I think PC gamers just aren't satisfied and never will be. Tech companies prey on this and manipulate them into thinking they need better. People were satisfied with Xbox 360/PS3 graphics for a long time. Truth be told. That 7800 xt that you mentioned, with lowered graphics presets, FSR 3.1 & FG, could run any game at 4k. But, the PC community won't be satisfied. They're just tricked constantly into thinking they need the next best thing. I have a RTX 4070 Desktop, RX 7700s Laptop and a PS4. I still play my PS4 more. While still appreciating my PCs.
2 years ago I sold an RTX 2070 S to a friend and he is still enjoying that video card. Any game is played without thinking about these details. Not all of us have the money to change our video cards once every two years...
It will have 24GB when the 3GB GDDR7 chips release. It will stay on a 256-bit bus but the chips will be 3GBx8 for 24GB instead of 2GBx8 for 16GB. It will probably be called the RTX 5080 Super. That's my guess.
32 gigs of drama is definitely needed for high end vr. I simrace in vr and Def need the 7090 already. Or the 25900xtxxx. I want to see max graphics in silky vr already.
Preface: I'm an ex-PC focused gamer, now a PlayStation, Nintendo and PC handheld gamer. What you're experiencing is the inevitable realization for PC gamers who arent into burning money on hardware every 2-3 years alongside their electricity bills. A lot of car tuning guys realize this too in the long run. Now i focus mostly on the game and expect their to be some sort of performance trade off. Perfection* isn't worth the price. Pro models for consoles and mid tier GPUs (eGPU for PC handhelds and mini-PCs) will give you a great gaming experience. Highend PC gaming is not worth the cost unless you think playing {insert videogame title here} at framerates past 60 at 1440-4k is worth spending $400-$800 on hardware every few year. If you had a kid who thought that way, you'd have to talk to them about finances and the value of being a couch potato in comparison to spending that money outside in the real world.
last time high end was worth it, was when gtx1080 was released. i still use it. it runs space marine 2. my PC pulls an average 120w, standby/light work, close to 300w on full. during winter, the heat the PC produces is just heat that i would otherwise need. my only regret was not getting the TI version so i had more vram
I remember my first GPU, an ATi All In Wonder Radeon 9800 Pro for $180. High end card that was maybe a couple years old at the time on clearance at FutureShop 😂 crazy how things change
In Germany, there is even a reviewer by Nvidia's grace who makes comparisons regarding memory management and says that 12GB of VRAM for Nvidia is basically like 16GB for AMD. Even better, DLSS is then an argument for saving VRAM and saving energy. He then always presents his system, in which basically everything is sponsored.
Nvidia board meeting "we can go to 16gig vram at a cost of $1.6bn, OR, Jensen can buy another neo from matrix coat $2k, Oakleys $428, do the robot dance in front of the investors again?"
Another phenomenon is that those who buy 4090s seem to be able to sell them for near msrp 2 years later. Good for them if so, but it means that people are essentially using these cards for way cheaper than their full cost, but those higher prices at the top end push prices up down the stack. And further down the stack good luck selling your card near msrp after two years.
You should now do a video on RDNA 4 gpus as now they are going with 9000 series branding and apparently the RX 9070 XT is the top RDNA 4 gpu. This is a reference to RX 5700 XT being the top end RDNA 1 gpu as well.
A console is supposed to be cheap that's the purpose of it $800 for a console and still depending on Devs for patches is insane. PC has always been expensive is not the same.
I will judge the cards when they are out & when we see independent testing. ZERO reason to worry about something that isn't available yet. I know im crazy, its cool
The fps insecurity and FOMO is real. People keep buying just to to feel good they have the biggest numbers(fps, benchmark scores, etc) despite diminishing returns in perceived improvements and value. The demand doesn't stop too because GPU performance has been scaling pretty well: ≈40%-70% a generation but tbh in reality, I have a feeling GPUs like RTX 2000 series from 2018 are sufficient for most people even in 2025.
A lot of people are going to sell their 4090s next year and advise anyone looking to buy used not to do so. A lot of 4090 owners were real quiet about their GPUs breaking and quietly sending it to someone for repair because they couldn't get the warranty for them approved.
I do actually prefer AMDs FG also over Nvidias I've defo had more issues with Nvidias FG, that's my balanced view Even a lot of Nvidia ppl prefer using AMDs so that's a plus and proof AMDs tech is improving Just need a better upscaler
I don’t think AMD has bad drivers. I have read some game developers say that they prioritize optimize their games for Nvidia. I have also heard from people that play the same game as me that some games simply won’t run correctly on AMD cards. It’s sad because I’d really prefer saving money by not buying Nvidia.
Indy exceeds 16GB of RAM with ultra settings and PT. Just decided I’m not getting a 5080. I’m finally seeing your point. Why pay $600 extra over an 8800XT if you can’t even do the thing you’re buying it for?
Exactly my friend. Nvidia’s cards are freaking awesome at launch when playing old games but dam they sure do not hold up long term. It's almost better to get them used when people upgrade then to pay full price at launch or simply buy them at the end of the generation when you know for sure what they are capable of
@@frogboyx1Gaming i gót fooled by nvidia 3 Times in a row lmao with Rtx 2070super Rtx 3070 OC and Rtx 4070super fiat two was quite fine but after i buy Rtx 3070 it wont lasted my more than 2 years cuz VRAM was only sadly 8gb and Rtx 4070super VRAM ie higher yes but power is not ideal and i need to use dlss IF i wanted to háve high fps around 100 and more in every new game that Come out Last year and this year very sad for 4070super call of gpu also i pay for it 729.99eur very expensive hut since i live in europe i have no Choice, also i get fed up with this and in apríl i bought the rx 7900gre and that i have in PC even now and it work great so far more VRAM 100eur cheaper and adrenalin software is just great compare to nvidia control panel or new nvidia app that dont work yet again. So what i lost well definitelly only dlss and well that is only issue i have with AMD gpu Like nvidia dlss upscaler and dlaa id perfect but amd fsr 3.1 still has a lot to chatách up really a lot but dlaa and fsr3.1 native are nôt that far apart while nvidia is more Sharp the fsr is al the tíme mutch more shart and some People prefer that while other dont i personally dont mind it cuz i Like details sharper also the fsr frame gen get you more fps and fsr in general živé you around 10 to 20% more fps IF anabled but with a lot less and worse visual quality sadly so this is only down side i find with AMD product and if someone tell me about RT i dont mind it cuz Rtx 4070 super is RT capavle gpu but it cant do RT properly Like it shoukd and fit that price Like it sold in EÚ i expected mutch more but again i was dissapointed so even with nvidia gpu i wasnt play with RT so in this case i dot care and well we can say that amd is also really nôt power efficient cuz mine Rtx 4070 super oc version get power draw around 200 to 220watts while my rx 7900gre oc version shoukd draw around 260 to 270watts well mine version is bitch and eat up to 310 watts which us crazy a lot maybe the most in stalker 2 in 1440p epic with fsr native and frame generation i gót regular 287watts to 310 watts its just crazy but i have very good results with this amd gpu its draw alot power yes but its háve amazing cooling and i have idea how they dit it but its stays at 56C max on gpu it self and 77C on gpu vrams so its great and the nvidia gpu draw less watts but háve same temps or even higher around 5 to 7C in stalker 2 so yeah also both gpus was 3 fan design and both from gigabyte and both was OC versions. So this is why i pick AMD this tíme and so far i dont regret it and i was scared but so far it great and no matter what gpu you buy but if it Works and you are happy with it thats the point cuz IF you buy overpriced piece of shit just with brand name and dont háve power they tell you it going to háve you fell bad.
Turn the texture cache setting down 1 notch and you're fine. Also they are still working on the PT version of the game. Ray reconstruction hasn't even shipped yet which will reduce VRAM usage by about 1GB. The idea that the 4080 can't play that game with PT is ignorant.
@@Phil_529the point is the card that isn’t released yet (5080) is already having to turn down settings. 16GB is too little for the 5080 at this point. It’s really shitty this is what Nvidia is releasing and because of that I won’t be buying one. I likely wouldn’t even be thinking twice if it were going to be 24GB.
@@strangedotmachine9281 Sure let's wait and see what is actually released. These leaks are always wrong and then they retroactively fix the stats on their website. I've been through many GPU launches. You're talking about specs and pricing as if it's been released.... Jan. 6th we'll know. Also it's rumored that they will be pushing neural texture compression. Do you still think 16GB is too low then? The whitepaper shows 16x the detail with ~30% smaller file size, I believe. It would be a huge change.
The pricing on the 5090 is probably going to be actually good value. I realize that seems wild when its going to cost so much, but much like the 4090, these top cards are basically professional at this state - aint no gamers needing 32gb of ram. They are monsters. If you are doing production work, or professional usage, then the cost is less than the actual nvidia production cards. The rest of the cards down the stack, yes, they are a scam. I saw the supposed 5080 pricing, and that will be DOA. I really hope AMD's upcoming cards are decent at a good price with plenty of vram - I'll be getting one if they can hit those points. Or my 3080 will hang around another generation lol.
Blackwell is not a gaming focused chip. It's built for Ai and gamers get the leftovers. Even the RTX 5090 is leftovers. It used to be the other way around. The datacenter chips were made with chips that were gaming focused and they were clocked lower but with more VRAM than the gaming cards. The best gaming card was better technically than the best quadro but the quadro was good at other things because nvidia crippled the gaming cards in certain respects using drivers so people would buy the uber expensive quadros.
We all never had an issue with Titans, or 3090s and the like because while they were the best performance they were terrible value and only made sense for those with money to burn. Now the 90 class cards are still stupidly expensive, but now their performance is much better than everything else. Thats it. Nvidia moved value to the highest end, in an immensly anti-consumer move.
The stock TDP for a 7900 XTX is somewhere around 355w, yes it can have high transience. AIB partners add factory OC which can balloon power draw to over 400w, and they do this for a few extra FPS over their competitors selling a 7900 XTX.
Many PC gamers with unlimited money will buy a 5090 just to say they have a 5090 for the next few years. Not bad to plan ahead if your into Nvidia, perhaps some games in a year or two will use more than 24 GB VRAM?
If it can't play on consoles they won't make it. Sadly the PS5 Pro is the only thing raising the bar. No games will use over 24gb of ram unless 8K becomes a thing.
Yeah I've got a 4080 hooked up to a TV. Im good. Once I get a 2x performance increase at a reasonable price, Ill jump in again. 4k/60-120 I'll be quite fine for a while if I tweak settings here and there. Since my TV also supports 1440p/144hz I can always just drop resolution. Being involved in the PC community just constantly creates FOMO, and trust me, you aint missing out.
You know how in cars and automobile industry theres things like Nissan Z GT500 and Nissan R390 with like only one seat and roll bars and no traffic lights, etc. because its a track racing car, its not meant for traffic or daily use. But theres the Nissan GTR the Skyline its like those racing cars but has seats, has airbags, ahs traffic signalization lights, etc. It can be used on the streets of Japan and German autobahn, and its fast, its a great automobile, but man its not a daily driver. You don't go to the supermarket in Nissan Skyline. Its not good for fuel economy, its not good for long drives to another country and like traveling, its not easy to find a parking spot, etc.
From what i've seen at 4K 16gb is ok atm but not great! Indiana Jones was the first game where I started thinking if we're going to see games push beyond it Veilguard is very close, sometimes it breaks using FG but most of the time it's playable I'm not sure if that is a DLSS FG issue or it's just using too much vram But it is very high usage of vram when it happens You can play it no problem without upscaling anyway and get good FPS However I don't like being locked out of a feature because running out of vram so I won't be happy if that starts to happen more and more Apart from that it's ok It really depends now and i'm interesting to see how rebirth performs on the 4080 Super 16gb & the XTX I'll be testing both in January on that game
@@frogboyx1Gaming DLSS is really good no complaints about that. But it does seem HDR with their DLSS FG is a lot worse for compatibility & just found it to not work as well in other games, feels like you get that stutter when it should be smoother I did watch that Moore's Law video last night that was worth a watch Said about DLSS 4 for the 5000 series so makes me think that will be the next feature they will lock ppl out with from the 4000 series Also watched Ancient gameplays video earlier about 1% lows being better in a fair few games even with the latest CPUs, I quoted that on X Good watch that I remember Hogwarts feeling more choppy on Nvidia and that shows why lol
@@frogboyx1Gaming I think they do it on purpose to try and get ppl to buy the 4090 or whatever That's why i've got a dislike for Nvidia mostly because of the vram stuff, 3000 series was a joke only giving the 3080 low vram also I think And especially the 3070 GPU I had with like 8GB The card was fast and in general Nividia cards are very fast The 4080 Super is but it's always the lack of vram that kill their GPUs early usually for max settings I think 16GB for the 4080 was actually a better allocation for their 80 series however when you compare to how low the 3080 vram was But the 3000 series was pretty bad anyway I think across the board for vram apart from the 3090
Froggy What are you on about? Firstly.... The 7800XT will run 4K for the rest of our life?? So why do you have a 7900XTX?? Wouldn't that be a pointless card if the 7800xt can run 4k perfectly for the next few decades? Secondly, what channels are you watching because... 40 series Nvidia.... The high end got massively slated for its pricing from day 1 and the low end got massively slated for low Vram and poor performance increase, even the 4070 didnt get praised untill the super version. So your very wrong. AMD sends cards out to creators as well as Nvidia does, they do it for maketing and coverage. Also any card above a 4070S or 7800xt blows the consoles out of the water, If you want to see a true comparison between your GPU and your console... on the PC... turn settings down to med-High, no ultra or extreme, the consoles dont use settings that high, render distance needs to be below 75% (being generous) dynamic resolution locked to 60 or 120 depending on your choice on console and for 4K with the PS5 use FSR.P and for the PS5Pro(high) and Series X(med) use FSR.Q. These are the closest to a 1 to 1 with console settings. So you are wrong the 4090 does destroy all consoles in every task. Seems like your point is... Yes Nvidia is the best, but do we need to tell people?! WTF? and the AMD driver issue was a past issue and they were bad, but that was then this is now. Console developed games tend to work better on AMD because that is the architecture it was designed on. And regardless of what you think about RT and DLSS, turn it all off and the 4080S is basically the same as a 7900XTX, at this point the only difference between them is the extra 12gb on the 7900XTX, but... AMD cards do use a little more Vram to acheive the same results and with the 4080S you can turn on the RT and DLSS is way better than FSR. And doesn't matter how you look at it, the 4090 IS 30% faster than the 7900XTX.
In the same video he says 16g is 1440p to him..but when it's on a 7800 it's a 4k card but not on the 4080. The 4080 is a way better 4k card than the xtx even he admitted the xtx is not as good at 4k..becuase of dlss. Just everywhere.
I mean its nvidia. No matter what you or I think they will sell and sell out within minutes to hours of the drop no matter what price they do. Nvidia is way way to big now to even be controlled by the communities opinions. Its that crazy with them and they power they have is that large. They aren't even as worried about use gamers as some may think. They are signing an 8billion dollar deal with Elon musk for 100k ai chips for him. I mean that's how big they are. So they will sell these for whatever they please. But luckily it won't be 3 or 4k like people think. The 5090 will be 1800 which was accidently leaked by zotac trinity which is usually close to the same price as the founders edition. The founders could be idneticla or a little less. Never more then an aib though at launch for more luckily. The 5080 looks like it will be the same price as the 4080. So its not more then most think its less.
same price with same vram means less value, or do you think a 5080 will perform the same as the 4080? (mind you, I also think 16gb on the 4080 is attrocious, should've been a 20gb card)
@TheRealDlo Those cards performance on current gen games aren't doing good enough numbers without dlss-fsr enabled. I can expect something like a 70 class Nvidia card to perform like that but those cards are 4080 super and it's competitor 7900xtx for around $1k or more at . (I mean like no lower than 60 fps to around 120 on average.)
I just buyed a 1500w nzxt c1500 psu and buy a 5090 when it releases,and sell my 4090,anyone buys what he want or what he can pay or would pay,i also hoped the gpu's where @ prices like 10-15y ago,but it is what it is.
I've looked at a lot of benchmarks, top of the line NVIDIA beats top of the line AMD in most metrics. I think NVIDIA makes better cards, but I settled for an AMD because it was cheaper. Sure, marketing is BS, but benchmarks are objective.
The problem as I see it, are the YT channels who get the latest and greatest for nothing, claim they're independent and are there for their "subscribers" but continue to tell us that the card we spent $700 on 12 months ago now sucks. That we need tensor cores, DLSS 32, frame generation, 512 GB of ram, blah, blah, blah. I have more respect for you, because you actually try both sides of the spectrum and have found a middle ground. All those channels have shown absolute contempt for the console crowd to the point where they regard them as 2nd class citizens. The PC master race has never seemed so true. So I spit in their face by continuing to keep my XBOX1X active. My series X and S and my PS5 are all active as well, as is my mid-range PC. Gaming Nirvana? Not really just a casual gamer who loves all forms of the electronic art and technology.
Hell yeah brother honestly if you Put these new consoles on a 1440p monitor you can barely tell a difference between a mid range PC and them these days. The consoles having 16gb of memory means the visual quality looks great and hitting 60fps delivers a comfortable gaming experience that is more than good enough
If you really buy the PC for your exact needs, FOMO wont get to you since you are already set up. Seeing those rumored prices its just bad for those folks who decided to upgrade with the 50 series. 5080, hard cut down, 16 gigs only at probably 1200+ bucks..Rediculous. I think AMD and Intel are the go to brands for actual value in 2025..
diehard Nvidia fanboys will buy the 5080 and 5090, meanwhile ill probably sell my 7900XTX and get one of AMD's new cards, since I been playing less games lately and don't really need the 7900XTX, I play most games at 60FPS and 1440p anyway now to keep the room from turning into an oven.. and most games have frame gen and upscaling which doesn't need a top end card to use.
I'm almost certain that none of the new AMD cards will outperform the 7900XTX. So maybe just save money for two more years so that you can buy the 60 or 600 class card for $900 in 2027.
3:21 here you say 16g vram on the 7800 will be able to run 4k forever. Now lets see you talk about 16g on the nvidia card... 12:01 "to me 16g vram is solid 1440p and high end 1440p" 😂😂😂 Caught in 4k being a hypocrite. Please dont take this guys content serious..see it for entertainment and comedy cus his trolling. Not real content guys.
@@OniiXGamingI don't know what to say man. Some idiot will go buy a ps5 pro or a xtx for path tracing because of these bone headed takes. Froggy got scammed by a Indian dude saying his name was Brian Nelson 😂..his not the smartest tool in the shed sometimes 😂😂
man, those people using mods on already superb looking games is wild, I use mods on 2010 backwards games, games from PS4 onwards? Damn just put them all on ultra and be happy with it.
Sir, it's not right to say that the high-end Nvidia cards are priced as they are because gamers keep buying them in large numbers. AI companies buy these cards by the thousands.
There are fanboys for every company in gaming , it’s just what it is unfortunately. also, if you have a 3080, you really didn’t need to upgrade to a 4000 series card, I skip every other generation, upgrading my GPU in 2 years from now. Most people just want the best performing card for the money they can buy. If the 8800XT is better than the 5070 and the RT performance is what the leaks say they are, it’s gonna do fantastic. For anyone that wants more than mid range , you have no choice but Nvidia and whatever price they want to charge. Most people in the high end will go with the $1000 5080, as AMD has no competition for that card this coming gen. The good news is that the AMD 9000 series UDNA1 that’s coming out in 2 years will be back to competing at the high end. (RDNA 4 is the last to be called that,AMD is unifying their arch next gen and going back to the high end).
It is "controlled opposition". I think a lot of influencers get paid for their salesman story. If money was not a problem I would have a quantum computer with top graphics for my gaming.
AMD is very good! Over the years a few flops. But from the 580 to the AMAZING value 5700xt they have been solid. Nvidia has the edge on RT and some software. If the 8800xt is close to the 4080 in RT and equivalent to 7900xtx in non RT, for $500 it will CRUSH. It will be just like Ryzen.
Yep teh big tech reviewees are ridiculous, they get everything for free and are already millionaires so they don't care abt 2500 dollar GPUs. I want a 500 dollar 4080 super level card but I doubt we will get one.
Unless I came into some insane inheritance, I can't see myself ever paying more than $400-600 TOPS on a GPU, spending over a grand for a gimped Nvidia GPU (I say this as somebody using a pre-built with a lower-end Nvidia GPU) to me is absolute insanity, at least for gaming alone. I could maybe understand if you do heavy production work (though I had thought Nvidia locked their proprietary "workstation" drivers to their Quadro etc. GPUs). I've always been pretty pragmatic when it comes to PC gaming hardware though, always looking for the price/performance sweet spot.
I think your missing the power draw argument. Take a UE5 game and a 4080 vs 7900xtx. Both GPU's running 45 fps 4k no upscale 4080@300w,7900xtx@400w.. Throw some upscale in and XTX s**ts itself so instead drop to medium and run 4080 with upscale, throw in some frame gen and hypothetically were at 120fps but the XTX has taken a hit to visuals, and still pulling 100w more power to do so. Go crazy and throw some RT in the mix and 4080 is now back to 60fps but were running 4k max settings with rt at 60 and game looks incredible and were pulling 300w. XTX however is at 10fps and pulling 400w and also still has that visual hit... If more power means more performance its generally no problem, when more power means less performance its gonna be criticized... For vram thats down to the individual to decide, believe it or not some people still decide to purposely play at 1080p or 1440p. The 5090 will be pushed into an expensive package, because that silicone cant be put into a $500 package just for gamers when it can be used in a 10k professional gpu, you dont have to like it just understand it.. That doesn't make it anti gamer, the fact is Nvidia could earn a way more money by just not giving the 5090 silicon to gamers at all..
I have been told multiple times now from the community that energy costs are the problem and sadly the cost to run a 400w Nvidia card is the same to run an 400w AMD card. Actually it's more for and Nvidia card because of the price mark up
@frogboyx1Gaming well I'm sure the people that say it's down to energy costs won't be running 5080s They probably run 4070s and will probably continue with something similar in the future..
@TkoddaLee I hope so, I know cuda cores aren't everything but if the leaked specs are to be believed it only has like 100 more than the 4080 super, way less than the 4090
Good sermon. Keeping the 5080 at 16 GBs seems like they are sadistically trolling their own customers. AI wise not sure which would be better 4 M4 Mac minis in a cluster or one 5090. The former uses a lot less power. Keeping any card 20 GB and over until proven otherwise.
You basically need 16gb for running LLM'S you can do it with 12gb but from what I have been reading is 16gb is the preferred minimum and anymore is much better like 20gb 24gb and 48gb VRAM is king for LLM'S
@@frogboyx1Gaming Here is a video on running a M4 mac mini cluster. 16 GB shared GPU/CPU memory on each. The energy efficiency is off the charts. When the Ultra version is released it should roughly have the same raster as a 7900XTX and you can stuff with GB after GB of memory. I still detest iOS as an OS, but credit were credit is due and macOS is a good OS. ruclips.net/video/GBR6pHZ68Ho/видео.html
"My ps5 upscaling from 680p to 4k with low/med pc settings is getting 60fps. Why cant a 4090 get 100fps at 4k "native" with ultra settings and full path tracing. They must be equal." "Time to go act like i hate dlss, because upscaling is evil. Man is sure love my pssr, it only looks worse than TAAu/fsr half the time."
Exactly. That is the feeling I get from most of those reviewers. Fake complaining. They will be happily recommending nvidia again because dlss and (soon) neural rendering, even if AMD card are bettter value
In general, the people who buy the top-end of the GPU stack don't tend to give too much thought to value/are e-peener shut-ins who just want the "best" at any cost because their specs act as a surrogate personality/are more popular streamers whose hardware costs are subsidized by hundreds of thousands or millions of simps. I remember a time when $650/700 was the absolute top of the stack and $300+ GPUs had a lot of performance for the money. Also, there are the ex-console gamers who got their first real job, have few/no financial obligations and spend all their discretionary income on their PC hardware - that few percent of the market will always exist, and companies like Nvidia will squeeze them as hard as they can, fortunately for them, that tiny minority aren't terribly bright/discerning so they'll put up with a lot.
@@frogboyx1Gaming Judging by my experiences with those people, I don't think they do. They are usually the ignorant people you are talking about who are just loyal to a given brand/have heard hearsay that a certain brand is the "best" but have little/no technical knowledge and can't justify why that is. These kind of people exist in every area of life, for every hobby, those with more money (or realistically, credit card debt) than sense.
13:12 because Nvidia are scum 😂 I have to admit Nvidia cornering the upscaling and rt market has really hurt pricing for gpus. I get where your coming from. I will say 16g is fine but not for a 5080..like its such a push to get you to a 5090. I get it man...this is what happens when a company gets the top spot.
Frog needs to stay away from nvidia & forget about the nvidia card… And just accept what he has. You don’t have to run and buy every thing you hear 👂 coming out..
Just like Im not a fan of the PS5 Pro, which I wanted to be with my return to the console realm, but I am not gullible enough to fall for the marketing and give money to Sony that isnt deserved on a failed product - I am equally not a fan of the PC world right now to give money to overpriced products that are not that impressive. I remember, for example, when the Nvidia 1080 Ti GPU was an incredible piece of product that was all horse power, well built, & priced properly that still in 2024 can run anything you throw at it. But times have changed for the big 3 players in the market, and "Gullible" is the keyword here. I am and will always be a fan of my wallet and buying tech that is truly innovative and worth all the bang for the buck. But, this is the time we are living in where companies are releasing products that do not deliver for a ridiculous overpriced price, and guess who buys them? Fan boys/girls because they are the easiest to emotionally manipulate. Unless you know 100% for a fact you're making money off all these ridiculous prices for products that dont deliver the bang for the buck, then sure, go ahead and invest because that investment is money in return. But if not, this mess we are in is not of my doing but of people who are too emotionally able to be manipulated. I always invest into tech products when the price is right and all of the patches and updates are completed so that I get the best bang for the buck for products that I actually value to do the job well. The continuous wanting to possess something first never has appealed to me, and it never will, for I do not care one bit if someone has something first that I don't have. This is why I personally always get the best tech I need to do the job I need it to be done for a better price that functions way better than it first launched by simply waiting and researching how well the product is. The goal is always save anywhere from $200 to $500 or more on any tech products I need and patience along with credits are the keyword. I own & invested into the 1080 Ti for $499 of its original price, 3080 Ti for $600 of its original price, and now the 4070 Ti super for $525 of its original price. And since I wanted to return to the realm of consoles with the PS5 Pro being a disappointment, I invested into the refreshed PS5 slim digital instead for $299. The takeaway is simple: Be a fan of your wallet no matter how much you love a company so they know who runs the show always - you do the customer. Be patient, do the research, wait for a sale, and always build credits for extra cash off any sales you want to snag.
I cant, The mouth smacking is bad like not even 1:12 into the video it's 3 times ive heard it, I have to unsub Its like you run out of breath and then i hear "SMACK" and that's all talk structure people tend to do that when they lose breathe while talking and they regain. Im just one person but geez its annoying to the ears like im trying to listen to your content but i dont wanna hear "SMACK" every few mins or so its a huge throw off ngl
Nope IF prices are gonna be samé as in rumors than acording to nvidia im gonna bé too broke so ill také AMD OR INTEL well IF intel introduce b770 or b780 and its gonna look good.
Nvidia are taking the piss tbh forcing thier worshipping fans to buy top tier hardware as the mid tier has massive cuts to VRAM and power in comparison. I don’t know what I will do just yet but I won’t be buying Nvidia
Its AMD fault though. They are not competition. They cant release a card with next gen features. Amd came to the car race in a horse and cart..thats their fault their trash.
Maybe not that bad but Nvidia is kind of the luxury version so they can ask a higher price. Radeon is Toyota, Nvidia is Lexus. RTX 50 will likely have new AI features that Radeon won't have.
Bruh it's amd sending stuff to techtubers to hype up their products..only on utube amd is the best not in real life ... n dlss upscaling actually is a loot better than pathetic fsr. Amd has a long way to go in the gpu space n it's funny some time ago amd were planning to acquire nvidia.
😂😂😂 Nvidia sale to the PC market is only 18% the 82% it from the big corporations and data center we not even the 25% and in the GPU market Nvidia hold around 80% market
Think that's what annoyed me when lots say AMD is crap when it's not As I said I had a very solid gaming experience on AMD I had a night out with two of my cousins Wednesday, one loves Cyberpunk and the other is more into esports, loves football So I recommended Nvidia to my Cyberpunk loving cousin and AMD to the football lover cousin Thankfully they didn't trash AMD, the cousin who likes Cyberpunk is older than me and said when he used to buy his parts he bought AMD more because it was cheaper and he found it to be alright I think it depends on how open minded you are really, but you're right Nvidia always will get the most shill even when AMD actually does a solid job imho
So dont buy the 5090 Frog. Your part of the problem. You say Nvidia are bad and dont buy it...next minute your saying your buying the 5090. Stick by your morals no path tracing and fsr. Amd is so useless they cant give their number one shill (you Froggy 😂)a gpu. Amd give this man a GPU!
Wow. This video is very subjective, ignores facts, speculates, and makes assumptions about "fake complaining". Nvidia's tech (DLSS, ray tracing, etc.) is objectively and measurably better. That's a fact. Nvidia, in most people's opinion, is overpriced. Nvidia can have superior technology and AMD and Intel can not be trash simultaneously. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I've seen HUB, LTT, GN, Paul's Hardware, JayzTwoCents, and others show the real statistics (objective facts) and still recommend AMD and Intel Arc Battlemage. HUB in particular has been very outspoken about VRAM on Nvidia parts as have Digital Foundry. Nvidia'a ray tracing tech is superior as is their DLSS upscaling tech. Nvidia is also overpriced and sometimes anti consumer and shady in their business practices. AMD and Intel have also been anti consumer. None of these companies are your friend. Watch multiple reviews, read multiple sources, and make the decision that works for your use case. This video is sensational and at times nonfactual.
It's definitely subjective my friend I get that its perceived as better but for someone like me that absolutely believes that AMD delivers a better gaming experience I have to disagree.
Honestly, i do understand the console point of him. When i built my pc back in days with a 7900x3d and a 4070 super i was expecting magic like 4k and high to extreme setting but it was more like a 1440p dlss balanced and high settings. In that case just get a ps5 pro. It looks very neat on a 4k screen. Also pssr looks better than fsr 3.1 already and its just come out. When i upgraded to my 4080 super than i was more on the place where i wanted to be but than the question is it really wort 3k ? Maybe yes maybe no. Or just grab a pro console and enjoy playing. I rather would take a console than get a mid range pc with 7800xt or 4070 super.
@ exactly for a much lower price. £650in uk and a mid gen pc what u can upgrade down the line will be £1400 minimum and u will have to tweak the setting all the time to run the game over 60fps. Thats why the pro can compete there.
I think he bought a prebuilt with a 4070 and didn’t like it…tat was probably his mistake for buying a prebuilt when he could’ve spent the same money and build one better
@@frogboyx1Gaming no but there's alot with consoles i've been trying to mention :O 4090 is definitely a 4K card same with the 7900xtx (based off games that were out when they released) however we are also talking about NATIVE 4K and 1440p. Consoles use dynamic resolution at all times, and rarely stay at 1440p let alone 4K :O plus the upscaling ontop of that. Consoles do not run Native 4K
The AMD driver issue some notes. In 2023 they where solid. But 2024 had been a mess. And this is not coming from a random person. AMD themselves have listed 2 dozen games released this year that had crashing issues in driver patch notes. They have listed tons more with issues revolving around Volumetrics, transparency effects and global illumination. I do agree we should look at real world use case. People looking at "native" raster only benchmarks is dated and ignorant... If a 4070 Super at 1440p DLSS quality has better image quality and performance than a 7900 xtx at 1440p "native". That should be taken into account. And that's before we turn on RT. That 4070 Super can get 60fps at 1440p high with high hardware RT settings DLSS quality in games like Black Myth Wukong, Indiana Jones ECT. Now I get the xtx could turn on fsr and regain the performance lead, but then it's losing by an even larger gap in image quality. Then then 4070 Super could drop to DLSS balanced even the performance out and still look better. PC gaming is a balance of performance and image quality. One company gives and option that improves both at the same time Not having dedicated AI or RT cores is hurting the aging of AMD cards more than the extra vram is helping. Go to Techpowerup look up some recent current gen only titles. Games like Silent Hill 2, Black Myth Wukong, Veilguard, GoWR, Star Wars Outlaws. You'll see the 12gb 4070 super crushing the GRE. It's very close and sometimes surpassing the 20gb 7900xt in these recent titles. AMD skimping on basic modern hardware is making them age like milk. If the 2060 and b580 can have basic hardware then why can't the xtx.
Okay so what if I told you I could run my 7900XTX at 4k 60fps use AFMF to get to a stable 120fps at 9ms of latency then downsample to 1440p that would look better and run better than the 4070 super
@frogboyx1Gaming I would say you don't understand how frame generation works and you would be getting significantly worse image quality with breakup, ghosting and the issues of everything being under any HUD element being rendered at native frame rate when using fluid motion frames. And these HUD elements are often transparent and cover large sections of the screen. And it's not just that they are off synced being half the frame rate it also creates a shimmering glowing edge. I like having good image quality. I'm not going to race to the bottom destroying image quality in everyway possible just to make an xtx have equal performance quality and image quality to a much cheaper GPU.
Natively at 120fps the best case frame time is 8-9ms. That's with zero other system or input latency. Typically you'd be around 20ms with reflex at that frame rate, 50ms without. But fluid motion frames you will be at your native 60fps latency. Which would be 16ms best case. Typically close to 60ms total system latency (30ms with reflex). Frame time and latency are not the same thing. A frame time chart at 120fps would show 8-9ms. But that's the time between frames, not the system latency.
It not because they get it for free it because AMD can’t compete with Nvidia they have no competition so they can dictate they GPU market….AMD best card 7900xtx is equivalent of a 4080
I think PC gamers just aren't satisfied and never will be. Tech companies prey on this and manipulate them into thinking they need better.
People were satisfied with Xbox 360/PS3 graphics for a long time. Truth be told.
That 7800 xt that you mentioned, with lowered graphics presets, FSR 3.1 & FG, could run any game at 4k. But, the PC community won't be satisfied. They're just tricked constantly into thinking they need the next best thing.
I have a RTX 4070 Desktop, RX 7700s Laptop and a PS4. I still play my PS4 more. While still appreciating my PCs.
360/PS3 were absolute garbage to anyone on PC at the time. The 8800GTX was legendary and stomped all over those consoles.
😂😂😂 console player is alrdy demanding 60 fps 4K alrdy on most games but it impossible for the price of $1000 and below
Honestly I think people get too obsessed with hardware. Turn the frame counter off and enjoy a game every now and then.
Exactly
@@frogboyx1Gamingno, i want to max the settings out and i want more vram. NVIDIA TAKE MY MONEY!!!
2 years ago I sold an RTX 2070 S to a friend and he is still enjoying that video card. Any game is played without thinking about these details. Not all of us have the money to change our video cards once every two years...
@ these ppl should get jobs.
best advice in 2025 do your own research and know what you want.
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5080 should have at least 24 GB of vram. 16 GB is just outrageous, that's a 1440p card.
Exactly , you can get 24vram for 800 dollars now brand new
It will have 24GB when the 3GB GDDR7 chips release. It will stay on a 256-bit bus but the chips will be 3GBx8 for 24GB instead of 2GBx8 for 16GB. It will probably be called the RTX 5080 Super. That's my guess.
32 gigs of drama is definitely needed for high end vr. I simrace in vr and Def need the 7090 already. Or the 25900xtxxx. I want to see max graphics in silky vr already.
Preface: I'm an ex-PC focused gamer, now a PlayStation, Nintendo and PC handheld gamer.
What you're experiencing is the inevitable realization for PC gamers who arent into burning money on hardware every 2-3 years alongside their electricity bills. A lot of car tuning guys realize this too in the long run.
Now i focus mostly on the game and expect their to be some sort of performance trade off. Perfection* isn't worth the price. Pro models for consoles and mid tier GPUs (eGPU for PC handhelds and mini-PCs) will give you a great gaming experience.
Highend PC gaming is not worth the cost unless you think playing {insert videogame title here} at framerates past 60 at 1440-4k is worth spending $400-$800 on hardware every few year. If you had a kid who thought that way, you'd have to talk to them about finances and the value of being a couch potato in comparison to spending that money outside in the real world.
last time high end was worth it, was when gtx1080 was released. i still use it. it runs space marine 2. my PC pulls an average 120w, standby/light work, close to 300w on full. during winter, the heat the PC produces is just heat that i would otherwise need. my only regret was not getting the TI version so i had more vram
😂😂😂u funnie u say EX pc focused gamer but u still have a pc handheld nothing different
I remember my first GPU, an ATi All In Wonder Radeon 9800 Pro for $180. High end card that was maybe a couple years old at the time on clearance at FutureShop 😂 crazy how things change
I wish cards were still affordable like that.
In Germany, there is even a reviewer by Nvidia's grace who makes comparisons regarding memory management and says that 12GB of VRAM for Nvidia is basically like 16GB for AMD. Even better, DLSS is then an argument for saving VRAM and saving energy.
He then always presents his system, in which basically everything is sponsored.
@hrbt78 yeah because amd usually has more vram to allocate so it uses more
Right
I assure you that a 16gb AMD card will run smoother than a 12gb Nvidia card
Which youtuber is that?
@@frogboyx1Gaming Obviously if it runs out of vRAM. At 4K and even at 1440p 12GB is kind of cutting it close.
Nvidia board meeting "we can go to 16gig vram at a cost of $1.6bn, OR, Jensen can buy another neo from matrix coat $2k, Oakleys $428, do the robot dance in front of the investors again?"
Leo from KitGuru was talking about how brutal Nvidia can be about making sure they get a positive review.
Another phenomenon is that those who buy 4090s seem to be able to sell them for near msrp 2 years later. Good for them if so, but it means that people are essentially using these cards for way cheaper than their full cost, but those higher prices at the top end push prices up down the stack. And further down the stack good luck selling your card near msrp after two years.
The power supply you will need for it is pretty crazy lol
Right
You should now do a video on RDNA 4 gpus as now they are going with 9000 series branding and apparently the RX 9070 XT is the top RDNA 4 gpu. This is a reference to RX 5700 XT being the top end RDNA 1 gpu as well.
I just recently upgraded my old pc that had a i5-2500k and a radeon R390 to a lap top. Im all set for another 10 years 😂👍
It's not "falling for it" .. the marketing is designed to short circuit reason and dilute intuition. It's biogically designed to be near inescapable.
The clowns who attacked the 700 bucks console will praise the nvidia 5000 series prices clown world.
A console is supposed to be cheap that's the purpose of it $800 for a console and still depending on Devs for patches is insane. PC has always been expensive is not the same.
@@OniiXGaming Here we have the clown congrats 😂
@@mrX666-s9p is not the same but yeah. I have no time to go back and forward with low IQ people.
Yeah you paid more money for the same performance though or at the very least minimal improvement. Oh and the prices for these are bad as well
@@djstef4549yup nvida has no place to judge Sony
I will judge the cards when they are out & when we see independent testing.
ZERO reason to worry about something that isn't available yet.
I know im crazy, its cool
The fps insecurity and FOMO is real.
People keep buying just to to feel good they have the biggest numbers(fps, benchmark scores, etc) despite diminishing returns in perceived improvements and value.
The demand doesn't stop too because GPU performance has been scaling pretty well: ≈40%-70% a generation
but tbh in reality, I have a feeling GPUs like RTX 2000 series from 2018 are sufficient for most people even in 2025.
Got a RX 7800 XT for 460 EUR. Very smooth experience so far and plenty of power even in 4k...
A lot of people are going to sell their 4090s next year and advise anyone looking to buy used not to do so.
A lot of 4090 owners were real quiet about their GPUs breaking and quietly sending it to someone for repair because they couldn't get the warranty for them approved.
I do actually prefer AMDs FG also over Nvidias
I've defo had more issues with Nvidias FG, that's my balanced view
Even a lot of Nvidia ppl prefer using AMDs so that's a plus and proof AMDs tech is improving
Just need a better upscaler
FSR4 is coming and it will definitely be interesting to see how well it performs
@@frogboyx1Gaming Yeah think it's meant to come to Black Ops 6 first
Strong disagree. I'd never use FSR FG over DLSS FG. The experience is worse. The image smears more and the input latency is higher.
You are 100% spot on!
I don’t think AMD has bad drivers. I have read some game developers say that they prioritize optimize their games for Nvidia. I have also heard from people that play the same game as me that some games simply won’t run correctly on AMD cards. It’s sad because I’d really prefer saving money by not buying Nvidia.
There are more important things in life than the newest Nvidia chipset.
Indy exceeds 16GB of RAM with ultra settings and PT. Just decided I’m not getting a 5080. I’m finally seeing your point. Why pay $600 extra over an 8800XT if you can’t even do the thing you’re buying it for?
Exactly my friend. Nvidia’s cards are freaking awesome at launch when playing old games but dam they sure do not hold up long term. It's almost better to get them used when people upgrade then to pay full price at launch or simply buy them at the end of the generation when you know for sure what they are capable of
@@frogboyx1Gaming i gót fooled by nvidia 3 Times in a row lmao with Rtx 2070super Rtx 3070 OC and Rtx 4070super fiat two was quite fine but after i buy Rtx 3070 it wont lasted my more than 2 years cuz VRAM was only sadly 8gb and Rtx 4070super VRAM ie higher yes but power is not ideal and i need to use dlss IF i wanted to háve high fps around 100 and more in every new game that Come out Last year and this year very sad for 4070super call of gpu also i pay for it 729.99eur very expensive hut since i live in europe i have no Choice, also i get fed up with this and in apríl i bought the rx 7900gre and that i have in PC even now and it work great so far more VRAM 100eur cheaper and adrenalin software is just great compare to nvidia control panel or new nvidia app that dont work yet again. So what i lost well definitelly only dlss and well that is only issue i have with AMD gpu Like nvidia dlss upscaler and dlaa id perfect but amd fsr 3.1 still has a lot to chatách up really a lot but dlaa and fsr3.1 native are nôt that far apart while nvidia is more Sharp the fsr is al the tíme mutch more shart and some People prefer that while other dont i personally dont mind it cuz i Like details sharper also the fsr frame gen get you more fps and fsr in general živé you around 10 to 20% more fps IF anabled but with a lot less and worse visual quality sadly so this is only down side i find with AMD product and if someone tell me about RT i dont mind it cuz Rtx 4070 super is RT capavle gpu but it cant do RT properly Like it shoukd and fit that price Like it sold in EÚ i expected mutch more but again i was dissapointed so even with nvidia gpu i wasnt play with RT so in this case i dot care and well we can say that amd is also really nôt power efficient cuz mine Rtx 4070 super oc version get power draw around 200 to 220watts while my rx 7900gre oc version shoukd draw around 260 to 270watts well mine version is bitch and eat up to 310 watts which us crazy a lot maybe the most in stalker 2 in 1440p epic with fsr native and frame generation i gót regular 287watts to 310 watts its just crazy but i have very good results with this amd gpu its draw alot power yes but its háve amazing cooling and i have idea how they dit it but its stays at 56C max on gpu it self and 77C on gpu vrams so its great and the nvidia gpu draw less watts but háve same temps or even higher around 5 to 7C in stalker 2 so yeah also both gpus was 3 fan design and both from gigabyte and both was OC versions. So this is why i pick AMD this tíme and so far i dont regret it and i was scared but so far it great and no matter what gpu you buy but if it Works and you are happy with it thats the point cuz IF you buy overpriced piece of shit just with brand name and dont háve power they tell you it going to háve you fell bad.
Turn the texture cache setting down 1 notch and you're fine. Also they are still working on the PT version of the game. Ray reconstruction hasn't even shipped yet which will reduce VRAM usage by about 1GB. The idea that the 4080 can't play that game with PT is ignorant.
@@Phil_529the point is the card that isn’t released yet (5080) is already having to turn down settings. 16GB is too little for the 5080 at this point. It’s really shitty this is what Nvidia is releasing and because of that I won’t be buying one. I likely wouldn’t even be thinking twice if it were going to be 24GB.
@@strangedotmachine9281 Sure let's wait and see what is actually released. These leaks are always wrong and then they retroactively fix the stats on their website. I've been through many GPU launches. You're talking about specs and pricing as if it's been released.... Jan. 6th we'll know.
Also it's rumored that they will be pushing neural texture compression. Do you still think 16GB is too low then? The whitepaper shows 16x the detail with ~30% smaller file size, I believe. It would be a huge change.
Sadly they aren't providing a card that can sandwich in between the 80/90. The 80 series card is pretty much cut in half of the 90.
Then? 4080 has 80% of 4090s performance, not 50%, let's wait for reviews.
If you do more than game, the value for the high-end cards is definitely there.
Absolutely I agree.
The pricing on the 5090 is probably going to be actually good value. I realize that seems wild when its going to cost so much, but much like the 4090, these top cards are basically professional at this state - aint no gamers needing 32gb of ram. They are monsters. If you are doing production work, or professional usage, then the cost is less than the actual nvidia production cards. The rest of the cards down the stack, yes, they are a scam. I saw the supposed 5080 pricing, and that will be DOA. I really hope AMD's upcoming cards are decent at a good price with plenty of vram - I'll be getting one if they can hit those points. Or my 3080 will hang around another generation lol.
Blackwell is not a gaming focused chip. It's built for Ai and gamers get the leftovers. Even the RTX 5090 is leftovers. It used to be the other way around. The datacenter chips were made with chips that were gaming focused and they were clocked lower but with more VRAM than the gaming cards. The best gaming card was better technically than the best quadro but the quadro was good at other things because nvidia crippled the gaming cards in certain respects using drivers so people would buy the uber expensive quadros.
We all never had an issue with Titans, or 3090s and the like because while they were the best performance they were terrible value and only made sense for those with money to burn. Now the 90 class cards are still stupidly expensive, but now their performance is much better than everything else. Thats it. Nvidia moved value to the highest end, in an immensly anti-consumer move.
They sure did. Honestly a 90 series card only makes sense if you are into AI at this point.
I’ll be fine with my 4070 strix card Nvidia has lost they’re damn minds 🤨🤦🏾♂️
The stock TDP for a 7900 XTX is somewhere around 355w, yes it can have high transience. AIB partners add factory OC which can balloon power draw to over 400w, and they do this for a few extra FPS over their competitors selling a 7900 XTX.
Many PC gamers with unlimited money will buy a 5090 just to say they have a 5090 for the next few years. Not bad to plan ahead if your into Nvidia, perhaps some games in a year or two will use more than 24 GB VRAM?
If it can't play on consoles they won't make it. Sadly the PS5 Pro is the only thing raising the bar. No games will use over 24gb of ram unless 8K becomes a thing.
Yeah I've got a 4080 hooked up to a TV. Im good. Once I get a 2x performance increase at a reasonable price, Ill jump in again. 4k/60-120 I'll be quite fine for a while if I tweak settings here and there. Since my TV also supports 1440p/144hz I can always just drop resolution. Being involved in the PC community just constantly creates FOMO, and trust me, you aint missing out.
I feel you. Hold out as long as you can.
Exactly what I'm thinking. Another 2 years it will be interesting to see where amd and intel are at too. Just a bad time to buy imo.
If no one competes at the high end, Nvidia can charge whatever they want. The way I see it, it's fine if they milk people with more money than sense.
You know how in cars and automobile industry theres things like Nissan Z GT500 and Nissan R390 with like only one seat and roll bars and no traffic lights, etc. because its a track racing car, its not meant for traffic or daily use.
But theres the Nissan GTR the Skyline its like those racing cars but has seats, has airbags, ahs traffic signalization lights, etc. It can be used on the streets of Japan and German autobahn, and its fast, its a great automobile, but man its not a daily driver.
You don't go to the supermarket in Nissan Skyline.
Its not good for fuel economy, its not good for long drives to another country and like traveling, its not easy to find a parking spot, etc.
From what i've seen at 4K 16gb is ok atm but not great!
Indiana Jones was the first game where I started thinking if we're going to see games push beyond it
Veilguard is very close, sometimes it breaks using FG but most of the time it's playable
I'm not sure if that is a DLSS FG issue or it's just using too much vram
But it is very high usage of vram when it happens
You can play it no problem without upscaling anyway and get good FPS
However I don't like being locked out of a feature because running out of vram so I won't be happy if that starts to happen more and more
Apart from that it's ok
It really depends now and i'm interesting to see how rebirth performs on the 4080 Super 16gb & the XTX
I'll be testing both in January on that game
Yeah It really makes you wonder what is going on with Nvidia's tech and the choices they make for allocation of VRAM on their cards.
@@frogboyx1Gaming DLSS is really good no complaints about that. But it does seem HDR with their DLSS FG is a lot worse for compatibility & just found it to not work as well in other games, feels like you get that stutter when it should be smoother
I did watch that Moore's Law video last night that was worth a watch
Said about DLSS 4 for the 5000 series so makes me think that will be the next feature they will lock ppl out with from the 4000 series
Also watched Ancient gameplays video earlier about 1% lows being better in a fair few games even with the latest CPUs, I quoted that on X
Good watch that
I remember Hogwarts feeling more choppy on Nvidia and that shows why lol
@@frogboyx1Gaming I think they do it on purpose to try and get ppl to buy the 4090 or whatever
That's why i've got a dislike for Nvidia mostly because of the vram stuff, 3000 series was a joke only giving the 3080 low vram also I think
And especially the 3070 GPU I had with like 8GB
The card was fast and in general Nividia cards are very fast
The 4080 Super is but it's always the lack of vram that kill their GPUs early usually for max settings
I think 16GB for the 4080 was actually a better allocation for their 80 series however when you compare to how low the 3080 vram was
But the 3000 series was pretty bad anyway I think across the board for vram apart from the 3090
Froggy What are you on about? Firstly.... The 7800XT will run 4K for the rest of our life?? So why do you have a 7900XTX?? Wouldn't that be a pointless card if the 7800xt can run 4k perfectly for the next few decades? Secondly, what channels are you watching because... 40 series Nvidia.... The high end got massively slated for its pricing from day 1 and the low end got massively slated for low Vram and poor performance increase, even the 4070 didnt get praised untill the super version. So your very wrong. AMD sends cards out to creators as well as Nvidia does, they do it for maketing and coverage. Also any card above a 4070S or 7800xt blows the consoles out of the water, If you want to see a true comparison between your GPU and your console... on the PC... turn settings down to med-High, no ultra or extreme, the consoles dont use settings that high, render distance needs to be below 75% (being generous) dynamic resolution locked to 60 or 120 depending on your choice on console and for 4K with the PS5 use FSR.P and for the PS5Pro(high) and Series X(med) use FSR.Q. These are the closest to a 1 to 1 with console settings. So you are wrong the 4090 does destroy all consoles in every task. Seems like your point is... Yes Nvidia is the best, but do we need to tell people?! WTF? and the AMD driver issue was a past issue and they were bad, but that was then this is now. Console developed games tend to work better on AMD because that is the architecture it was designed on. And regardless of what you think about RT and DLSS, turn it all off and the 4080S is basically the same as a 7900XTX, at this point the only difference between them is the extra 12gb on the 7900XTX, but... AMD cards do use a little more Vram to acheive the same results and with the 4080S you can turn on the RT and DLSS is way better than FSR. And doesn't matter how you look at it, the 4090 IS 30% faster than the 7900XTX.
Well said…
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He is an AMD fan and tries to diminish the Nvidia cards. Although he is right on the prices.
4090 30% faster but more than double the price💔
In the same video he says 16g is 1440p to him..but when it's on a 7800 it's a 4k card but not on the 4080.
The 4080 is a way better 4k card than the xtx even he admitted the xtx is not as good at 4k..becuase of dlss.
Just everywhere.
3:18 mark and 11:58 he is talking the 5080 and see his take its not enough for 4k... really highlights your point.
I mean its nvidia. No matter what you or I think they will sell and sell out within minutes to hours of the drop no matter what price they do. Nvidia is way way to big now to even be controlled by the communities opinions. Its that crazy with them and they power they have is that large. They aren't even as worried about use gamers as some may think. They are signing an 8billion dollar deal with Elon musk for 100k ai chips for him. I mean that's how big they are. So they will sell these for whatever they please. But luckily it won't be 3 or 4k like people think. The 5090 will be 1800 which was accidently leaked by zotac trinity which is usually close to the same price as the founders edition. The founders could be idneticla or a little less. Never more then an aib though at launch for more luckily. The 5080 looks like it will be the same price as the 4080. So its not more then most think its less.
I think he bought a prebuilt with a 4070 and didn’t like it but he could’ve spent the same money and built a better one
same price with same vram means less value, or do you think a 5080 will perform the same as the 4080? (mind you, I also think 16gb on the 4080 is attrocious, should've been a 20gb card)
Frog, We already know what you are about to do. You gonna buy a RTX 5000 series and start 💩 on it for the clicks sadly.
I mighty just stick with AMD this generation and not even by an Nvidia card
@frogboyx1Gaming FOMO will get you. But we already know the outcome of you getting one. 😂
What's bad is the low VRAM on the 5080.
And the price for it
@@JayzBeerz let's one think if it really is a great problem in game loading, because the whole industry would have moved higher at this stage.
What part don’t you’ll understand that Amd cards use more vram then nvidia.
criminal really, especially with how VRAM demanding AAA titles are getting now
They have left a big juicy gap for a mid Gen 4080Ti if they want is my best guess.
I'm not going to upgrade to high end on either Nvidia or AMD if those cards still need ai upscaling just to get consistent 60-120 fps.
That's a very general comment & not accurate for many titles
@TheRealDlo Those cards performance on current gen games aren't doing good enough numbers without dlss-fsr enabled. I can expect something like a 70 class Nvidia card to perform like that but those cards are 4080 super and it's competitor 7900xtx for around $1k or more at . (I mean like no lower than 60 fps to around 120 on average.)
EVERYTHING is a marketing strategy. Everything.
If the 5070 is 12 gb of vram I might aswel cash out and get a 4070 ti super
Either that or the 5070 Ti if it actually has 16GB going by rumors.
I just buyed a 1500w nzxt c1500 psu and buy a 5090 when it releases,and sell my 4090,anyone buys what he want or what he can pay or would pay,i also hoped the gpu's where @ prices like 10-15y ago,but it is what it is.
I've looked at a lot of benchmarks, top of the line NVIDIA beats top of the line AMD in most metrics. I think NVIDIA makes better cards, but I settled for an AMD because it was cheaper. Sure, marketing is BS, but benchmarks are objective.
The problem as I see it, are the YT channels who get the latest and greatest for nothing, claim they're independent and are there for their "subscribers" but continue to tell us that the card we spent $700 on 12 months ago now sucks. That we need tensor cores, DLSS 32, frame generation, 512 GB of ram, blah, blah, blah. I have more respect for you, because you actually try both sides of the spectrum and have found a middle ground. All those channels have shown absolute contempt for the console crowd to the point where they regard them as 2nd class citizens. The PC master race has never seemed so true. So I spit in their face by continuing to keep my XBOX1X active. My series X and S and my PS5 are all active as well, as is my mid-range PC. Gaming Nirvana? Not really just a casual gamer who loves all forms of the electronic art and technology.
Hell yeah brother honestly if you Put these new consoles on a 1440p monitor you can barely tell a difference between a mid range PC and them these days. The consoles having 16gb of memory means the visual quality looks great and hitting 60fps delivers a comfortable gaming experience that is more than good enough
If you really buy the PC for your exact needs, FOMO wont get to you since you are already set up. Seeing those rumored prices its just bad for those folks who decided to upgrade with the 50 series. 5080, hard cut down, 16 gigs only at probably 1200+ bucks..Rediculous. I think AMD and Intel are the go to brands for actual value in 2025..
Yeah I'm probably looking into AMD in 2025 as well(and I say this as someone who mainly buys Nvidia).
@@masterlee1988 hope you don't play too much old games on your system or you may settle up for some unsettling surprises.
I’m staying tuned for the next frog episode 😂
I gave you a thumbs 👍 🆙 frog
Your content makes me laugh….
It’s like watching a comedy 😂🤣🎥🎬🍿🎦📽️🎞️
Well I am happy to entertain you
diehard Nvidia fanboys will buy the 5080 and 5090, meanwhile ill probably sell my 7900XTX and get one of AMD's new cards, since I been playing less games lately and don't really need the 7900XTX, I play most games at 60FPS and 1440p anyway now to keep the room from turning into an oven.. and most games have frame gen and upscaling which doesn't need a top end card to use.
I'm almost certain that none of the new AMD cards will outperform the 7900XTX. So maybe just save money for two more years so that you can buy the 60 or 600 class card for $900 in 2027.
@@riel0563would agree. I’d wait til UDNA version of the xtx.
3:21 here you say 16g vram on the 7800 will be able to run 4k forever.
Now lets see you talk about 16g on the nvidia card...
12:01 "to me 16g vram is solid 1440p and high end 1440p"
😂😂😂
Caught in 4k being a hypocrite.
Please dont take this guys content serious..see it for entertainment and comedy cus his trolling. Not real content guys.
This video doesn't make sense at all. RTX titan class is always expensive.
@@OniiXGamingI don't know what to say man. Some idiot will go buy a ps5 pro or a xtx for path tracing because of these bone headed takes.
Froggy got scammed by a Indian dude saying his name was Brian Nelson 😂..his not the smartest tool in the shed sometimes 😂😂
Cyberpunk with mods is pushing past 20gb on my 7900XTX
Exactly you need VRAM headroom
man, those people using mods on already superb looking games is wild, I use mods on 2010 backwards games, games from PS4 onwards? Damn just put them all on ultra and be happy with it.
Sir, it's not right to say that the high-end Nvidia cards are priced as they are because gamers keep buying them in large numbers. AI companies buy these cards by the thousands.
They are designed for the AI companies but Nvidia sends them to gamers to create FOMO
There are fanboys for every company in gaming , it’s just what it is unfortunately. also, if you have a 3080, you really didn’t need to upgrade to a 4000 series card, I skip every other generation, upgrading my GPU in 2 years from now.
Most people just want the best performing card for the money they can buy. If the 8800XT is better than the 5070 and the RT performance is what the leaks say they are, it’s gonna do fantastic.
For anyone that wants more than mid range , you have no choice but Nvidia and whatever price they want to charge. Most people in the high end will go with the $1000 5080, as AMD has no competition for that card this coming gen. The good news is that the AMD 9000 series UDNA1 that’s coming out in 2 years will be back to competing at the high end. (RDNA 4 is the last to be called that,AMD is unifying their arch next gen and going back to the high end).
I feel like the majority of mainstream pc youtubers criticize nvidia tho
Ill be getting the 5090 day one.
It is "controlled opposition". I think a lot of influencers get paid for their salesman story. If money was not a problem I would have a quantum computer with top graphics for my gaming.
I wouldn't doubt it.
AMD is very good! Over the years a few flops. But from the 580 to the AMAZING value 5700xt they have been solid. Nvidia has the edge on RT and some software. If the 8800xt is close to the 4080 in RT and equivalent to 7900xtx in non RT, for $500 it will CRUSH. It will be just like Ryzen.
I seriously doubt that AMD can afford to sell 4080 Super power for 500 bucks though I would think 650 minimum
AMD make better CPU then GPU
Yep teh big tech reviewees are ridiculous, they get everything for free and are already millionaires so they don't care abt 2500 dollar GPUs. I want a 500 dollar 4080 super level card but I doubt we will get one.
5060 Ti 16GB for FHD 5070 12GB/5080 16GB
I'd rather have more VRAM
Don't buy em. Too expensive.
Unless I came into some insane inheritance, I can't see myself ever paying more than $400-600 TOPS on a GPU, spending over a grand for a gimped Nvidia GPU (I say this as somebody using a pre-built with a lower-end Nvidia GPU) to me is absolute insanity, at least for gaming alone. I could maybe understand if you do heavy production work (though I had thought Nvidia locked their proprietary "workstation" drivers to their Quadro etc. GPUs). I've always been pretty pragmatic when it comes to PC gaming hardware though, always looking for the price/performance sweet spot.
I think your missing the power draw argument.
Take a UE5 game and a 4080 vs 7900xtx.
Both GPU's running 45 fps 4k no upscale 4080@300w,7900xtx@400w..
Throw some upscale in and XTX s**ts itself so instead drop to medium and run 4080 with upscale, throw in some frame gen and
hypothetically were at 120fps but the XTX has taken a hit to visuals, and still pulling 100w more power to do so.
Go crazy and throw some RT in the mix and 4080 is now back to 60fps but were running 4k max settings with rt at 60 and game looks incredible and were pulling 300w.
XTX however is at 10fps and pulling 400w and also still has that visual hit...
If more power means more performance its generally no problem, when more power means less performance its gonna be criticized...
For vram thats down to the individual to decide, believe it or not some people still decide to purposely play at 1080p or 1440p.
The 5090 will be pushed into an expensive package, because that silicone cant be put into a $500 package just for gamers when it can be used in a 10k professional gpu, you dont have to like it just understand it..
That doesn't make it anti gamer, the fact is Nvidia could earn a way more money by just not giving the 5090 silicon to gamers at all..
I have been told multiple times now from the community that energy costs are the problem and sadly the cost to run a 400w Nvidia card is the same to run an 400w AMD card. Actually it's more for and Nvidia card because of the price mark up
@frogboyx1Gaming well I'm sure the people that say it's down to energy costs won't be running 5080s
They probably run 4070s and will probably continue with something similar in the future..
Let me know when Nvidia returns their prices back to 2019.
I'm switching to AMD. Done!
Yeah I'm mostly going AMD next at this point.
i dont mind 16gb 5080 as long as we get 16gb card price. if its anywhere near 4090 performance at 4080 price range i consider that a win.
That's how I feel
The 5080 will be the same performance as the 4090 and the 5090 will be the top card
@TkoddaLee I hope so, I know cuda cores aren't everything but if the leaked specs are to be believed it only has like 100 more than the 4080 super, way less than the 4090
Good sermon. Keeping the 5080 at 16 GBs seems like they are sadistically trolling their own customers. AI wise not sure which would be better 4 M4 Mac minis in a cluster or one 5090. The former uses a lot less power. Keeping any card 20 GB and over until proven otherwise.
You basically need 16gb for running LLM'S you can do it with 12gb but from what I have been reading is 16gb is the preferred minimum and anymore is much better like 20gb 24gb and 48gb VRAM is king for LLM'S
@@frogboyx1Gaming Here is a video on running a M4 mac mini cluster. 16 GB shared GPU/CPU memory on each. The energy efficiency is off the charts. When the Ultra version is released it should roughly have the same raster as a 7900XTX and you can stuff with GB after GB of memory. I still detest iOS as an OS, but credit were credit is due and macOS is a good OS. ruclips.net/video/GBR6pHZ68Ho/видео.html
@robertmyers6488 that is quite impressive honestly
Gospel! Truer words have never been spoken!
We fall for it cause it's our addiction 😢
"My ps5 upscaling from 680p to 4k with low/med pc settings is getting 60fps. Why cant a 4090 get 100fps at 4k "native" with ultra settings and full path tracing. They must be equal."
"Time to go act like i hate dlss, because upscaling is evil. Man is sure love my pssr, it only looks worse than TAAu/fsr half the time."
I don’t care either way 7900 Gpu is going to last at least 5-7 years. By that time. I might not even need a Gpu and game just on a APU by Amd
Exactly. That is the feeling I get from most of those reviewers. Fake complaining. They will be happily recommending nvidia again because dlss and (soon) neural rendering, even if AMD card are bettter value
It just seems like super fake outrage
In general, the people who buy the top-end of the GPU stack don't tend to give too much thought to value/are e-peener shut-ins who just want the "best" at any cost because their specs act as a surrogate personality/are more popular streamers whose hardware costs are subsidized by hundreds of thousands or millions of simps. I remember a time when $650/700 was the absolute top of the stack and $300+ GPUs had a lot of performance for the money. Also, there are the ex-console gamers who got their first real job, have few/no financial obligations and spend all their discretionary income on their PC hardware - that few percent of the market will always exist, and companies like Nvidia will squeeze them as hard as they can, fortunately for them, that tiny minority aren't terribly bright/discerning so they'll put up with a lot.
I definitely understand that but lets be honest those people usually know and fully understand exactly what they are buying right.
@@frogboyx1Gaming Judging by my experiences with those people, I don't think they do. They are usually the ignorant people you are talking about who are just loyal to a given brand/have heard hearsay that a certain brand is the "best" but have little/no technical knowledge and can't justify why that is. These kind of people exist in every area of life, for every hobby, those with more money (or realistically, credit card debt) than sense.
When we buy the 5090 our PC is built not prebuilt so we can customize it however we want
Honestly the price for the 5090 is expensive! Not motivated to spend money on gaming for long time!
It’s definitely a premium price for a premium card!
RDNA4 $600 little slower than 4070ti super, see you in two weeks.
13:12 because Nvidia are scum 😂
I have to admit Nvidia cornering the upscaling and rt market has really hurt pricing for gpus.
I get where your coming from.
I will say 16g is fine but not for a 5080..like its such a push to get you to a 5090.
I get it man...this is what happens when a company gets the top spot.
Frog needs to stay away from nvidia & forget about the nvidia card…
And just accept what he has. You don’t have to run and buy every thing you hear 👂 coming out..
Just like Im not a fan of the PS5 Pro, which I wanted to be with my return to the console realm, but I am not gullible enough to fall for the marketing and give money to Sony that isnt deserved on a failed product - I am equally not a fan of the PC world right now to give money to overpriced products that are not that impressive. I remember, for example, when the Nvidia 1080 Ti GPU was an incredible piece of product that was all horse power, well built, & priced properly that still in 2024 can run anything you throw at it. But times have changed for the big 3 players in the market, and "Gullible" is the keyword here. I am and will always be a fan of my wallet and buying tech that is truly innovative and worth all the bang for the buck. But, this is the time we are living in where companies are releasing products that do not deliver for a ridiculous overpriced price, and guess who buys them? Fan boys/girls because they are the easiest to emotionally manipulate. Unless you know 100% for a fact you're making money off all these ridiculous prices for products that dont deliver the bang for the buck, then sure, go ahead and invest because that investment is money in return. But if not, this mess we are in is not of my doing but of people who are too emotionally able to be manipulated.
I always invest into tech products when the price is right and all of the patches and updates are completed so that I get the best bang for the buck for products that I actually value to do the job well. The continuous wanting to possess something first never has appealed to me, and it never will, for I do not care one bit if someone has something first that I don't have. This is why I personally always get the best tech I need to do the job I need it to be done for a better price that functions way better than it first launched by simply waiting and researching how well the product is. The goal is always save anywhere from $200 to $500 or more on any tech products I need and patience along with credits are the keyword. I own & invested into the 1080 Ti for $499 of its original price, 3080 Ti for $600 of its original price, and now the 4070 Ti super for $525 of its original price. And since I wanted to return to the realm of consoles with the PS5 Pro being a disappointment, I invested into the refreshed PS5 slim digital instead for $299.
The takeaway is simple: Be a fan of your wallet no matter how much you love a company so they know who runs the show always - you do the customer. Be patient, do the research, wait for a sale, and always build credits for extra cash off any sales you want to snag.
That is some very sound advice my friend I greatly appreciate the feedback.
PC will still be joke over price Grfx cards, buggie games. I'll take my PS5 Pro and Switch 2 any day over joke PC.
I feel like now you’re trying to find something to complain about. If a person doesn’t wanna do the research that’s not your problem
I cant, The mouth smacking is bad like not even 1:12 into the video it's 3 times ive heard it, I have to unsub
Its like you run out of breath and then i hear "SMACK" and that's all talk structure people tend to do that when they lose breathe while talking and they regain. Im just one person but geez its annoying to the ears like im trying to listen to your content but i dont wanna hear "SMACK" every few mins or so its a huge throw off ngl
8800XT is slower than 7900XTX. Radeon fans get no upgrade this gen. Gotta wait 2 more years or switch to Nvidia. That's gotta sting a bit.
It will be like the 5700xt. Til they go to UDNA
i dont upgrade every 2 years... i couldnt care less atm
8800XT will have very similar performance to a 4080 and better ray tracing.
i am thinking of upgrading my 2080 so the 8800xt looks really nice to me.
@@TheBontekraaijust wait for udna it’s gonna be in the ps6
Nope IF prices are gonna be samé as in rumors than acording to nvidia im gonna bé too broke so ill také AMD OR INTEL well IF intel introduce b770 or b780 and its gonna look good.
100% agree
stupid people always ruining it for everyone else
Nvidia are taking the piss tbh forcing thier worshipping fans to buy top tier hardware as the mid tier has massive cuts to VRAM and power in comparison. I don’t know what I will do just yet but I won’t be buying Nvidia
I have 2 computers because nvidia is better with some games I also have AMD because AMD is better at some games lets face it both do make good GPU'S.
I abide and agree 🤘
Its AMD fault though. They are not competition. They cant release a card with next gen features.
Amd came to the car race in a horse and cart..thats their fault their trash.
Maybe not that bad but Nvidia is kind of the luxury version so they can ask a higher price. Radeon is Toyota, Nvidia is Lexus. RTX 50 will likely have new AI features that Radeon won't have.
@johnc8327 actually a good analogy.
@@johnc8327 💯
Bruh it's amd sending stuff to techtubers to hype up their products..only on utube amd is the best not in real life ... n dlss upscaling actually is a loot better than pathetic fsr. Amd has a long way to go in the gpu space n it's funny some time ago amd were planning to acquire nvidia.
Play nice with nvidia and they'll hook you up!
Right
Just ignore Nvidia. Go fishing
😂😂😂 Nvidia sale to the PC market is only 18% the 82% it from the big corporations and data center we not even the 25% and in the GPU market Nvidia hold around 80% market
Think that's what annoyed me when lots say AMD is crap when it's not
As I said I had a very solid gaming experience on AMD
I had a night out with two of my cousins Wednesday, one loves Cyberpunk and the other is more into esports, loves football
So I recommended Nvidia to my Cyberpunk loving cousin and AMD to the football lover cousin
Thankfully they didn't trash AMD, the cousin who likes Cyberpunk is older than me and said when he used to buy his parts he bought AMD more because it was
cheaper and he found it to be alright
I think it depends on how open minded you are really, but you're right Nvidia always will get the most shill even when AMD actually does a solid job imho
So dont buy the 5090 Frog. Your part of the problem. You say Nvidia are bad and dont buy it...next minute your saying your buying the 5090.
Stick by your morals no path tracing and fsr.
Amd is so useless they cant give their number one shill (you Froggy 😂)a gpu.
Amd give this man a GPU!
He doesn’t do hardware and pc benchmarks don’t think AMD will give him a card for free
He did the greatest AMD promotion ever with his Avatar benchmark 😂. Made a 4070 into a 4030 😂😂@@TkoddaLee
@@c523jw7😂😂😂 waaaatttt I need to watch tat then
@TkoddaLee the comments section people lost it 😂😂
@@TkoddaLee😂
Wow. This video is very subjective, ignores facts, speculates, and makes assumptions about "fake complaining". Nvidia's tech (DLSS, ray tracing, etc.) is objectively and measurably better. That's a fact. Nvidia, in most people's opinion, is overpriced. Nvidia can have superior technology and AMD and Intel can not be trash simultaneously. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I've seen HUB, LTT, GN, Paul's Hardware, JayzTwoCents, and others show the real statistics (objective facts) and still recommend AMD and Intel Arc Battlemage. HUB in particular has been very outspoken about VRAM on Nvidia parts as have Digital Foundry. Nvidia'a ray tracing tech is superior as is their DLSS upscaling tech. Nvidia is also overpriced and sometimes anti consumer and shady in their business practices. AMD and Intel have also been anti consumer. None of these companies are your friend. Watch multiple reviews, read multiple sources, and make the decision that works for your use case. This video is sensational and at times nonfactual.
It's definitely subjective my friend I get that its perceived as better but for someone like me that absolutely believes that AMD delivers a better gaming experience I have to disagree.
Honestly, i do understand the console point of him. When i built my pc back in days with a 7900x3d and a 4070 super i was expecting magic like 4k and high to extreme setting but it was more like a 1440p dlss balanced and high settings. In that case just get a ps5 pro. It looks very neat on a 4k screen. Also pssr looks better than fsr 3.1 already and its just come out. When i upgraded to my 4080 super than i was more on the place where i wanted to be but than the question is it really wort 3k ? Maybe yes maybe no. Or just grab a pro console and enjoy playing.
I rather would take a console than get a mid range pc with 7800xt or 4070 super.
Exactly PS5 Pro is basically in line with a Midrange PC perception wise
@ exactly for a much lower price. £650in uk and a mid gen pc what u can upgrade down the line will be £1400 minimum and u will have to tweak the setting all the time to run the game over 60fps. Thats why the pro can compete there.
Broke boy talk. Ur desperate to get a free gpu from nividia
Absolutely not LOL
i dont know what you mean by how the 4090 isnt blowing away consoles :O it is lol, can i ask what you mean further?
I think he bought a prebuilt with a 4070 and didn’t like it…tat was probably his mistake for buying a prebuilt when he could’ve spent the same money and build one better
The 4090 is essentially a 1440p card when using all its features.
@@frogboyx1Gaming no but there's alot with consoles i've been trying to mention :O 4090 is definitely a 4K card same with the 7900xtx (based off games that were out when they released) however we are also talking about NATIVE 4K and 1440p. Consoles use dynamic resolution at all times, and rarely stay at 1440p let alone 4K :O plus the upscaling ontop of that. Consoles do not run Native 4K
The AMD driver issue some notes. In 2023 they where solid. But 2024 had been a mess. And this is not coming from a random person. AMD themselves have listed 2 dozen games released this year that had crashing issues in driver patch notes. They have listed tons more with issues revolving around Volumetrics, transparency effects and global illumination.
I do agree we should look at real world use case. People looking at "native" raster only benchmarks is dated and ignorant...
If a 4070 Super at 1440p DLSS quality has better image quality and performance than a 7900 xtx at 1440p "native". That should be taken into account. And that's before we turn on RT. That 4070 Super can get 60fps at 1440p high with high hardware RT settings DLSS quality in games like Black Myth Wukong, Indiana Jones ECT. Now I get the xtx could turn on fsr and regain the performance lead, but then it's losing by an even larger gap in image quality. Then then 4070 Super could drop to DLSS balanced even the performance out and still look better.
PC gaming is a balance of performance and image quality. One company gives and option that improves both at the same time
Not having dedicated AI or RT cores is hurting the aging of AMD cards more than the extra vram is helping. Go to Techpowerup look up some recent current gen only titles. Games like Silent Hill 2, Black Myth Wukong, Veilguard, GoWR, Star Wars Outlaws. You'll see the 12gb 4070 super crushing the GRE. It's very close and sometimes surpassing the 20gb 7900xt in these recent titles. AMD skimping on basic modern hardware is making them age like milk. If the 2060 and b580 can have basic hardware then why can't the xtx.
Okay so what if I told you I could run my 7900XTX at 4k 60fps use AFMF to get to a stable 120fps at 9ms of latency then downsample to 1440p that would look better and run better than the 4070 super
@frogboyx1Gaming I would say you don't understand how frame generation works and you would be getting significantly worse image quality with breakup, ghosting and the issues of everything being under any HUD element being rendered at native frame rate when using fluid motion frames. And these HUD elements are often transparent and cover large sections of the screen. And it's not just that they are off synced being half the frame rate it also creates a shimmering glowing edge.
I like having good image quality. I'm not going to race to the bottom destroying image quality in everyway possible just to make an xtx have equal performance quality and image quality to a much cheaper GPU.
Natively at 120fps the best case frame time is 8-9ms. That's with zero other system or input latency. Typically you'd be around 20ms with reflex at that frame rate, 50ms without. But fluid motion frames you will be at your native 60fps latency. Which would be 16ms best case. Typically close to 60ms total system latency (30ms with reflex).
Frame time and latency are not the same thing. A frame time chart at 120fps would show 8-9ms. But that's the time between frames, not the system latency.
Great comment.
Sounds like you are a AMD fan boy miffed thar your choice is second place, and that is about it.
I am definitely pro AMD my friend. It's an amazing value for what I get out of it.
It not because they get it for free it because AMD can’t compete with Nvidia they have no competition so they can dictate they GPU market….AMD best card 7900xtx is equivalent of a 4080
The pro is overpriced but these gpus arent? 😂
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@@Ballagun😂😂😂 ur console is only to play game PC is used to create the game u play 😂😂😂