Late Turn at Holt Signal Box
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This Late Turn at Holt Signal Box video was filmed as a signalman's eye view. It was during a late turn, operating the terminus signal box at Holt during the 2014 Autumn steam gala on the North Norfolk Railway.
It was taken with a previously set up and locked-off unattended video camera (Panasonic HC-X920) on the handrail and inside Holt signalbox so I could then safely concentrate on my signalling duties.
How lovely to see the inside of Holt Box. I spent many many happy hours in the box when it was called Upper Portland Sidings between Pye Bridge Jc and Kirkby in North Notts. Dates around 1976 - 78 when one John Leivers ( real name) was signal man there. The box was about half way down a steep gradient on the Up road, and the unfiitted coal trains had 4 x Cl 20's on the front. Whre the Tyers is now situated was a gate wheel and latterly when barriers were installed a push button on a stand.
The front two were bankers, from Summit box, to give additional braking. Upper Portland had water and the bankers on the way back on the Down rd used to pick up cans of water for other boxes.
The box to the south was Pinxton and somewhere around there was/is the Sun Inn where the Midland Railway was founded. Upper Portland was on part of the horse drawn? Mansfield and Pinxton Railway.
I have given to the Mid-Norfolk a SB Log book for Upper Portland and photos in and around the box. I hope they still have them. I would love to spend a shift in that box again
David Leathart
Such beautiful engines, obviously well-loved!
Must be an absolute delight to volunteer on this line! Here in the US what private lines do run usually lack block stations or towers as these had long closed before the affected lines were put up for abandonment by the railroads. Really liked the "point of view" concept here as well. Thanks very much!
Excellent video. Nice to see the somersault signals in operation.
Excellent video, very professional with commentary, sounds and atmosphere, and varying view. Thanks
Really daft question: why does the rear engine carry the token? I'm guessing the thinking is that if anything becomes detached en route, the token remains on the last vehicle that will leave the section? But if the rear engine carries the token, by definition the driver of the front engine is entering a section without carrying the authorisation to do so. I can see any number of scenarios where this would be downright dangerous - for example, the signalman of a busy box permits train to leave, intending to give the token to the rear engine. Distracted at a critical moment, he fails to do so. Shifts change, old signalman goes off, new one comes on, finds the token not replaced in its machine, and assumes that the previous signalman took it out for a train that failed to depart for some reason, and it never got returned. New man rectifies the apparent error by putting the token back in machine - so the instrument is now convinced that the line is empty when in fact it's occupied. Of course presumably what's supposed to happen is that the rear driver notices he hasn't got the token, operates the brake and whistles whildly until the front driver stops to find out what's gone whrong? This is still a wildly unpleasant situation because we still have a train some distance into the section, laden with passengers, and without its token, with the only option being for the guard to walk back to the box to get it. It seems to me safer that the rear engine is treated as a glorified brake-van, and that the train is regarded as having left the section only when the next signalman sees its rear lights, as usual (after all, if there were only one engine, it's the engine that would carry the token, not the guard in the final carriage?). Usually these things are dictated by some accident and the subsequent investigation - did a divided train and a mix-up over who was carrying the token ever cause such a thing? If anyone knows the history, I'd be so grateful to know... just for interest!
(oh, lovely lovely video though! thank you!)
Very interesting ,,, and lovely footage of smashing locos ,,, many thanks for sharing ,,,
Excellent!
Interesting and awesome good in semaphore signalling system
Very nice video
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So why was the token given to the engine on the rear of the train rather than the lead engine at 04:25?
wouldn't those red buckets be for a bucket brigade for the embers on the tracks?
or are they for something else?
Really enjoyed this Robert. I hope you make some more of these as there's very few out there that give as much detail as you do. Quick question: Does the lack of track circuits make life any harder in the box?
+MrLambo27
Hello glad you enjoyed my video. The box has good visibility
so I can see what’s where. There is one track circuit ‘C’ which locks the main crossover
points No7 to stop the signalman swinging them with a train traversing them,
and also they lay reversed with the lever in the frame, opposite to nearly all
other signal Boxes as the normal route is into platform 1, this takes a bit of
getting used to as it is unusual but the reason is that when the Box is
switched out only PT1 is used so in a way it is the normal route. And all
levers must be in the frame to switch the SB out.
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Robert
+Robert Scarfe Many thanks for your reply. Being a Bluebell man I'm used to seeing the board lit up like a Christmas tree on gala days. But then again none of our boxes have good enough visibility to work without. (Sheffield Park being at Platform Level and Kingscote on one continuous curve)
I note when you pull your crossover lever it is not check locked in the D position until the points have been detected in the correct position releasing the lever to full reverse, [and B check lock when restoring to normal]. Do motor operated points levers no longer have the B and D check locks installed these days? Is it now done via relay interlocking making the lever check lock redundant?
I noticed that you use a hand towel to pull the levers why is that?
James Dupuis I think its to stop oils from you hands going on the metal I’m not sure myself
@@6mmairsofting620 it does stop sweat and oil from rusting the levers. I hated working lever frames with rusty levers. It was also a once a week job to clean the levers with emery cloth. Something, along with using lever cloths, not every Signaller bothered with! And yes I did work quite few lever frames in my 30 year career here in NSW, Australia. In the end I hated them but it's nice that you guys get the chance to feel the real signalbox world of yester year. Good stuff.
Lucky devil. I suppose you love doing it too Robert? Join the club. So did I; Every second. haha.
Very neat and clean. Not like in India... :-)
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