'Jazz? Pfft. They just make it up as they go along' | WHY PEOPLE HATE JAZZ
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I love the Classical because of its noble structure. I love Jazz because of its noble amophis unpredictability. Both leave me in awe for different reasons.
I once played at the Jazz FM bar in Liverpool in the 90s with a heavily Bill Frisell influenced trio. It was really fun, improvisational but also emotional music. The guitarist wrote some really good tunes.
After our first set, the manager came over, payed us and then said "pack up, your too jazzy". Haha.
Love it! In the '90s, I played in a Free Funk-Jazz(?) band. We had an owner, mid-1st set, hand a note to the vocalist:
"Finish this song & get off the f***ing stage. You guys sound like you need to be in the garage". 🙂
I’m holding you to it that there will be an “Oranges of Jazz” viddy
My favorite jazz period was approx early 50's to mid 70's; the earlier recordings than around the
mid 50's unfortunately suffer sonically from technology limitations.
The plugged-in RocK Fusion era was the genre's last major development before its stagnation (of sorts) in the 80s and beyond.
Jazz is like a language of harmony structures, styles and ‘feels’. If you don’t know it, it subjectively sounds a random mess
@@TheGoodgravy1 there is some jazz around that's newer, you know, within the last few decades, that doesn't sound so bad if you like the old stuff like I do but it's not as easy to find I guess because it's not the mainstream kind of thing, and it doesn't really offer up anything new, other than recording technology and the musicians.
@@Anthony23041953 Well you know you can almost say that about any genre of music lol
Jazz and Classical are probably least understood by the listener, compared to the "easier" stuff, which can anyways still be quite enjoyable sometimes, in spite of its "easy." Enjoyment and complexity do not correlate for me. Some people can only relate to catchy, danceable, or simple lyrical theme relatable, which is not
my priority, but I do understand the sentiment.
Jonathan Stout, the great swing jazz guitarist, makes the observation that, historically, there can be considered two types of jazz: Jazz with a capital J and jazz with a small j. My understanding of this is that Jazz with a capital J is improvisational art for listening exalted by beatniks, musicians, music teachers and their students, whereas jazz with a lower case j was/is popular dance music (that swings) that most people don't hate.
Art vs Entertainment
The last ten minutes... comedy gold .
That was a masterful key change, Andy, going from the like button to “lovely love”. Thumbs up.
The eternal background music for death's waiting room.
If you get a gig in a care home, try and have a sing-a-long
-wot kind of paintings do you do?
-Abstract painting.
-Pah, a kiddie could do that stuff!
-Well give them some paints and a canvas and let them loose!
Not the best analogy because not many kids can grab a sax and blow some blue notes, but the principle holds (hopefully) lol
Excellent video Andy ! Love it !
People hate Jazz because with Jazz they get more than they asked for.
@@MrLcowles That shows me that you don't know much about Jazz, the fact that it is improvised is the key. You can not rank composition against improvisation.
@@MrLcowles You can make ANY claim, stupid or wise, you choose the first. I am a Jazz musician, I tell you you are wrong, I know you don't want to hear it, I know you will not care. I know you are an idiot and I know, I don't want to waste my time with idiots.
comparing classical with jazz is as stupid as comparing a novel with an improvised poem
its just a different art form, i don't understand why people cant enjoy both
@@xwize Agreed and I like both too.
Bach improvised. Unfortunately, recording technology didn't exist back then, so we cannot listen to his improvised performances.
Ellington: "Rock and roll is the most raucous form of jazz..."
Albert Murray’s Stomping the Blues is a great read on the blues aesthetic
The observation of the sort of yin-yang relationship between Louis Armstrong and Al Jolson was a new idea to me. That alone was worth the time it took to watch this video. Thank you.
39:46 Oh yes - that's it in a nutshell
Amazing video Andy. The clarity and sheer amount of juicy info in this video is so rich I think I might get gout from watching it.
Keep on keeping on you ledge dude, Love you man. x
I love it that I can listen to you as I clear my shed.Thanks
"Jazz is only ever any good when nobody likes it!" 😂 Thanks Andy.
Well done, sir. Loved the 20th-century retrospective, very educational.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What a great video! Please do more videos about jazz and create a space for us jazzheads. Bless you, Andy!
Here I am having my Sunday morning brekky and I flick on RUclips and there you are live! Of course I have to watch right then and there rather than watching the repeat later. And of course I feel the urge to reply to show my own erudition and solicit some love for myself. The epilogue, that's what I'll call the tangent at the end, was hilarious. There might be a bigger market for comedy about free jazz than for free jazz itself. A funny old world. But it did interrupt my breakfast.
Great analysis, Andy!
Thank you kindly!
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I don't. Jazz is so obscure that nobody really hears it. If more people actually took the time to sit down & listen, a lot of people would probably like it.
B7-E7-A7-D7-G7-C7-F7-Bb7-Eb7-Ab7-Db7-Gb7-Cb7
Repeat and add upper extensions.
I think many people dislike an inordinate amount of harmonic tension in their music. The music needs to resolve or it all becomes a big question mark. Going around the circle with dominant chords frays nerves.
I appreciate your work, Andy. I want you to know it!
I appreciate that!
I wish a video like yours existed years ago when I was first doing my videos on music. Largely because the last time I watched a video that covered the same subject, the guy focused solely on guitarists and rock. You not only talk about the history leading up to the creation of rock, you also left out no detail. Thank you for this. Answered so many questions of the history of music that I had.
Great vid. Really interesting
Glad you think so!
I love Anthony Braxton, don't understand it, but it sounds good to me. I met him once in London, he wanted to talk about Hammer Horror films and if I knew where he could see some. This was the '80s so Hammer films were quite out of fashion, like jazz. "Forces In Motion" by Graham Lock is a wonderful book about Braxton and the meta-reality of creative music.
One of the funniest endings ever! Yes, perhaps the best among the million Braxton-based comedy routines.
My new favorite video.
There are only two types of music: Music that I like, and music that I don't yet care for.
Proud to say that the Newport Jazz Festival has sold out all three days this August.
Yes, and a lot of it is not likely to be jazz.
A spoonful of sugar...
10 minutes in this is great dude thx!
Homer the savant. Great thumbnail.
Great analysis of jazz, and where we are today,, just make music that’s honest to you , and excites your soul-phuggg all the labels, and descriptions !!!!!!!!!
Great video Andy. I'm fascinated by the cycle of how reactionary elite forces in a culture tend to absorb and invert the radical forces. An old bishop of Durham had a great line about it in the Church - "Everywhere Paul went, there were riots. Everywhere I go, people want to have tea with me."
Ted Gioia has some great stuff about it in a musical context. He's been doing the rounds with YT interviews, might be worth seeing if there's any chance you could get him on.
Suprise me,move me,touch me,so rich,no boundaries,feel it. If you don’t love it no problem!
Some jazz is just too intricate for the simple minds. Some of the people that don't like jazz might like "smooth" jazz, you know something that sounds more like disco. 😂😂
I'm old enough to remember DOWNBEAT magazine panning anything "Jazz" with (especially) electric bass. They just called it Disco. 😊
Another artist who could be argued was one of the first popular artists in the world of the fledgling music business of the 1920s and early 30s was Jimmie Rodgers. There's zero debate whatsoever about his influence on Country and Western music of the United States, but Rodgers blended elements of the blues and Dixieland jazz with the string music of the British isles and the "umpah" music of the German immigrants only to slather a veneer of yodeling from the Swiss Alps on top of all of that. Jimmie Rodgers was Howling Wolf's favorite singer when he was a kid. And was also Hank Williams favorite singer. And Jimmie Rodgers cut a record with Louis Armstrong in 1930 which as far as I know was the first interracial musical collaboration to be commercially released into the segregated America of that time. But I agree with all you have said here about Armstrong. Just thought I'd share an Americana perspective on the whole thing.
Great analysis. Enjoyable to listen to
Glad you enjoyed it!
You're absolutely right in your assessment of jazz audiences today. Jazz isn't considered the rebellious and wild music it was in the early 20th century. I would venture to say that in those days jazz was kind of a punk genre in comparison to the big bands and what we would call more mainstream tastes. And today jazz enthusiasts are elitist nerds, simply put. I still hold on to the rebellious nature of what jazz offers. I'm no extreme jazz geek, but I love jazz. Music audiences today are formed by producing music that's aimed at the lowest common denominator and what is deemed cool and what is considered cool these days is what is plastered all over media, following a predictable trend.
44:06 Some really good players out there Andy...
I only hear the keyboard player sitting on the keys, bass above the twelveth fret, and a drummer noodling.
If that is all you hear you may need to stick with rock...it's much simpler
Duke Ellington made that statement about music!
The best gig I ever saw was Holdsworth in Brisbane Aus around 94 with Wackerman on drums. Sublime gig. Only 150 people or so. Alan sat at the bar and was so down to earth and friendly. Amazing human and musician. My only issue with his recordings is that they were so wet and compartmentalised sounding but live the band was so warm. I only wish they were mixed true to the live sound of the band. Hard, I know, but...
I used to try to get my mother, who grew up playing Bach and Mozart on the grand piano she got for her 10th birthday, to appreciate Thelonious Monk and Keith Jarrett. She simply said, "I don't like music that doesn't go anywhere." I understood then, she just wasn't built for jazz.
I feel the same. I can enjoy jazz for the foot tapping groove or the occasional atmosphere out of it but it's not worth my time in careful listening. I love Brahms and Bruckner.
John Lennon had the exact same view of jazz: "It doesn't go anywhere." I have never understood that. If someone doesn't like the improvisation, there is still the body of the song to enjoy.
@@Leo_ofRedKeepi have often thought this about a lot of classical. Where is the groove?
@@edwardyazinski3858 There is none. It's not about shaking butts.
@@Leo_ofRedKeep i didn’t say all. You can have movement, and pace, without shaking ass. And obviously an Adagio will be necessarily somber, quiet, and slow.
From Quora: "Bop players were more interested in impressing themselves rather than pleasing an audience. Bop found fans, but not a commercial audience. The music was not danceable".
It's difficult being an instrumental jazz musician. Often people will say to me, "I don't like jazz but I like your group". Strange since we are playing "jazz".
People are more drawn to music with vocals. Club owner once told me, "I can book the best musicians in the city but without vocals people won't stay".
I too find it strange jazz is locked away in academic institutions and elite gatherings. There are still places to gather and experience "real" jazz.
There are new artists redefining jazz today but we need more groups like Snarky Puppy and Lettuce.
As with so many things in life, I’m with Homer on this one. I remember the day he summed it all up - To jazz! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems. Or was it - Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
Another thought provoking discussion! Really great content. Don’t you think part of the reason people hate jazz is simply because they can’t relate to instrumental music? If there aren’t any lyrics, it’s not “real” music.
Andy; you saved the best part for the very end with the "Anthony Braxton comedy routine"...LOL. It triggered a memory of a friend of mine who often used to say, when discussing Braxton: "Oh Anthony, you're so weird"...but he was a fan nonetheless.
Even though I'm a big jazz fan (as well as many other genres), I certainly understand those that don't like it, I don't judge. However if someone is just a little bit "jazz-curious", I will try to play them something that is joyful, exciting and undeniably swinging-something that will generate smiles, not furrowed brows. Back in my youth (I'm about to turn 70), I turned several people onto jazz by playing Sonny Rollins' "Saxophone Colossus". The whole album is magnificent of course, but Rollins' joyful improvised solo on the catchy calypso tune "St. Thomas" makes complete sense to anyone that hears it, regardless of any sort of musical "knowledge" anyone may or may not have; there is a beginning, middle and conclusion to the solo. Max Roach's drum parts on the album are equally exuberant. All the same things can be said about "Strode Rode", it's probably my favorite tune on the record.
Looking forward to a video about Anthony Braxton
1:06 Have you thought about getting a rocking chair...?
My wife rocks back & forth...she sez it burns off anxiety & energy.
I think it looks crazy. 😊
Andy being from England I was wondering have you covered Gogo Penguin (whom I like a lot) or the new UK jazz scene? Because I’m getting into jazz via a very strong influence of the contemporary jazz scene.
I love GoGo Penguin (I am from Manchester so they're a local band), they even played at a friend of mine's 50th birthday party! Their music has also been described as influenced by classical music, and electronic music (not just jazz), although jazz is a mixture of all sorts anyway. Bests to you buddy ;)
@@paulcowham2095 Yeah the criticism is that they're not really jazz but I credit them as one of my gateways into listening to jazz. I also love Domi and JD Beck and Alfa Mist.
@@TheHappeeSinnick thanks for your reply, I don't think that "they're not really jazz" is a valid criticism of any music or band. What does the band sound like, does it excite, move or interest you, does it have "quality"? The best of jazz, or any other genre satisfy these criteria. Anyhow HappeeSinnick, great to see that someone outside of the Uk digs GoGo Penguin. I love this film of them, and I'll check out the other bands you mention too. bests Paul ruclips.net/video/47XlUL6sRow/видео.html
@@TheHappeeSinnick PS here is some more Manchester music, which crosses jazz, folk and classical ruclips.net/video/rSiAVRzfIlc/видео.html
Andy, as LIKE number 422, I'm not sure I'm ready for love yet. Let's take this slow.
The Anthony Braxton ranking is long overdue. Show the love Andy ;-)
Would never expect you or any human being to tackle the Braxton catalog😢
Thanks again Andy. Always love your take on music history and dig your tangents. I think one of the biggest problems with jazz appreciation is the overly reverential language that it's disciples attach to major figures like Coltrane and Parker. Cutting out terminology such as "genius" and "greatest of all time" might be a good place to start, because they are completely meaningless. They also sound dogmatic and as a result end up alienating people who might otherwise get into appreciating the actual music.
Oh yeah, what I meant to ask was, do all art forms have a price of admission? And does that price get higher as the art form moves further from its roots? Dickens's novels were serialised and were the mass entertainment of the day. Was he the Talor Swift of his time? Were critics looking down their noses disdainfully because he committed the sin of being popular? Of being more popular than them?
Now you can't get through high school (in an anglophone country at least) without studying a Dickens novel. But it's hard to read. Much harder than for the punters what bought the serials. It requires some effort and some education to understand and appreciate the art. It requires effort because it is distanced temporally and culturally from its roots. It might have ossified somewhat in the museum, but it will still reward someone who puts in the effort to appreciate it.
In 200 years, The Beatles will be like Gregorian chants today. There will be a tiny market amongst the intelligentsia who take the time to learn the language of the form.
So there's no point shouting into the void about elitism. It is the fate of all enduring art forms. Unless shouting into the void is its own art form, of course.
Anthony Braxton comedy routines? 🤔
Now THAT's right up my alley! 😂
Next time a little soft shoe while you're at it. (Snat!)⚡😎
(BTW, LOVED the extended soliloquy. ✨😊)
I remember Dizzy Gillespie from an interview talking about the time he was in a band with Coltrane saying that he they played so fast so nobody could copy them. let someone try to keep up with that I think was the attitude it was sort of punk
Just about to start the video. Often when people say to me they don't like jazz to me, they're often are getting at the fact they don't think it's melodic, which probably captures the sentiment people are getting at when they say it's just made up as they go along too.
It can be tough to get into jazz if you don't know where to start though, there were a few specific tunes that really got me into it though, Moanin' by Charlie Mingus, Manteca by Dizzie Gillespie, Moanin' (different track though!) off the Art Blakey and the Jazz Messengers album. Oh and Someday my prince will come too, that whole album!
You are my Taylor Swift.
I've genuinely been listening to Anthony Braxton this week after attempting to find the most experimental jazz on Amazon Music. I enjoyed what I heard.
I have made many attempts to get into Jazz.
Yes as a guitarist I am very familiar with most of the greats because many of my heroes referenced them as influences.
Holdsworth, Di Meola, Zappa, the ones most rock guys tend to mention.
It still is hard for me to get into the horn players(yes, I know they are the originals)
I also fell it is much better live and in person.
I believe it was cool to be a Jazz head when it was underground but as you mention it became a cork sniffer club.
And I hate those types in any art form.
But I think you have made good points in the past regarding Jazz as innovative and technical, as well risqué back in the day.
My favorite aspect is the challenging of creative norms and pushing the sonic limits.
“You can’t do that”!
“Watch me”!
And to actually pull it off, which I think is rare, is the pinnace of playing/ performing.
That is my attraction to Jazz.
Rule breaking.
trolling comments, may I suggest the album Milestones. Skip the first track and come back to that one. It can change any guitar soloist concept of groove. PS SUAPYG arf arf
I am (slowly and painfully) learning to appreciate jazz, but I doubt I will ever love it. People who love it seem to be hearing something I just can't.
Andy I am a fan of your content and channel, especially when you speak about music history and theory. I am not as sure in the way you are that the music loving portion of humans that hate or dislike jazz is because they view it as the sanctuary of elites or snobs . As a lover of jazz, I understand that the complexity of it and the attention and patience it takes to appreciate the form, is not something the general population that ardently listens to music cares to do. Other forms of popular music post 1955 give the masses something that is easier to digest and enjoy as a diversion from the difficulties of their everyday life, or speaks to them in a visceral way about whats most important to them. As an art form, Black or otherwise, jazz, post WWII, much like 16th through 19th century european classical music, does not generally fill that place for a great deal of the public. Just one man's opinion.
please do a vid on Pat Martino and guitar beboop
Guessing you knew this trivia already Anthony Braxton's kid is in bloody battles!
people like songs, jazz is music- the attention span and barrier to entry for basic entertainment (how to hear the parts- probably by learning some chops on an instrument) is more involved than pop/dance. Crowd pleasing happens on a phone speaker now. Jazz did better when big bands were in peoples faces.
"How come there's no words?!! Ew..."
Andy, I may be your only fan -who bought ‘the art ensemble of Chicago ‘ album from the mid ‘70s ,, and can honestly say -‘I for one, love ANTHONY BRAXTON’!!!!!!!![ but I am also a ‘outlier’…..lol.
The best jazz is the kind of jazz that me and Andy like, and no one else likes !! 😂😂
I'm actually serious for the most part...
People Love Jazz if it is in the Name only: Like „Montreux Jazz“.
Otherwise it it is a Minority Art.
It requires „Dancing in your Head“. (You can dance to it with your Body to, but without the Head it makes no Sense).
Most People want Music to „kill“ Thinking. They want Ecstasy, Trance, Relaxation, all Things that disengage the „Intellect“.
They believe that „Soul“ can only be lived by „Mindlessness“.
What to do about it:
Jazz shall stay open but do not bow to „Mindless Lazyness“. Make Jazz for those who like it and don‘t forbid the Haters to change their Mind, but do not change the Music for them or other Ignorants.
Figure Skaters do not Start to use Wakeboards to attract People who can‘t glide on small Blades.
Jazz shall not Bow.
I may be too stupid to understand Jazz, but I'm definitely not stupid enough to enjoy it...
Everything is politics but I still love a bit of Andy in my day.
Andy Max Roachs record is Freedom.Now Suite. Sonny Rollins is "Freedom Jazz suite " suite
Once and yet again listen to my album :Bandcamp.Jed Tulman.SunSpots live at Cal Arts. .yes it's old ( 1981).but I believe in it .
Electronic jazz is a thing now. I don’t think it’s just for the museum.
P.s.number 3- thetangent w/ Andy Tillitson , fabulous!!!!!![ …[a place in the queue]-awesome.
I learned a lesson years ago but I’m still not sure what it was, the experience being, I’m learning jazz drums in the 90s and John McLaughlins album with Elvin jones and Joey de Francesco comes out, I was excited and my grandmother was too as she said it her self, Jazz….!!???? Oh I just adore Jazz music…” minutes later she was grimacing at me and demanded that we change it because she’d rather listen to the horse race’s results on the radio!!! Incredible
Interesting and informative video. But I would like one on why people LOVE jazz. I like jazz. I often listen to it on my car radio from the local jazz station or college radio. But I hardly ever hear any that makes me think "I need to buy that album" or even "I need to hear that again". I don't feel the depth of emotion I can get from rock or classical, for example. Am I missing something? Do I need to be a musician to appreciate it? I listen to it because it's not boring to me, like so much other music on the radio.
OK, so I get the emotion from Billie Holiday singing a sad song, for example. Maybe I just need lyrics and a human voice to clue me into the emotion(?)
What about Nu jazz and acid jazz?
Their loss!
I also think that for many jazz is something you have to grow into. I listen to far more now than I ever did when I was younger, mainly because I grew tired of mainstream pop, where rap just sounds like jibber-jabber and I decided I never have to hear another lyric ever again (I am partial to a clever, sardonic lyric though). So yeah I’m old! And maybe that’s why jazz will never die because there’ll always be a new audience of old people to pick up the slack?
Love Mingus!
Very correct about the screaming aspect being a subliminal factor in people pigeonholing the origin of Jazz a particular way - I never quite thought about it like that either - but it must be the case. For me Gil Scott Heron kind of hits on it talkin about the drum on Ain't no new thing.
A more interesting question is why people who hate jazz, ie most people, love the idea of jazz. Honda have a car called Jazz. Go into Sainsbury's and you can buy jazz apples. Why do marketing people believe that the word "jazz" has appeal and can be used to sell things? It's bizarre considering how few people listen to jazz.
You jazz things up. Jazz is just another word for fancy, spicy and zesty in that context. The two Zs also have a a visual impact.
On the flip side though have you noticed the disdain for jazz in sitcoms (sans The Simpson whom obviously has a jazz fan amongst its creators).
@@TheHappeeSinnick Part of it is the association of Jazz with beard stroking. Folk music get's the same thing. The distain for Hipster indie is the more contemporary version. It's all about beards and the suspicion that it might involve book learning and stuff.
I have always wanted to like Jazz. Then I try listening to it. I'm impressed by the musical ability and I get why other people like it, but like shredding and solo violin playing it just is not for me. I prefer the things Jazz influenced.
"Too many notes" - Emperor Joseph II
...it takes work. Who wants that, right? I always urge my wife to enroll in a Music Appreciation course st the Community College. She just sez "...your music sounds like something out of an asylum". No thanks".
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Brilliant! I’ll never hear about Taylor Swift from now on without thinking of Anthony Braxton. That can only be a good thing.
People grow up on popular music, be it country, rock, oldies etc….things that are readily available on the radio and what their friends listen to. When people finally hear jazz, it sounds very strange and odd. I still love the Ventures, Beach Boys, The Beatles, but I can’t progress on my instrument by playing C Am F and G over and over again. So those bands don’t get listened as much any more. But my friends, or your local bands still play their favorites…and the people that come to hear them…are hit again with those same songs. It matters not of those bands stink to high hell…they play “those” songs!
I find that the elitism that infuses the world of jazz is not only offputting to the generic public. As a non-jazz musician who loves to listen to jazz, even the music.theory lingo seems to me designed to make it as difficult to break into and feel included in the jazz musician world. Tritone substitution. Upper structure triads. Guide tones, Reharmonization. Polychords. For someone starting out, it feels like learning to play jazz is as difficult as training to be a particle physicist. Its a club that's nearly impossible to join.
And yet, all of it was invented afterwards. Best players don't play theory, they play music.
My wife "It goes on too long."
I love Jazz when it's mellow and loungy ( Gerry Mulligan-city lights type of thing). I love Jazz when it's cool (grant green etc) or when it's funky( I'm a sucker for most jazz-funk ). When it gets frenetic and kind of unhinged I can't get into it. In my defence I've bought enough of it for decades and I'm still trying. When I was around 18 I wanted more culture so I asked the jazz dude in my local record shop what I should start with. He said kind of blue so I bought it. I didn't like it then and still don't. It starts off great and then goes wrong for me. I bought no more jazz for 15 years and then started discovering bits that I liked on compilations thusly opening the jazz door( you have to knock with a fancy time signature to get in). Some of my favourite jazz albums now weirdly are Miles Davis albums, sketches of Spain, in a silent way are probably my faves, but I still don't like kind of blue. I can tell it's great but I just don't enjoy it. But mostly I like jazz. I'm not on the jazz like Hannibal from the A-Team but I dig it. Miles sits in my collection in between Pino D'Angio and the Dead Kennedys which is possibly uncomfortable but hey.
I agree 100% Andy. I want groove, and prefer improvisation within the form .
I was never interested in lyrics in jazz. For me, it's about the creation of music.
There are very few musicians can can brilliantly improvise live on stage, however as talented as Stevie Winwood is, even he has struggled with this form of music, in my humble knowledge yes it was accomplished by Clare Torry, [Great gig in the sky] but there are very few performers who can do this, one notable exception was Hendrix, enter live at the Filmore East] with 'Machine Gun' on the second night, which was orgasmic, this is the only description I can make of this performance, it could have been on the first night, I just cannot remember, I like music structured, that is why I struggle with Jazz, so I agree with Homer, but what do I know?
Totally agree with your comments about the snobbery associated with jazz. This applies to other types of music. One of the reasons I didn't really like some artists as a teenager was some of my friends not accepting any criticism of their favorite artists.
I think the snobbery comes from insecurity in their choices and a desire to be not seen as part of the mainstream.
I think the best comment about the snobbery is Jazz Club on the Fast Show
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SO DO WE MAKE ART AND MUSIC FOR OURSELVES OR TO BE VALIDATED BY AN UNINFORMED PUBLIC THAT THEN WE WILL JUDGE OURSELVES BY?? WARDENCLIFFE TOWER ONE OF MY FAV ALBUMS! SPHERE OF INNOCENSE!! GREAT RANT ANDY HITTIN ON ALL CYLINDERS!!
Before watching this vid even.. I always tell people you have to go to it. It will not come to you.
I managed to infuriate some people I respect by making them listen to Debussy. Why they got mad? THEY COULDN'T HEAR A MELODY! Karelia suite by Sibelius worked fine though, some pretty robust folkish melodies there...
I think the problem with a lot of jazz is that, on first listen, it isn't memorable enough to entice the listener to take a second listen.
Kenny G?
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Jazz is music for the more curious ear. You need a brain to start with as its demanding but once you get it,no going back.