I make clothes and one thought I've had is that if I made a size 8 dress, it tends to fit a pretty good majority of size 8 ladies. If I make a size 18 dress, it is harder for that one dress to fit as many size 18 ladies. Why? Most ladies who are size 8 have smaller differences in ratios from breast, waist, hip and girth to each other. A size 8 dress may fall above, at or below the knees and may be a bit tight or loose along the breast, waist and hip area, but generally, they can squeeze in there. They are more or less kinda the same silheoutte. But on size 18 ladies, there are vast differences as to breast, waist, hip and girth. One lady may have very little in the chest area and all booty and the one next to her may be a polar opposite. Two ladies may both have a size 38 waist, but one carries it in the front and the other more equally distributed. The shifts in where the weight lies are VERY varied as opposed to the smaller sizes where differences between ladies of the same size are not as great. As a result, the number of potential buyers for any single dress will be higher for the smaller sized ladies since it will fit correctly on more ladies, than any single dress design for larger size ladies. Does that make sense?
Curandera99 I completely agree with what you just said,and i thought of the exact same thing.My friend is heavy and when we go shopping together it is so hard for her to find clothes.She weights 240 pounds and she is 5foot5.I weight 140 pounds and I'm also 5foot5.But the weird thing is i wear size 7-9 pants and she wears size 1-3 pants.Her leggs and butt are soo small compared to mine but where she carries her weight it is all at the top.So for her to find a dress it is a nightmare!The thing is it all depends where you carrie your weight so thats why it is harder for plus size women to find clothes because even if you have the same weight as somebody else doesn't mean you are the same shape.I really wish tho that stores and designers would make a bigger effort in trying to include everybody even if that means more work.
Thank you SOOO much for this! You're post is the first I've seen that ACTUALLY EXPLAINS what and why a sample size is. I was so excited to finally understand that I just ran out into my living room to explain it to my husband too. Thank you!
I agree with everything you say. Models don't need to be 'fat' to promote different body types. People in the middle- like sizes 4 to 8- are probably the healthiest but are very rarely shown in fashion commercials.
I used to love fashion; I would read every magazine, I would go shopping every week, meticulously put together outfits. Due to a serious illness and an intense steroid plan, I gained about 80 pounds several years ago and hit a size 14 and since then my love for fashion has completely disappeared. I wear sweats at every opportunity and avoid shopping at all costs. Representation matters, feeling welcome in a store matters, knowing you can find your size in a store absolutely matters. I hope that I can fall back in love with fashion one day- it sucks to have something you loved be so impossible to enjoy.
I am 5'2.5, size 8-10 and it's really hard to find (mostly) jeans that fit good I don't even wanna think how hard is to everyone that is 12-14 or 16, or even more. It's really unfair that high fashion forgets that not everyone is size XS.
I think the fantasy of being skinny tall and white is ironically the thing hurting the brands. As a person who's on the chubbier side, pretty busty and pretty short I don't relate whatsoever to those models running around. There's nothing about those models that feel relatable or like a better version of myself. In an ad, when there's such a limited amount of time, appearance is really the only thing a company has to establish a connection to the consumer. When people who look like me aren't represented, I don't feel envious; I'm just not interested in buying what they have to sell.
I just don't understand why there has to be a separate part of a store with completely different clothes when it comes to plus size clothing, like why can't there be cute clothing and it be just another size w the rest of the clothes. Like s, m, l, xl, 2x etc. I don't shop in the plus size section but I am a size L and it sucks to see this is how plus size clothing/modeling is treated
Bullshit. Starving when you are not a child and not meant to be built like one is even MORE unhealthy and that saw about models being "hangers" has been used as an excuse for too long. We are all "healthy" as we are...and HAPPY leads to HEALTHY too.
I hate the way they do this in department stores! It feels like they're shaming larger sizes. But! I am a fashion design student and from technical sewing experience, I've found that if I sew something for a size 8, I can't just up the seam allowance to make it fit a 14. It will not fit well! It's important to make beautiful clothing that plus sizes will also feel good in. Sometimes they have to do completely different designs from small to plus.
Isnt it, that if someone is really big, maybe they dont want to show as much of their body? I mean if i gain five pounds, i dont want to wear bodycon anymore.
I have been marathoning your videos; they're so interesting! I love how honest you are and how you can look at a topic from many angles + you're speaking style is to the point and never boring! I really agree with your opinions and can't wait to see more. Also I didn't know you went to FIT!! I'll be there in the fall and can't wait. Keep up the great content!
Hmm. I'm not sure. The honest question is how many rich fat women do you see? You see rich fat men but as soon as a woman becomes rich she's spending her money on expensive personal trainers and surgeons. Any woman who has the money to drop on a 2k dollars dress also has money to drop on liposuction as well, which they tend to do; and it's that simple. Why would companies that sell dresses for 1.7k waste their money on advertising and diversifying their fashion brand to women who cannot even afford their dresses when they know that most of the rich and established women who can afford them tend to be thin? The reality is that designers do not want their clothes to be easily accessible. This is why designers mark their bags up to 3k when they no normal person can afford them. When these bags were cheaper and ended up in the hands of many in the situations of knock-offs, you wouldn't always question a knock-off if you thought that someone might have been able to afford $400 on a designer bag. When a bag is $4k and you see a normal person with it, you know it's a knock-off. Designers WANT their pieces to be exclusive. If these designers wanted their bags or dresses to be on everyone they'd make it easy for everyone to attain (which would diminish quality but thats an entirely other story), but the reality is that most brands don't WANT fat, poor, non-white people in their clothes. They're upholding a standard associated with bureaucracy. It's sad but true. Fashion doesn't need to be defended in this case. With fashion it's about exclusivity. To those in the comments talking about the lack size diversity, how many of you would be able to afford full priced Balmain? And I'm not saying that in a cheeky way, I'm saying this in a realism way. Fashion's philosophy all around is about keeping it in the hands of the few. If being fat was associated with wealth in addition to it being considered a rarity, as it is in some countries, fashion would cater to fat people the most.
What a narrow-minded and awefully specific way of thinking. There are also other brands that aren't luxury ones, why not talk about them making a move for plus sized people?
What we really need to know is the body measurements that each garment for sale is designed to fit. And the clothing manufacturers should widely publish the body measurements that each size is designed to fit.
Fat women aren't buying nice clothes for two reasons: Firstly, a large number of them are literally being told by those ads that the only way to look pretty is to be skinny, not to dress well. This created a sort of rift between the industry and larger women. For skinny women, the ads are encouraging them to buy nice clothes. For fat women, the ads are saying "you'll never look like this, no matter what you wear". This causes a lot of fat women to literally not care/not want to try and dress well because they're told that's not the key to looking pretty or hot, the key is being skinny. The second issue is the sizes. The fat women I know who are actually trying to be fashionable tend to buy their clothes from indie brands/thrift shops/make the clothes themselves because of the lack of sizes offered by mainstream brands. Even when a big brand provides all the sizes, the clothes just aren't designed to work on larger bodies. Not only are there no sizes and the clothes aren't designed for fat women, but fat women also don't have the same access to the fashion world as skinny women do. Skinny women grow up reading magazines telling them how to dress, what make-up to wear, what accessories to match with their look, etc. and most of those tips don't work for someone who is fat. Basically, the fashion industry has been actively alienating a large group of potential customers (more than half of all women) just because they can't be arsed to try and appeal to a more diverse base. If we also take into account the lack of racial diversity, the lack of environmental awareness and other serious issues within the industry, it's pretty easy to see why it's a complete mess at this point. Society is moving forwards and the fashion industry is just consistently failing to follow suit. Either it gets its shit together ASAP or we're going to see the death and rebirth of an entire industry during our generation. I'm not even sure which one I'd rather, to be honest.
For campaigns, covers, editorials YES!! But for runways NO. Designers do not have the enough time or money to make a dress in many different sizes. If they try to make it happen they can't make 3 collections in a year.
That's bullshit the perception is the clothes lay better on stick thin model. They literally want them to be walking hangers but everyone knows what looks good on a hanger doesn't always look good on
the one size they mostly use is 36. 36 and 38 are healthy sizes (one could argue the healthiest). if a model looks like a "hanger" that's probably because she's below the size, like a 34 or even 32. also, when you're super tall you're usually skinny as well
I mean it's easier to make clothes for slim people, because skinny people look kinda the same I mean when you measure them whereas fat people store their fat in different places, someone can have big thighs and someone can be overall skinny but be fat on the face and the stomach so it's harder to dress those people....
About that... I'm a size 0 and there is nothing to buy. Some countries have made my size illegal to sell - and that's prejudice at it's best . I'm not anorexic, I'm just 5'5' and have no hips. Never could I find a dress that fits me, and all my jeans look baggy until I tailor the shit out of them. The reason models are skinny is because they are a sample size. Skinny looks about the same, while there are many types of plus size bodies - bigger hips, bigger tummy, broader shoulders... So it's easier to just use skinny models. Just stop comparing yourself to models, because their look is their job. Also I think fashion should include more athletic bodies and quit the plus size crap all together, just find a healthier sample size maybe. It is not fashion industry's job to work on your self esteem, that's your job. I wonder what would happen If they made size 16 illegal, as they did with my size.
Models are just walking mannequins/hangers. Designers want their clothes on skinny hangers. As haute couture and higher end fashion go bigger sizes mean more work, more expensive fabric, etc etc. also if a designer does a campaign with larger models no one is going to pay attention to the clothes all eyes will be on the model.
Love your fashion content, it's very refreshing. The issue of size in fashion as you said is this idea of fantasy, and how we are accustomed to associating slender, hourglass figure as something to aspire to. I'm wondering though if it is what we biologically thrives for, or is the tv/media conditioning us to have these almost impossible desires (etc. Teenagers getting anorexia bc of seeing models in magazine)
Enough of this, if anything all industries should be promoting healthy lifestyle. 14 is definitely FAT and THEN SOME. I am so offended with this "I'm big", no, you're not big, you're overeating on crap! Being over weight introduces all sorts of health risks. And I'm not saying being fat is ugly, many people look so much better when fat as opposed to skinny, but being overweight should never be considered a default.
Yeah but you see for some being size 14 isn’t really a choice and when they force themselves to become smaller and thinner, THAT becomes unhealthy. The entire standardisation of sizes by numbers like 6,8, 14 is a very Western world concept and can’t be applied to all ethnicities. So saying being size 14 is the same as being fat is kinda incorrect.
Personally, I think it is ok to keep the thin models in commercials and shows to lure in the customers. BUT just make bigger sizes too :) As a plus size girl, I don't mind skinny models and it definitely would make me buy things from them more just as you explained - just make the bigger sizes, it's ok!
No it is not, I'm not into slim people AT ALL. But this thing "size" is a joke, we need to realize it is height, and body shape. You can be tall and slim and still have very wide hips, or shoulders, or a small head, big head, long arms... the list is endless. And not everyone puts on muscles or fat in the exact same proportion. First brand that starts to actually write down for what shape the garment is made for will sell shit tons of stuff because you won't need to try on so many garments that don't look good on you.
Most of the time, i don't love buying clothes that are shown on super thin models because I know it'll look different on my body and I don't wanna take the risk.
I run a small Etsy shop where I sell customized denim pieces that I thrift and I always try to include plus sizes whenever I can but I wish I knew some plus size girls who would be willing to model for me 😭 idk anyone irl whose bigger and confident enough - cause we never see any real plus size representation so plus size girls are afraid they’ll get made fun of for modeling
I agree with the idea of models being beautifull and everybodys dream BUT i do not like when people think beautifull is equal to skinny and tall. Every size can be beautifull ( + and normal ) Love you btw x
not true. obesity is not beautiful and promoting it is not cute and empowering. loving yourself and making and effort to at least be a healthy size is what you should make you feel empowered and proud.
No I'm not saying that, but it's actions that show you love yourself not words. I'm by no means saying that only skinny people love themselves and are beautiful, that's not true, but when you're obese and obviously eating yourself to death and you choose to say "well fuck it, I'm going to keep doing that because I love myself", no, that's not self love that's doing the worst possible thing to your body and yourself.
+Medee I'm so tired of this fat=unhealthy story. It's simply not true ALL the time. I work in a hospital and I have seen plenty of slim/skinny people suffer from 'obesity-related' illnesses, ranging from heart disease to stroke. I also know overweight people who exercise and eat well much of the time. No one, apart from a person's personal physician, can comment on someone's weight and its relationship to their health. Just be honest - you don't really care about the health of plus-size people, you find fat unappealing or unattractive and use the "Obesity is not healthy!" message to camouflage your disgust.
I think to some extent people that are a little overweight or have more flesh on their bones can be healthy, being overweight does not automatically mean you're unhealthy and being skinny or normal-weight does not automatically mean you're healthy. However, I noticed that so many media outlets and people try to normalize obesity, and I'm not talking about overweight, I am talking about severely overweight. If you can barely walk 2,000 steps a day, or if you can barely breathe when you go up the stairs, there's no way you are healthy sis. It is not natural and obviously interferes with your everyday life, since you can't do what you should be able to.
Lots of stores have been making their sizes bigger but not changing the number scale. I went to topshop yesterday and tried on a jumpsuit in the size 6 and it fit perfectly. When usually I fit a 10-12
I don't think so. Sizes are set sizes. They don't make them to be as small or label clothing as smaller sizes then the measurements actually are. It probably fit looser because it's a jumpsuit and because of the cut.
aegrbdzre No they literally changed sizes. I bought the same pair of jeans at H&M two times because the old one got...well old and the new pair whilst size 25 were wayyyy too big. Which is why I stopped buying at H&M. Also just look at the size guides on their webpages in some stores size XS is way bigger than others. Zara has way bigger XSs than Bershka for example. Trust me I've been living this nightmare for 20 years.
ak k I get that brands have varying differences when it comes to size I just don't think a brand would make their sizes larger within that same brand. Unless their sizes weren't as true to size that would probably be the only reason to increase size.
That's why I appreciate American eagle lately. I know they are fast fashion or whatever but they have been using models that are more average to almost plus size. And some are slim but not skinny. And at least for aerie they stopped retouching the photos too. It really makes you feel normal to scroll through and see these girls who are still beautiful but more relatable.
That’s kind of true, about advertising all body types rather than just one extreme or the other. I’m thick enough to where I fall in this strange in-between size. My waist isn’t that thick compared to my hips or bust so some normal range clothing (S/M/L) fit me but other times I have to go to the plus size section (XL-above) but I can never get that perfect fit
Well i'm from Chile, and an average chilean women it's very petite and chubby, but the big companies in here doesn't understand that. I'm not skinny, I'm a size M/ L, and when i go shopping all the items in that size and beyond are always sold out. Like Always. And it's the same with bras and cothing in general.
no, thank you for continuously posting interesting and humorous content! 🙆❤ you're totally right though, the fashion and modeling industry really needs more diversity in body types when it comes to average and plus sized clothing. if anything there should at least be more variety in height cuz the majority of ladies in the US aren't 5'10+
I agree fashion is a fantasy theres requirements and it's about selling the clothes. Brands should definitely makes cloths of different sizes but for advertising the clothes just looks better on a taller slimmer girl or guy
i just wish they’d make clothes for skinny small males i’m like 5’6 and like 103 so i’m skinny and a lot of the clothes i like are way to big on me and when i look online they’re still way too big once in a while i’ll find something good that i like but i wish they’d make clothes for EVERYONE
ok I personally blame the food industry in America. Everything is supersized, greasy, and has a lot of extra sugar. Now, if you're a big girl and feel confident in your skin then yes girl good for you, but a lot of people who are a 12+ size means that they are overweight, and for the most part not happy or confident. if you're overweight I'm sorry but that means you are not healthy and you should be taking care of your health and body. Obesity has become an epidemic in America, and once again I blame the food industry. No offense but adding 14+ sizes will only indulge our society to keep on eating the way we do. The food industry will keep on producing food that is harmful to ourselves and our environment. just keep in mind that even if you're 5'11 the maximum you should weight is about 180lbs thats a size 12 but a healthy size 12 because you're within you're a healthy weight for your size. Now most women in America are 5'5 weighing 220lbs+ when the maximum is 144lbs how does that make sense. I'mm not saying we should all be a size 2 thats impossible but I also don't think we should support something that will further cater our unhealthy eating habits.
I was offered an opportunity to model in a spring photo shoot for a local magazine with a girl I knew who was blonde as they wanted a brunette to shoot with her. I met with the woman directing the shoot and she was a lot taller than me and pretty thin (I’m not plus size nor the typical model size I’m an AU8) and she said she would get back to me about the first sort of trial shoot. The next day I was messaged by her and she said she had chosen someone else to model with her instead due to the ‘height issue’ as it may look weird to have a tall model and a short model. Unfortunately I know the other model and I know she is my height which only leaves me to believe it was size as the other model was very thin. 🤷🏻♀️ what can you do
Designing for people who are thin is just easier because it can be more generic. The change is, that it's beginning to seem "lazy" and that's a good thing.
Hautelamode - I'm still waiting for someone to start a haute couture line/house, specifically for plus (normal) size women. That shit would be revolutionary asf and head turning!! The fashion industry, just needs an up and coming designer, who is bold and creative enough to set this new trend standard. Just imagine on the cover of Vogue magazine: "Size 12+ is the new 4" 😎 *P. S. I love your content! Addictive and fashion relevant. Keep up the good work 💋💕*
It's hard for both ends. I'm super skinny and the only clothes that 'fit' me that aren't expensive are kids shirts and men's skinny jeans. My mom is plus sized and she has a really bad time finding clothes that fit well too.
I agree with what you said, we shouldn't fixate on one thing, but we should have representation for everyone and encourage people to be healthy rather than a specific body size. also, PLEASE ROAST MORE PEOPLE
I agree with u when u say a middle ground in modeling would be better...for my parte specially in terms of promoting a healthy weight... Always having in mind that there r naturally bigger n smaller constitutions, a beauty canon that promotes a middle ground could, i personally think, spare the mayority of people felling depressed about their bodies n also would lower the level of unhealthy or extreme practices that people resort to just to be like that "fantasy". I am my self sice 12 n on the soft side (need to bit the gym soon) and i cannot see my self represented by neither the skiny model not the plus size model...and they are all beautifull to me but i would just love to see clothing on women more close to my sice every now and then! Lets expand the " fantassy" from both sides and include the in between...
I tots agree x I’m British so I think the sizes are different here but when I shop online all sizes up to 16 are considered “normal” and size 18 upwards is plus size and you have to shop up a hole different category. And the girls who are in the sample photos under the size 16 they not size 16 there a size 4 but in the sample phots for 18 and upwards are size 24,28. It’s so so so true ! You either see one end of the spectrum or the other. Love how you brought this up x good luck with your study’s xxx love this and plz keep it up xxx
I think pushing the skinny and tall ideal isn't just about profiting in fashion but in all sorts of industries... Health, sports, dieting etc are different sectors that benefit from pushing those ideals because it sells their products for a dream that doesn't need to come to reality but people's admiration of those dreams makes those companies rich.... Idkthe fashion brands ofcourse don't think "yes im doing this for the benefit of other commercial industries" but those industries and their agenda does affect the way things are portrayed. Anyway i just thought this should be touched upon too even though the video is old maybe you'll see this and it'll give you other ideas for your content. Love your work, keep it up. Cheers! xoxo
Interesting that this conversation is always focused on women, and not men. I guess because its a given that any designer suit can be tailored to fit larger businessmen. Or just in general because fashion advertising is more female-based ?
I work for a high end jewelry company and my biggest criticism each season during launch is the visual merchandising especially around Mother's Day. I don't see me, my mother, or my friends in the campaign. My global counterparts say we are targeting the hip mom. 1st burn lol but I told them this is bullshit every mom would like to get up and look glamorous but some are lucky to brush their hair. Needless to say we haven't had great sales in years
Hi, I just wanted to say you're one of the few fashion vloggers out there I actually like - you are, in my opinion, very honest and brave to speak your mind to the world without giving a f*** about what those million $ companies would say. Also, great video. As a plus size woman, who loves clothes, I must say there is so very LITTLE diversity in our clothing. And I think it's sad because there is no choice at all, options are super limited or they follow the same concept of style, color, cuts, etc. And if designers let their imagination run wild, I think they can come up with a lot of new ideas for +size people. Yes, being obese or straight fat is not healthy, I feel it myself, and I am trying to win the battle all the time. I just don't understand why, while trying to lose weight, I should be forced to wear ugly clothing... I think you should be able to look great and try to lose weight at the same time. But now they very often seem mutually exclusive... Once again, great video!
I agree there should be fashionable clothes for size 10 women. But don't use them in fashion campaigns, because it's impossible for them to make the clothes look good. The whole idea of using thin models is to make us believe we'll look that slim when we wear those clothes. Plus size models just confront us with the harsh reality.
clothes dont look good on obese ppl, when you start getting into 12 and above we are talking about obesity level, like that is a serious health concern and these people should be wearing nothing but track suits and fucking walmart sweat pants til they get their shit together and lose that goddamn weight.fat shaming should be a thing, these ppl are living slovenly decadent slobbish existences and need to hold themselves to higher standards. You can just stuff your face all day and never work out and think thats acceptable. It's not and you NEED to be shamed into pulling it together. being obese is NOT OK nor is it beautiful so stop pushing it on us
Oh really? Well ill tell you what I do NOT need to work through.. a size 12.. I'm a 4 and I will never be a fat fuck because I work out and eat healthy. and so should everyone. ..yeah I'm the asshole because I want people to be healthy? Yeah that's being a dumb fuck isn't it... You're the idiot. You can't even substantiate why I'm supposedly dumb..
Dawn Johnson, there's a difference between being concerned for people's health and what you are doing. It's clear you dislike fat people. There is no reason to belittle a whole group of people just cause you think they should be living differently. Just know that not everyone grew up like you and/or have your same experiences. Yes, I agree that obese people should take better care of themselves, but I don't agree that the should only be allowed to wear 'track suits from Walmart.' Yes, obese are unhealthy, but they are still people. They should still be allowed to wear fashionable clothing made for them. Do you understand what I am saying? I just want to make sure my point comes across.
I realize I'm being super harsh, but obesity is a direct result of behavior: extreme laziness, disgusting eating habits and zero exercise. It's appalling. Alot of these people live off disability. Did you know that, they don't work and just eat all day and watch TV.. no not all of course. But I don't think they deserve cute clothing options til they lose some serious weight. Plus it's wasteful to try to make a silk shirt for a fat person and expect it not to be 4 times the cost.. it's 4 times the fabric. Yeah I dislike obese ppl, because they're everything I hate about society.
Fashion is supposed to make you dream, aspire. If you tend to be on the hefty side, there are also ways on how to deal with that. The idea of there's nothing else is to buy is rather false. If you will say there's not much to buy in higher end stores, that's probably true but at the same time, these high end brands target a market that has money. And usually if you have money, you'll try your best to take care of yourself whether get a trainer, get liposuction, get on Dr Cohen diet, paleo diet, etc etc etc. I mean if I was very overweight and have tons of money, I'll buy couture cause they'll adjust the size to you. I mean stores like JC Penney, Sears, etc etc sell clothes for bigger ladies. If you're turned off because it's JC Penney or Sears, maybe consider not being a snob. There's plenty of stores that cater to every woman size. It's a matter of state of mind if you want to get sucked in that brands should always have plus sizes. That will be too much cost if I owned that business especially let's say that I have a certain target market. Just to keep the quality will be harder especially if not many people will buy in the store let's say it usually is targeted to sizes 0 to 12. If you'll say bigger corporation brands like h&m can do it but then again it's a fast fashion brand and we all know the crimes that come with fast fashion. So where do you put the line of demarcation? For me, we have the liberty to buy in any brand or store we want. Plus one has to remember not because you're wearing Fendi, it means you're wearing it. Sometimes it wears you and i don't think that's a good thing at all. Makes you a real fashion victim not in a sense that you have no fashion styling skills but rather you just buy the brand because you've become a brand who're.
Just subscribed and watched soooo many of ur videos and I love them so much! I heard you mention that you study advertising at FIT, I'm gonna be attending this fall! are you an AMC major?
I also wish that there was more representation and realness with skin types. Not only does that mean seeing skins of different colors, but also of different textures. Things like acne and stretch marks are completely natural and many times nothing can be done except try to cover them up. I'm tired of skin shaming. I'm tired of seeing all these air brushed people when in reality their not as common as we pretend. Small skin issues are not a representation of your self care or your worth and I think we need to stop pretending like they are.
Simple really. I can tell you from experience-it looks better-who wants their product to look like junk. I am a fashion photographer and I can tell you from personal experience that a 5'11 size 2 photographs much easier and looks a lot better. All the other stuff (race, sexual preference) makes zero difference as long as you have a good look. In the end folks, the designers et al want their stuff to look good-they are selling a fantasy. I guess if they want to compete with Walmart they can put out another brand.
Is unhealthy to be too thin or too big. I'm sorry, but the fashion industry needs to promote health (in the last couple of years, models are looking healthier, not too skinny), not plus sizes or overweight models or people. To promote health issues is the problem here. Ashley Graham, for instance, has a beautifull face but her body... only a hypocrite will look at her and say she's healthy and that her legs or arms don't look desfigured because of the excess weight. I do battle against overweight and I don't think it's right, of course, to shame of mock someone for beiing fat, but I don't see her as inspirational whatsoever. I look at her and other plus size "models" and I immediately remember to eat less and be healthy. I'm not a doctor, but I'm almost certain that she or other plus size will suffer from overwight issues later.
sadly, I have a feeling high fashion will always use size 0-2 models because they feel that's who wears their clothes best and it would be more expensive to have more than one sample size. Also the industry has become so used to using very skinny girls and may not be open to change.
I couldn't agree more, plus, it's like we're tired of the lack of representation as you say and it's just enough. I want to see any body size, any skin tones (and it's not only about black/white models like, we don't have enough asian models, latinas models, native american models, transgender models, red headed models, indians models no wonder why "instagram models" are popular). We aren't a minority, asians aren't a minority, in fact it's a huge market, same for indians so even in the name of "the buyers are white females so that's why" isn't true, white females are used to see instagram models and watch movies with non white actress and it's not a choc. Things need to change in the fashion industry otherwise I don't see the point. Representation matter and as much as I like Gigi Hadid, even if she doesn't look like me, I could see an asian or indian model and not be choked, actually a brand with plus size models or "minorities" would stand out
Having a skinny body is a privilege in our society, being able to afford $1300 sweaters is also a privilege. It is all about exclusivity. If everyone could have it, it wouldn’t be desirable. Unfortunately that seems to be human nature. I love the idea of fashion because of the way it seems to subvert our notions of exclusivity and privilege by making us desire ugly things. It’s what makes it interesting. I love your content btw.
yup i would love to buy clothes that look good and are well made in my size but its a struggle (you usually get a choice of ugly pastels that are tent-like and paradoxically make you look more like a whale). more inclusivity rah rah!
Fat means laziness + bad eating and life habits. This is why nobody want to recognise negative behavior on attractive pics. Beside Nobody , Nobody buy clothes to seem like a fashion model , Mature individuals chose clothes following their needs and thinking about the social situations they need to face. Beside, Fashion Pictures are Visual Fairytales where we could watch a 16yo Natalia Vodianova in Nina Ricci ( or Rochas...) gown worth 40000 $ and accept it simply as a visual fantasy. 37yo Natalia Vodianova is not magical anymore.I don't know why but what I see looking at her pics - right now - is a Pretty , rich and powerful lady who married the heir of LVMC, who gave birth to a bunch of kids, very intelligent, very chic who's living the elite life but she's out in the REALITY not in the REALNESS... I'll explain you fashion with the choice of a very special model: Do you remember Gemma Ward? Gemma Ward thin in Alexander mc Queen such as the queen of chess? Do you remember Gemma Ward 2 y after wearing a bikini at Chanel when. yes . plump and becoming even bigger ( paparazzi: s pics...) a couple of months after Chanel? She rebelled the fashion world and she is since an outcast, even if - before - she was the most ideal fashion model ever. She cannot even use her magnificent face for fragrance or makeup adds only because she destroyed the collective fantasy, she destroyed our dream and nobody wants to forgive her. Even me because she was the ideal of my youth and she reminded me that I m not young anymore. Don't mess with fantasy. Nobody needs reality even watching at at a Azzedine or better , Lacroix gown....
whoa chill the fuck out, just because you think skinny tall people are magical doesnt mean that others dont think curvy juicy women are magical. also models don't exist to live their whole lives for YOUR fantasy so chill
It's really difficult for me to believe that 67% of American females are supposed to be a size 14 in order to be healthy. If people changed and many of them stopped being so obese (no matter HOW, make it more difficult to buy junk food), less people would have trouble finding clothes that fit them.
the kid I think if they did that for junk food, people would just make their own unhealthy homemade version...or they’d just pay more for the junk food.
I make clothes and one thought I've had is that if I made a size 8 dress, it tends to fit a pretty good majority of size 8 ladies. If I make a size 18 dress, it is harder for that one dress to fit as many size 18 ladies. Why?
Most ladies who are size 8 have smaller differences in ratios from breast, waist, hip and girth to each other. A size 8 dress may fall above, at or below the knees and may be a bit tight or loose along the breast, waist and hip area, but generally, they can squeeze in there. They are more or less kinda the same silheoutte.
But on size 18 ladies, there are vast differences as to breast, waist, hip and girth. One lady may have very little in the chest area and all booty and the one next to her may be a polar opposite. Two ladies may both have a size 38 waist, but one carries it in the front and the other more equally distributed. The shifts in where the weight lies are VERY varied as opposed to the smaller sizes where differences between ladies of the same size are not as great.
As a result, the number of potential buyers for any single dress will be higher for the smaller sized ladies since it will fit correctly on more ladies, than any single dress design for larger size ladies.
Does that make sense?
Curandera99 I completely agree with what you just said,and i thought of the exact same thing.My friend is heavy and when we go shopping together it is so hard for her to find clothes.She weights 240 pounds and she is 5foot5.I weight 140 pounds and I'm also 5foot5.But the weird thing is i wear size 7-9 pants and she wears size 1-3 pants.Her leggs and butt are soo small compared to mine but where she carries her weight it is all at the top.So for her to find a dress it is a nightmare!The thing is it all depends where you carrie your weight so thats why it is harder for plus size women to find clothes because even if you have the same weight as somebody else doesn't mean you are the same shape.I really wish tho that stores and designers would make a bigger effort in trying to include everybody even if that means more work.
someone said it!!!!
You beat me to it. I don't make clothes, but I have done it so I understand the challenges involved.
Thank you SOOO much for this! You're post is the first I've seen that ACTUALLY EXPLAINS what and why a sample size is. I was so excited to finally understand that I just ran out into my living room to explain it to my husband too. Thank you!
I agree with everything you say. Models don't need to be 'fat' to promote different body types. People in the middle- like sizes 4 to 8- are probably the healthiest but are very rarely shown in fashion commercials.
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I used to love fashion; I would read every magazine, I would go shopping every week, meticulously put together outfits.
Due to a serious illness and an intense steroid plan, I gained about 80 pounds several years ago and hit a size 14 and since then my love for fashion has completely disappeared. I wear sweats at every opportunity and avoid shopping at all costs. Representation matters, feeling welcome in a store matters, knowing you can find your size in a store absolutely matters. I hope that I can fall back in love with fashion one day- it sucks to have something you loved be so impossible to enjoy.
I'm size 12/14 and going into the fashion industry to hopefully make a plus size brand that's more high fashion
JizelleMeetsWorld Ugh yes girl
yesss, I would love to see more of that!
I am 5'2.5, size 8-10 and it's really hard to find (mostly) jeans that fit good I don't even wanna think how hard is to everyone that is 12-14 or 16, or even more. It's really unfair that high fashion forgets that not everyone is size XS.
Ciellistium I'm the same height too and a little bigger and I know the struggle.
I think the fantasy of being skinny tall and white is ironically the thing hurting the brands. As a person who's on the chubbier side, pretty busty and pretty short I don't relate whatsoever to those models running around. There's nothing about those models that feel relatable or like a better version of myself. In an ad, when there's such a limited amount of time, appearance is really the only thing a company has to establish a connection to the consumer. When people who look like me aren't represented, I don't feel envious; I'm just not interested in buying what they have to sell.
I just don't understand why there has to be a separate part of a store with completely different clothes when it comes to plus size clothing, like why can't there be cute clothing and it be just another size w the rest of the clothes. Like s, m, l, xl, 2x etc. I don't shop in the plus size section but I am a size L and it sucks to see this is how plus size clothing/modeling is treated
hopelovestyler It's like segregation
hopelovestyler because the bigger sizes are unhealthy and models are supposed to be hangers for clothes that's why they're so skinny
Bullshit. Starving when you are not a child and not meant to be built like one is even MORE unhealthy and that saw about models being "hangers" has been used as an excuse for too long. We are all "healthy" as we are...and HAPPY leads to HEALTHY too.
I hate the way they do this in department stores! It feels like they're shaming larger sizes. But! I am a fashion design student and from technical sewing experience, I've found that if I sew something for a size 8, I can't just up the seam allowance to make it fit a 14. It will not fit well! It's important to make beautiful clothing that plus sizes will also feel good in. Sometimes they have to do completely different designs from small to plus.
Isnt it, that if someone is really big, maybe they dont want to show as much of their body? I mean if i gain five pounds, i dont want to wear bodycon anymore.
I have been marathoning your videos; they're so interesting! I love how honest you are and how you can look at a topic from many angles + you're speaking style is to the point and never boring! I really agree with your opinions and can't wait to see more. Also I didn't know you went to FIT!! I'll be there in the fall and can't wait. Keep up the great content!
Hmm. I'm not sure. The honest question is how many rich fat women do you see? You see rich fat men but as soon as a woman becomes rich she's spending her money on expensive personal trainers and surgeons. Any woman who has the money to drop on a 2k dollars dress also has money to drop on liposuction as well, which they tend to do; and it's that simple. Why would companies that sell dresses for 1.7k waste their money on advertising and diversifying their fashion brand to women who cannot even afford their dresses when they know that most of the rich and established women who can afford them tend to be thin? The reality is that designers do not want their clothes to be easily accessible.
This is why designers mark their bags up to 3k when they no normal person can afford them. When these bags were cheaper and ended up in the hands of many in the situations of knock-offs, you wouldn't always question a knock-off if you thought that someone might have been able to afford $400 on a designer bag. When a bag is $4k and you see a normal person with it, you know it's a knock-off. Designers WANT their pieces to be exclusive. If these designers wanted their bags or dresses to be on everyone they'd make it easy for everyone to attain (which would diminish quality but thats an entirely other story), but the reality is that most brands don't WANT fat, poor, non-white people in their clothes. They're upholding a standard associated with bureaucracy. It's sad but true. Fashion doesn't need to be defended in this case.
With fashion it's about exclusivity. To those in the comments talking about the lack size diversity, how many of you would be able to afford full priced Balmain? And I'm not saying that in a cheeky way, I'm saying this in a realism way. Fashion's philosophy all around is about keeping it in the hands of the few. If being fat was associated with wealth in addition to it being considered a rarity, as it is in some countries, fashion would cater to fat people the most.
sydnieraquel waooo genious
Totally agree
What a narrow-minded and awefully specific way of thinking. There are also other brands that aren't luxury ones, why not talk about them making a move for plus sized people?
I love the aerie ad campaigns because they have people of all body types ❤
What we really need to know is the body measurements that each garment for sale is designed to fit. And the clothing manufacturers should widely publish the body measurements that each size is designed to fit.
Fat women aren't buying nice clothes for two reasons: Firstly, a large number of them are literally being told by those ads that the only way to look pretty is to be skinny, not to dress well. This created a sort of rift between the industry and larger women. For skinny women, the ads are encouraging them to buy nice clothes. For fat women, the ads are saying "you'll never look like this, no matter what you wear". This causes a lot of fat women to literally not care/not want to try and dress well because they're told that's not the key to looking pretty or hot, the key is being skinny.
The second issue is the sizes. The fat women I know who are actually trying to be fashionable tend to buy their clothes from indie brands/thrift shops/make the clothes themselves because of the lack of sizes offered by mainstream brands. Even when a big brand provides all the sizes, the clothes just aren't designed to work on larger bodies. Not only are there no sizes and the clothes aren't designed for fat women, but fat women also don't have the same access to the fashion world as skinny women do. Skinny women grow up reading magazines telling them how to dress, what make-up to wear, what accessories to match with their look, etc. and most of those tips don't work for someone who is fat.
Basically, the fashion industry has been actively alienating a large group of potential customers (more than half of all women) just because they can't be arsed to try and appeal to a more diverse base. If we also take into account the lack of racial diversity, the lack of environmental awareness and other serious issues within the industry, it's pretty easy to see why it's a complete mess at this point. Society is moving forwards and the fashion industry is just consistently failing to follow suit. Either it gets its shit together ASAP or we're going to see the death and rebirth of an entire industry during our generation. I'm not even sure which one I'd rather, to be honest.
Nailed it! I love you.
For campaigns, covers, editorials YES!! But for runways NO. Designers do not have the enough time or money to make a dress in many different sizes. If they try to make it happen they can't make 3 collections in a year.
Well obviously. In general models look most alike when supper slim. So that is that.
They could make one size but not so thin. Why not have a healthier size.
That's bullshit the perception is the clothes lay better on stick thin model. They literally want them to be walking hangers but everyone knows what looks good on a hanger doesn't always look good on
*Ari W*
Soooooo?
What are you trying to say?
I heard about the "walking hangers" thing in the past btw.
the one size they mostly use is 36. 36 and 38 are healthy sizes (one could argue the healthiest). if a model looks like a "hanger" that's probably because she's below the size, like a 34 or even 32. also, when you're super tall you're usually skinny as well
Talk about the celebrities who went to Coachella and their outfits
YES
yess.. so many amazing looks. & terrible looks lmao
I mean it's easier to make clothes for slim people, because skinny people look kinda the same I mean when you measure them whereas fat people store their fat in different places, someone can have big thighs and someone can be overall skinny but be fat on the face and the stomach so it's harder to dress those people....
About that... I'm a size 0 and there is nothing to buy. Some countries have made my size illegal to sell - and that's prejudice at it's best . I'm not anorexic, I'm just 5'5' and have no hips. Never could I find a dress that fits me, and all my jeans look baggy until I tailor the shit out of them. The reason models are skinny is because they are a sample size. Skinny looks about the same, while there are many types of plus size bodies - bigger hips, bigger tummy, broader shoulders... So it's easier to just use skinny models. Just stop comparing yourself to models, because their look is their job. Also I think fashion should include more athletic bodies and quit the plus size crap all together, just find a healthier sample size maybe. It is not fashion industry's job to work on your self esteem, that's your job. I wonder what would happen If they made size 16 illegal, as they did with my size.
Andjela Birkin oh my god me too!! Finally someone else said it! I'm also only 1,60m and have odd proportions.
Same! And I completely agree
Models are just walking mannequins/hangers. Designers want their clothes on skinny hangers. As haute couture and higher end fashion go bigger sizes mean more work, more expensive fabric, etc etc. also if a designer does a campaign with larger models no one is going to pay attention to the clothes all eyes will be on the model.
but thats a western cultural thing with their fashion industry. clothes can also look good clinging a woman w a voluminous shape and curves
I don’t think everyone needs to be a size zero but people also need to take care of themselves
A line of clothing based on body type would be nice. Skinny or not we all have a different body shape!
oh yes like hip waist and bust size.
Love your fashion content, it's very refreshing. The issue of size in fashion as you said is this idea of fantasy, and how we are accustomed to associating slender, hourglass figure as something to aspire to. I'm wondering though if it is what we biologically thrives for, or is the tv/media conditioning us to have these almost impossible desires (etc. Teenagers getting anorexia bc of seeing models in magazine)
Enough of this, if anything all industries should be promoting healthy lifestyle. 14 is definitely FAT and THEN SOME. I am so offended with this "I'm big", no, you're not big, you're overeating on crap! Being over weight introduces all sorts of health risks. And I'm not saying being fat is ugly, many people look so much better when fat as opposed to skinny, but being overweight should never be considered a default.
Yeah but you see for some being size 14 isn’t really a choice and when they force themselves to become smaller and thinner, THAT becomes unhealthy. The entire standardisation of sizes by numbers like 6,8, 14 is a very Western world concept and can’t be applied to all ethnicities. So saying being size 14 is the same as being fat is kinda incorrect.
You should do plus size fashion tips as well!!!!!
please roast coachella style !
Personally, I think it is ok to keep the thin models in commercials and shows to lure in the customers. BUT just make bigger sizes too :) As a plus size girl, I don't mind skinny models and it definitely would make me buy things from them more just as you explained - just make the bigger sizes, it's ok!
No it is not, I'm not into slim people AT ALL. But this thing "size" is a joke, we need to realize it is height, and body shape. You can be tall and slim and still have very wide hips, or shoulders, or a small head, big head, long arms... the list is endless. And not everyone puts on muscles or fat in the exact same proportion. First brand that starts to actually write down for what shape the garment is made for will sell shit tons of stuff because you won't need to try on so many garments that don't look good on you.
Most of the time, i don't love buying clothes that are shown on super thin models because I know it'll look different on my body and I don't wanna take the risk.
Its funny how in germany (where i live) i mostly git in Large to Extra Large, when i bought a dress in the US i literally fit into a Small to Medium.
I run a small Etsy shop where I sell customized denim pieces that I thrift and I always try to include plus sizes whenever I can but I wish I knew some plus size girls who would be willing to model for me 😭 idk anyone irl whose bigger and confident enough - cause we never see any real plus size representation so plus size girls are afraid they’ll get made fun of for modeling
I agree with the idea of models being beautifull and everybodys dream BUT i do not like when people think beautifull is equal to skinny and tall. Every size can be beautifull ( + and normal ) Love you btw x
not true. obesity is not beautiful and promoting it is not cute and empowering. loving yourself and making and effort to at least be a healthy size is what you should make you feel empowered and proud.
Medee you’re saying that fat people can’t love themselves because they’re fat? so self-love is only exclusively to thinner people?
No I'm not saying that, but it's actions that show you love yourself not words. I'm by no means saying that only skinny people love themselves and are beautiful, that's not true, but when you're obese and obviously eating yourself to death and you choose to say "well fuck it, I'm going to keep doing that because I love myself", no, that's not self love that's doing the worst possible thing to your body and yourself.
+Medee I'm so tired of this fat=unhealthy story. It's simply not true ALL the time. I work in a hospital and I have seen plenty of slim/skinny people suffer from 'obesity-related' illnesses, ranging from heart disease to stroke. I also know overweight people who exercise and eat well much of the time. No one, apart from a person's personal physician, can comment on someone's weight and its relationship to their health. Just be honest - you don't really care about the health of plus-size people, you find fat unappealing or unattractive and use the "Obesity is not healthy!" message to camouflage your disgust.
I think to some extent people that are a little overweight or have more flesh on their bones can be healthy, being overweight does not automatically mean you're unhealthy and being skinny or normal-weight does not automatically mean you're healthy. However, I noticed that so many media outlets and people try to normalize obesity, and I'm not talking about overweight, I am talking about severely overweight. If you can barely walk 2,000 steps a day, or if you can barely breathe when you go up the stairs, there's no way you are healthy sis. It is not natural and obviously interferes with your everyday life, since you can't do what you should be able to.
talk about the modelling industry
Lots of stores have been making their sizes bigger but not changing the number scale. I went to topshop yesterday and tried on a jumpsuit in the size 6 and it fit perfectly. When usually I fit a 10-12
Oh my god I hate that. I have such a hard time finding clothes because because I'm super skinny.
I don't think so. Sizes are set sizes. They don't make them to be as small or label clothing as smaller sizes then the measurements actually are. It probably fit looser because it's a jumpsuit and because of the cut.
They shouldn't make sizing larger they just need to have more sizes available.
aegrbdzre No they literally changed sizes. I bought the same pair of jeans at H&M two times because the old one got...well old and the new pair whilst size 25 were wayyyy too big. Which is why I stopped buying at H&M. Also just look at the size guides on their webpages in some stores size XS is way bigger than others. Zara has way bigger XSs than Bershka for example. Trust me I've been living this nightmare for 20 years.
ak k I get that brands have varying differences when it comes to size I just don't think a brand would make their sizes larger within that same brand. Unless their sizes weren't as true to size that would probably be the only reason to increase size.
idk. Being too skinny or too fat isn't good for your health. I think that's pretty important to think about.
That's why I appreciate American eagle lately. I know they are fast fashion or whatever but they have been using models that are more average to almost plus size. And some are slim but not skinny. And at least for aerie they stopped retouching the photos too. It really makes you feel normal to scroll through and see these girls who are still beautiful but more relatable.
That’s kind of true, about advertising all body types rather than just one extreme or the other. I’m thick enough to where I fall in this strange in-between size. My waist isn’t that thick compared to my hips or bust so some normal range clothing (S/M/L) fit me but other times I have to go to the plus size section (XL-above) but I can never get that perfect fit
Well i'm from Chile, and an average chilean women it's very petite and chubby, but the big companies in here doesn't understand that. I'm not skinny, I'm a size M/ L, and when i go shopping all the items in that size and beyond are always sold out. Like Always.
And it's the same with bras and cothing in general.
no, thank you for continuously posting interesting and humorous content! 🙆❤
you're totally right though, the fashion and modeling industry really needs more diversity in body types when it comes to average and plus sized clothing. if anything there should at least be more variety in height cuz the majority of ladies in the US aren't 5'10+
I agree fashion is a fantasy theres requirements and it's about selling the clothes. Brands should definitely makes cloths of different sizes but for advertising the clothes just looks better on a taller slimmer girl or guy
i just wish they’d make clothes for skinny small males i’m like 5’6 and like 103 so i’m skinny and a lot of the clothes i like are way to big on me and when i look online they’re still way too big once in a while i’ll find something good that i like but i wish they’d make clothes for EVERYONE
ok I personally blame the food industry in America. Everything is supersized, greasy, and has a lot of extra sugar. Now, if you're a big girl and feel confident in your skin then yes girl good for you, but a lot of people who are a 12+ size means that they are overweight, and for the most part not happy or confident. if you're overweight I'm sorry but that means you are not healthy and you should be taking care of your health and body. Obesity has become an epidemic in America, and once again I blame the food industry. No offense but adding 14+ sizes will only indulge our society to keep on eating the way we do. The food industry will keep on producing food that is harmful to ourselves and our environment. just keep in mind that even if you're 5'11 the maximum you should weight is about 180lbs thats a size 12 but a healthy size 12 because you're within you're a healthy weight for your size. Now most women in America are 5'5 weighing 220lbs+ when the maximum is 144lbs how does that make sense. I'mm not saying we should all be a size 2 thats impossible but I also don't think we should support something that will further cater our unhealthy eating habits.
I was offered an opportunity to model in a spring photo shoot for a local magazine with a girl I knew who was blonde as they wanted a brunette to shoot with her. I met with the woman directing the shoot and she was a lot taller than me and pretty thin (I’m not plus size nor the typical model size I’m an AU8) and she said she would get back to me about the first sort of trial shoot. The next day I was messaged by her and she said she had chosen someone else to model with her instead due to the ‘height issue’ as it may look weird to have a tall model and a short model. Unfortunately I know the other model and I know she is my height which only leaves me to believe it was size as the other model was very thin. 🤷🏻♀️ what can you do
Designing for people who are thin is just easier because it can be more generic. The change is, that it's beginning to seem "lazy" and that's a good thing.
Fashion Model's Visual Is Unattainable And Unrealistic For Everyday Women
Thick gurls Rock too....We need to stop this exclusion shit
Hautelamode - I'm still waiting for someone to start a haute couture line/house, specifically for plus (normal) size women. That shit would be revolutionary asf and head turning!!
The fashion industry, just needs an up and coming designer, who is bold and creative enough to set this new trend standard. Just imagine on the cover of Vogue magazine: "Size 12+ is the new 4" 😎
*P. S. I love your content! Addictive and fashion relevant. Keep up the good work 💋💕*
Why is his hair legit in his eyes
because it looks cute and artsy.
It's hard for both ends. I'm super skinny and the only clothes that 'fit' me that aren't expensive are kids shirts and men's skinny jeans. My mom is plus sized and she has a really bad time finding clothes that fit well too.
I agree with what you said, we shouldn't fixate on one thing, but we should have representation for everyone and encourage people to be healthy rather than a specific body size. also, PLEASE ROAST MORE PEOPLE
The fashion industry needs to step it up! Not everyone is a size 0 we are all shapes and sizes. Represent!
I agree with your point on avoiding extremes bc they don't rep real life.
I agree with u when u say a middle ground in modeling would be better...for my parte specially in terms of promoting a healthy weight... Always having in mind that there r naturally bigger n smaller constitutions, a beauty canon that promotes a middle ground could, i personally think, spare the mayority of people felling depressed about their bodies n also would lower the level of unhealthy or extreme practices that people resort to just to be like that "fantasy". I am my self sice 12 n on the soft side (need to bit the gym soon) and i cannot see my self represented by neither the skiny model not the plus size model...and they are all beautifull to me but i would just love to see clothing on women more close to my sice every now and then! Lets expand the " fantassy" from both sides and include the in between...
I tots agree x I’m British so I think the sizes are different here but when I shop online all sizes up to 16 are considered “normal” and size 18 upwards is plus size and you have to shop up a hole different category. And the girls who are in the sample photos under the size 16 they not size 16 there a size 4 but in the sample phots for 18 and upwards are size 24,28. It’s so so so true ! You either see one end of the spectrum or the other. Love how you brought this up x good luck with your study’s xxx love this and plz keep it up xxx
Everyone has a chance to be unique.
Yes.in South Africa too women are generally big.
I think pushing the skinny and tall ideal isn't just about profiting in fashion but in all sorts of industries... Health, sports, dieting etc are different sectors that benefit from pushing those ideals because it sells their products for a dream that doesn't need to come to reality but people's admiration of those dreams makes those companies rich.... Idkthe fashion brands ofcourse don't think "yes im doing this for the benefit of other commercial industries" but those industries and their agenda does affect the way things are portrayed.
Anyway i just thought this should be touched upon too even though the video is old maybe you'll see this and it'll give you other ideas for your content.
Love your work, keep it up. Cheers! xoxo
Love the idea of not going extreme. Don't be sad though!
Interesting that this conversation is always focused on women, and not men. I guess because its a given that any designer suit can be tailored to fit larger businessmen. Or just in general because fashion advertising is more female-based ?
I work for a high end jewelry company and my biggest criticism each season during launch is the visual merchandising especially around Mother's Day. I don't see me, my mother, or my friends in the campaign. My global counterparts say we are targeting the hip mom. 1st burn lol but I told them this is bullshit every mom would like to get up and look glamorous but some are lucky to brush their hair. Needless to say we haven't had great sales in years
Hi, I just wanted to say you're one of the few fashion vloggers out there I actually like - you are, in my opinion, very honest and brave to speak your mind to the world without giving a f*** about what those million $ companies would say. Also, great video. As a plus size woman, who loves clothes, I must say there is so very LITTLE diversity in our clothing. And I think it's sad because there is no choice at all, options are super limited or they follow the same concept of style, color, cuts, etc. And if designers let their imagination run wild, I think they can come up with a lot of new ideas for +size people. Yes, being obese or straight fat is not healthy, I feel it myself, and I am trying to win the battle all the time. I just don't understand why, while trying to lose weight, I should be forced to wear ugly clothing... I think you should be able to look great and try to lose weight at the same time. But now they very often seem mutually exclusive...
Once again, great video!
I agree there should be fashionable clothes for size 10 women. But don't use them in fashion campaigns, because it's impossible for them to make the clothes look good. The whole idea of using thin models is to make us believe we'll look that slim when we wear those clothes. Plus size models just confront us with the harsh reality.
I'm pretty big size 15/16 lols but I still try to look nice whenever I can.
clothes dont look good on obese ppl, when you start getting into 12 and above we are talking about obesity level, like that is a serious health concern and these people should be wearing nothing but track suits and fucking walmart sweat pants til they get their shit together and lose that goddamn weight.fat shaming should be a thing, these ppl are living slovenly decadent slobbish existences and need to hold themselves to higher standards. You can just stuff your face all day and never work out and think thats acceptable. It's not and you NEED to be shamed into pulling it together. being obese is NOT OK nor is it beautiful so stop pushing it on us
Dawn Johnson, dude you have some issues that you need to work through
Dawn is a dumb fuck
Oh really? Well ill tell you what I do NOT need to work through.. a size 12.. I'm a 4 and I will never be a fat fuck because I work out and eat healthy. and so should everyone. ..yeah I'm the asshole because I want people to be healthy? Yeah that's being a dumb fuck isn't it... You're the idiot. You can't even substantiate why I'm supposedly dumb..
Dawn Johnson, there's a difference between being concerned for people's health and what you are doing. It's clear you dislike fat people. There is no reason to belittle a whole group of people just cause you think they should be living differently. Just know that not everyone grew up like you and/or have your same experiences. Yes, I agree that obese people should take better care of themselves, but I don't agree that the should only be allowed to wear 'track suits from Walmart.' Yes, obese are unhealthy, but they are still people. They should still be allowed to wear fashionable clothing made for them.
Do you understand what I am saying? I just want to make sure my point comes across.
I realize I'm being super harsh, but obesity is a direct result of behavior: extreme laziness, disgusting eating habits and zero exercise. It's appalling. Alot of these people live off disability. Did you know that, they don't work and just eat all day and watch TV.. no not all of course. But I don't think they deserve cute clothing options til they lose some serious weight. Plus it's wasteful to try to make a silk shirt for a fat person and expect it not to be 4 times the cost.. it's 4 times the fabric. Yeah I dislike obese ppl, because they're everything I hate about society.
Fashion is supposed to make you dream, aspire. If you tend to be on the hefty side, there are also ways on how to deal with that. The idea of there's nothing else is to buy is rather false. If you will say there's not much to buy in higher end stores, that's probably true but at the same time, these high end brands target a market that has money. And usually if you have money, you'll try your best to take care of yourself whether get a trainer, get liposuction, get on Dr Cohen diet, paleo diet, etc etc etc. I mean if I was very overweight and have tons of money, I'll buy couture cause they'll adjust the size to you. I mean stores like JC Penney, Sears, etc etc sell clothes for bigger ladies. If you're turned off because it's JC Penney or Sears, maybe consider not being a snob. There's plenty of stores that cater to every woman size. It's a matter of state of mind if you want to get sucked in that brands should always have plus sizes. That will be too much cost if I owned that business especially let's say that I have a certain target market. Just to keep the quality will be harder especially if not many people will buy in the store let's say it usually is targeted to sizes 0 to 12. If you'll say bigger corporation brands like h&m can do it but then again it's a fast fashion brand and we all know the crimes that come with fast fashion. So where do you put the line of demarcation? For me, we have the liberty to buy in any brand or store we want. Plus one has to remember not because you're wearing Fendi, it means you're wearing it. Sometimes it wears you and i don't think that's a good thing at all. Makes you a real fashion victim not in a sense that you have no fashion styling skills but rather you just buy the brand because you've become a brand who're.
And would about skinny (size 0) bottom heavy but not amazon-tall?
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Great job
We definitely need more diversity in fashion
I completely agree. love this video you explain everything so well wow
They don’t promote the average body. At all.
I haven't even started the video but I'm dying for him to roast scammy tess holiday
Love the ROASTS!!! You are funny.
I could not agree more 🙌🏾
I also wish that there was more representation and realness with skin types. Not only does that mean seeing skins of different colors, but also of different textures. Things like acne and stretch marks are completely natural and many times nothing can be done except try to cover them up. I'm tired of skin shaming. I'm tired of seeing all these air brushed people when in reality their not as common as we pretend. Small skin issues are not a representation of your self care or your worth and I think we need to stop pretending like they are.
Simple really. I can tell you from experience-it looks better-who wants their product to look like junk. I am a fashion photographer and I can tell you from personal experience that a 5'11 size 2 photographs much easier and looks a lot better. All the other stuff (race, sexual preference) makes zero difference as long as you have a good look. In the end folks, the designers et al want their stuff to look good-they are selling a fantasy. I guess if they want to compete with Walmart they can put out another brand.
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Is unhealthy to be too thin or too big. I'm sorry, but the fashion industry needs to promote health (in the last couple of years, models are looking healthier, not too skinny), not plus sizes or overweight models or people. To promote health issues is the problem here. Ashley Graham, for instance, has a beautifull face but her body... only a hypocrite will look at her and say she's healthy and that her legs or arms don't look desfigured because of the excess weight. I do battle against overweight and I don't think it's right, of course, to shame of mock someone for beiing fat, but I don't see her as inspirational whatsoever. I look at her and other plus size "models" and I immediately remember to eat less and be healthy. I'm not a doctor, but I'm almost certain that she or other plus size will suffer from overwight issues later.
sadly, I have a feeling high fashion will always use size 0-2 models because they feel that's who wears their clothes best and it would be more expensive to have more than one sample size. Also the industry has become so used to using very skinny girls and may not be open to change.
I couldn't agree more, plus, it's like we're tired of the lack of representation as you say and it's just enough. I want to see any body size, any skin tones (and it's not only about black/white models like, we don't have enough asian models, latinas models, native american models, transgender models, red headed models, indians models no wonder why "instagram models" are popular). We aren't a minority, asians aren't a minority, in fact it's a huge market, same for indians so even in the name of "the buyers are white females so that's why" isn't true, white females are used to see instagram models and watch movies with non white actress and it's not a choc.
Things need to change in the fashion industry otherwise I don't see the point. Representation matter and as much as I like Gigi Hadid, even if she doesn't look like me, I could see an asian or indian model and not be choked, actually a brand with plus size models or "minorities" would stand out
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Having a skinny body is a privilege in our society, being able to afford $1300 sweaters is also a privilege. It is all about exclusivity. If everyone could have it, it wouldn’t be desirable. Unfortunately that seems to be human nature. I love the idea of fashion because of the way it seems to subvert our notions of exclusivity and privilege by making us desire ugly things. It’s what makes it interesting. I love your content btw.
We shouldn't encourage being fat....i think we should shame it to a degree. We are obese. Accept it. It's not okay.
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+ size kids big no no parents have to care about it
I like! Keep it up!
Fat is good, Obesity isn't.
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the fashion roast of coachella pls
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yup i would love to buy clothes that look good and are well made in my size but its a struggle (you usually get a choice of ugly pastels that are tent-like and paradoxically make you look more like a whale). more inclusivity rah rah!
its sad you take the first thing that looks half descent and you’re ‘happy’
6:15 and thanks for saying that.
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Fat means laziness + bad eating and life habits.
This is why nobody want to recognise negative behavior on attractive pics.
Beside Nobody , Nobody buy clothes to seem like a fashion model , Mature individuals chose clothes following their needs and thinking about the social situations they need to face. Beside, Fashion Pictures are Visual Fairytales where we could watch a 16yo Natalia Vodianova in Nina Ricci ( or Rochas...) gown worth 40000 $ and accept it simply as a visual fantasy. 37yo Natalia Vodianova is not magical anymore.I don't know why but what I see looking at her pics - right now - is a Pretty , rich and powerful lady who married the heir of LVMC, who gave birth to a bunch of kids, very intelligent, very chic who's living the elite life but she's out in the REALITY not in the REALNESS... I'll explain you fashion with the choice of a very special model: Do you remember Gemma Ward? Gemma Ward thin in Alexander mc Queen such as the queen of chess?
Do you remember Gemma Ward 2 y after wearing a bikini at Chanel when. yes . plump and becoming even bigger ( paparazzi: s pics...) a couple of months after Chanel? She rebelled the fashion world and she is since an outcast, even if - before - she was the most ideal fashion model ever. She cannot even use her magnificent face for fragrance or makeup adds only because she destroyed the collective fantasy, she destroyed our dream and nobody wants to forgive her. Even me because she was the ideal of my youth and she reminded me that I m not young anymore. Don't mess with fantasy. Nobody needs reality even watching at at a Azzedine or better , Lacroix gown....
whoa chill the fuck out, just because you think skinny tall people are magical doesnt mean that others dont think curvy juicy women are magical. also models don't exist to live their whole lives for YOUR fantasy so chill
You need to grow up and realize this is reality and we aren’t living in a fantasy.
I agree this is coming from a use to be size 18 now size 10/12. People need to get a grip being fat is not cute.
It's really difficult for me to believe that 67% of American females are supposed to be a size 14 in order to be healthy.
If people changed and many of them stopped being so obese (no matter HOW, make it more difficult to buy junk food), less people would have trouble finding clothes that fit them.
pheurangtchi975 so are you saying people should diet or food and drink companies should raise prices so some people can starve and dehydrate?
Janelle Gardner I think they’re talking about food and drinks that are bad for you like chips, sweets and soda
the kid I think if they did that for junk food, people would just make their own unhealthy homemade version...or they’d just pay more for the junk food.
Hello liked your video and i'm looking for fashion for the curvy and over 40 any advice