Generative Music Techniques for Ableton Live (And Beyond!)
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- Generative music is music written by a system of rules you define. In this video, we'll examine ways to make use of Ableton's default devices in a generative context.
00:00 intro
01:21 simple probability
02:36 interrelatability
03:25 probability into arpeggiation
06:09 topology
07:07 deterministic anchors
07:50 probabilistic drum rack: foley
10:49 probabilistic drum rack: percussion
14:15 chord generator
17:07 melodic rhythm guitar generator
19:45 randomizing lead sounds with sampler
23:25 bassline generator
25:12 drums
26:40 playing it for you
27:37 recap
30:40 outro
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What this whole generative concept highlights for me as a music student is that there's no such thing as perfect, and that's perfectly fine. A composer focused on perfect would want exactly "the best" version of any given harmony/timing etc. But generative proves that this would get stale quickly and what we really want is a collection of great, but varied, moments.
I would just say that generative tools are just that - tools. And composers use the tools that are "perfect" for the sound, style, and ideas they want to communicate. I personally find generative tools extremely interesting and there are some amazing generative pieces, and some that certainly could use a bit more "perfecting" :) In music, just like writing (outside formal documents, etc.), "the best" only means what communicates the ideas in the style you are looking to communicate them in.
Sometimes, that does require very precise things: there are strict rules for what makes a sonnet a sonnet, for example; other times, it's exactly the freedom and space of generative music that is what is desired.
@@bricelory9534 I totally get that, now. But for those raised more in the European Classical way of thinking about music there seems to be a rigor that suggests that imperfection is a flaw. I think that's more what I was speaking to in my original comment. Imperfections are often a feature, rather than a flaw and it's a lifelong process to learn and relearn that fact.
@@exquisiteoath Good point! I studied classical cello, so I totally hear what you're saying about that. I couldn't focus myself to practice for hours on end to get an arpeggio or scale-based lick in a piece perfect, when that little lick meant so little to me (it's just a flourish, after all!). I do see there is something similar in composition, especially for those sticking with functional tonality and traditional form.
It was a hard place because I was going to a rather small college in the early 2000's, so I didn't really know what the world of electronic music was like then or how to access it. Because I cared about the *sound* of music, and I was interested in theory because of how it gave me tools, not because it was "correct" or not. Unfortunately, I kinda burned out on serious music making for a long time after that until a couple years ago when I stumbled onto some of the resources in RUclips about making electronic-based music. It blew my mind, and very quickly I was thinking "THIS! This is what I was looking for!"
So I really do resonate with what your comments are driving at, for sure. I think I just reacted assuming the stereotypical "music theory is garbage" sort of sentiment that some commenters have who disdain that sort of thing. Apologies for that wrong assumption!
@@bricelory9534 I'm very much of a mind with you... both on the Music Theory is a great tool, and the frustration with those who can't see that.... As is so ofen the case, it's not theory that's the issue, it's the culture -on either end of the spectrum- who either treat it as the law or as garbage. :)
Thanks for sharing
Finally a RMR lesson where I already do most of the techniques.
using the arpeggiator to make a faux-strum blew my mind. it makes so much sense!
Great video Jeremy. I’ve been messing with a lot of these generative techniques a lot lately but you’ve also gave me a bunch of new ideas to use and showed me some new stuff. I love this generative workflow and trying to think modularly in ableton. Makes for some amazing tunes and fun as hell to do.
Amazing. Modular generative lessons have been coming about quite a bit. But I'm glad to see one from you on Ableton.
This is super inspiring!
This video is actually incredibly well-made. Thanks so much for that masterclass !
Thanks for sharing!
Learned a lot of things that I never think is possible!
This couldn’t have come at a perfect time. Big thanks for this 🙏
These are some great ideas! Thanks for sharing.
Yes! Thank you so much, I've been looking for something like this to help me make/understand generative ambient music, and how to better utilize probability function. I can generalize this to my Deluge and Digitakt as well!
Very cool tips - I especially love the strum effect with the de-sync'd arpeggiator!
Another fantastic Ableton tool for randomization/generative qualities is the MIDI Expression Control tool, which allows you to change MIDI and plugin variables on each MIDI note start depending on a variety of factors (velocity, pitch, etc.) - one of them is "random" and each of the variables can be changed to random. This is a fantastic way to change attack and decay of notes, filters, delay mix, and other things like that, with the change of every strike of a MIDI note - which also may be a % chance of happening (as seen in this video). This can lead to some very atmospheric/generative organic effects.
Interesting concepts very well explained, thanks for this!
Wooooo been waiting for this!!!
I've struggled to grasp the generative techniques in modular. But this explains it so well!
Thank you for this! Very clear explanation. I'm new on this ableton journey.
Oo I've been waiting for this!
So good! Thanks Jeremy. 🙌
I love these lessons Jeremy!
Awesome! And great tips. Thanks!
Really inspiring got many new ideas thanks!
Thank you so much for this. So well done.
This is incredibly helpful! One of your best educational videos ever imo. I just wish had not watched this at work. Now I have to wait 8 hours til I get to try this...
your the man. I wouldn't have got into hardware modular if it wasn't for your vcv rack lessons and these are epic too.
This is just ridiculously sick and easy to understand. Thank you very much for sharing. And, also, all the best music teachers on RUclips have cats in their videos. It is a fact.
This is overwhelmingly amazing. Actually makes me want to upgrade from Live 10 for the MIDI probability. So many good ideas in here, even for other musical contexts.
Thanks for the great tips! You can do the sampler trick with the chain selector in a rack, so you could also randomize things like effects chains too.
This is amazing, thank you Jeremy
Great video! I really like that you stuck to Ableton's built in tools.
jesus christ, this is absolutely genius
Thank you so much for these amazing ideas
This cured my production block. Thanks Jeremy!
This is awesome!
I just learned a lot !👍
Very well done! Thank you!
Great tutorial! Thanks alot! ♥️
This is great. A lot to learn here.
I am nominating "goingwan" to Webster's for 2022 word of the year. As in "What's goingwan here?"
But seriously you are an absolute sage, man. I love it when you teach us. I sincerely hope that the YT revenue and enticement to your Patreon makes the massive efforts it takes to publish a video of this length and this well done worth it. Because I love it, and armed with these tools, yes, I *will* have a wonderful day. 🙏
Nice video! That's exactly what I'm working on too!
This is the best video. More please.
That sample NASA pack sounds so so great!
Thanks for the tip!
Great stuff. I can recommend Dillon Bastan’s Strange Mod which gives you three related, chaotic / random parameters which can be mapped to anything. It’s awesome because the randomness is smooth rather than sample & hold quick changes. I LOVE it.
where did you find it? how did you manage to download it?
great video! your track it's really good, and it reminds me so much to some Brian Eno's tracks
Been looking for techniques like these to spruce up my tracks. Makes writing more random background parts for the minimal style of techno that I like writing.
Thank you, these are incredibly useful. I'm not using Live, but all the techniques transfer perfectly to Bitwig, sometimes directly. What surprised me in this vid is that I've always been approaching generative patches in a reversed order: start from random chaos and then shape it, sculpt it, scoop it, constrain it, to arrive at a hopefully interesting result. You're taking the opposite direction, starting from fixed notes on the piano roll which then get randomized and scattered in various ways. I totally need to try it your way!
Mxdmm
Incredible!!
Brah…. Freakin’ Fierce!!!
Thank you! 🙏
been a while since something made me want to switch from logic to ableton this bad... you can still do a lot of cool stuff in logic especially with the step sequencer (and if i'm not mistaken brian eno uses logic!) but man, the devices in live are so cool. great video as always, that idea of random notes into a simple chord generator into a quantizer was new to me and i'll be trying that soon for sure
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Thank you for your video, inspiration, and encouragement!!!
Thanks
sounds amazing...really clever...coupled with vcvrack...no need for hardware.......
LOVE this lesson. Omg you are amazing and THEN you threw in NASA samples!?!? (I’m a NASA kid btw) SWEET
You beautiful bastard. Video after video of quality!
Nice, I need to watch it after studying Math
Wonderful video! Thank you for that. Wondering if you might share your Ableton template of probably. It would be wonderful and profound to sit with it, while re-watching your video. Thank you so much.
Just found your channel....
Really nicely presented video, mate.... It seems we have a lot of the same tricks up our sleeves. ;o]
I have been wishing deeply (and pestering Ableton!) for Abe 12 to include 'chance groups' (i.e. the ability to group midi notes in a similar spirit to choke groups) where if one note is triggered all in that group within the same sequence get triggered. This would be so good for programming fills within generative compositions (especially snare & hat fills)....... Sadly my requests never made it into the new update.
I wonder if you ever came across a way to do similar........ I did do similar using duplicate clips w/follow actions, but it's a bit cumbersome. Nor does it translate to the 'sequence' view.
Anyway... SUB'D. 👍
eno is my hero
amazing, thanks for yet another great lesson. Where can i find that "POET - Eclectic Perc" sample pack?? I've been looking for it everywhere...
The company that made that pack was Samplified
Hey man, I love your videos! I have a quick question. What is AT2020 setup? I had alot of problems with my AT2020, it keeps cutting out or sometimes it doesn't even work (I use m-audio air 192/6 with it)
Hey! THANK YOU SO MUCH!! Great tutorial!! I know I can make my own NASA drum rack, but do you offer yours anywhere?
I wish Ableton would allow you to link a series of notes with a single probability.... Probability Groups?
That would be cool
I've accomplished this using clips and trigger actions... But yeah it would be cool!
I looove this kinda stuff.
Kinda curious what the computer specs are; this kind of thing chews up my old laptop.
i built an i9 a few years ago with a lot of ram. its not bleeding edge but its burly.
I imagine this being even more fun on a modular rack. Are all the techniques transferable?
absolutely yup
That is so fucking cool, is all of this able to be recreated in Ableton suite 10?
As a logic pro user, I wonder if these concepts are able to be found there?
I have a question, how can I record the automation output of the modulators so that I can capture a randomly generated section?
I clicked for the generator in the thumbnail
Could anyone help me with what the difference between standard and suite would be, specifically regarding the tools/ plugins he uses in this?
One of the most important tools for semi-generative music, LFO, is available only in Suite.
Don’t know if you mentioned this but what pack are the drums from?
How do you get those filters to move from left to right and right to left? I've been looking around for this, but no results so far...
This is really great. It would cost you about 6k to do this in trendy modular world. And stock devices too! Its kind of like generative Tycho
thats exactly the inspiration
Now I want a game engine (okay, a sound engine) that can let the composers do stuff like this.
Have you heard of Dreams for Playstation? That is exactly what you are looking for :)
For generative music - Bitwig. Can do generative songs even in one plugin. I’m using both and yeah, ableton a bit rigid for it. Bitwig just made for this sort of things.