This Is So Much Better Than A Jet
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Both turboprop and jet aircraft have their own advantages and are suited for different purposes. However, there are several reasons why a turboprop aircraft, such as the TBM series, may be considered advantageous over a jet aircraft in certain situations:
Fuel Efficiency: Turboprop engines are more fuel-efficient at lower altitudes and speeds. They are designed to operate efficiently in the slower flight regime, making them ideal for shorter distances and regional travel. Turboprops consume less fuel compared to jets, resulting in lower operating costs.
Operating Costs: Due to their fuel efficiency and simpler engine design, turboprop aircraft generally have lower operating costs than jets. They require less maintenance, have longer intervals between overhauls, and their engines tend to last longer.
Shorter Runway Requirements: Turboprops have the ability to take off and land on shorter runways compared to jets. This feature allows access to a wider range of airports, including those with limited infrastructure, which expands the number of available destinations.
Versatility: Turboprops excel in operations to and from remote locations, such as smaller airports, airfields, or unpaved runways. Their rugged construction, combined with the ability to operate in a variety of weather conditions, makes them well-suited for utility missions, including medical evacuation, cargo transport, and surveillance.
Comfort and Cabin Space: Turboprops generally offer more spacious cabins with larger windows and quieter interiors compared to smaller jets. This can provide a more comfortable and enjoyable flying experience for passengers, especially on shorter journeys.
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This man is a wealth of knowledge. Gotta have him talk more often.
I agree, they are amazing birds. The insurance, maintenance and specifically engine rebuilds will shock you. They are far superior in many ways and demand the cash to support it.
I love to fly this in MSFS. It's my go to, after flying a Bonanza for many hours irl, this is the next step.
It'd be neat to hear his thoughts on comparing this to a meridian or jet prop conversion
Some misinformation on this. I'm sure that he has good intentions but he's off on several points. Firstly the cost of maintenance on the TBM are as much if not more some years than a Citation. Avex will provide you with projected numbers so give them a call. No doubt that fuel burn is over twice for a TP vs a VLJ however for that you get 2 engines instead of 1 and the added capability to go higher (41-43K) which does get you over weather and turbulence. I've never paid anywhere close to what he says the annual 61.58 is. My usual sim or even in plane training has never topped 10K. Without doubt the requirements to fly a jet are more rigorous than a TP and that may be a turnoff for many. You are expected to fly at pro pilot proficiency. Regarding HSI's or overhauls the numbers are not vague. For every engine including the TBM they are specified and thereby allow you to add that into your cost of ops. Short runways are one place that the TBM will win. Final line is the TBM is an awesome platform and the fact that it has continued to be a success story in sales attests to that fact. If you are honestly considering this or a VLJ like a Mustang your initial purchase price will likely be the same or frankly higher for an equivalent avionics equipped bird compared to a Citation with somewhere around 20% increase annually on cost of ops for the VLJ.
Love the TBM but curious did you consider a Pilatus PC-12, seems like the perfect compromise of cabin comfort of a jet and single turboprop efficiency
One might argue the PC 12 is underpowered. The TBM is a purpose built aircraft for part 91 ops.
@@mikewaterfield3599 You clearly have never flown a PC-12. It has more than enough power to get you places quickly and smoothly, and the avionics allow you to do so without an inordinate amount of effort.
@@hb1338 only 6 hours total, and never ever judge an aircraft on avionics.
I want to see more of this guy!
Thank you. A really informative video for existing pilots. Love you passion and ideas, very original.
Question. This man said that he got his initial training in a turbine aircraft. That's interesting! Can you do another interview with this man and have him discuss his flight training in more detail. I have about three friends who would be interested in this as well as knowing another person who might be interested in offering turboprop training. Would like to hear what he trained in and the costs as well as where he did his training. Thanks in advance!
Another video with good resources.
Well done!
I’m growing my current business with the goal of being able to start a charter business to afford a TBM. Right now I’m only at Beech Baron money. Got a bit to go yet.
I’m in love with this airplane.
I cant wait to own this plane
Great informative video. thanks
I flew C-12s and C-23s in the Army. Beta is awesome!!!!!!! That's a beautiful airplane you have there.
The TBM is an absolutely spectacular airplane. Better than many light jets and almost just as fast. Faster than some even.
Would like to see some examples. I cannot think of a single VLJ that is slower than a TBM especially when TAS at altitude which is almost always higher is factored in. The TBM does come close to at least being as fast as some VLJ's at equivalent altitudes but that really is not where you would chose to fly a VLJ
@@caseylenox9472: The TBM930 (340 knot cruise TAS) is faster than the Eclipse when cruising for max range (317 knots TAS) and is just as fast the Mustang C510 (340KTAS). It also climbs better than both at altitudes above FL250. It's also 30kts faster than the SF50 and has better range and can carry more weight than all 3.
I f**king love this guy! He convinced me, I NEED a turboprop!
I, for one, welcome your bold, proud move into straight out aircraft pawwwwwn. These things have long been one of my money-no-object dream planes.
4:54 Very informative!
Nice video and TBM are one of the fasted types, but they are a freewheel turbine (PT-6 family) and not as forgiving as a piston power plant or a shaft Alison turbine. PT-6 engine operation training is essential.
Thanks!
I really love this plane! It's still though so far out of reach for a lot of people. But, that's the way it is with high end propellers. 🤷🏾♂️
Really beautiful plane, but I am like the Fighter Jet Pilot I heard the testimony of.
While flying across the pond near Iceland, his 2 engine jet had an engine go out. He made the necessary adjustments and finished his flight to UK with second engine.
He said, Without a second engine I probably would not be here today. End of quote.
So IMHO, and getting ready to buy a plane, I will be buying 2 engines. Whether prop or jet.
But the TBM and PC12 are amazing and awesome planes.
Facts. Like the good book: Two is better than one.
Before you pull the trigger on that twin, take a look at the accident statistics and make a data-based decision. GA singles are actually more survivable after an engine failure than twins.
@@cessna177flyer3 That's arguably true for piston and TP twins but not for jets which is what his video is about
@@cessna177flyer3 Lack of pilot training and proficiency leads to twin engine accidents. The TBM an PC-12 are great aircraft but I’m not flying them at night night IFR or daytime low IFR. I want a second source to get me back to a runway if I lose one like I did in an MU2 because of a severe oil leak in the gearcase.
@@stevez6499 agree. Training and proficiency are key. No pilot thinks they are below average, which means 50% of us are wrong...
That is all good to hear, cause I love a turboprop,
Looking very nice.
Great video. What's the guys website? Didn't hear it mentioned in the video?
Great video. Can’t wait to get my license and when the times right I’ll be adding this to my roster. I didn’t even think about how pj’s might not be useable in at every airport. Bc I’m travelin baby so this is definitely much more convenient
But I still HAVE to get a Lear 24 tho🤤
I really like these planes
Please can we get a link for Greg’s lodge in Alaska?
Dream plane!! Building time in an a36.
Danke!
Please cover more on the fly lodge/fly-in community he talked about in a different video.
Does flying a TBM in Mircrosoft Flight Simulator help with the learning curve of fling a real one? (It is my go to plane in MSFS)
Beautiful machine. If you ever fly to Ireland, let me know, I want a spin 😅
When someone throws out a statement like this, I can’t sit back and be quiet. Not sure what jet you came from, but your numbers and philosophy are way off.
Recurrent training in a light jet may be around 8K, not 30K, and to go to school once a year is something you’d be expected to do in the TBM also, there is no money savings in training.
As a turbo prop, you are always flying in the mid twenty’s, right where the weather will be, with engine icing selected on, it really slows the climb, boots are not very efficient, especially considering TBM wants you to use the “auto” feature, with many thousands of hours in turboprops, I don’t believe in auto, a person needs to be a much better prepared to operate a TBM in all weather conditions. And then let’s talk about speed, you’ll see about 300 kts.
Compare all this to let’s say, a Citation M2, the M2 won’t overheat sitting in the warm up in Las Vegas in a hot day, like a TBM, the M2 and many other light jets actually have a cabin you can move around in, not the TBM, the jet will climb at a faster rate if climb to FL400 or 410, jet has a hot wing, the M2 has trailing link gear, impossible to make a bad landing.
Jet is much easier to manage than a TBM, turbo props are much more likely to be damaged by inexperienced pilots during a start. The clear winner for over all aspects is clearly a light jet. And don’t elude anyone, if you don’t go to school every year in the TBM, you won’t get insurance, period.
Very Nice Bro! Get Good People/Pilots!
Love it.
Can you provide contact info on this gentleman? I would like to reach out with questions about the TBM
Nice
Well, everything he says is true if you keep this airplane at an airport in the larger city. However, if you go out into the sticks, you can bye a strip of land, build a hanger and shop and a landing strip. Then find a good knowledgeable mechanic ( most will jump at the chance to get out of the city for a day or two or whatever it takes) you can get him all the tools pay him a good price and probably pay for everything with the money you save just by being out there . Plus, you’re away from prying eyes. Just in all the rental fees alone you save thousands and thousands. You just can’t believe how nice it is when you go out there. Have a nice little comfortable room to relax in maybe watch a ball game take a little nap . Have a nice clean shop and a nice hanger and save money by doing it.
I do feel this video starts in the middle. Is it part two?
What is the rate of climb with one engine out?
Minus 1400 ft/min. Good news: You will get the same rate during night or in low min cond.
Mojo, are you going to get a TBM?
I will never top how cool it is that the navy put me in the T6 (which i guess you can think of as similar to this aircraft we had 1200shp turbo prop) to learn to fly with all of 10hrs in a cessna as experience . We solo’d the T6 in like 8ish flights 😂.
You think being a military stooge is cool because they bribed you by letting you fly a T6? Lool . . .
@@TRPGpilot this is a really poor attempt at trolling 😂
@@rmcc655 The joke is on you . . .
@@TRPGpilot thats it??? 😂😭💀💀💀💀
@@rmcc655 Correction: "Is that it?" . . .
I've never had the pleasure of flying a TBM, but if it flies as good as it looks, it must be great. However, I'm still a jet snob. You can't beat M0.83 at 41,000 ft. Actually, I take that back if you're flying a Global 8000. 😆
2:16 Holy Cow! Good to know! 💰
I disagree. The older citations are just as easy to fly but faster and more usable payload. Turboprop do not require type rating but insurance requires the trading which is nearly equivalent. And recurrent training is about $5k. Beta is very comparable to thrust reversers so why is he knocking jets so much? I’ll give him the shorter runways for sure though.
in a flame out emerge, how far can it glide?
Nah man fly coast to coast (one stop) in a Phenom 300E and tell me there’s anything better - the TBM is a mean turboprop but it’s a PC12 for me
Agree. It actually has room in it...AND a damn bathroom.
The 300E is like $11 million just to get into. Managing the aircraft is another nightmare cost scenario - insurance, maintenance etc etc.
How about the Epic?
Does Daher TBMs have more issues with cabin depressurization than other planes? I read a few articles of catastrophic accidents due to pilots losing consciousness in these things due to pressure dropping at altitude? Can anyone share the stats on this?
Don't focus on "Stats". These incidents can happen to ANY aircraft.
The only reason a pilot would pass out to loss of pressurization is if he/she is NOT paying attention to their aircraft. With all of the dials, gauges, warning and idiot lights in a modern aircraft, there is no excuse for these types of incidents.
In the case of rapid decompression, it comes down to being trained / prepared with your mask properly preflighted and readily at hand. What gets most pilots in trouble is complacency.
The president of the TBMOPA perished in a slow depressurization event years ago. It however was not as much related to the TBM as any pressurized aircraft. All of them have warnings systems but if ignored can turn into tragedy.
Wish I was still flying. Had a twin Cessna 340A and the next step was a single turbine. A single turbine is easier to operate than a twin and without all the twin and piston issues. FWIW, I was paying $10K for annuals in 2004, so 10K now sounds like a bargain.
Contact info for this guy?
how does the prop go in reverse and slow you down??? is it as simple as it sounds?
The prop doesn’t reverse direction. The angle of it’s blades is angled forward so that it’s exerting force in that direction.
Does it need a co-pilot or can be flown single?
Single
@@markberman8958 THANK YOU!
Can you provide his contact information? I have a use case and would love to train with him!
Very good information!
Like the aircraft, very versatile with plenty of range BUT NO BATHROOM?
Well, inside it is like a car really and the application is usually relatively short flights (1 to 3 hours max although it can fly longer) so typically the pilot or charter company will remind the passenger to go pee before flying and to restrain from caffeinated drinks prior to flying. I have flown (as a passenger, I’m not a pilot) many, many times in small aeroplanes due to work (for several years). You get used to not having a lavatory. Not a deal breaker.
ThevRCMP has one, theyvare nice, ever hear of the story where EVERYONE bailed out of one & died then the plane proceeded to land itself in a field with minor damage.
Do you think better than Eclipse 550?
Of course it is. Just check the specs.
I cant spend that kinda money on a plane without a rudimentary bathroom.
@@colinsouthern PC12 outsells the shrimpy sports car by a wide margin..for good reason.
@@colinsouthern It's QUITE clear you dont haul any women or kids around.
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You never mentioned money! That is why I spend 35 years flying a C421 which we called “a poor man’s King Air!” After watching a video of a PC12 ditching in the ocean near Hawaii, I would never choose a SE turboprop over a ME piston. Your risk profile is your business!
NIce video , but where was Mojo Mike ?
Holding the camera?
Awesome plane but prefer the PC 12.
What about a PC 12 vs the TBM ?
PC12s are a bit more capable, but they're slightly larger and much more expensive compared to the TBM.
Apples and oranges. Both have some things in common of course but pc12 are people/cargo movers, think of them as a large SUV. Large fuselage in comparison, roomy and bigger mostly preferred because its cargo capabilities or groups of people, thats why is slower compared to a TBM which is mostly like a car inside almost like a sport car, only small number of people’s movers with small cargo but way faster. So, different applications. PC12s are loved by charter companies that need to land in really tough terrains and move cargo. TBMs are loved by solo pilots with solo (or couple) of passengers.
A great aircraft, but a niche aircraft - sales figures are dwarfed by the PC12 series.
DOES THE TBM HAVE A LAV? VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!
I don’t think so. If you want a lav, look at a PC-12
@@seanevans7629 The question was rhetorical ... nice aircraft, but I need a place to potty.
Yes, but last two sets have to be removed.
@@sasaseremet6957 That's a no-go then for me.
Inside it is like a car. The usual application of these types of aircrafts is a relatively short flight (max 3 hours although they can fly longer). TBMs are really fast so that also shortens the leg. You just need to use the bathroom before boarding and maybe restrain from caffeinated drinks prior to as well. Not a deal breaker . I’ve flown many years in small aeroplanes (as a passenger, I am not a pilot) due to work, never had an issue. You get used to it (how many times you need to stop from your driving commute to use a bathroom in a gas station? These flights are similar to that, usually hour / hour and a half)
What aircraft are you talking about
who is this guy? does he have a youtube channel?
2 minutes in and they don't even say what manufacturer or model of aircraft this is, nor is it in the description. That makes me disinclined to watch the remainder.
Fifteen hours of training to get up to speed on a new aircraft isn't shit.
This is so much better than a jet, then he spends the first half of the video scaring the crap outta you for a turbine
I’m financially relegated to flying commercial! If I was a pilot I couldn’t even afford the maintenance on this plane much less the cost of operating!
Life is too short to fly behind propellers! 😁
The fact that anyone buys a SF50 in the world where the TBM exists is sad.
Where am I pissing though?
"Things that turn that look scary." Really?
Turbo prop is a jet engine with a reduction gearbox and a propeller ?
How is that simpler ?
this is very misleading. a SETP like the TBM needs a initial and annual training required by the insurance companies. It's the same process as a type rating in a light Jet. Yes it does cost a little more for a Jet initial. it's $14K for initial in your aircraft for a CE-500 jet rating. Initial in a SETP is around $5-7K. Annual recurrent for Jet is $4000 and Annual recurrent for SETP is around $2500. Very different than what is said in this video. Jets are safer, faster, more comfortable, and fly higher than a SETP. You can fly a light Jet for the same or less than a newer SETP.
But this is a jet.
I can see the appeal of reverse thrust and there seems to be some truth to a bit shorter runway capability but it's just not worth all the weaknesses. You know the expression private jet? there is no such thing for a turboprop. It looks like something from WW2, slightly removed from indiana jones. It makes noise accordingly and obstructs view. A constant reminder of what a massive mistake you made when you bought it. It doesn't have engine redundancy for ocean crossing and general safety and it doesn't have the speed. There is some truth to fuel economy however what few seem to realize is that if you lower a twin jet's speed down to turboprop speed, it's a lot more fuel efficient, not far off the turboprop. You just have the option of going airliner speed.
The single engine TBM940 costs the same as an Embraer Phenom 100 twin jet and the ramp appeal is just staggeringly different. The awful turboprops look like you fly medical parts or letters to New Foundland and you hate your life. The Phenom looks like you have it going on, you are banging Heidi Klum and have a 15 million dollar house in the hills of LA.
And where jets can really shine is that the planes could be lighter and smaller and the engines so simple that after 4000 hours you just buy a new one for 10k and don't worry about it. That it's not a financial burden at all. True freedom. Google says the typical annual cost of a TBM is a cool million dollars. That is frequent use but still. F dat.
What he forgot to mention is that an overhaul is a joyous mystery between 400 and 800 thousand dollars. Because for some reason when it comes to turbines the clowns lose their minds. Unfortunately also true for jets but it can be remedied. Jets can be surprisingly simple. I looked into it and it seems even the ball bearings are made by normal ball bearing companies of normal materials. Not some exotic part.
And regarding fuel efficiency, the world distance record of 40000km still belongs to the Williams FJ44 jet engine. Not a turboprop. That means piston planes should not exist nor should turboprops.
30 to 40 to 50 thousands a year to keep a jet TR valid? Are you sure?
PPL with +300 hours all in piston, not IFR rated. Do I qualify for a dry lease?
A turbo jet...turbo prop... Tomato 🍅 tomauto
No, a turboprop is not better than a jet which only underscores that blanket statements are usually not true.
WOW insane money to fly jets , poor pilots get taken advantage of to follow their dreams.
Nope. No way. No how. Jets are far superior. I've got 5000 hours in turbo props and 13000 pic in jets.
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Nah, jets are better.
Better than a Jet?????? I don't think so at lease a Jet has two engine in which it carries on much more safety than this model.
Wish flying wasnt a hobby for the rich :|
No, it’s not “better” than a jet
Thanks!
Thank you Herman