
@@dandurig8181 the 3/4 trucks are a little longer. For example on Chevy the 1500 crew cab with standard bed is 241.41” overall length. The 2500 crew cab with standard bed is 250.04”. The standard bed is Chevys 6.5’ bed (it’s a tad longer on the 2500) while I’ll agree 9” isn’t a lot for some people it could mean the difference of it fitting in your garage or not. Personally I don’t park my vehicles in a garage but some do and others may have to based on hoa rules or city ordinances. The biggest difference in a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton is maneuverability. The 1/2 tons have a much better turning radius. Plus if you drive your truck daily and only tow 2 or 3 times a year you may want the better ride on a daily basis. As far as finding a truck to handle this trailer I did a quick search at a dealership local to me. They have a 23 custom trail boss with the 5.3. The label gm puts in the door jam states that specific truck has a payload of 1,817 lbs a gooseneck tow rating of 8,600 lbs and a gooseneck tongue weight capacity of 1,305 lbs. the only issue with this specific truck is the gooseneck tow capacity is 300 lbs under the gvwr of this specific trailer. The simple solution to that is not to load the trailer to gvwr. (Even if you did it would probably be fine since the conventional rating is 9,300 lbs) All that being said. I would personally be comfortable using that truck to pull this camper a few times per year. I grew up around them and have a lot of experience towing. I also have the common sense to take it a little easier since I’m pretty well maxed out. That doesn’t mean I completely disagree with JD. I think if you are the type that tows every other weekend or even once a month then a more equipped truck would be a good idea. I also think a bigger truck would be a good idea if you lack the experience towing and the common sense to take it easy. My argument is that you shouldn’t completely write off a 1/2 ton for towing bigger trailers.
Modifying your suspension by adding air bags, Timbren springs, etc. doesn’t change the rated payload capacity, towing capacity, or GCWR of the given truck.
Love your idea of a long ottoman I'm going to raise you one on that. Why not put slide up rails on each end one long side of the Ottoman and be able to raise a wooden back up if you wanted and slide it down when you don't or are storing it. Could be a patented idea. Just make sure that the rails dip down a little bit below the ottoman so when you use it to put your feet up you're not hitting the top of the wood seatback. My other thought was the table should be moveable in case you want to move it over and use it as a prep area. Just takes a lift up clip To reinstall or remove. Also, if you have people on the couch and people on the ottoman with table in between you've added some people room for dinner. There you go...
Lovely little unit and I like the idea of the long ottoman or even two shorter ones that could store things like cozy blankets for the couch. And it was great seeing Dave again. He is such a likable guy.
I looked a few more of the new short/sweet shorter models. Can't tell if the bathroom/bedroom is available with the slide in. Would you please address this important matter?
Loving this unit a lot especially the dedicated work area with windows on the camp side!! One thing I would love to see would be a floating or swivel table for the couch so you can sit there watch tv or view the great outside even work also eat and not have to be at the desk area. Would be nice to see the incorporation of the max bed storage feature like used on their northern spirit trailers. The drawers are nice now but for a full timer like I’m hearing up to be that max bed storage is a major hit on my wish list for my next last unit. 😁💛. Ty for the amazing detailed information and great tour of a sweet ride!
Love the set up Bathroom pocket door is awesome Would like to see Theater seats or Recliners in the slide out Window counter to 100 fold better than the Dinette Great job, my Titan would pull that without issues (I’ve done mods of course)
Yes, an ottoman/bench is a good idea. So would be an adjustable height folding table to put in front of the sofa if you want to sit there and eat your meals and watch TV. A nice RV and very cleverly laid out.
My guess is that waferboard bed will be bowed into the center before the end of season two, requiring bracing/ support. One nice thing about higher end models framed out in aluminum would likely not need reenforcement .
Shhh… they don’t want the buyers to know about the inferior construction. The wrapped countertops are another ridiculous “feature”. I’m wondering if they are fixing the frame issues.
Topic request! Please do a video about 5th wheel front shelf heights vs contemporary pickup bed rail heights. Our 2021 Chevy 2500 bed was much higher than the leveled height of the fifth wheel we bought. New 5th wheels rarely show this in specs. This mismatch might necessitate suspension or tire mods for level towing (and balanced axle loading).
Nice unit, but a twin bed version should be offered. Manufacturers don't seem to realize that there is a market twin bed couples units. A lot of couples travel (not camp) so being able to bring a lot of stuff is not a big priority. We need more cooking space in the kitchen more elbow room in the bath, theatre seating and twin beds without having to pay 200k (look at airstream). And thank you for reinforcing the fact that there are no such thing as a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel.
I used my 2016 F150 to tow my 2017 Jayco Eagle HT 265BHS(33ft sleeps 10). Dry weight of 7323lbs(8300lbs now), 1350lb dry pin weight(1700lbs now). It has CRE 3000 from the factory, i double tow with a very light tandem utility trailer(bikes, real bbq, 55gal water drums, kayaks,etc). I have pulled with a 1999 powerstorke, 2016 F150, 2019 F350, 2020 F250 HCTTP(GVWR downrated F350) and now with my 2022 F150 HDPP. Downfall with the 2022 is the payload. This truck makes camping a two vehicle trip because we need 7 seats.
I think you should spend longer inside going thru & showing all the storage. Maybe kinda like Myles rv does. Like Both sides of closet or is there anything behind the door like more rod space. The couch is it a recliner or just a trifold or a pull out or jackknife *please note this is my w Personal opinion not trying to tell you how to do your job or anything lol
Question for you, I was told in a different RUclipsr’s video that fifth wheels never come with booth dinettes. Is that true? This is a pretty nice unit, I like the darker colored sofa. This is definitely a couple’s camper. Not much room to be for a family. Thanks for sharing JD!
Thanks for the information. Been watching you for years. Finally was able to upgrade to a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel with an 8ft bd. It's only a SRW, but a great work truck. Your video content has been invaluable in the selection process. Now I'm looking for an RV that I can comfortably tow and is 4 season rated. For now, it would be recreational use, but could potentially be for full time living while working in the northern states. Thanks again.
I like 👍 this 5th wheel I really like the floor plan and the size 27' 28' I would like to see one with a little bit of off road capability for going on gravel roads to some of the high lakes to do bet of fishing 😂 really like this one
Can you get this model with a theater seat? The question might have been answered already, but i missed it. We are a fan of your channel and enjoy your reviews.
This is definitely half ton towable with a FEW trucks (only full-sized obviously). We have a 2022 Tundra SR5 with 12,000 lb. towing capacity, and 1900 lb. payload capacity. If loaded smartly, it could definitely handle it. It'd be tight, but it could do it.
There are not, “a lot of half ton trucks with a cargo weight of 1800 “! Please don’t make these kind of statements with out going to a truck dealer lot and check the stickers on on the door frames. You will soon see that the average cargo capacity on 90% of the 1/2 tons trucks is 1300 lbs. Also unless you put sand bags in your trailer you will not get 1800lbs of cargo in it! That couch is really ugly. Take it out and put in two recliners with a better matching color. Was there any solar on the roof? Moving on!
It is kind of strange, thinking years back a 5th wheel of 30 feet and above was considered large, then came those 33 feet and more. Suddenly the RV World goes back to below 30 feet. We had a friend that had years back I think it was 24 or 25 foot long 5th wheel and that was about the norm then. With that said, this layout is very doable and roomy.
I like this unit. They did a great job with the space they had to work with. I’d buy this unit, but of course, it depends on the price. Although it’s a nice unit for those that want a smaller 5th wheel and/or want something to tow easily behind a 3/4 ton, if the price isn’t competitive, it defeats the purpose. I really don’t have any complaints about this unit, other than the fact that I would rather see the bedroom drawers to be finished iff with drawer fronts. It looks unfinished to me.
JD been watching you for years anyway I need your take on the coachman version of the Tiffin Midas and what do you think is better for your money but more importantly my wife now has taken a fall last Christmas and is still on a cane and a walker I think I would like to see more somewhat pre-handicapped mobility things like, maybe a ramp to go up into the fifth wheel, or some type of running board to go up to the upstairs portion. Do you think that coachman or any of the others can come up with a universal sort of add-on for people with mobility issues.
I would feel significantly better towing this with a 1/2 ton then that TT weighing 2k mores mainly because of fifth wheel physics. Significantly safer IMO, but you do you.
What would you need an ottoman for when you have a recliner? I’ll stick with the chairs. Overall, great design for couples. How’s the floor plan look with a king size bed?
I really like short 5th wheels. I've looked at them at RV shows. My issue is that "light" is often accomplished by being flimsy. I'd rather have more weight than flimsy frames, suspensions, toilets, doors, faucets.
Not sure I see the point ,7000 lbs no more living space than a jayco 25rb that's 5800 and is definitely half ton towable,if one must have a 5th wheel I guess..
This is absolutely half ton towable with some of the newer 1/2 tons. If you were towing all the time you would probably be more comfortable towing with a 3/4 ton. But, towing occasionally? 100% half ton towable. Set it up correctly, drive safely, you're just fine.
Variable speed true DC heat pump offered for the second HVAC in bedroom? A few BTU less, but huge efficiency boost, and boon dock capable with expanded solar and batteries. Really would want to see both HVAC use same tech.
Mr. BTBRV, I have listened to you on your reservations concerning using 1/2 ton trucks for hauling 5th wheels. I have a 2024 Chevy 4x4 5.3 engine GVWR 7100, Empty 5345, payload 1755, GCWR 15,000. Am I capable to Safely pull this 5th wheel. If not, is there one made that you can steer me toward? Thanks for any help.
@mikeshuck2760 would not recommend that 1st of all it could cause more uneven weight behind your truck 2nd of all your tow vehicle may not be designed to handle that much weight 3rd the question becomes can you control everything under harsh conditions like heavy wind,heavy rain, lots and lots of heavy traffic something to think about
Need to find a large BH (me 3 kids/dog). Fulltime living. But my truck for the mean time is a 2012 F150 5.0L 4X4 XTR 3.73 ratio 6.5" bed (max tow/cap packages). I am unsure what it could handle. Most likely be only towing trailer to local campground/sites short distance without kids in truck
Your truck specs should be on the door jamb. Take the max cargo/ tow ratings and multiply by 75% to get safe & sane tow amounts. You don’t buy a tow vehicle for “short distance “. The same problems exist on the road whether it is a local or long trip. Doesn’t matter if someone pulls out in front of you 1 mile or 1000 miles from home, still have to stop that RV. Please, please, please don’t believe the “Half Ton” towable crap promoted by RV manufacturers or the salesmen. Also, make sure you are using loaded RV weights, not the empty values RV salesmen seem to give.
It’s hard to find a critique? C’mon, JD. You’re losing credibility very quickly given your relationship with Coachmen. How about we start with carpet in the bedroom? This is 2024 and they’re still using “carpet”? …and they’re still using plastic sinks in the bathroom? C’mon, JD. C’mon, brother.
@@ANathan123 I disagree. Completely. Manufacturers use carpet because it’s cheap. This is a statement on the overall quality of the rigs that they are building. If you’re into cheap, then sure. I guess that’s a personal preference.
@@Carol-D.1324 I disagree. The reason they use plastic sinks is because it’s cheap….like their trailers…while the manufacturers laugh all the way to the bank at the consumers.
Anderson hitch is around 60lbs i think , My Ram 1500 has 2,380 payload and 7,780 max towing so i could tow this fifth wheel but would i tow it , NO because 6900 dry is to close to my 7,780 max, My fifth wheel is 5800 dry and 1,180 hitch and I tow it well with the Anderson.
@@BigTruckBigRV quad cab 2 wheel drive i6 hurricane motor . sorry it's 2,320 payload .I had the turnover ball hitch put in at a shop .The shop also changed out my bump stops .
@@BigTruckBigRV My 2020 Ram 1500 is 4x4 with 5.7 hemi but the payload on it is 1,715 lbs and I think the max tow is 6500 . go figure that one lol .I have been buying new Rams since 1997 and I buy a new one every 3 years on my birthday but at 63 these 2 ,I have now will probably be my last .I only bumper pull with it .
Why dont they put shock absorbers as standard equipment it makes a world of difference like night and day. I've put shocks on ever coach I have owned and it makes a rediculous amount towing difference,
Yes!!! Nightstands in the bedroom!!! Can't stand RV manufacturers who forget that some people want a place to set a bottle of water, a cell phone and maybe have a clock next to the bed! Perfect layout and excellent use of space, especially for a solo traveler.
Great looking unit! Love the structural features. I would hope/think that theatre seating could be an option.
Can you get to the bathroom with the slide in?
I'm old and disabled, so an ottoman would not work for me. Now, my husband may like that idea in itself. Lol
We would probably prefer theater seats or recliners of some kind. Even with out grand kids we would probably use sleeping bags on the floor, for them, in a unit such as this.
Thanks again, JD, for another great RV video.
The chair and desk table was my number one like! Leave the chairs. Add a combo washer in the closet and you have the perfect set up.
I suppose this could be towed with a 1/2-ton pick-up truck but you probably won't enjoy the experience. Just because you can tow something doesn't mean you should. Maybe you can tow it, but can you stop it? The pin weight for this rig will be around 2000 lbs, definitely in the 3/4-ton range. I would say this is definitely a perfect 3/4-ton 250 Super Duty/2500 HD pickup truck rig payload wise.
I like the unit for all of the standard features. With the slider closed it looks like there is no lavatory access. Refer access and lavatory access is important when traveling. Rest stop areas don’t often accommodate using slide outs.
I actually like this layout very much. A suggestion that maybe you can share with the Coachmen people - the attached desk table concept is one of the best ideas i've seen. maybe take it one step further - make it 6 inches wider (there is room), keep the same length , do not attach it to the wall - have 4 very sturdy legs. this way you can put a bench seat along the wall pull the table away and have 2 chairs on the inside aspect of the table and be able to seat 4 nicely. Put it back up against the wall as a desk when the extra seating is not needed ? this way the bench seat is under the table(of course it can have storage inside) when not needed and you have a little more flexibility for seating a couple extra people. or have 2 folding chairs and no bench but still have the ability to pull it out to play cards, boardgames, etc and accomodate for up to 4 people. As a bigger person, i have found the dinettes/fixed tables/benches to be very unkind and very uncomfortable in the majority of RVs. There is certainly plenty of room in the center of that living space to easily pull that out a couple of fee when needed. There is a huge center area of the room that is wide open.
I have never thought much of the Coachman brand. Wow, they have REALLY upped their game. I'm pleased to see what they have done with this model. I love the desk bar area. I would keep the backed chairs just like they have provided. I don't need an ottoman to trip over.
I appreciate that you stress the safety but something like this is designed for the people that don’t want a big 3/4 ton truck. I understand not all 1/2 ton trucks can handle this but if you get one that has the capacity for the trailer and things you bring with you then little things can improve the ride. You can do things like the road active suspension system or airbags to stiffen the rear end when you’re towing. Also swapping to something like the Reese goose box (I understand you would have to have at least the 6.5’ bed for this option) or an Anderson hitch will help in the sense that it will be lighter than a traditional fifth wheel hitch. Again I appreciate the fact that you care about safety but this attitude that a 1/2 ton truck is useless for towing is ridiculous. They have capacities for a reason. I will agree you shouldn’t max out the capacity of your truck with little experience towing. And that it shouldn’t be an every weekend kinda thing but for most people that take the trailer out once every few months but want a comfortable and a more nimble truck on a daily basis then a properly equipped 1/2 ton with a few additional items will do just fine.
Outside of the weight, where the pin is positioned as far as control and sway goes the fifth wheel tows better than a bumper tow.
Where manufacturers really mess up on half tons is rating them at 35psi on a P tire.
I appreciate the safety aspect as someone who made the weight mistakes and had to upgrade later. I do agree 100% on IF your truck has the capacity you could tow it, but the majority of half tons would not have the payload for this. Only 1 configuration I could find could when fully loaded and it was the HD payload package. You pretty much have to order these to get them so anyone who has one knew what to ask for when purchasing. This means he covers 95% or more of cases fairly well. The problem is most people don't know and listen to an rv dealer who tells them "it will pull it just fine", when in fact it shouldn't. Then they have stability problems and its too late and you either need a smaller trailer or a bigger truck and neither is a cheap option.
A 3/4 ton truck is not any longer than a half ton with a 6.5ft bed option, so is it a bigger truck if the wheelbase width bedsize and the cab are the exact same?
@@newenglandrvadventures I agree but if you plan to tow heavy tires are a simple upgrade
@@dandurig8181 the 3/4 trucks are a little longer. For example on Chevy the 1500 crew cab with standard bed is 241.41” overall length. The 2500 crew cab with standard bed is 250.04”. The standard bed is Chevys 6.5’ bed (it’s a tad longer on the 2500) while I’ll agree 9” isn’t a lot for some people it could mean the difference of it fitting in your garage or not. Personally I don’t park my vehicles in a garage but some do and others may have to based on hoa rules or city ordinances. The biggest difference in a 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton is maneuverability. The 1/2 tons have a much better turning radius. Plus if you drive your truck daily and only tow 2 or 3 times a year you may want the better ride on a daily basis.
As far as finding a truck to handle this trailer I did a quick search at a dealership local to me. They have a 23 custom trail boss with the 5.3. The label gm puts in the door jam states that specific truck has a payload of 1,817 lbs a gooseneck tow rating of 8,600 lbs and a gooseneck tongue weight capacity of 1,305 lbs. the only issue with this specific truck is the gooseneck tow capacity is 300 lbs under the gvwr of this specific trailer. The simple solution to that is not to load the trailer to gvwr. (Even if you did it would probably be fine since the conventional rating is 9,300 lbs)
All that being said. I would personally be comfortable using that truck to pull this camper a few times per year. I grew up around them and have a lot of experience towing. I also have the common sense to take it a little easier since I’m pretty well maxed out. That doesn’t mean I completely disagree with JD. I think if you are the type that tows every other weekend or even once a month then a more equipped truck would be a good idea. I also think a bigger truck would be a good idea if you lack the experience towing and the common sense to take it easy.
My argument is that you shouldn’t completely write off a 1/2 ton for towing bigger trailers.
Modifying your suspension by adding air bags, Timbren springs, etc. doesn’t change the rated payload capacity, towing capacity, or GCWR of the given truck.
Glad you talked about truck payload limitations.
Love your idea of a long ottoman I'm going to raise you one on that. Why not put slide up rails on each end one long side of the Ottoman and be able to raise a wooden back up if you wanted and slide it down when you don't or are storing it. Could be a patented idea. Just make sure that the rails dip down a little bit below the ottoman so when you use it to put your feet up you're not hitting the top of the wood seatback. My other thought was the table should be moveable in case you want to move it over and use it as a prep area. Just takes a lift up clip
To reinstall or remove. Also, if you have people on the couch and people on the ottoman with table in between you've added some people room for dinner. There you go...
Lovely little unit and I like the idea of the long ottoman or even two shorter ones that could store things like cozy blankets for the couch. And it was great seeing Dave again. He is such a likable guy.
I looked a few more of the new short/sweet shorter models. Can't tell if the bathroom/bedroom is available with the slide in. Would you please address this important matter?
Loving this unit a lot especially the dedicated work area with windows on the camp side!! One thing I would love to see would be a floating or swivel table for the couch so you can sit there watch tv or view the great outside even work also eat and not have to be at the desk area. Would be nice to see the incorporation of the max bed storage feature like used on their northern spirit trailers. The drawers are nice now but for a full timer like I’m hearing up to be that max bed storage is a major hit on my wish list for my next last unit. 😁💛. Ty for the amazing detailed information and great tour of a sweet ride!
Your video,s have taught me and others so much.
Thank You
Love the set up
Bathroom pocket door is awesome
Would like to see Theater seats or Recliners in the slide out
Window counter to 100 fold better than the Dinette
Great job, my Titan would pull that without issues
(I’ve done mods of course)
Such a cute little 5th-wheel! Even the TV has an articulated mount so it may be pulled down to a sub-neck wrecking level.
Yes, an ottoman/bench is a good idea. So would be an adjustable height folding table to put in front of the sofa if you want to sit there and eat your meals and watch TV. A nice RV and very cleverly laid out.
My guess is that waferboard bed will be bowed into the center before the end of season two, requiring bracing/ support. One nice thing about higher end models framed out in aluminum would likely not need reenforcement .
Shhh… they don’t want the buyers to know about the inferior construction. The wrapped countertops are another ridiculous “feature”. I’m wondering if they are fixing the frame issues.
Topic request! Please do a video about 5th wheel front shelf heights vs contemporary pickup bed rail heights. Our 2021 Chevy 2500 bed was much higher than the leveled height of the fifth wheel we bought. New 5th wheels rarely show this in specs. This mismatch might necessitate suspension or tire mods for level towing (and balanced axle loading).
Nice unit, but a twin bed version should be offered. Manufacturers don't seem to realize that there is a market twin bed couples units. A lot of couples travel (not camp) so being able to bring a lot of stuff is not a big priority. We need more cooking space in the kitchen more elbow room in the bath, theatre seating and twin beds without having to pay 200k (look at airstream). And thank you for reinforcing the fact that there are no such thing as a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel.
That's an awesome trailer!
I’m really impressed with this model! Would really like to know the MSRP.
I used my 2016 F150 to tow my 2017 Jayco Eagle HT 265BHS(33ft sleeps 10). Dry weight of 7323lbs(8300lbs now), 1350lb dry pin weight(1700lbs now). It has CRE 3000 from the factory, i double tow with a very light tandem utility trailer(bikes, real bbq, 55gal water drums, kayaks,etc). I have pulled with a 1999 powerstorke, 2016 F150, 2019 F350, 2020 F250 HCTTP(GVWR downrated F350) and now with my 2022 F150 HDPP. Downfall with the 2022 is the payload. This truck makes camping a two vehicle trip because we need 7 seats.
JD this unit is head to head with the brand new floor plan 2024 Keystone Cougar 260MLE, but as you know, is the hide a table!
Everyone’s doing a short light fifth wheel for 2024. It’s awesome!
Northwood Fox Mountain 23 has been on the market for years and they build their own frames.
I would hope/think that theatre seating could be an option. Love the unit!!!
I think you should spend longer inside going thru & showing all the storage. Maybe kinda like Myles rv does. Like Both sides of closet or is there anything behind the door like more rod space. The couch is it a recliner or just a trifold or a pull out or jackknife *please note this is my w Personal opinion not trying to tell you how to do your job or anything lol
Question for you, I was told in a different RUclipsr’s video that fifth wheels never come with booth dinettes. Is that true? This is a pretty nice unit, I like the darker colored sofa. This is definitely a couple’s camper. Not much room to be for a family. Thanks for sharing JD!
I Like it basic 3/4 ton tow-able has all the good stuff I would like to see other floor plans for this unit.
I think if we could switch the sleeper sofa for a pair of rocking recliners my husband might finally give in!
Nice layout for a low-quality disposable RV, I would own that.
Thanks for the information. Been watching you for years. Finally was able to upgrade to a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel with an 8ft bd. It's only a SRW, but a great work truck. Your video content has been invaluable in the selection process. Now I'm looking for an RV that I can comfortably tow and is 4 season rated. For now, it would be recreational use, but could potentially be for full time living while working in the northern states. Thanks again.
Watched with interest until it became clear that bathroom is not accessible over the road. Absolute show stopper.. too bad.
I like 👍 this 5th wheel I really like the floor plan and the size 27' 28' I would like to see one with a little bit of off road capability for going on gravel roads to some of the high lakes to do bet of fishing 😂 really like this one
I would give up that dresser for w/d prep in the closet!
Can you get this model with a theater seat? The question might have been answered already, but i missed it. We are a fan of your channel and enjoy your reviews.
This is definitely half ton towable with a FEW trucks (only full-sized obviously). We have a 2022 Tundra SR5 with 12,000 lb. towing capacity, and 1900 lb. payload capacity. If loaded smartly, it could definitely handle it. It'd be tight, but it could do it.
There are not, “a lot of half ton trucks with a cargo weight of 1800 “! Please don’t make these kind of statements with out going to a truck dealer lot and check the stickers on on the door frames. You will soon see that the average cargo capacity on 90% of the 1/2 tons trucks is 1300 lbs. Also unless you put sand bags in your trailer you will not get 1800lbs of cargo in it! That couch is really ugly. Take it out and put in two recliners with a better matching color. Was there any solar on the roof? Moving on!
It is kind of strange, thinking years back a 5th wheel of 30 feet and above was considered large, then came those 33 feet and more. Suddenly the RV World goes back to below 30 feet. We had a friend that had years back I think it was 24 or 25 foot long 5th wheel and that was about the norm then. With that said, this layout is very doable and roomy.
Wow that’s nice
I like this unit. They did a great job with the space they had to work with. I’d buy this unit, but of course, it depends on the price. Although it’s a nice unit for those that want a smaller 5th wheel and/or want something to tow easily behind a 3/4 ton, if the price isn’t competitive, it defeats the purpose. I really don’t have any complaints about this unit, other than the fact that I would rather see the bedroom drawers to be finished iff with drawer fronts. It looks unfinished to me.
If it had a option for a wash/dryer I would buy this tomorrow.
JD been watching you for years anyway I need your take on the coachman version of the Tiffin Midas and what do you think is better for your money but more importantly my wife now has taken a fall last Christmas and is still on a cane and a walker I think I would like to see more somewhat pre-handicapped mobility things like, maybe a ramp to go up into the fifth wheel, or some type of running board to go up to the upstairs portion. Do you think that coachman or any of the others can come up with a universal sort of add-on for people with mobility issues.
build a keyboard riser to sit on the table and the 35" TV becomes an excellent standing workstation.
I would feel significantly better towing this with a 1/2 ton then that TT weighing 2k mores mainly because of fifth wheel physics. Significantly safer IMO, but you do you.
Luv it !
Hi. I like this but it needs two recliners and a fireplace.
What would you need an ottoman for when you have a recliner? I’ll stick with the chairs. Overall, great design for couples. How’s the floor plan look with a king size bed?
I really like short 5th wheels. I've looked at them at RV shows. My issue is that "light" is often accomplished by being flimsy. I'd rather have more weight than flimsy frames, suspensions, toilets, doors, faucets.
I like it also put in a washer and dryer to I will buy it
Not sure I see the point ,7000 lbs no more living space than a jayco 25rb that's 5800 and is definitely half ton towable,if one must have a 5th wheel I guess..
Now that's a 5vr I'd tow with my 6.2 gas F350. Would even be comfortable with another 1500lbs if it were longer or had bunks.
I would say it’s not how 5th wheels are built but how they tow. That hitch weight is over the rear axel rather than hanging off the back of the truck.
This is absolutely half ton towable with some of the newer 1/2 tons. If you were towing all the time you would probably be more comfortable towing with a 3/4 ton. But, towing occasionally? 100% half ton towable. Set it up correctly, drive safely, you're just fine.
You had me sold until I saw the OSB board under the bed , tells me the floor is too .
JD could that one be made without the step ups on each side of bed? We are both with disabilities and don’t want to worry about tripping in the night.
Nice table has room for a leaf or way to extend table would be nice
Very nice
bathroom roadside access?
Theater seats need to be an option.
Once again, weight is not the only consideration, length is also very important.
Variable speed true DC heat pump offered for the second HVAC in bedroom? A few BTU less, but huge efficiency boost, and boon dock capable with expanded solar and batteries. Really would want to see both HVAC use same tech.
there’s just thing I don’t understand, why would put the stove all the way up against the wall right next to the slide?
Best spot for it. Sinks in the middle, and makes no sense to put it by the entrance.
I believe coachman is basically the same trailer as a Rockwood..?
We tow our 1/2 ton towable with a 3/4 ton truck. Tried a 1/2 ton truck and just didn’t feel right.
I so wish I had waited to replace my 2006 Chaparral 247RKS with something like this.
Hi rock what I really liked it for what it was
Was that a plastic bathroom sink ?
The only truck this pairs well with is a ram 2500 with a cummins as those only have like 1800-2000lbs payload due to the coils on the rear
Mr. BTBRV, I have listened to you on your reservations concerning using 1/2 ton trucks for hauling 5th wheels. I have a 2024 Chevy 4x4 5.3 engine GVWR 7100, Empty 5345, payload 1755, GCWR 15,000. Am I capable to Safely pull this 5th wheel. If not, is there one made that you can steer me toward? Thanks for any help.
Can the bathroom be accessible with the slide closed?
Can you get to the bathroom and bedroom if slide cannot be opened?
My biggest complaint: the tanks are way too small in that rig. My 2511’Rockwood travel trailer has larger tanks.
A small 5th wheel would give the ability to tow my boat behind it. Something to think about.
@mikeshuck2760 would not recommend that 1st of all it could cause more uneven weight behind your truck 2nd of all your tow vehicle may not be designed to handle that much weight 3rd the question becomes can you control everything under harsh conditions like heavy wind,heavy rain, lots and lots of heavy traffic something to think about
I may have seaid this before but I would only use a 3500 truck for towing a rv trailer big or small its better to have to much truck then not enough
Need to find a large BH (me 3 kids/dog). Fulltime living. But my truck for the mean time is a 2012 F150 5.0L 4X4 XTR 3.73 ratio 6.5" bed (max tow/cap packages). I am unsure what it could handle. Most likely be only towing trailer to local campground/sites short distance without kids in truck
Your truck specs should be on the door jamb. Take the max cargo/ tow ratings and multiply by 75% to get safe & sane tow amounts. You don’t buy a tow vehicle for “short distance “. The same problems exist on the road whether it is a local or long trip. Doesn’t matter if someone pulls out in front of you 1 mile or 1000 miles from home, still have to stop that RV. Please, please, please don’t believe the “Half Ton” towable crap promoted by RV manufacturers or the salesmen. Also, make sure you are using loaded RV weights, not the empty values RV salesmen seem to give.
Need to see road mode and what is/isn’t accessible.
Give us a bunk house in this foot print....
Love the layout but it don’t have a washer/dryer option
I wish one company would make one of these small lightweight 5th wheels without a slide.
Yup. Every slide is just tempting rain to get in. Once it does, it's over.
Escape trailers made in Canada have a 22 foot fifth wheel all fiberglass very nice
I HAVE AN F350 DIESEL LONG BED WHAT LENGTH AND POUNDAGE IS SAFE FOR ME TO BUY AND TOW PLEASE
I would never tow a 5th wheel with a half ton. Way too much pressure on the suspension, and way too much weight to stop properly in an emergency.
You’d have to lower the table to put a foot rest level ottoman when you’re in those couches.
Ottoman idea is great
nice
It’s hard to find a critique? C’mon, JD. You’re losing credibility very quickly given your relationship with Coachmen. How about we start with carpet in the bedroom? This is 2024 and they’re still using “carpet”? …and they’re still using plastic sinks in the bathroom? C’mon, JD. C’mon, brother.
Sounds like a personal preference and not necessarily something wrong with the trailer
@@ANathan123 I disagree. Completely. Manufacturers use carpet because it’s cheap. This is a statement on the overall quality of the rigs that they are building.
If you’re into cheap, then sure. I guess that’s a personal preference.
The reason for the plastic sinks is to help keep it under the weight limit.
@@Carol-D.1324 I disagree. The reason they use plastic sinks is because it’s cheap….like their trailers…while the manufacturers laugh all the way to the bank at the consumers.
I agree that criticism have turned to partnerships, but what's your beef with a plastic sink? They are strong, light, cheap, and universal
Frameless Windows would Top it off
How much is this unit I missed it
Would a Nissan Titan XD work?
Needs a washer dryer option,
is this the same guy from bish rv?
No
Anderson hitch is around 60lbs i think , My Ram 1500 has 2,380 payload and 7,780 max towing so i could tow this fifth wheel but would i tow it , NO because 6900 dry is to close to my 7,780 max, My fifth wheel is 5800 dry and 1,180 hitch and I tow it well with the Anderson.
Hello, what RAM 1500 do you have that has 2,380lbs of payload? Is it a crewcab 4x4?
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quad cab 2 wheel drive i6 hurricane motor . sorry it's 2,320 payload .I had the turnover ball hitch put in at a shop .The shop also changed out my bump stops .
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My 2020 Ram 1500 is 4x4 with 5.7 hemi but the payload on it is 1,715 lbs and I think the max tow is 6500 . go figure that one lol .I have been buying new Rams since
1997 and I buy a new one every 3 years on my birthday but at 63 these 2 ,I have now will probably be my last .I only bumper pull with it .
Why dont they put shock absorbers as standard equipment it makes a world of difference like night and day. I've put shocks on ever coach I have owned and it makes a rediculous amount towing difference,
What are you talking about? This is definitely half ton towable, dude
Is it me, or does David look like JJ Abrams?
Does anyone make the suspension upgrade for my 27RB Coachman bumper pull with the spread axles?
Ceiling height in the upper deck?
No washer/ dryer area