‘What Is Your Definition Of The Status Of Homelessness?’: Alito Grills Lawyer In Anti-Camping Case
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- Опубликовано: 21 апр 2024
- During oral arguments in City of Grants Pass v. Johnson on Monday, Justice Samuel Alito questioned Kelsi Corkran, attorney for Gloria Johnson, about the definition of homelessness.
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All those night shift workers don't even know they're homeless.
Lmfaoooooooooo
Actually, as they are defining things for this ordinance they would not be homeless. Because, at least for the two years that I was living in my vehicle, I worked all night and slept during the day. I never considered myself to be "Homeless", just houseless. I was not in this jurisdiction but I would not fit their definition even if I had been in it. I am sure they would have found some other thing that I was doing that was wrong. Where I was in Michigan at the time Law Enforcement did not care where I slept during the day unless I was in a No Parking Zone or over stayed the time limit for what street parking was available. Mostly I parked and slept in parking lots and moved when/if I got told to move. And that was over 30 years ago. Not sure what would be the case now, if I had to do that again.
“When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty” Thomas Jefferson
What is the injustice here, disallowing public camping in cities?
@@thomassenbart it’s a massively complex problem. housings affordability loss of jobs (factories/ business shut down for cheaper labor) low wages, mental health addiction opioid pushing doctors the 1% not paying taxes and stealing wages. Not only does this not solve any root issues but essentially adds salt to the wound.
@@BobHaijerJr I think it far less complex than you imagine. Homelessness is growing during a time when jobs are both plentiful and wages high. The vast majority of people who are homeless fall into three categories:
1. Addicts
2. Criminals
3. Mentally ill.
And of course, many occupy all three or a combination of these.
As we have subsidized homelessness, it has only grown. The answer is to stop doing that, enforce laws, incarcerate the criminals, force the mentally ill into facilities and get the addicts off the streets as well.
homelessness in the USA is largely a lifestyle choice, it is not about the affordability of housing.
@@thomassenbartjobs are not plentiful. All of our industrialization has been exported to China and you see how well off economically they’re doing because of it. Housing has never been more expensive and they are purposefully keeping inflated by not building more supply.
@@BobHaijerJr Currently there are some 8 million unfilled jobs in the USA. These jobs are throughout all industries. Jobs are very plentiful.
China is not doing well. Its economy is on the verge of collapse.
Housing is expensive in some parts of the country and much less so in other parts.
Shelter needs to be defined. We were homeless and lived in an office space--- no shower, no oven. We couldnt qualify for services because we didnt have an address even though we had a po box.
This case is a heartless case. Some people run into unfortunate circumstances. They become homeless. Make them a criminal because of this occurrence?! I don't think so! How about working on corporate greed instead. How about working making renting a home or apartment affordable. Maybe we would not have so many homeless people.
Citizens United allowed for corporations to throw unlimited amounts of money at politicians to serve their needs. Supreme Court justices and others are wined and dined on mega yachts and private plane trips for free . Homeless people don’t have such lobbyist or access. :(
It's the greed of the shelters, social workers etc they don't want thing to get better they make to much money they wanna punish people for trying to figure things out for themselves
It's not a status, it's a state. I lived in a hotel for a month, not having a home while migrating. I felt pretty homeless.
In regards to what is being discussed here the ontological status is the state. Homelessness is a solvable issue but Grants Pass is trying to arguing that being homeless by refusing to sleep inside is conduct and not an ontological status.
I cannot imagine anyone having difficulty defining what homelessness is. and I can't believe that the 9th Circuit made a determination to allow for it to be a prisonable offense, which would remove any semblance of lifestyle that they do have.
2nd degree sleeping with intent to snore is a serious problem.
Not as much as harassing people with jobs breaking into homes and assaulting people.
@@HappyBump-ts2gw Like former Astronaut and property owner Lisa Nowak? Property owners/tenants also commit crimes. Every day. Everywhere. Crimes aren't exclusive to property ownership.
If everyone puts a church or homeless shelter as an address, would that be a loophole to their intent of forcing the homeless to comply. Personally, I find Grant’s pass sickening.
It is a pretty pathetic place trees are nice the people eehhhh.
How about we keep our money here and make America a better place.
Republicans will never go for that. Four years of Trump set us BACK on that issue. Because then you "enable" people to keep being homeless.
no...we have to send our money to israel...say's in the bible
@@trompel1 I have not seen that verse.
How about arresting these people and getting them off the streets?
You think spending money won’t cause inflation?
Stop criminalizing the problems you create, America.
It's a complex problem. My impression is that the negativity towards the homeless comes from some of the folks who are on the street committing crimes and doing bad stuff. There are lots of folks who need and deserve help but the issue seems to be being painted as an all or none proposition. At least by the media.
@@rizzomatt That’s a reasonable perspective, but homelessness within a nation is the nation’s lack of concern about a small portion of the population that has a personal ailment (born with or traumatized) or is basically financially broken due to the ‘system’ of that nation. More often than not it is corrupt individuals/groups that game the system and continue to corrupt it until the more vulnerable in that nation fail.
And unfortunately the reason the nation lacks concern over these people is because they don’t make a profit.
Anytime you see an ‘altruistic’ project happen, it’s because someone in there is making a profit.
@@sstolarik I don't think the "nation lacks concern". That's for sure. I think most people are frustrated with the criminal element who are homeless being cast a vulnerable population.
@@rizzomatt I understand what you’re saying, but it’s a much bigger problem than that. And political leaders or others who have ‘podiums’ often talk about the homeless, but merely pander to the masses to make them look like they’re doing the ‘right thing.’ The reality is more often than not, they’re spouting propaganda to either sway you, or confuse the issue.
The real reason people complain about the homeless, is “I don’t want them near me,” but they can’t say that out loud. So, they look for a legitimate complaint, and instead say, “They’re criminals. They should be locked up.”
@@rizzomatt criminal elements such as? Theyre literally criminalizing sleep.
The only issue here is where can a homeless person sleep when you consider that almost every square inch of property on American soil is either privately owned or public "government" property.
Not even close to the truth. Regardless, if homeless seek help with religions, with homeless shelters, get a job, hello? Stop the drugs and alcohol and crime and get treatment for the mental illness.
@@thomassenbart Obviously, life has been good to you. I hope for your sake, the type of tragedy that might cause you to be homeless yourself never knocks on your door. Of course, if it did, maybe you would wake up to reality? Not all homeless people are homeless by choice or because they are bad people.
@@marcyking461 you have no idea of my life and in the USA it is not a fate the befalls you but a series of choices with consequences. I would venture that of all the homeless in the USA and Europe as well, it is a lifestyle not something that happened to them. Of course individuals have bad things happen which cause them to lose their home but this is not the norm for these folk. They generally prefer life on the streets than in a shelter or to go home or to live a 'normal' life, for a variety of reasons.
Living on the streets should not be an option.
@@thomassenbart you need to do more research and stop being self righteous. Not only that, nobody has to live in a brick and mortar house just because you choose to. And especially as unattainable as that is becoming for any person in this country.
@@thomassenbartmany don't become homeless due to alcohol or drugs. The stress of being homeless leads them there.
Homelessness is what happens when a country allows a group of the population to have more than they need creating a population group with less than they need.
No, wealth is not static; it is created and destroyed.
whats next you can't sleep in your car.. you can't sleep in a shanty.. I'll tell ya what should be illegal, two people living in a 20,000 sq ft house by themselves
They’re already doing that in some places!
Not only are they already doing that. I'm pretty sure they're even doing that in this specific case, I've listened to some other parts of this hearing and there's some discussion that in Grants Pass it's illegal to sleep in your car in public.
So you would approve of government regulations that would permit a government agency to confiscate a home that a couple have earned money for, and paid for? And who determines what home is "too big" for its owners? And who determines what then happens to that home? There is a reason the electricity is never shut off at Nicolas Maduro's home. Nicolas being the self-proclaimed democratic socialist.
In Quartzsite Arizona .. it is a felony to feed a homeless person.. some of the women that are homeless are ex military that served our country. What country IS THIS?????
Nah we're busy funding Ukraine and illegal immigrants, there's no money left over to take care of our own vets.
They protect Ukraine and the illegal criminals more then the us vets.
That's a lie.
@move_i_got_this5659 No, actually, it's not. It's illegal to feed the homeless on public property. You can only feed them at a private residence or religious facility. Providing food on a public street is illegal.
@@Slw1111 Not a felony.
And the homeless are a massive problem to businesses and the public.
Drugs and crime, taking dumps in public.
What about all the Millennials who “Vanlife” and travel the country? Or the Retired Americans who RV ? Are those considered homes? This sounds like a very narrow scope to define as someone without money
Instead of building small houses for the needy people they pay a lawyer to be able to throw people in prison and give lotsa money to prisons and lawyers
A homeless person is a person who is between homes.
Because "homeless" can be a time in one's life and you can be "not homeless" at other times, it cannot be a status. Status is reserved for categories that every citizen applies to. Your statement destroys the liberal argument in 2 seconds.
Good point, but not the aspect they were discussing.
If the homes that they are in between are their legal Residences. They are not homeless. They cannot be prevented from any of their Residences without the ones illegally preventing them from their homes not being arrested immediately. Homelessness is not having any home. Homelessness is also never having a place to stay. If Someone incomes are disrupted to not pay where they live. They are being violated to work in their own Country which is another serious attack on born Americans. Thanks for sharing.
I live in an RV. I am houseless not homeless.
It is NOT a felony in Quartzsite, Arizona to feed a homeless person.
Shame on Grant's Pass.
Wrong. Shame on the people who say we have no right to protect our towns and cities from invaders.
I'm sure the American Indians would agree with you.
We are lost as a country. The first step back to being human again is to have compassion for the less fortunate, those that are afflicted. We must recognize the stark contrast between war and caring. We can afford to finance endless wars but we refuse to help the less fortunate?
I don't buy that for a second.
I know we can do better.
@@Thedoorwayhome helping the homeless is one thing. Enabling it is another.
@@HappyBump-ts2gw define “enabling” homelessness? You can’t obligate someone to buy a property you don’t guarantee them to have. And how are they “invaders”? These are American citizens.
Products of the system. When unfortunates are targeted as criminal. Smh
Sleeping in the city on sidewalks and in parks is a crime. Most of the homeless want to be there they do not want help.
If they don't want to live in a homeless shelter, we could make homeless encampments out in the middle of nowhere where they can live on their own like they want to. But then they can't bum money to get drugs. Or steal to get drugs
trump would be homeless if the left had their way, already stealing his properties.
When I lived in San Diego, a bunch of teenagers would go hunting for homeless people who would look for a little srairwell to sleep in for the night, and they would beat them up. They beat up a veteran very badly one night , I think he soon died , it turned out this vet held a Purple Heart from Vietnam.
I hate these people. I live in my truck, bother nobody, don't use any drugs, keep my area clean, work 5 days a week and just want to be left alone so i can save for property.
The reason I'm homeless is because I can't get ahead in life(save money) unless I make major cuts and that cut is house or apartment. I refuse to be trapped in a no win scenario.
@@RealLifeProduct I want to build a stealth house on wheels to cut down on costs and see the country on my own time. Have you encountered the areas where they’re trying to make sleeping in vehicles illegal? People have way too much desire to control other people’s lifestyles.
Sure but you are being responsible and not tenting on streets and in city parks, under the underpasses, and throwing your trash everywhere, and shooting up.
@@eugenefirebird8938 they’re also making sleeping in cars illegal in some municipalities. Define “being responsible”
America is a country that celebrates those that make their own way in a way that is deemed appropriate.
The justices making the arguments that the homeless laws are terrible are miking me proud today.
Millions of federal money are exoending where it go?
Ukraine and Israel
They’ve been ignored in favor if the illegal criminals
Why don’t your government allow illegal immigrants to build more cheap homes for the homeless people?
@@brotherbig4651 because they shouldn't be here, hence illegal.
@@tomriggs699 If you actually need extra people to build things for you but you do not allow people to come in, you should think whether your law is wrong.
@@tomriggs699 legal and illegal only denote what is against the law. Not what “should” or “shouldn’t” happen.
@@brotherbig4651we don't need them.
Seems were on our way to having the conversation on affordable housing in America
We're definitely going to have a conversation about this low ass pay..
So communism. Got it
@@iamthelaw82 was it “communism” to redline African Americans out of housing and then push them into projects? Why are yall so opposed to public housing all of a sudden? Where are these people supposed to go with no housing being affordable? It’s like, would you rather see capitalism dismantled with some sort of control around it or just collapse as a system and leave everyone on the street, cus London bridge is falling down, hon.
@@iamthelaw82 was it “communism” to deny people housing based on redlining and push them into project buildings? Why are yall so opposed to public housing all of a sudden? Like. Would you rather see capitalism dismantled with some sort of control or just see the system collapse until everyone is assed out? It’s gonna go one way or the other.
@@iamthelaw82 why are you suddenly opposed to public housing? Was it communism when people were redlined and then forced into project buildings?
This seems like rich Democrats not liking that shared public spaces means something that MIGHT affect their blessed property values.
Uh, pretty sure it’s equally bootstrapping “don’t ever do anything wrong” republicans as well. Anyone persecuting the homeless and poor is a bad person.
Maybe the court can take up the definition of the word "is" when they're done with this one. Nice job if you can get it.
They did that one already
Slick Willie
Is this supposed to be funny or something?
@@chavonj4680 it’s a reference to what Bill Clinton said about his SA situation
@@IfYouWantBlood1 ahhhh, def wouldn’t understand the reference lol
No one has fun being Homeless!!!!
Most of the homeless prefer this life than living normally. It's a lifestyle choice for the vast majority of people doing it.
@@thomassenbart You, sir, are delusional.
@@CAPTJohn47 I think not.
How does $60k in building mayerials cost the buyer $350k? Just not worth the money. Especially, when your wages are low.
The builders are building a house that costs $125k to build and selling it for $350k, and there is collusion not competition in that and most other businesses.
The average home builder makes roughly 10% net profit on a home, so if you paid $350k, it cost the builder a total of about $315k after all expenses, regardless of the cost of building materials
I've heard this for other things (clothes mainly) but this is a first for a house. If you think a house is only worth the cost of building materials, then go buy a plot of land and $60k worth of materials and build one. I'm not a home builder, but cost of labor is a thing with pretty much everything.
@@gregsimoes8645 LOL and look at the quality of some of these houses
Not true. A 3-2-2 1500 square foot house costs 2 man years income, plus the land price. One man year to do the labor, and one man year to get the money for materials and permits. That's about $125k to build it right now in most areas. I built many houses. @@nathanbaker1868
So if someone owns a home in Kansas City and travels to Los Angeles and sleeps on the beach for a week, it's not against the law?
The law only applies to people who don't have a home?
Is the real problem that homeless persons are occupying public property, causing expenses to the government, and the government can’t collect taxes from them on property, and good luck with collecting income taxes from a person without a mailing address.
The problem is using resources and not paying taxes
We should all be labeled homeless
"Refusal to take psychiatric drugs?"
Really, Judge? Ever experienced tardive diskenesia? Akathesia? Now that is a living hell. And having it forced upon you? When you know, you know. smh
Criminalizing homelessness is not going to solve the problem of homelessness. Try again.
It probably would actually, however, no one is advocating such a thing, but it is a crime to camp on public streets, foul them, do illegal substances there, be publicly intoxicated etc...
Poverty crimes are subject to very little scrutiny
You don't recall how little homelessness there was when overnight camping, loitering, panhandling and public drug and alcohol usage was criminalized? I do. Virtually none.
@@thomassenbart public intoxication is bullcrap, if you get drunk at a bar and then walk home you’re technically publicly intoxicated. Explain why waiting in line for two days for a sneaker release is not considered “camping on public streets”? If you don’t want people pooping on the street make public restrooms available. The illegal substances thing depends on the state cus weed is still illegal some places.
What is our country coming to? Really. We have to question homelessness, really sad that be in your country isn't being home, this is your elitist idea of class , rating people, judging or giving some authority for people to be judged, by how much you have, not who you are
We need to enforce laws that prohibit loitering, panhandling, and other nuisances that disrupt our communities. At the same time, we should offer a helping hand to those willing to accept it and provide them with the resources and support they need to get back on their feet. Ending homelessness requires a comprehensive approach that addresses the economic, social, and personal challenges facing those on our streets. With determination,
Poverty is the result of a lack of money
I've lived in multiple places where homelessness has been a problem. It's a serious disruption to the quality of life of everyone else who lives, works, and shops in the area. Municipalities should be able to forcibly remove people who camp on the public sidewalks or parks on an ongoing basis. Whether it also comes with jail time or fines, I actually don't care, whatever it takes to remove the public nuisance. These people may be victims of something in their past, but that does not mean they don't have choices for present and future conduct.
No one should be entitled to permanently set up camp wherever they like, without regard to others.
I of course feel pity for these people. But the fact that their families, friends, and natural communities have relinquished all responsibility for these people should not mean that we collectively now have to foot the bill for their entire life and well being. And not just for people who were born and raised in the community, but anyone from anywhere who happens to set foot in the city and pop a tent or lay out on the sidewalk. It's simply not fair or sustainable. Time to push back on this nonsense.
there’s cash for wars and somehow not for the people
And without drugs.
@@Rnankn not at all. Poverty is not using the body and mind the good Lord provided you with.
Please keep in mind the safety and security risk of allowing vagrants to camp out on sidewalks. Senior citizens and the youth have to walk out into the busy streets, full of cars, just to get around these encampments.
Oh BS. Why not throw everyone in Jail who rides a Bike on a Pedestrian Walkway?
Why NOT demand from Cities to have Benches for the Senior Citizens placed every half Mile away. Support a Green World and allow people to cut emissions by Walking.
@@user-ir1ts7di8m Look little-one, you apparently do not care about seniors and our youth. We get that.
@@user-ue1lv3mr5h Yeah and apparently you get that very wrong.
@@user-ue1lv3mr5hthey bring up valid points, that can’t be the sole point of your argument because there’s a lot of things that make the streets unusable for youth and senior citizens, the disabled as well.
Half these people are seniors in the tent..
How can homelessness be illegal? I hope the Supreme Court has more common sense than some of these city/state governments do.
How can stealing public property for private use be legal?
vagrancy and loitering are absolutely crimes, quality of life ones. They have no right to impose themselves on everybody in our major cities living rough on the street and it's really a form of open harassment. It's wrong what the homeless are doing to the average person.
@@julesjames593I mean; by that very definition, a significant portion of the US once belonged to the Native Americans... so we should return said land to them right?
Marcy; it's asinine. I was once homeless and experienced the back side of its illegality. Likewise as well as government agencies who willingly alloted bad cops to abuse my friends and me.
Because it infringes on the rights of others. They are attempting to occupy property that is not theirs to provide themselves with a home at no expense to themselves. Pitching a tent in a park deprives those that wish to use the park from doing so. Pitching a tent on the sidewalk prevents proper and safe travel. Pitching a tent on private property takes the rights of the property owner. It is a health hazard for all citizens by festering diseases that have been eradicated through sanitary conditions, invites public drug use, and has proven to bring an increase in crime. There are millions of acres of BLM land that could be used, but they don't because then they won't get free things from bleeding heart liberals that don't understand that they are not helping these people, but encouraging their poor choices.
Yes, there are situation of homelessness, but they should be infrequent and temporary. That's why we have programs in place. It's not and was never meant to be a lifestyle.
Do you want a Soylent Green scenario? It is the crime associated with homelessness that needs addressing, not sleeping outside.
Government wants people who produce, period. If the problem effects them they will vanish the problem for profit.
Government causes the problem so they can expand their power while solving the problem they caused. It's what they do.
That’s exactly what they want, “plant-based meat”. Lol jk, but either that or they’re running low on prison labor.
@chavonj4680 put yourself in prison
The State of Oregon passed environmental laws. Those laws drove business out of the state. They also passed land use planning laws which increased the cost of a home. Now their actions are leaving people homeless and without the resources to secure their lives. The social climate in the state is wholly responsible for these crises and the cities who want to maintain their responsibilities to their taxpaying citizens are left holding the bag.
Multnomah County rules the state. Apparently the population of Portland, dictates the whole state. Grants Pass is more conservative than anything.
Thank you nicely said
Your premises are largely..wrong.. foolish points
@@teevee2145No, he's correct.
@@teevee2145 can you explain how?
some ex-Soviet or soviet friendly countries in Europe place great importance on status. The question is included in bank applications, licenses, etc Status freezes a person into a specific profile and inhibits freedom of expression and the pursuit of happiness.
What these cities are trying to do is unconstitutional.
People become homeless because of illnesses or making poor decisions. What causes both? Air pollution causes illnesses and mental dysfunctions which increase poor decision making. Homelessness is an environmental problem and a clean air environment must be the foundation of the solution. We cannot build housing for the homeless in toxic environments or toxic run down buildings or old motels. We must build housing in healthy environments with clean air and using nontoxic materials - another words luxury quality housing not “affordable” low quality builds. Then and only then the body and mind will have a chance to heal. We created the pollution that harmed these people. We need to take responsibility and provide humane solutions. We must stop trying to incarcerate the homeless and start building healing housing. In the meantime we need to use green spaces to create temporary spaces for them until the nontoxic housing is built. It’s a sacrifice we all need to make in order to solve the problems we created. The homeless problem is a symptom of what’s wrong with our society. Too much pollution and too much greed. If we fix the homeless challenge properly, we will also prevent the collapse of our civilization and global warming. 🙏 The sooner we start building the sooner we will solve this crisis.
Tots and pears 🍐
Due to computer and internet sites etc etc when if someone stubs their toe in Kansas it is news in Georgia... far different than pre WW2.
Are you confused or lost?
No overnight camping on the sidewalk.
Alito has the reasoning ability of a toddler. They say they are originalists and yet their rulings require the mental gymnastics and hypotheticals of a mad person.
No address is homelessness
Judge Alito asking the right questions
The definition of "homeless" is someone who has no property on which to legally abide. If you own a lot or property you are not homeless even if you have to pitch a tent for a time. The right to property is in our Bill of Rights and Constitution. As well as all the other rights that are being trampled upon by bad govt., .
So should the government legally entitle every person to a plot of land?
@@chavonj4680They’ve done it before.
Your definition of homelessness would include me as I own no home/ property wherein I could pitch a tent. I am a renter as are several millions of others. So homeless can't be equated with not owning a home/property.
@@carlathomas6257 The OP said “no property on which to legally abide”. A lease agreement would satisfy this definition. They weren’t saying that non-homeowners are homeless.
@@chavonj4680yes and a basic income
It would be helpful if you noted the name of speaker.
Both names are in the description.
If Someone is illegally forced out of their home and apartment that proved it was a self-eviction. Why is the ones committing these serious crimes not arrested immediately. There cannot be a law to enforce homelessness but the law that illegally placed People who are not homeless on the steeets not enforced immediately. That is an attack on any born Americans who have been attacked in that way. The ones lying like Someone is homeless who is not homeless needs to be enforced immediately. Unforgivable. Thanks for sharing.
I have no idea what language that’s supposed to be
Divorce all responsibility to take care of yourselves and forcing communities to cover all needs.
If SCOTUS says cities can ticket these people, then we now live in a country where it's illegal to be so broke you can't own/rent a home. However, if you're not a citizen and that broke, then welcome, here's some free money and a phone, and don't forget your 5 star hotel room.
They’re not broke, they’re not legally ALLOWED to work. That aid will likely not be given once they start giving illegal immigrants work papers.
Wtf is wrong with this judge?
A whole heck of a lot of people have rights to my tax dollars.
Yea like Ukraine and Israel apparently.
We could take care of our homeless if we stayed out of foreign affairs that only benefit the politicians who have a lot to lose if the large arms companies didn't have billions of dollar contracts. The Military-Industrial complex are the politician's money printing presses.
California spends Billions of dollars on homeless & social issues. The budget goes up every year. California has @ least 25% of America’s total homeless population. Is there a correlation hell ya
Open the border and let in 20 million more homeless people.
So the people born here are ignored? The border is the only thing that gets you
Yes, it will be enriching!
They won’t be homeless because they’ll be willing to work the jobs that people typically won’t work, right?
ah, conflating two distinct issues.
@@halberthawkins No, they are related. Mass immigration, whether legal or illegal, drives down wages. Low wages make it harder for Americans to earn a living, and keep a roof over their heads. Thus, immigration contributes to homelessness.
3:50 "...a person who SUFFERS from pedophilia..." No gd words! (Or is it telling?) And he (Alito) lives in such a bubble that he somehow thinks that there are unlimited options for homeless people with addictions or mental health issues to get help.
I don’t see how that excerpt matches your criticism??
@@chavonj4680 Ah I see what you're saying! They were two separate thoughts and it needs some cleaning up! Fixing it.Thanks!
A lot of this stuff you in the Supreme Court should know. It is just common sense. We use to have large mental hospitals where people with mental issues had beds got their meds on time, had gardens to work in, they had volunteers that helped a lot and they had barbers for men, and ladies who took care of the women hair needs. The ill would stay as long as they needed. There were vets from the wars there and all kinds of people having mental issues. The government closed them down, I guess they has their reasons, I don’t know what they were. If a person has mental issues, they don’t always remember to take their meds and will get worse and act strange. I don’t know what the answer is only that we need to take care of the homeless.
The reasons were abuse and mistreatment. Human rights violations, etc.
Vagrancy is homelessness. Why did we change words?
Is vagrancy homelessness or is homelessness vagrancy? You can surely do one without the other.
This was good for dinner 🍽️😁 I'm sorry but they was serving, don't even wanna dismiss C. Thomas. Y'all I'm waiting for the ruling I'm done with this convo SCOTUS
America is the "Home land". Inside/outside whats the difference.. sleep outside all you want, just not on unwelcomed private property and when in public don't make a mess.
Murica
No law says you have to have residence if you choose not to.
Sure but you should not be allowed to camp in public urban areas, pollute an area with your excrement, panhandle, harass and despoil the land.
@@thomassenbart
Can't criminalize existing. It comes down to choices, generally of two no one wants to choose from.
Sleeping in a public place. Allow it, or provide a place for them to sleep.
Using the bathroom in public. Allow it, or provide a bathroom.
Sleeping and using the bathroom are both functions of life. Both the body will do involuntary no matter how hard someone attempts to prevent it.
There is a right to life.
@@thomassenbart why would public, urban areas be off limits as opposed to public suburban or rural areas?? If you don’t want people pooing on the street put more bathrooms around. Panhandling is already constitutionally protected activity, free speech. Harassing people is already illegal. And what is “despoiling the land”??
@@chavonj4680 Because we have laws and of course the same applies in suburbs as well. In rural areas you can camp though living in rural areas is also not legal. You have to own land and cannot appropriate it by pitching a tent.
Public toilets are everywhere but if someone is doing this as part of his/her lifestyle that is illegal and must be punished.
Yes, panhandling is protected but harassment is not. There is a fine line that is frequently crossed.
Despoiling is to make a place dirty as is the norm in the encampments made by the homeless.
The homeless are not to be pitied but dealt with. No subsidies but forced treatment, incarceration and for the mentally ill, long term institutions must be made available.
@@thomassenbart $100 says you're shorter than 6'
Our public parks, lands, and spaces weren't set aside or kept empty for decades so that modern bum encampments would flourish.
Lmfaoooo “we didn’t make this clear green space that could hold houses a place where you people could exist because you don’t have houses, barrrumphhumphumph.”
So open your home to them if you care so much
@@firstlast8258 ever thought that people don’t have the means to, hence the HOMELESSNESS issue??
Why is this Forbes break
I'm not my brother's keeper.
HOW DARE YOU COMPARE MY SONS MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES WITH PEDIFILLIA!!!!!! MY SONS WERE FORCE FED DRUGS FOR THEIR ADHD,, AND THEIR FATHER REFUSED TO KEEP THEM WITH INSURANCE, EVEN AFTER OBAMA PUT IT INTO ORDERS,,, TAKE THE DOCTORS AND SCHOOLS AND PARENTS TO COURT FOR ABANDONED CHILDREN ALL OVER THE USA!!!
Uh, you know that there are lots of different types of mental illness? How is anyone “comparing” anything by mentioning multiple types of mental illness?
Elitists
I can't emphasize the importance of this case. California is over run with these shanty towns. Crime, filth, drugs, urine and poop. All coming to your neighborhood.
You get what you vote for
Or assess a HOMELESS PERSON WHO HAD A PARENT THAT FORCED DRUGS ONTO THAT CHILD,, LEGAL DRUGS FOR ADHD,,, THAT MADE THAT CHILD DRUG DEPENDENT ON DRUGS,,, THAT NOW THAT CHILD AS A ADULT CAN NOT GET AND THAT PARENT REFUSES TO COVER UNDER THEIR HEALTHCARE INSURANCE FOR ANY TREATMENT?!!!
Homeless is not defined as one night when someone does not have a place/shelter to sleep. What if your house gets burnt down? Or is flooded? Or you are locked out?
Where did a person with pedophilia come from in the discussion?
Well, a sex offender COULD technically also be homeless. How do you go on a sex offender registry if you don’t have an address?
If you’re offered housing and you REFUSE IT because you want to do drugs, my sympathy is gone.
“Housing”? Or shelter?
@@chavonj4680 If you turn down either because of their drug free policy sympathy = 0
@@IfYouWantBlood1 just because of drugs or because of other reasons as well?
@@chavonj4680 there are many homeless people who are offered a bed and a roof and they turn it down because they would rather be high on the street than sober under a roof. Most shelters have a no drug policy so if they choose drugs over a roof, sympathy = 0.
@@chavonj4680 most shelters have no drug policies so many of them choose to be high on the street than sober under a roof. If you are given the option and you choose drugs over a bed and roof, sympathy = 0.
This isn't about homelessness or poverty, it's about keeping people accountable for their actions. You CANNOT allow everyone to sleep/camp anywhere at anytime, essentially just taking a public space for their own.
Homelessness can often result from situations that are entirely beyond an individual's control, not as a matter of choice. Here are five common examples illustrating how people can end up homeless through no fault of their own:
Natural Disasters: Imagine a scenario where a person lives in an area struck by a severe natural disaster, such as a hurricane, flood, or earthquake, which completely destroys their home and local infrastructure. With their residence uninhabitable and potentially no immediate support from insurance or government (due to the scale of the disaster or bureaucratic delays), the individual could find themselves without shelter.
Severe Medical Issues: If a person suddenly suffers from a serious medical condition that incurs massive hospital bills, they might find it impossible to manage the financial burden. Despite having health insurance, the out-of-pocket expenses for treatment and ongoing care could deplete their savings and force them into debt. Unable to work and overwhelmed by medical costs, they could lose their home.
Job Loss Due to Economic Downturns: Consider someone employed in an industry hit hard by an economic recession. If massive layoffs occur and the person loses their job, finding new employment could be difficult, especially if the entire sector is struggling. With limited or no income during an extended period of unemployment, savings might run out, leading to eviction or foreclosure.
Escaping Domestic Violence: A person may flee their home to escape an abusive relationship, particularly if they believe staying could endanger their life or the lives of their children. In many cases, leaving might mean they have nowhere to go, especially if they lack financial independence or access to supportive networks and resources, resulting in homelessness.
Fraud or Identity Theft: If an individual falls victim to a fraud or identity theft, they might lose their financial assets, access to credit, and even their home. These crimes can drain their bank accounts, rack up immense debts in their name, or lead to the foreclosure of their property, all without their initial knowledge or direct fault.
Yeah, that would be tribal. Damn Native Americans.😂
Well. If they have no money then what? It is the same old thing. You cannot throw someone into jail for poverty.
So what such actions are we demanding accountability for?? Existing in public? “Just taking a public space for their own” isn’t that what anyone does when they’re using a public facility??
What is Public Land, is not the land that United States stole from Indians??? You going to root case of US existing still on this land legally... US Supreme Court Judges must have term limit!!!
Ah yes, there it is; the conservative presumption that if you’re homeless, it must be your fault.
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Joe Arpaio style tent cities to house the homeless (in the millions of acres of emptiness in Nevada).
That's called an Internment Camp.
@@orionhauk2968Maybe. But it's a couple steps above living in a cardboard box in the gutter.
@@terry_willis with zero hope of being able to participate in society.
You got to move people where there's jobs and resources!
None of this would exist if they hadn't got rid of all of the job programs that help young people and disabled people who have barriers to employment because of people's prejudice.
These people are not animals to be herded into camps in the middle of nowhere.
Why can't they live in the tent City on vacant government-owned property?
How about getting rid of the blue and red machine agencies that perpetuate the problem.
The social security administration gives disability to people based on criteria that is Matt that has nothing to do with medical and is of the legal and paperwork nature.
The people on the street who need it aren't getting it and the people who don't need it are getting it because people who don't study the issues and don't read beyond the headlines keep putting people in office and give support to corruption that creates these problems!
@@terry_willis if your image that comes to your mind is living in a cardboard box in the gutter when you think of homeless then you have been programmed by politics end the media and you need to start looking at facts and data.
Letting people sleep in the streets is not compassion, sending them to rehab or sending them to vocational schools for jobs is compassion. It is amazing that you see some asking for money on the street but a store behind them says" Wanted Help Needed". If they got the time to beg for money they got time to work it is utterly ridiculous that their are abundant of jobs in their neighborhood but dont want to work i can understand if they are disabled. If they have time to do drugs but they have no time work?
Because they don't have a Home to wake up, have breakfast, take a Shower, dress nicely and go to work?
You know those hiring signs in storefronts aren't real right? they leave them up even when they aren't hiring. They also don't hire "people without a mailing address".
If this is truly a free country, work would be optional. But instead we live in debt society and are forced through social programming into financial slavery.
@@barkdango4371 Correct. As are about 75% of job postings online. For the most part, they are data mining and keeping pressure on current ones. The sign being kept up is meant to serve as a deterrence for employees asking for more. The employer will say things to current.ones such as "If you don't like it, there's the door, we have a lot of people applying, etc." But the reality is that for most places, if more than one person quits, getting others to come in, be trained, and become even marginally proficient, will be a nightmare for them.
God forbid someone be disabled. If I weren’t currently living under my mother’s roof I would be homeless because I have a neurological disorder. I’ve been fired from every job I’ve ever had.
This is not going to end as you hoped. NIMBY is really strong here.😂😂😂😂😂 And not ALL homeless individuals fit the homeless stereotype. And the numbers are way larger than you think. And for you religious types... wasn't Jesus "homeless?" 😂😂😂😂
Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕
Just renounce your citizenship then you be taken to 4 start hotel in New York, given a cell phone, prepaid visa and healthcare.
A lot of so called christian conservatives in these comments really hate their neighbor don't they? Goddamn. Zero compassion.
Let’s have some compassion for the people here. There is enough suffering here without importing it.
@@ashfield1425what does that have to do with the court case and the rhetoric against homeless people?
Absolutely they're also the landlords and business owners that won't pay anything...
Blind compassion is asking for bad things to happen
You seem to have your mind made up even when there’s no proof of what you’re saying.
wtf is he talking about?
Are you kidding me???? Our country is being destroyed, and you're wasting time on this????? Where are we on the Brunson case to save America?
Destroyed by what in particular? Nothing would destroy America but America itself.
Homelessness is not a choice, it is a result of rediculous housing costs caused by greed of the 1% and fake fiat money.
What is the Definition of being Homeless, I don't know I'm still working on the definition of a woman.
There are many reasons people choose to sleep outside on public property. Some do so because all they want is their next fix. The young people I've seen who are healthier than me evidently don't want to work. Drugs and mental illness are the main reasons people choose to be homeless. Taxpayers should not be obligated to provide shelter to homeless people.
Nobody has to live in a house because you say so. Either provide them a place to be or don’t complain. They have to exist somewhere.
Go to some cities. You find working people living in cars but still can't afford rent. You are very privileged.
So if a person is mentally ill they are *choosing* to be homeless? Thats asinine.
@@linjubar not to mention that the genetic profile of someone with mental illness is greatly exacerbated by their status as homeless, imagine how frustrating to constantly be harassed, and have your belongings discarded, that’d “drive me crazy” too.
Justice Alito is a callous and out of touch human being. How could he ask a question like that? Homelessness defined is someone who DOES NOT HAVE A PERMANENT PLACE TO LIVE AND FEEL SAFE AND SECURE! What is wrong with these people!!!!
They will find for the homeless
If we didn't have so many illegal ailens here to support and give all our government benefits to, over and above what Americans receive we might have more money to help homeless American and homeless vets...
SO HOW DOES THE COURT ASSESS A HOMELESS PERSON WHO HAS FAMILY THAT COULD BE HELPING THEM OUT BUT REFUSE AND SAY,,, " LEAVE IT UP TO THE SYSTEM "?!
This discussion lacks awareness of the lived reality of sleeping rough. Also a failure to understand the reality of living in the modern world without resources. Hunter-gatherers had a higher quality of life than many Americans. The status quo is being defended by the most entitled people in human history, who are trying to criminalize their neighbours so they do not have to face their own shame and guilt.
Muricans
Homelessness is derived of hopelessness.
Is living in boarding school while being minor homeless. My father did it to me. Lol.
Being poor is not a crime...
Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕
Jesus was homeless since His conception.
Gawd bless Murica 🤓 🖕
6-3 homeless get out of town.
Some people want to be homeless. Hobos vagabond travelers.
Yea, they're called insane people
@@thenightman9847 not really, I live in a house now, but wanna live in an rv to travel the country. Lots of people who are homeless are living in their cars.
That is not what we're talking about
@@thenightman9847 uh, it is if you know the definitions of the words vagabond and traveler?
A RV is a home. Vagabonds dont live in RVs that they own by definition...Travelers dont need to be homeless either by definition. The video and subject is about homeless people, and you are going on about selling your house to live in an RV(not homeless). Nobody is arguing against traveling around in an RV so why even open your mouth? Nobody is against traveling 😂
There is no division between a homeless man or woman’s urge to live in a tent in some public park and a pedophile’s urge to abuse a child. The urge is there regardless. There are numerous examples of the homeless having a place to stay, funded by the government I might add, and consistently electing to live on the street.
Really bizarre thing to say
How bout no sleeping overnight in public spaces, whether you’re homeless or not, duh!
No mention of the word overnight, they want to criminalize sleeping in public period.
@@chavonj4680that’s fine too😊
Talking about pedos and homelessness